Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
Hi, the discussion is coming up from time to time. This is a good overview. My additions to Julien inline == Keep Firefox == + Firefox is well-known + Well maintained upstream and on Ubuntu + Many features + supported in many languages - Slow on startup - Memory usage ? Rendering seems slower == Switch to Midori == + Small and fast + Memory usage - Upstream active but with limited developers compared to the 2 others. - Features limited - problems with rendering some web pages == Switch to Chromium == + Similar to Chrome, which begin to be well-known + Good interface for small screen + Upstream active, supported by Google +- Firefox have still more possibility and features than Chromium ? Maybe be maintained by Mobile Team ? Private data send ? Privacy is a real issue. There is an alternative see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron David Sugar mentioned one time, that the Chromium maintainers might look into it. Now, that Canonical is changing to Yahoo as its standard search engine is the team also looking into this aspect? Google would still get information about what people search with Yahoo or Bing even when Google is not the standard search engine. - Mario ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] i could help translating
hi, my name is jo gerb. i joined your team and id like to help. i could translate lubuntu into german, and i also could aid you with the design. have a nice day, jo -- This message was sent from Launchpad by the user yo_yoh (https://launchpad.net/~yo-yoh) using the Contact this team link on the Lubuntu team page. For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
Hi, Firefox has its good points. But packed with lots of plugins it also sucks at memory usage. So Chromium +1 , because: + FAST (I mean really fast, the time I start firefox the same time, I open almost 10 Tabs within chromium) + Stable (Thirdparty plugins, like JAVA and Flash don't bring the browser down if(when) crashing) + Lots of extensions (not comparable to firefox but far better than midori or arora) + You don't need to make google the default search engine, to call this browser chromium (see firefox: can only be called firefox, if search engine is google and we don't touch the default profile, thats insane) + html5 youtube+veoh (x264) is working quite well with codecs installed - Chromium misses SSL encryption in the linux version still, so https sites without certificate - html5 ogg theora playback seems to be broken since quite a few builds So we need to make a choice: Firefox (slow but low memory usage) OR Chromium (blazing fast and a little more memory usage) ? I am definitely for Chromium Regards, Leszek Lesner On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:23:47 +0100 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, Many people complained about the choice of Firefox on Lubuntu. It's time to discuss it, to see if it's useful to change for another one. I can see 3 possibles choices : == Keep Firefox == + Firefox is well-known + Well maintained upstream and on Ubuntu + Many features - Slow on startup - Memory usage ? Rendering seems slower == Switch to Midori == + Small and fast + Memory usage - Upstream active but with limited developers compared to the 2 others. - Features limited == Switch to Chromium == + Similar to Chrome, which begin to be well-known + Good interface for small screen + Upstream active, supported by Google +- Firefox have still more possibility and features than Chromium ? Maybe be maintained by Mobile Team ? Private data send ? This is a quick benchmark I made, to have a quick view of performance for those 3 browsers. Startup : time to startup Memory 1 : Memory with google.com, wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu and gmail.com connected. Memory 2 : Same that 1 + 5 ubuntu.com pages Memory 3 : Closing all the pages except google.com . . Firefox .Midori . Chromium Startup 3.4s1.8s1.5s Memory using Xfce task manager . . Firefox . Midori .Chromium Memory 1 70Mo33Mo28Mo Memory 2 83Mo78Mo33Mo Memory 3 58Mo45Mo32Mo Memory using about:memory of Chromium . . Firefox . Midori .Chromium Memory 1 70Mo21Mo18Mo Memory 2 91Mo72Mo18Mo Memory 3 50Mo38Mo18Mo == Others choice == * Opera: Closed source. * Aurora: I can't see any advantage over Midori, with QT depends. * Epiphany: Too much GNOME depends. For now, I'm more for the Chromium option. Midori is nice, but I don't think we will have enough time to test and maintain it correctly. I'm interesting to have user experience with those browser on low ressources computers. If you are running Lucid, you can install them from official repository, and play with them :) Regards, Juline Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] i could help translating
Hi Jo, Welcome in the team! lubuntu is based on LXDE and other software. Please follow the steps on http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Category:Translations to join the translation team. At the moment the first version of new PCMan File Manager is looking for translators. And we also look for people who can check the English menus etc. as most of the people in the project are not native speakers. - Mario On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:28 PM, yo_yoh jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com wrote: hi, my name is jo gerb. i joined your team and id like to help. i could translate lubuntu into german, and i also could aid you with the design. have a nice day, jo -- This message was sent from Launchpad by the user yo_yoh (https://launchpad.net/~yo-yoh) using the Contact this team link on the Lubuntu team page. For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
i've been using Opera, Firefox and Chrome in lxde and xfce environments last two months, and Opera works better than Firefox and Chrome. You should consider Opera option beyond the open sources issues. Regards. En Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:53:23 +0100, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de escribió: Hi, Firefox has its good points. But packed with lots of plugins it also sucks at memory usage. So Chromium +1 , because: + FAST (I mean really fast, the time I start firefox the same time, I open almost 10 Tabs within chromium) + Stable (Thirdparty plugins, like JAVA and Flash don't bring the browser down if(when) crashing) + Lots of extensions (not comparable to firefox but far better than midori or arora) + You don't need to make google the default search engine, to call this browser chromium (see firefox: can only be called firefox, if search engine is google and we don't touch the default profile, thats insane) + html5 youtube+veoh (x264) is working quite well with codecs installed - Chromium misses SSL encryption in the linux version still, so https sites without certificate - html5 ogg theora playback seems to be broken since quite a few builds So we need to make a choice: Firefox (slow but low memory usage) OR Chromium (blazing fast and a little more memory usage) ? I am definitely for Chromium Regards, Leszek Lesner On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:23:47 +0100 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, Many people complained about the choice of Firefox on Lubuntu. It's time to discuss it, to see if it's useful to change for another one. I can see 3 possibles choices : == Keep Firefox == + Firefox is well-known + Well maintained upstream and on Ubuntu + Many features - Slow on startup - Memory usage ? Rendering seems slower == Switch to Midori == + Small and fast + Memory usage - Upstream active but with limited developers compared to the 2 others. - Features limited == Switch to Chromium == + Similar to Chrome, which begin to be well-known + Good interface for small screen + Upstream active, supported by Google +- Firefox have still more possibility and features than Chromium ? Maybe be maintained by Mobile Team ? Private data send ? This is a quick benchmark I made, to have a quick view of performance for those 3 browsers. Startup : time to startup Memory 1 : Memory with google.com, wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu and gmail.com connected. Memory 2 : Same that 1 + 5 ubuntu.com pages Memory 3 : Closing all the pages except google.com . . Firefox .Midori . Chromium Startup 3.4s1.8s1.5s Memory using Xfce task manager . . Firefox . Midori .Chromium Memory 170Mo33Mo28Mo Memory 283Mo78Mo33Mo Memory 358Mo45Mo32Mo Memory using about:memory of Chromium . . Firefox . Midori .Chromium Memory 170Mo21Mo18Mo Memory 291Mo72Mo18Mo Memory 350Mo38Mo18Mo == Others choice == * Opera: Closed source. * Aurora: I can't see any advantage over Midori, with QT depends. * Epiphany: Too much GNOME depends. For now, I'm more for the Chromium option. Midori is nice, but I don't think we will have enough time to test and maintain it correctly. I'm interesting to have user experience with those browser on low ressources computers. If you are running Lucid, you can install them from official repository, and play with them :) Regards, Juline Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Using the new mail client Opera: http://www.opera.com/mail/ #503853 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 09:53:23 -, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote: Hi, Firefox has its good points. But packed with lots of plugins it also sucks at memory usage. So Chromium +1 , because: + FAST (I mean really fast, the time I start firefox the same time, I open almost 10 Tabs within chromium) + Stable (Thirdparty plugins, like JAVA and Flash don't bring the browser down if(when) crashing) + Lots of extensions (not comparable to firefox but far better than midori or arora) + You don't need to make google the default search engine, to call this browser chromium (see firefox: can only be called firefox, if search engine is google and we don't touch the default profile, thats insane) + html5 youtube+veoh (x264) is working quite well with codecs installed - Chromium misses SSL encryption in the linux version still, so https sites without certificate - html5 ogg theora playback seems to be broken since quite a few builds So we need to make a choice: Firefox (slow but low memory usage) OR Chromium (blazing fast and a little more memory usage) ? I am definitely for Chromium It’s swings and roundabouts isn’t it. Firefox is well known, works with most banks, it’s failings are known, making it easier to assist new users. Chromium is quite well known, not recognised by most banks, it’s failings alter with each build making it hard to support. Midori, Who, what? 'Your browser is not currently supported' is a constant message from many web sites, so new supporting it for new users could be a real headache. As Lucid is LTS release, I know this isn’t the case for Lubuntu but some people might get that impression, I say go with Firefox and monitor the progress of the other two for pssible inclusion in 10.10 As for me, I’m using Opera for WEB, mail and IRC. -- Steve ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Email client choice
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:33:55 -, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, Well, if we continue this way, we can remove all program except the browser and become a Chrome OS But for the email client, using only the web UI mean you have constantly a good Internet connexion, you can't do anything offline. Personally, I alway use a local client, I never find the web UI very good to use daily. Also, the gain to remove sylpheed is about 5Mo unpacked, so only a bit less than 2Mo on the ISO. About the choice sylpheed vs claws-mail, the 2 seems good. Memory usage seems quite the same, main functionality are here, development seems active (a bit more maybe on claws side). Main difference so far is the multi-threading of sylpheed, mean you can close it when he's trying to synchronize an IMAP folder. Regarding the popularity, Claws is more used on Debian than sylpheed. So +1 for both for me I think sylpheed wins, just, because of the multi-threading. Both are equally slow at times, with large imap folders. Both win hands down over WEB interfaces which seem to me to be designed to put people off using email. For really light-weight mutt is the obvious one but, it takes a bit of twiddling to get just so and terrifies most new users. So +1 for sylpheed and +0.9 for claws -- Steve ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
Le samedi 30 janvier 2010 à 15:49 +0700, Mario Behling a écrit : Privacy is a real issue. There is an alternative see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRWare_Iron David Sugar mentioned one time, that the Chromium maintainers might look into it. Now, that Canonical is changing to Yahoo as its standard search engine is the team also looking into this aspect? Google would still get information about what people search with Yahoo or Bing even when Google is not the standard search engine. Yes it's a real problem. I don't think switching to a fork projet will be a good idea. I'm sure we can switch off those privacy options (because some are optional, but enable by default) using different default settings. We can also patch the source if it's necessary, but this will increase the maintenance of the package. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
Le vendredi 29 janvier 2010 à 18:28 -0600, flavio muñoz marquez a écrit : Well, I think that it should be Firefox ... free browser is the best Chromium still not 100%, but neither should we forget Epiphany Which part of the browser is not free ? Chromium is available in universe, that mean all the program is under free licenses. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
