[lubuntu-users] lubuntu social media page shut down because of legal threats from Rafael Laguna

[Mario Behling]

Hi,

is this supposed to be Christmas present? Please see the Trademark
complaint of Rafael below.

This is making me very sad. The idea of Free and Open Source software was
always to be inclusive and get others on board and build something open and
free, where everyone can engage in.

Rafael & Co, why you are moving content to a closed site instead of keeping
it up to date on the wiki? lubuntu.net always directed people to community
resources, but you want to control things and redirect wiki pages more and
more to your closed site? This is not what a community project is about in
my view. This project has become all about control now. Community resources
are neglected and a small closed group controls central resources, that are
- closed.

Next: People and universities who want put up content, videos and pages
about lubuntu are getting threats of legal action. This project should be
open and inclusive the way it was started!

Here are suggestions, what needs to be done to fix community resources. Who
is interested to help?

* The distribution has become unstable for a lot of people (check out
social media!) - we need a developers, that also contribute to upstream
projects and develop new ideas.
* The bloated wiki with lots of broken images needs to be cleaned up or a
new community resource needs to come up. (I will provide my take on this
later.)
* Lots of groups that had been founded to simply show off "I am in a group"
and get people an ubuntu.com email addresses are inactive and the groups
are often irrelevant. They should be dissolved.
* Outdated documentation, which has become unusable needs to be cleaned up
* Documentation which is just directing to Ubuntu and irrelevant for
lubuntu needs to be changed
* Links that are redirecting to closed sites should be taken out and
content should be on the wiki itself

It seems a number of people have moved on to other channels from this list
already, but it would be great to read, what ideas people who are still
here have to get this project to the next level instead of wasting time on
legal threats.

If you are interested in those topics, please join the dedicated team to
follow up here: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-x

... Still cannot believe that legal threats are used like that in the Free
Software community.

Very sad :(

- Mario



On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 6:50 PM, YouTube Legal Support Team <
youtube-disputes+qdogt6rq5qagcveaqtzlumt5yq.aljz-kfr...@google.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> This is to notify you that we have received a trademark complaint
> regarding your content, the details of which appear at the end of this
> message.
>
> We strongly encourage parties to resolve their trademark disputes
> directly. In order to give you an opportunity to respond to the complaint,
> we will not take action on the complaint for 48 hours. If you are unable to
> resolve this issue with the complainant, the complaint will be reviewed by
> the YouTube Team and may be removed pursuant to our Trademark Guidelines (
> https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801979).
>
> For more information on editing the title, description, or tags of your
> video, please visit the YouTube Help Center at https://support.google.com/
> youtube/topic/4355241?ref_topic=4355169. If the alleged violation is
> located within the video itself, you may have to remove the video in its
> entirety (https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/55770).
>
> Regards,
>
> The YouTube Legal Support Team
>
> Title: Mr.
>
> Full legal name: Rafael Laguna
>
> Company name: Lubuntu
>
> Trademark owner name: Canonical Ltd.
>
> Relationship: Artwork Director Tram
>
> Email: w...@rafaellaguna.uk
>
> Brand type: Wordmark and Logo
>
> Register status: Yes
>
> Jurisdiction of registration: GB
>
> Registration number: 4578010
>
> Content type: Channel description
>
> Channels: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0nEnI4yt2OCiZwRT0q90tQ/about
>
> Clarification: The user is using a Ubuntu flavour Icon and Name (Lubuntu
> and the icon of Lubuntu) all of them registered by Canonical Ltd, UK, and
> allowed to be used only in the website http://lubuntu.me as indicated in
> the countersigned licence attached.
>
> Signature: Rafael Laguna
>
> Evidence: 1ec9131fda28410dba370d4840230e9c.pdf
> Help center  • Email options
> 
> ©2017 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066, USA
> 
>
>
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[lubuntu-users] [Bug 1608306] Re: Confusing for users with many websites

[Mario Behling]

The discussion on this issue is out of scope and full of erroneous
information. For this reason, I will have to answer against my usual
behaviour of making a long thread even longer.

* @Rafael: Thank you for the update on your website. Though, I do not
understand why you do not update the links on lubuntu.net. You and
Julien have access for years and you have posted things in the past. I
neither get why you talk of me as "he" in the third person here. I did
not receive an email or chat message from you about problems with
access. We had even emailed about the possibility of getting the design
you made for Wordpress ported to Drupal on lubuntu.net.

* Regarding a discussions about what is official. lubuntu was never an
official project of the company. It was at one point officially
supported by Canonical and they contribute resources. But claims about
being "official" apart from that - I will not get what is the goal. We
set up this project with the wiki at the core and that is where
lubuntu.net points everyone. If you want to change that, with another
site you can do what you want, but I always preferred decentralised
resources, that different people can edit easily.

* About off-list emails and transfer of team ownership: I was not even
aware it is possible to change ownership on Launchpad teams without a
transition process and without informing the team owner. There is a real
problem with this system if that is possible. There seem to be people in
control who do not follow transparent processes and disrespect others in
a way, that would result in sanctions or even expelling in any other
project. Apparently the same people are sending me insulting emails in
offensive language. It is sad to see, what is happening and I will
consider what to do about this, but just because I was quiet so far does
not mean this is right.

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Title:
  Confusing for users with many websites

Status in Lubuntu Artwork:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  Hi! I have used Lubuntu for many years and thought the lubuntu.net
  webstte was the official site for lubuntu. I have subscribed to the
  RSS feed to get news, but lately, there have been very few. Recently,
  I discovered the lubuntu.me website. It seems more active and the blog
  is up to date on news. There is no indication on either that they are
  not official, but on the bottom of both, there seems to be information
  pointing towards both being owned by individuals, not by the Lubuntu
  project. This makes it hard to know which is the official site, if
  any. Would it not be less confusing for users to have one website and
  make the other address redirect to it?

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