[BAROQUE-LUTE] Another Courante
The next piece du jour (a slighly more French version of the preceeding one)- http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/corr-estnulla/corr-estnulla.mp3 http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/corr-estnulla/corr-estnulla.pdf for your perusal and delectation. Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Hi Marco, One place to start : http://www.bncf.firenze.sbn.it/Bib_digitale/Manoscritti/M19_105/main.htm There are more but I'm on my way to work ;-( I'll try to gather more links later on. Haave a good day, Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 04:36:00 === Probably an already asked question: where to find free facsimiles for theorbo/chitarrone music on the internet? Thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008
[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
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[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
It is the ghost of Rene Mesangeau on the list... Perhaps he doen't agree with the posts about French lute golden age... Who knows ? V ;-) -Message d'origine- De : Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 2 juillet 2008 13:53 À : lute Objet : [LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau ??? Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:35:04 === = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
Val, you know René means born again. Let's give him time for a second birth attempt ;-)) Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:55:08 === It is the ghost of Rene Mesangeau on the list... Perhaps he doen't agree with the posts about French lute golden age... Who knows ? V ;-) -Message d'origine- De : Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 2 juillet 2008 13:53 À : lute Objet : [LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau ??? Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:35:04 === = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 N ¶è®ß¶¬+-±ç¥Ëbú+«b¢vÛiÿü0ÁË j»f¢ëayÛ¿Á·?ë^iÙ¢ø§uìa¶i
[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
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[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
Not reborn at all, our dear old René... Pure blank ... ;-) :-( === 02-07-2008 14:19:49 === = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008
[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
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[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
Reminds me of a line from Ray Nurse's LSA lecture on Dowland. He asked how we would even know whether we played a piece exactly as Dowland intended. Would Dowland appear in a puff of pink smoke and place a gold star on our lute? Conversely, if we play him badly, will he haunt us in our nightmares? Sorry Rene if our performance practice has offended you. Just be happy that over 300 years later, people are still playing your music! DS On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 08:06AM, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Val, you know René means born again. Let's give him time for a second birth attempt ;-)) Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:55:08 === It is the ghost of Rene Mesangeau on the list... Perhaps he doen't agree with the posts about French lute golden age... Who knows ? V ;-) -Message d'origine- De : Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 2 juillet 2008 13:53 À : lute Objet : [LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau ??? Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:35:04 === = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 N ¶è®ß¶¬+-±ç¥Ëbú+«b¢vÛiÿü0ÁË j»f¢ëayÛ¿Á·?ë^iÙ¢ø§uìa¶i
[LUTE] Heluth
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[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
Speaking of Mesangeau (at least the subject heading says we are anyway): where does one go to buy the CNRS edition that contains Mesangeau's pieces in transitional tunings? Best, David R On Jul 2, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: Reminds me of a line from Ray Nurse's LSA lecture on Dowland. He asked how we would even know whether we played a piece exactly as Dowland intended. Would Dowland appear in a puff of pink smoke and place a gold star on our lute? Conversely, if we play him badly, will he haunt us in our nightmares? Sorry Rene if our performance practice has offended you. Just be happy that over 300 years later, people are still playing your music! DS On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 08:06AM, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Val, you know Ren=8E means born again. Let's give him time for a second birth attempt ;-)) Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:55:08 === It is the ghost of Rene Mesangeau on the list... Perhaps he doen't agree with the posts about French lute golden age... Who knows ? V ;-) -Message d'origine- De : Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoy=8E : mercredi 2 juillet 2008 13:53 =CB : lute Objet : [LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau ??? Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:35:04 === = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti- virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 N=C3=1E|=C5=8F=A81/2=A7|=18-=F6+-=B1=8D'=C9=E8b=FF=9C+u=C7b=A2v=D0o=DBi=D8=9F0=E7=E8=1Dj=C8f=A2`ay=DB=C0=E7a?=F6`^i=F4=A2=C4=BF=A4ua|i [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
Here you can order some books, but I'm afraid not Mesangeau... http://www.cnrseditions.fr/catalogue/domaine-16-1.html Valéry -Message d'origine- De : David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 2 juillet 2008 15:44 À : lute Objet : [LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau Speaking of Mesangeau (at least the subject heading says we are anyway): where does one go to buy the CNRS edition that contains Mesangeau's pieces in transitional tunings? Best, David R On Jul 2, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: Reminds me of a line from Ray Nurse's LSA lecture on Dowland. He asked how we would even know whether we played a piece exactly as Dowland intended. Would Dowland appear in a puff of pink smoke and place a gold star on our lute? Conversely, if we play him badly, will he haunt us in our nightmares? Sorry Rene if our performance practice has offended you. Just be happy that over 300 years later, people are still playing your music! DS On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 08:06AM, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Val, you know Ren=8E means born again. Let's give him time for a second birth attempt ;-)) Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:55:08 === It is the ghost of Rene Mesangeau on the list... Perhaps he doen't agree with the posts about French lute golden age... Who knows ? V ;-) -Message d'origine- De : Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoy=8E : mercredi 2 juillet 2008 13:53 =CB : lute Objet : [LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau ??? Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:35:04 === = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti- virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 N=C3=1E|=C5=8F=A81/2=A7|=18-=F6+-=B1=8D'=C9=E8b=FF=9C+u=C7b=A2v=D0o=DBi=D8=9 F0=E7=E8=1Dj=C8f=A2`ay=DB=C0=E7a?=F6`^i=F4=A2=C4=BF=A4ua|i [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
Nowhere, alas ;-( ! It's been out of print for years by now... If you're lucky maybe some places like Abebooks could help you... You still have the Wayne Cripps's edition of some pieces from Panmure 5 manuscript (Edimburgh, Scotland) in the sharp tuning (one of the aforesaid transitional tunings ;-) at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lyre/Mes.html Good luck ! Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 15:43:44 === Speaking of Mesangeau (at least the subject heading says we are anyway): where does one go to buy the CNRS edition that contains Mesangeau's pieces in transitional tunings? Best, David R On Jul 2, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: Reminds me of a line from Ray Nurse's LSA lecture on Dowland. He asked how we would even know whether we played a piece exactly as Dowland intended. Would Dowland appear in a puff of pink smoke and place a gold star on our lute? Conversely, if we play him badly, will he haunt us in our nightmares? Sorry Rene if our performance practice has offended you. Just be happy that over 300 years later, people are still playing your music! DS On Wednesday, July 02, 2008, at 08:06AM, Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Val, you know Ren=8E means born again. Let's give him time for a second birth attempt ;-)) Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:55:08 === It is the ghost of Rene Mesangeau on the list... Perhaps he doen't agree with the posts about French lute golden age... Who knows ? V ;-) -Message d'origine- De : Jean-Marie Poirier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoy=8E : mercredi 2 juillet 2008 13:53 =CB : lute Objet : [LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau ??? Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 13:35:04 === = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti- virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 N=C3=1E|=C5=8F=A81/2=A7|=18-=F6+-=B1=8D'=C9=E8b=FF=9C+u=C7b=A2v=D0o=DBi=D8=9F0=E7=E8=1Dj=C8f=A2`ay=DB=C0=E7a?=F6`^i=F4=A2=C4=BF=A4ua|i [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008
[LUTE] Rene Mesangeau - what Henning is trying to say
Here is the lost message (Henning, try to send messages as plain text rather than html if you can) I always change the 1st and 2nd strings on my 10 course lute when tuning down from vieil ton to the new tunings. I put on some thicker ones to compensate the loss of tension and an out -of -tune muddy sound, tuning down from nominal 2nd course D to C.( Don't forget to put on thinner strings when tuning up again to vieil ton. I have not tried a single 2nd course in the new tunings, as this would result in unequal distance between the 1st, 2 nd and 3rd courses (using just one of two holes in the bridge) I can't remember having seen any references to single 2nd courses on the 10 course lute. The question of the transition from the 10 to the 11 course French lute is a complex one. See for ex. Michael Lowe, Renaissance and Baroque Lutes, a False Dichotomy, in Proceedings of the International Lute Symposium, 1986. Best wishes , Henning Hoel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau
I think it's spam from a spa On Jul 2, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: .Still blank, heluth. What can the problem be ? Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 14:36:23 === = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Rene Mesangeau - what Henning is trying to say
Oh, Henning ! Don't do that again please ;-))) Come on, plain text and no html anymore please. I also change my courses1 and 2 when shifting to new tunings, otherwise the blance is very poor indeed and the lute uncomfortable to play. Never heard of single second courses either... Best wishes and plain text, plese Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 16:21:41 === Here is the lost message (Henning, try to send messages as plain text rather than html if you can) I always change the 1st and 2nd strings on my 10 course lute when tuning down from vieil ton to the new tunings. I put on some thicker ones to compensate the loss of tension and an out -of -tune muddy sound, tuning down from nominal 2nd course D to C.( Don't forget to put on thinner strings when tuning up again to vieil ton. I have not tried a single 2nd course in the new tunings, as this would result in unequal distance between the 1st, 2 nd and 3rd courses (using just one of two holes in the bridge) I can't remember having seen any references to single 2nd courses on the 10 course lute. The question of the transition from the 10 to the 11 course French lute is a complex one. See for ex. Michael Lowe, Renaissance and Baroque Lutes, a False Dichotomy, in Proceedings of the International Lute Symposium, 1986. Best wishes , Henning Hoel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008
[LUTE] Re: French Style
steve burd [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: My copy of Les Agrements - French Baroque Ornamentation, by Michel Pignolet Monteclaire has arrived from Jacks, Pipes Hammers, and I find the publisher is Peacock Press, not Severinus Press. Sorry for that. Also, an off-list e-mail suggested it would have been helpful and appreciated had I mentioned the price. Fifteen pounds sterling, postage paid. Regards, Steve Burd. Pls do not hesitate to inform the list in case there are some ground breaking news. -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Music in the Sharp Tuning
David - 1 - My agreement with the National Library of Scotland was to only print a small number of copies, and I have printed that number. 2 - I don't get may requests for this book anymore - maybe one a year, and it is not worth the hassle to go out and get copies printed. 3 - the Panmure #5 manuscript is very clear and legible, unlike some of the other manuscripts that I transcribed, and there is no problem with working with the original. You can get microfilms through various interlibrary loans, including the LSA, or you probably can get a copy on paper from the National Library of Scotland. Geroge IV Bridge, Edinburgh EH1 1EW, Scotland. The good news is that I am currently working on Music in the Flat Tuning, the bad news is that it is going very slowly. Like maybe many years. Wayne I know that it says on your site that Music in the Sharp Tuning is out of stock. Does that mean that it's permanently available, or do you think you might be reprinting it one of these days?? Best, David Rastall To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facsimiles.
Thanks Jean-Marie. I've added the Firenze 'theorbo' book to my companion database of lute and early music books at: http://creator.zoho.com/peterskeeter/lute-and-early-music-books/view/2/ Keep me informed about new sightings of online facsimiles and I will add them. By the way, the totally excellent International Music Score Library project reopened on 1 July, after several months out of action following threats from over-assiduous publishers' lawyers. Over 16,000 scanned scores of out-of-copyright musical works. A treasure. P http://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page 2008/7/2 Jean-Marie Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: An excellent collection of links to facsimiles online, not especailly theorbo, but mostly lute. http://creator.zoho.com/peterskeeter/online-sources-of-lute-and-early-music/view/1/ Thank you Peter Skeeter for your initiative ! Jean-Marie === 02-07-2008 04:36:00 === Probably an already asked question: where to find free facsimiles for theorbo/chitarrone music on the internet? Thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htmlhttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html --- Orange vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail. Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://poirierjm.free.fr 02-07-2008 -- Peter Martin Belle Serre La Caulie 81100 Castres France tel: 0033 5 63 35 68 46 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.silvius.co.uk http://absolute81.blogspot.com/ www.myspace.com/sambuca999 www.myspace.com/chuckerbutty --
