[LUTE] Re: songs of life and death
Beautiful Lachrimae! David R dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ohh man...replacing strings is BAD!!
Replacing strings is not bad, just spendy. ;^) I reverse my roped basses for the 5th and 6th course but I use the entire length and don't cut it. A 120cm length will not work on a 60cm lute if I cut it in half. I make sure I have enough winding on the peg to take a little tension off the bend going into the peg hole and then wrap the excess around the pegbox. When I finally deem the first use is not acceptable I have the choice of: a) slackening the string, untying it from the bridge and using the other end coming out of the peghole. or b) removing the string and hanging it up for a week or two (w/ a few extra twists so it doesn't seperate at the peg bends --which it probably won't do anyway but I figure it can't hurt) w/ a 3-4 lb weight. When I put it back on the lute I use the other end. Yes, there is some overlap from the first length to the second length in the (b) plan but it seems to work. I saw Jacob Heringman doing something that looked like this many years ago on his 6c and while I'm guessing at the details, it does work and has saved me quite a few dollars in roped basses. This only seems to work on the 5th and 6th courses fundamentals. And I just now read Dan's note. H. Interesting. Might have to try that Universale product... Sean On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: On Jan 14, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Omer Katzir wrote: Saturday, I wanted to reverse my lute strings and few of them snapped, they were only one year old. So I put new strings, and man...I hate to do that. My sympathies. So how many people here actually reverse their strings? Since most string manufacturers insist on a one (or two) size fits all policy, I have long wound long bits of string on my pegs. Sometimes I actually reverse them! I am questioning the validity of this idea now. For one thing, there never is enough string to make two strings. If there are, I cut them and have two strings. So if there isn't enough string for two, that means there will always part of the reversed string that is extra "old". Can a small part of the string cause intonation problems? I think I know the answer to that. The other thing I am wondering is what kind of stress is on the wound part and whether that part gets misshaped from the experience. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: songs of life and death
Congratulations, David. Nice Lachrimae! ed At 09:01 PM 1/16/2009 +0100, David van Ooijen wrote: >--===AVGMAIL-4970E954=== >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >There's a new CD out with me playing a 10-course (all-gut) Renaissance >lute by Nico van der Waals. Songs by Purcell, Webb, Coprario, Dowland, >Wilson, H. Lawes, Johnson and Brewer. Finally, I've recorded >Lachrimae. :-) > >See it here (and hear a bit when you click on the CD): >http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/cd_f.html > >End of commercial. > >David > >-- >*** >David van Ooijen >davidvanooi...@gmail.com >www.davidvanooijen.nl >*** > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >--===AVGMAIL-4970E954=== >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="===AVGMAIL-4970E954===" > >--===AVGMAIL-4970E954=== >Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Content-Disposition: inline >Content-Description: "AVG certification" > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1897 - Release Date: 1/16/2009 6= >:52 AM > >--===AVGMAIL-4970E954===-- > >--===AVGMAIL-4970E954===-- Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: songs of life and death
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:09 PM, howard posner wrote: > > On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:01 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: > >> There's a new CD out with me playing a 10-course (all-gut) Renaissance >> lute by Nico van der Waals. > > Amazing. He used to make them out of wood. That's before his nylon days, I presume? David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: songs of life and death
On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:01 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: > There's a new CD out with me playing a 10-course (all-gut) Renaissance > lute by Nico van der Waals. Amazing. He used to make them out of wood. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] songs of life and death
There's a new CD out with me playing a 10-course (all-gut) Renaissance lute by Nico van der Waals. Songs by Purcell, Webb, Coprario, Dowland, Wilson, H. Lawes, Johnson and Brewer. Finally, I've recorded Lachrimae. :-) See it here (and hear a bit when you click on the CD): http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/cd_f.html End of commercial. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: midi
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009, Ed Durbrow said: > What do you think would be the most practical way to midi-fy a lute? if the goal is to play into a computer that coes the sund into midi, retune a solid-body guitar with individual string pickups. Even better would be a no-string instrument, more drumish than luteish, pressure pads for both LH and RH; direct input to midi. Not sure how to handle harmonics, but lute music doesnt use them much; and not sure midi recognizers can deal with them either. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ohh man...replacing strings is BAD!!
Interesting- I just addressed a worn string problem with the double treble on my vihuela. Not enough to get two strings from each length, but plenty of left over, wound around the pegs and the rest coiled. Fuzzy string wear between the rose and the bridge was ruining the sound and threatening string life, so loosened both and unwound the six or so inches needed to get the bad sections through the bridge and out of the way. Strings are now back up to sounding good and clear again, absolutely no intonation problems, as a pair or individually; they match and are perfectly in tune from open to 12 fret. This is the famous Universale (ox, ram, or for all I know tiger gut) strings that keep going, and going, and .42 mm, g, but A at about 400 on a 64.5 string length. Minor surface violations on the "old" string sections that have been fingered mean the days- or with luck- weeks are numbered for this course, however. No problems from the part wound on the pegs. I can see now that removing and reversing the entire string might have also worked, perhaps even better; next time. Dan >My sympathies. >So how many people here actually reverse their strings? Since most >string manufacturers insist on a one (or two) size fits all policy, >I have long wound long bits of string on my pegs. Sometimes I >actually reverse them! >I am questioning the validity of this idea now. For one thing, there >never is enough string to make two strings. If there are, I cut them >and have two strings. So if there isn't enough string for two, that >means there will always part of the reversed string that is extra >"old". Can a small part of the string cause intonation problems? I >think I know the answer to that. The other thing I am wondering is >what kind of stress is on the wound part and whether that part gets >misshaped from the experience. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: midi
Thank you for a very comprehensive post! On Jan 17, 2009, at 12:00 AM, William Brohinsky wrote: Maybe someone has done this and has a practical and effective way of doing it. Well, that is what I'm wondering. First off, I admit that most of my experience with midi and non-traditional (read: not piano-keyboard-like) controllers fell between 1980 and 2000, Yeah, me too, but probably a lot less experience than you (only two different guitar controllers) and only in the 80s. didn't result in nearly so good an improvement to our performances as it detracted from it, due to extra concerns with cabling, adjustments, and random failures of equipment. That sounds familiar. The biggest problems with MIDI converters is that they are, in essence, only good for one-note-at-a-time, and are therefore easily confused by...well,... just about everything. (There is only one case where prescience _has_ been designed successfully into hardware. I did it, and it won't work for this application.) Could you elaborate? -get an acoustic guitar which has been designed for use with a midi converter. Generally, this involves a special bridge with piezeo pickups built into it, and may involve additional damping to reduce body noise or interaction between strings. They function best when each string can be detected separately by it's individual pickup. This also works for electrics with hex pickups, but again, in either case, it is hard to make a pickup that "gets it" with a plucked string. I just sold my ancient Roland GM-70 and GK-1, but I figure that midi guitar technology must have come a long ways since then. I have a friend who used to play one-man band here and he always used a midi rig (Roland GR-09). It seemed to work very well. I thought he used a nylon strung guitar, but now that I look at some pictures it looks like a steel strung. I know however, that there are nylon strung midi controllers out there because I tried one at a trade show once many years ago and it worked well. Anyway, there are piezo pickups intended for aftermarket installation on guitars, and they require a very good luthier to be done right and not look bad afterwards. They might be adapted to lute... but at a cost, because lute strings don't pass over a bridge (unless they're like the beast I had to play last semester), and few people want to add the weight of extra stone and copper to a lute. This is the route I am thinking about. On acoustic guitars these systems are invisible these days. So the question is whether one could be adopted for lute. I think the biggest problem is the spacing of the bridge. Guitar bridges are much closer to a standard size. Now if the hex pickup was actually in 6 parts and could be placed under the bridge on the inside of the instrument centered on each course, there might be a hope of this working and that is what I was wondering if anyone had tried. As for midi-converting from a lute which is not being muted viciously, it's going to take some amazing processing from an adaptive high-speed processor to do a bad job of it. Doing a good job of it is still a few decades of technology ahead of us. The interaction between the strings in a unison pair alone can drive a detector nuts. This is probably very true. I wonder how the state of the art these days can deal with these problems. My own conclusion with guitar may help inform your decisions about lute-midi: If I need a midi voice, it is easier, less expensive and more reliable to use a keyboard controller to get it. That is why I sold my old Roland system. This quest is probably a pipe dream. I will probably end up getting another guitar based system at some point. It is just that lute is my main instrument and I think more in terms of lute than guitar these days. I have been doing a lot of improvisation on the lute lately and midi is a kind of natural next step. Of course with a midi system I could have a guitar controller come out in lute tuning but I am more interested in the combination of acoustic and midi sounds. Transposition just sucks because unless you are playing at deafening levels you will hear the acoustic sound grating against the midi. Thanks, Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: midi
On Jan 16, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Arthur Ness wrote: You mean you want to make a midi file by playing the notes into the computer on the lute? I read a review (now many years ago) in the Boston Globe that had very nice things to say about G-Vox, a system for midi-input using (I think) an acoustic guitar. I see it mentioned every now and then on guitar lists. I was thinking how easy that would make to input lute music by playing from tablature. In a few years we could have the whole damned repertory in a computer database. See http://www.gvox.com/ Gvox seems to be the company name. Are you referring to their sequencer Master Tracks Pro? I already have a midi sequencer (Digital Performer) that can convert acoustic audio tracks into midi. It works, ... uh, moderately well, with a lot of tweaking depending on source material. What I was hoping for is a midi hex pickup for lute for live performance. Now that I am not using octaves on my 6th course on my main Ren instrument, I thought the feasibility of this might have gone up a notch (as opposed to having octaves). To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: emblems
lovely resource - thanks for posting On 16 Jan 2009, at 11:27, Bernd Haegemann wrote: > http://emblems.let.uu.nl/browse.html?idHCC7323 -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] midi
What do you think would be the most practical way to midi-fy a lute? Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ohh man...replacing strings is BAD!!
On Jan 14, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Omer Katzir wrote: Saturday, I wanted to reverse my lute strings and few of them snapped, they were only one year old. So I put new strings, and man...I hate to do that. My sympathies. So how many people here actually reverse their strings? Since most string manufacturers insist on a one (or two) size fits all policy, I have long wound long bits of string on my pegs. Sometimes I actually reverse them! I am questioning the validity of this idea now. For one thing, there never is enough string to make two strings. If there are, I cut them and have two strings. So if there isn't enough string for two, that means there will always part of the reversed string that is extra "old". Can a small part of the string cause intonation problems? I think I know the answer to that. The other thing I am wondering is what kind of stress is on the wound part and whether that part gets misshaped from the experience. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Pilkington's Rest Sweet Nymphs
Considering the text, it is doubtful that he wrote it for his daughters. dt t 02:59 PM 1/15/2009, you wrote: >Greetings all and Happy New Year, > >Does anyone know the origin of this song? I've heard it was written >for Pilkington's daughters but I can't find any corroborating >evidence. All help will be greatly appreciated. > >Regards, >Craig > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
