[LUTE] Re: There is a traitor in our midst!
Rob, After listening to you, I saw there were other ukulele players listed, and I listened to one or two. Some were virtuosi, and I might admire their skill, but it seemed all flash and little music. A couple of years ago, I went to a Hoppy concert organized by the French guitar society. In the first half there was a guitarist, and his LH technique was exceptional, but it seemed the music was just there to show off his skills. Hoppy, on the other hand, seemed almost to dissappear behind his lute. He created a small space of humble silence within which the subtle nuances of the music became the only focus for the audience. Perhaps, occasionally these two attitudes to music snap together in one performer, but I am not sure I have heard it. Oh, and I certainly am a dilettante, but I just wish I was as good at dilettante-ing, as you seem to be. Best wishes Anthony Le 18 janv. 09 à 08:21, Rob MacKillop a écrit : Christopher, I must be a dilettante. I'm certainly no virtuoso, although I have noticed that playing a simple piece simply is often harder than playing something fast with lots of notes leaping around. I've reached a useful level of technique on plucked instruments - useful in the sense that I can express myself. If that is to be denigrated, then so be it. I'm happy. Rob 2009/1/18 Christopher Stetson [1]cstet...@email.smith.edu Oh, and this too; you have to be able to live with being thought of (or actually being) something of a dilettante. Or, as a gentle friend of mine put it, someone who prefers diversity to virtuosity. C. -- References 1. mailto:cstet...@email.smith.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Has this been noted before: http://www.hernanmouro.com/uploads/pdf/guitar_timeline.pdf Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: There is a traitor in our midst!
Some Uke players are also playing early music... Here is an example of a long way from the 13 course baroque lute to the small 4 strings uke... Not so bad... ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yfO81Ayl6A And also all the renaissance guitar music is playable on the Uke, of course... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrJemNnRlk8 V. (One day I'll try to record Hawaïan music on the ren. guit...) - Original Message - From: Anthony Hind anthony.h...@noos.fr To: Rob MacKillop luteplay...@googlemail.com; lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:15 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: There is a traitor in our midst! Rob, After listening to you, I saw there were other ukulele players listed, and I listened to one or two. Some were virtuosi, and I might admire their skill, but it seemed all flash and little music. A couple of years ago, I went to a Hoppy concert organized by the French guitar society. In the first half there was a guitarist, and his LH technique was exceptional, but it seemed the music was just there to show off his skills. Hoppy, on the other hand, seemed almost to dissappear behind his lute. He created a small space of humble silence within which the subtle nuances of the music became the only focus for the audience. Perhaps, occasionally these two attitudes to music snap together in one performer, but I am not sure I have heard it. Oh, and I certainly am a dilettante, but I just wish I was as good at dilettante-ing, as you seem to be. Best wishes Anthony Le 18 janv. 09 à 08:21, Rob MacKillop a écrit : Christopher, I must be a dilettante. I'm certainly no virtuoso, although I have noticed that playing a simple piece simply is often harder than playing something fast with lots of notes leaping around. I've reached a useful level of technique on plucked instruments - useful in the sense that I can express myself. If that is to be denigrated, then so be it. I'm happy. Rob 2009/1/18 Christopher Stetson [1]cstet...@email.smith.edu Oh, and this too; you have to be able to live with being thought of (or actually being) something of a dilettante. Or, as a gentle friend of mine put it, someone who prefers diversity to virtuosity. C. -- References 1. mailto:cstet...@email.smith.edu To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Does it strike you, that the provider of this must be colour blind?? - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: [LUTE] 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)' Has this been noted before: http://www.hernanmouro.com/uploads/pdf/guitar_timeline.pdf Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com schrieb: Has this been noted before: http://www.hernanmouro.com/uploads/pdf/guitar_timeline.pdf Stuart Thanks for this! (Sweelinck has been placed a bit awkwardly, though.) -- Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Mathias Rösel wrote: Has this been noted before: http://www.hernanmouro.com/uploads/pdf/guitar_timeline.pdf Stuart Thanks for this! (Sweelinck has been placed a bit awkwardly, though.) The whole thing seems rather eccentric -even allowing for the colour-coding confusion of four-course guitar and vihuela. I know it's OT but I don't think many modern guitarists think of Boulez as a notable composer of guitar music! (Is there much more than the guitar part in 'Le Marteau..'?) And Diesel? (googling Diesel got me to this). Possibly it's just some kid's effort but because it's nicely produced it looks authoritative. Stuart No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1900 - Release Date: 18/01/2009 12:11 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
All, Elliot Carter, while not very prolific for guitar, is noticeably absent. (And still very much alive and composing at 100!) Other than that, my general observation in that its sad that Leo Brouwer is the youngest composer o be called notable. (Sad that he's even included as a notable, given the overall lackluster quality of his music.) Sorry to be a downer but I'm afraid, despite the awesome technical abilities of many performers today, that the CG world is slipping from the heights it attained in the mid 20th century once more into the cultural wasteland of vapidity. Chris --- Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Mathias Rösel wrote: Has this been noted before: http://www.hernanmouro.com/uploads/pdf/guitar_timeline.pdf Stuart Thanks for this! (Sweelinck has been placed a bit awkwardly, though.) The whole thing seems rather eccentric -even allowing for the colour-coding confusion of four-course guitar and vihuela. I know it's OT but I don't think many modern guitarists think of Boulez as a notable composer of guitar music! (Is there much more than the guitar part in 'Le Marteau..'?) And Diesel? (googling Diesel got me to this). Possibly it's just some kid's effort but because it's nicely produced it looks authoritative. Stuart No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1900 - Release Date: 18/01/2009 12:11 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:37 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry to be a downer but I'm afraid, despite the awesome technical abilities of many performers today, that the CG world is slipping from the heights it attained in the mid 20th century once more into the cultural wasteland of vapidity. Just goes to show that awesome technical ability doth not culture make. I don't think it's just the guitar players (although I agree that the CG world is more bland nowadays than it was in the old days). I think classical music in general has slipped from the sad heights it occupied in the early to mid 20th C. IMO the more that traditional culture slips through our fingers, the more we rely upon note machines, human or otherwise, to carry our music for us. It's a sad state of affairs. Personally, I blame Paganini. ;-) DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
There may be a couple of pieces for guitar, and guitar and voice, by Maxwell Davies, I believe. http://www.chesternovello.com/default.aspx? TabId=2432State_3041=2workId_3041=11859 http://www.chesternovello.com/default.aspx? TabId=2432State_3041=2workId_3041=11859 Anthony Le 18 janv. 09 à 18:37, chriswi...@yahoo.com a écrit : All, Elliot Carter, while not very prolific for guitar, is noticeably absent. (And still very much alive and composing at 100!) Other than that, my general observation in that its sad that Leo Brouwer is the youngest composer o be called notable. (Sad that he's even included as a notable, given the overall lackluster quality of his music.) Sorry to be a downer but I'm afraid, despite the awesome technical abilities of many performers today, that the CG world is slipping from the heights it attained in the mid 20th century once more into the cultural wasteland of vapidity. Chris --- Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Mathias Rösel wrote: Has this been noted before: http://www.hernanmouro.com/uploads/pdf/guitar_timeline.pdf Stuart Thanks for this! (Sweelinck has been placed a bit awkwardly, though.) The whole thing seems rather eccentric -even allowing for the colour-coding confusion of four-course guitar and vihuela. I know it's OT but I don't think many modern guitarists think of Boulez as a notable composer of guitar music! (Is there much more than the guitar part in 'Le Marteau..'?) And Diesel? (googling Diesel got me to this). Possibly it's just some kid's effort but because it's nicely produced it looks authoritative. Stuart -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1900 - Release Date: 18/01/2009 12:11 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
I don't know why the world of classical guitar is of such interest to this list - although I believe it's natural to be interested and a little envious of a more sucessful and accomplished cousin. Joseph Mayes __ From: David Rastall [mailto:dlu...@verizon.net] Sent: Sun 1/18/2009 2:45 PM To: chriswi...@yahoo.com Cc: Lute List (E-mail) Subject: [LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)' On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:37 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry to be a downer but I'm afraid, despite the awesome technical abilities of many performers today, that the CG world is slipping from the heights it attained in the mid 20th century once more into the cultural wasteland of vapidity. Just goes to show that awesome technical ability doth not culture make. I don't think it's just the guitar players (although I agree that the CG world is more bland nowadays than it was in the old days). I think classical music in general has slipped from the sad heights it occupied in the early to mid 20th C. IMO the more that traditional culture slips through our fingers, the more we rely upon note machines, human or otherwise, to carry our music for us. It's a sad state of affairs. Personally, I blame Paganini. ;-) DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Seems to me, a great deal of posters on this list are interested in almost everything plucked, and then some, especially a half-brother - love or hate... G. - Original Message - From: Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu To: David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net; chriswi...@yahoo.com Cc: Lute List (E-mail) lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)' I don't know why the world of classical guitar is of such interest to this list - although I believe it's natural to be interested and a little envious of a more sucessful and accomplished cousin. Joseph Mayes To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] missing in Brown?
The LSA microfilm lending library lists the following, HM Brown _Instrumental Music Printed before 1600_ seems to have missed it entirely, a rare failure for HMB; unless it is manuscript... Possible it is an edition of Fronimo with a veriant title page? [0479]GALILEI, VINCENZO. 1584. _Libro d'intavolatura._ [Italian tab for 6c lute.] Someone on the list familiar with it? -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: missing in Brown?
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:54 PM, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: The LSA microfilm lending library lists the following, HM Brown _Instrumental Music Printed before 1600_ seems to have missed it entirely, a rare failure for HMB; unless it is manuscript... Possible it is an edition of Fronimo with a veriant title page? [0479]GALILEI, VINCENZO. 1584. _Libro d'intavolatura._ [Italian tab for 6c lute.] Fronimo's second edition is 1584, I suppose the LSA listing 'abbreviated' this title to Libro d'intavolatura. So far I have found Brown to be reliable, though not always complete, it must be said. Somebody volunteering for a major update, including tablatures after 1600, perhaps ... David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: missing in Brown?
It's a manuscript in Florence library Dana. There's a SPES edition of it. Contains the longest piece in lutedom. I've been wanting to put my hands on it for years. Not available for ILL in whole of Europe it seems. Alas, one day I hope ... G. - Original Message - From: dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: [LUTE] missing in Brown? The LSA microfilm lending library lists the following, HM Brown _Instrumental Music Printed before 1600_ seems to have missed it entirely, a rare failure for HMB; unless it is manuscript... Possible it is an edition of Fronimo with a veriant title page? [0479] GALILEI, VINCENZO. 1584. _Libro d'intavolatura._ [Italian tab for 6c lute.] Someone on the list familiar with it? -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: missing in Brown?
What we have now is an autograph score (271 pgs, quarto) of Libro d'intavolatura di liuto, ... Vincenzo Galilei ... 1584 as it may have been sent to the printer but no record of its publishing. According to the introduction it is currently in the Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Firenze: Fondo Anteriori a Galileo 6. The facsimile was published by SPES in 1992. There is probably some grey area as to whether this is a first publication or a reimpression. It was available from OMI. Over to you Arthur g Sean On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:54 PM, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: The LSA microfilm lending library lists the following, HM Brown _Instrumental Music Printed before 1600_ seems to have missed it entirely, a rare failure for HMB; unless it is manuscript... Possible it is an edition of Fronimo with a veriant title page? [0479] GALILEI, VINCENZO. 1584. _Libro d'intavolatura._ [Italian tab for 6c lute.] Someone on the list familiar with it? -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
On Jan 18, 2009, at 1:11 PM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: I don't know why the world of classical guitar is of such interest to this list Perhaps because 90% of us are or have been classical guitarists? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: missing in Brown?
PS. There is also a modern edition of (only) the Galliards contained therein: Le gagliarde dal Libro d'intavolatura di liuto (Gal. 6) : edizione critica con intavolature per liuto e con trascrizione in notazione moderna / Vincenzo Galilei ; a cura di Giulia Perni. - Pisa : Edizioni ETS, c2000. - xxx s., 251 s. of music, 30 cm.. - (Studi musicali toscani. Musiche ; 1) ISBN: 8846703332 G. - Original Message - From: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: missing in Brown? It's a manuscript in Florence library Dana. There's a SPES edition of it. Contains the longest piece in lutedom. I've been wanting to put my hands on it for years. Not available for ILL in whole of Europe it seems. Alas, one day I hope ... G. - Original Message - From: dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:54 PM Subject: [LUTE] missing in Brown? The LSA microfilm lending library lists the following, HM Brown _Instrumental Music Printed before 1600_ seems to have missed it entirely, a rare failure for HMB; unless it is manuscript... Possible it is an edition of Fronimo with a veriant title page? [0479] GALILEI, VINCENZO. 1584. _Libro d'intavolatura._ [Italian tab for 6c lute.] Someone on the list familiar with it? -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Well- what heights, exactly was it up to; and where precisely has it slipped today? Is there some higher orbit that it was supposed to attain, other than where it is now? It seems to me that it went from close to nowhere (early 20th century) and finally reached a proper level, (Thank you, Tarrega, Miguel Llobet, Andres, Julian, Alirio Diaz, et al) at which point things level out- very logical in the normal course of events. Hell, it's not supposed to be a real-estate or other such bubble- those things just crash and burn. That's not happening by a long shot. And where is the lute world today by comparison, if this is not too much of an attempt to measure apples against oranges? (Maybe it is.) As to bland, I disagree- listen to David Starobin's stuff, he's not the only one, either. Me, I simply prefer the lute its entire milieu as a matter of who I am musically; but for my listening pleasure all good guitarists of all genres hold up very well- Jazz, blues, Gypsy jazz, Latin American, even Classical. Recently I heard some Astor Piazzola (some original guitar, some very well transcribed pieces) that I love so much I may try to get and desecrate on the Renaissance lute. First time since I did Dave Van Ronk's St. Louis Tickle in 1976 on an 8-course lute at an LSA Seminar that I've even wanted to play relatively modern guitar music. Incidentally, Villa Lobos' Etude #1 is a dynamite arpeggio exercise for the bass viola da gamba (OT- Sorry!) Dan I don't know why the world of classical guitar is of such interest to this list - although I believe it's natural to be interested and a little envious of a more sucessful and accomplished cousin. Joseph Mayes chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry to be a downer but I'm afraid, despite the awesome technical abilities of many performers today, that the CG world is slipping from the heights it attained in the mid 20th century once more into the cultural wasteland of vapidity. Just goes to show that awesome technical ability doth not culture make. I don't think it's just the guitar players (although I agree that the CG world is more bland nowadays than it was in the old days). I think classical music in general has slipped from the sad heights it occupied in the early to mid 20th C. IMO the more that traditional culture slips through our fingers, the more we rely upon note machines, human or otherwise, to carry our music for us. It's a sad state of affairs. Personally, I blame Paganini. ;-) DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
And where among the apples and oranges do you place G. Sollscher's altgitarr, Blanchette's archguitar, harp-guitars, etc.etc. ? G. - Original Message - From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@comcast.net To: Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:40 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)' Well- what heights, exactly was it up to; and where precisely has it slipped today? Is there some higher orbit that it was supposed to attain, other than where it is now? It seems to me that it went from close to nowhere (early 20th century) and finally reached a proper level, (Thank you, Tarrega, Miguel Llobet, Andres, Julian, Alirio Diaz, et al) at which point things level out- very logical in the normal course of events. Hell, it's not supposed to be a real-estate or other such bubble- those things just crash and burn. That's not happening by a long shot. And where is the lute world today by comparison, if this is not too much of an attempt to measure apples against oranges? (Maybe it is.) As to bland, I disagree- listen to David Starobin's stuff, he's not the only one, either. Me, I simply prefer the lute its entire milieu as a matter of who I am musically; but for my listening pleasure all good guitarists of all genres hold up very well- Jazz, blues, Gypsy jazz, Latin American, even Classical. Recently I heard some Astor Piazzola (some original guitar, some very well transcribed pieces) that I love so much I may try to get and desecrate on the Renaissance lute. First time since I did Dave Van Ronk's St. Louis Tickle in 1976 on an 8-course lute at an LSA Seminar that I've even wanted to play relatively modern guitar music. Incidentally, Villa Lobos' Etude #1 is a dynamite arpeggio exercise for the bass viola da gamba (OT- Sorry!) Dan I don't know why the world of classical guitar is of such interest to this list - although I believe it's natural to be interested and a little envious of a more sucessful and accomplished cousin. Joseph Mayes chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry to be a downer but I'm afraid, despite the awesome technical abilities of many performers today, that the CG world is slipping from the heights it attained in the mid 20th century once more into the cultural wasteland of vapidity. Just goes to show that awesome technical ability doth not culture make. I don't think it's just the guitar players (although I agree that the CG world is more bland nowadays than it was in the old days). I think classical music in general has slipped from the sad heights it occupied in the early to mid 20th C. IMO the more that traditional culture slips through our fingers, the more we rely upon note machines, human or otherwise, to carry our music for us. It's a sad state of affairs. Personally, I blame Paganini. ;-) DR dlu...@verizon.net To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Daniel Winheld wrote: Recently I heard some Astor Piazzola (some original guitar, some very well transcribed pieces) that I love so much I may try to get and desecrate on the Renaissance lute. Piazzolo - all clenched and seething (or then again, gushing) would be a strange thing on the ethereal lute. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Stuart Walsh wrote: Daniel Winheld wrote: Recently I heard some Astor Piazzola (some original guitar, some very well transcribed pieces) that I love so much I may try to get and desecrate on the Renaissance lute. Piazzolo - all clenched and seething (or then again, gushing) would be a strange thing on the ethereal lute. Even more to the point: Piazzolla...!! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: missing in Brown?
You are indeed correct, Howard didn't miss much. And it's amazing how thorough were his searches at a time when the first volume in RISM had just appeared. The Sulzbachius Francesco print was entirely unknown until 1970, except for a mention (along with mention of Petrucci's Libro terzo) in a very obscure handwritten list of old books made in 1586 (the Herwarth bequest). I never expected that an actual copy would appear out of the blue. He missed the 1530 print of Francesco's music, the undated one, which he placed circa 1540s (see BrownI 154?/4). And as Rick Falkenstein discovered the 1566 print of music by Francesco, edited by his student Pierino Fiorentino, dates from 1546, NOT 1566. And Brown only knew of an incomplete copy of the print containing only four folios. He missed a guitar tablature ca. 1590 publ. by Vincenzo in Venice with music by (!!!g!!!) Giuliani. And I don't know how he missed it, because he picked up a title that was just above it in the list he consulted. And so forth. He did not miss the Galilei book, because it is a manuscript of some 300 pages. With zillions of passamezzo/gagliarda pairs. It is said to be in Galilei's handwriting. Florence, Biblioteca nazionale centrale, Fondo Ant. a Galilei 6. The titlepage reads: Libro d'intauolatura di liuto, nel quale si contengono . . . scritto l'anno 1584. The titlepage sounds like it was intended for a printed edition. But none is known, if indeed the pieces ever saw print. Luca mentioned this manuscript in regard to pieces by Santino Garsi da Parma. Some of his pieces appear in the section titled Gagliarde ed arie di diuersi, starting on page 243. The authorship of those pieces was unknown to the compilors of the facsimile edition (L. Alvini, M. Casellani and P. Paolini for SPES, 1992), and they were unknown to Victor Coehlo and Dieter Kirsch, as well. Some pieces from it were published in the 1930s, and one of the Respighi pieces is from it (page 189), the Gagliarda Polymnia the second item in Respighi's first suite.*** Polymnia is the muse of sacred music, and that accounts for the gagliard's unusally extended polyphony; the tune even gets lost in an inner voice. (But POD found it all right.g) I have started a bibliography of printed lute music after 1600, although I will be unable to give a table of contents for each source. http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/id23.html ***Respighi casts it in an ABA form, with the B section being from an entirely unrealated source, a German lute book copied in Nuremberg (publ. by Chilesotti). It is a bagpipe piece and anonymous. So it is incorrect to attribute it to Galilei, as do so many guitarists. =AJN (Boston, Mass.)= My Web Page: Scores http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ Other Matters: http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/musexx/ === - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: missing in Brown? | On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:54 PM, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: | The LSA microfilm lending library lists the following, HM Brown | _Instrumental Music Printed before 1600_ seems to have missed it entirely, | a rare failure for HMB; unless it is manuscript... Possible it is an | edition of Fronimo with a veriant title page? | | [0479]GALILEI, VINCENZO. 1584. _Libro d'intavolatura._ [Italian tab | for 6c lute.] | | Fronimo's second edition is 1584, I suppose the LSA listing | 'abbreviated' this title to Libro d'intavolatura. So far I have found | Brown to be reliable, though not always complete, it must be said. | Somebody volunteering for a major update, including tablatures after | 1600, perhaps ... | | David | | | -- | *** | David van Ooijen | davidvanooi...@gmail.com | www.davidvanooijen.nl | *** | | | | To get on or off this list see list information at | http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html |
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
No idea- that completely upsets the fruit cart. Specialty seasonal food section, or the open can of worms dept. (should have kept my damn mouth shut). Dan And where among the apples and oranges do you place G. Sollscher's altgitarr, Blanchette's archguitar, harp-guitars, etc.etc. ? G. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Daniel Winheld wrote: Recently I heard some Astor Piazzola (some original guitar, some very well transcribed pieces) that I love so much I may try to get and desecrate on the Renaissance lute. Piazzolo - all clenched and seething (or then again, gushing) would be a strange thing on the ethereal lute. No doubt. Maybe there's a reason I haven't acted on that project yet. Then again, imagine some of Albert de Rippe's most anguished fantasies (No. 22 in the CNRS edition for example) redone by G. A. Terzi or Kapsberger in a fit of rage- something could be possible. The two pieces I'm bitten by are Triston and Verano Porteno- that's the crazy one. - Dan -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: There is a traitor in our midst!
Just flat-out beautiful. There is also at least one good jazz ukeist (Ukenist?) Lyle Ritz, I have a CD of him playing to his own double-tracked acoustic stand up bass accompaniment.Dan My first instrument - when I was eight years old...my life must be drawing full circle...and coming to an end!!! Hopefully not for a while... Rob -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] 4 courses and a bit of ham
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[LUTE] Re: 4 courses and a bit of ham
Actually, it looked like 3 strings to me. And quite some ham. Amazing. Best, Chris. damian dlugolecki dam...@teleport.com 1/18/2009 9:20 PM [1]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4a_1231249875 -- References 1. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4a_1231249875 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
Hi Joe, No envy here. No Schadenfreude, either. It turns out that our seemingly more succussful and accomplished cousin, musically mortgaged to the hilt in the best of times, is going to face some really hard times in the future. Can't take joy in that prospect. Really, if you were the chair of a music department and you were forced by budget cuts to eliminate a position, would you choose to fire the piano professor, the choral conductor, the theory teacher or the guitar guy? You'd quickly realize that the world can do without yet another 20 student versions of Leyenda (and 20 students who don't know that the title of their favorite piece isn't even Leyenda). I wish guitarists all the best of luck - I'm one of them! Unfortunately, lack of a really significant solo repertoire coupled with the absence of an integral ensemble role means that things look bleak. What's worse is that guitarists have no one but themselves to blame for it all. Chris --- Mayes, Joseph ma...@rowan.edu wrote: I don't know why the world of classical guitar is of such interest to this list - although I believe it's natural to be interested and a little envious of a more sucessful and accomplished cousin. Joseph Mayes __ From: David Rastall [mailto:dlu...@verizon.net] Sent: Sun 1/18/2009 2:45 PM To: chriswi...@yahoo.com Cc: Lute List (E-mail) Subject: [LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)' On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:37 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry to be a downer but I'm afraid, despite the awesome technical abilities of many performers today, that the CG world is slipping from the heights it attained in the mid 20th century once more into the cultural wasteland of vapidity. Just goes to show that awesome technical ability doth not culture make. I don't think it's just the guitar players (although I agree that the CG world is more bland nowadays than it was in the old days). I think classical music in general has slipped from the sad heights it occupied in the early to mid 20th C. IMO the more that traditional culture slips through our fingers, the more we rely upon note machines, human or otherwise, to carry our music for us. It's a sad state of affairs. Personally, I blame Paganini. ;-) DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 'notable composers (lute, vihuela and guitar)'
On Jan 18, 2009, at 10:16 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: ...No envy here. Me neither. As a player on both instruments I'm not exactly in competition with myself! ...You'd quickly realize that the world can do without yet another 20 student versions of Leyenda (and 20 students who don't know that the title of their favorite piece isn't even Leyenda). Not to mention another 20 student versions of the Moonlight Etude. Davidr dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
