[BAROQUE-LUTE] baroque lute song?
Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) This also begs the question - what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? cheers trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: baroque lute song?
Baroque lutes _were_ being used to accompany singers. Weiss wrote in a letter, IIRC, that he quite successfully used a swanneck onstage. On the other hand, baroque lieder, songs and arias were notated in staff notation with thorough bass, so that the accompaniment could be executed on any instrument. That's why no songs with tablatures for the lute have survived. There are songs with tablatures for English theorbo, though. From the rococo era, some lieder with tabs for the mandora have survived, too. Mathias theoj89...@aol.com schrieb: Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) This also begs the question - what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? cheers trj To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: baroque lute song?
There are some, notably the few vocal items in the Augsburg Mss, and the dreaded Beyer collection. There is also - http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html RT - Original Message - From: theoj89...@aol.com To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:42 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] baroque lute song? Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) This also begs the question - what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? cheers trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: baroque lute song?
I checked my collection, but it's all pretty ominous...;-((( http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html I have quite a few on the subject of evil mothers-in-law...;-)) RT Dear friends, do you know any songs for baroque lute, theorbo with soprano or countertenor or both, for the special occasion which is wedding? Grzegorz Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 14:42 theoj89...@aol.com napisał(a): Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) This also begs the question - what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? cheers trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song?
Some from them sounds suspiciously like bandoras songs which I had pleasure heard in Lviv. G Dnia 17-06-2009 o godz. 0:03 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): Look in http://www.torban.org/pisni/ ;-) RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Odp: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Fantastic, do you have more them? May I please? G Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 23:47 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/ojprjadu.pdf there is one. FG - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: theoj89294 theoj89...@aol.com; BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Really nobody know any happies songs for lute in weddings special day? Thanks Roman, for mothers-in-law is could be useful:) Is it on polyhymnion web page? GJ Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 22:32 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): I checked my collection, but it's all pretty ominous...;-((( http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html I have quite a few on the subject of evil mothers-in-law...;-)) RT Dear friends, do you know any songs for baroque lute, theorbo with soprano or countertenor or both, for the special occasion which is wedding? Grzegorz Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 14:42 theoj89...@aol.com napisał(a): Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) This also begs the question - what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? cheers trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 Życie to gra? Powiedz co myślisz i wygraj cenne nagrody Kliknij: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fbadanie06.htmlsid=766 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song?
There are also 17th century kanty, both sacred and secular. I have a great a capella wedding song for 3 voices item from 1680, if you are interested. Bandurists tend to appropriate anything they can, including Holborne. RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Odp: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Some from them sounds suspiciously like bandoras songs which I had pleasure heard in Lviv. G Dnia 17-06-2009 o godz. 0:03 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): Look in http://www.torban.org/pisni/ ;-) RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Odp: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Fantastic, do you have more them? May I please? G Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 23:47 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/ojprjadu.pdf there is one. FG - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: theoj89294 theoj89...@aol.com; BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Really nobody know any happies songs for lute in weddings special day? Thanks Roman, for mothers-in-law is could be useful:) Is it on polyhymnion web page? GJ Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 22:32 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): I checked my collection, but it's all pretty ominous...;-((( http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html I have quite a few on the subject of evil mothers-in-law...;-)) RT Dear friends, do you know any songs for baroque lute, theorbo with soprano or countertenor or both, for the special occasion which is wedding? Grzegorz Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 14:42 theoj89...@aol.com napisał(a): Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) This also begs the question - what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? cheers trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 Życie to gra? Powiedz co myślisz i wygraj cenne nagrody Kliknij: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fbadanie06.htmlsid=766 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song?
I heard one guy, who played and sang well. He learned in Kiev special school for bandurist and now he know few hard songs (in polish language called Duma) and teach some boys in Lviv. His songs was not sugary. GJ Dnia 17-06-2009 o godz. 0:23 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): Those are rarely a pleasure to hear, as they mostly play sugary 20th century fare. RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Some from them sounds suspiciously like bandoras songs which I had pleasure heard in Lviv. G Dnia 17-06-2009 o godz. 0:03 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): Look in http://www.torban.org/pisni/ ;-) RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Odp: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Fantastic, do you have more them? May I please? G Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 23:47 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/ojprjadu.pdf there is one. FG - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: theoj89294 theoj89...@aol.com; BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Really nobody know any happies songs for lute in weddings special day? Thanks Roman, for mothers-in-law is could be useful:) Is it on polyhymnion web page? GJ Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 22:32 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): I checked my collection, but it's all pretty ominous...;-((( http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html I have quite a few on the subject of evil mothers-in-law...;-)) RT Dear friends, do you know any songs for baroque lute, theorbo with soprano or countertenor or both, for the special occasion which is wedding? Grzegorz Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 14:42 theoj89...@aol.com napisał(a): Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) This also begs the question - what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? cheers trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 Życie to gra? Powiedz co myślisz i wygraj cenne nagrody Kliknij: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fbadanie06.htmlsid=766 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 Życie to gra? Powiedz co myślisz i wygraj cenne nagrody Kliknij: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fbadanie06.htmlsid=766
[LUTE] Cantio Ruthenica LXXXVI Eroica
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/243.mp3 http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/243H.mp3 Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: First lute advice
On Jun 16, 2009, at 3:49 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: I know I am sticking my neck way out here, but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents - let the flames begin! As I see it, in the early days of both lute and guitar, the technique was largely the same: thumb-under, pinky on the soundboard, etc. As time passed, and both music and the technique to play that music evolved, lute technique moved toward what purists consider Guitar technique that is, thumb-out, alternating between index and middle, etc. The guitar continued in an almost unbroken chain of development to the present day, while the lute, its players and its music went away. Ergo, one can think of modern guitar technique as evolved lute technique. There is no difference in lute set-up to use guitar technique. I have never heard of a luthier being asked to accommodate a different style of play in the string spacing at the bridge. Unless Ed Durbrow was thinking of plectrum playing - then I must admit complete ignorance. I was thinking of classical guitar technique alla Bream. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hard shell lute cases for air travel
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009, angevin...@att.net said: So what I wonder is this. Does anybody know of a company Kingham seems to have a good share of the market with a sterling reputation from what I have seen over several decades. Makes cases for many makers, including David van Edwards. See the website for details, they encourage custom work. Mention themaker and model, they may have experience with it before; but also do the tracing thing as they detail. If you have a webpress printer handy (I not only do but used to work there) you can probably get a 'butt' for free; when the paper rolls get too small to use at the beginning of a job they are replaced by full rolls and trashed; take one away and you save them some landfill cost and have at least a few yards of blank newsprint - wide paper good for templates of all kinds, scribble paper for visiting children, sewing projects, full size drawings of lute parts...Rolls are used in a variety of widths, weights, and paper quality. Inquire at the back door, be patient, unless you are lucky and catch them at break you will be interupting work. http://www.guitarplans.co.uk/FindACase/Kingham/KinghamIndex.htm yes, they are in england, and their work is not inexpensive. Your cases first trip will be empty. Frankly, I would opt for horsehair over foam if allowed; less formaldehyde fumes (foam takes months to cure). An aluminum exterior is tougher than fiberglass, fiberglass is lighter, but doesnt pass the gorilla test. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: baroque lute song?
On Jun 16, 2009, at 5:42 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) You're not looking in the right places. There are a few songs with tablature in d minor tuning. The ones I'm thinking of are mostly German chorale settings. what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? Nothing. What skews your observation is the change in notation. Publishers notated accompaniments in continuo instead of tablature. Basic continuo on the lute is not hard to learn, and there is considerable evidence that lute players learned it. Tablature had two commercial disadvantages. First, it made the music unattractive to keyboard players. Second, tablature in renaissance tuning made the music unattractive to lute players who strung their instruments in d minor tuning, or in one of the tunings we now call transitional. Exhibit A in this story is Constantijn Huygens' Pathodia sacra et profana occupati, a book of songs the Dutch composer wrote with tablature accompaniments and sent to Ballard in Paris in 1646 (Willem Mook, who has studied Huygens at some length, believes his instrument was a 12-course in renaissance tuning, but the tablature parts to Pathodia sacra are lost). Ballard's editor wrote to Huygens to say that Ballard wanted all the basses to be continuo and that none of them should be in tablature, and to ask that Huygens send continuo parts, which is how the book was published in 1647. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: First lute advice
But this is the last one, no? my former wife used to say 8) Mathias chriswi...@yahoo.com schrieb: Howard, I stick by my assertion, there's no such thing as a single lute. True, none of my instruments are joined in a civil union that is (at this time) legally recognized by any state, but they peacefully live together in a much larger commune than the singular number I had in mind when I first had the idea to get a lute. Chris --- On Tue, 6/16/09, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On the whole, I think Chris Wilke's remarks earlier today are fairly mainstream, except for the part about there's no such thing as a single lute. None of my lutes are married. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hard shell lute cases for air travel
Maybe I'm a belt and suspenders sort of person, due to my engineering background. But my lute(s) already HAVE Kingham cases. I'm looking for something way stronger and more sturdy. A year ago, when I last attempted to solve this problem, I even corresponded with them abit. They also make padded travel cases to go OVER the regular hard case. Can't remember if they have one for lute or not, but I don't see why it couldn't be done. But does anybody else out there really think that just a plywood case with a little foam on the inside is really enough to protect a fragile instrument in the hands of the airline baggage handlers Anybody out there who has actually successfully checked a Kingham case more than once and had it come out the other end OK? Suzanne -- Original message from dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us: -- On Mon, Jun 15, 2009, angevin...@att.net said: So what I wonder is this. Does anybody know of a company Kingham seems to have a good share of the market with a sterling reputation from what I have seen over several decades. Makes cases for many makers, including David van Edwards. See the website for details, they encourage custom work. Mention themaker and model, they may have experience with it before; but also do the tracing thing as they detail. If you have a webpress printer handy (I not only do but used to work there) you can probably get a 'butt' for free; when the paper rolls get too small to use at the beginning of a job they are replaced by full rolls and trashed; take one away and you save them some landfill cost and have at least a few yards of blank newsprint - wide paper good for templates of all kinds, scribble paper for visiting children, sewing projects, full size drawings of lute parts...Rolls are used in a variety of widths, weights, and paper quality. Inquire at the back door, be patient, unless you are lucky and catch them at break you will be interupting work. http://www.guitarplans.co.uk/FindACase/Kingham/KinghamIndex.htm yes, they are in england, and their work is not inexpensive. Your cases first trip will be empty. Frankly, I would opt for horsehair over foam if allowed; less formaldehyde fumes (foam takes months to cure). An aluminum exterior is tougher than fiberglass, fiberglass is lighter, but doesnt pass the gorilla test. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: baroque lute song?
On Jun 16, 2009, at 8:42 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) There are plenty of songs to be found in Baroque music: operas and oratorios are loaded with them. what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? The lute certainly was used to accompany the voice, but it was used as a continuo instrument. That's where the change took place: continuo became the universal style according to which all music was understood in the Baroque. David Rastall To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hard shell lute cases for air travel
All, I'm going through the same thing. Too many people are telling me that Kingham cases are no match for what the gorilla baggage-handlers can throw at them. I'm thinking of approaching guitar makers instead. My guitar is housed in a case made by a Canadian company called Calton, and it's the best guitar case I've ever seen. The only drawback is that for an archlute or theorbo, it could get heavy enough either to be difficult to carry or be too overweight for the airlines. Given the size of a theorbo or archlute and the bulk required of a case to protect it, I'm not sure if there is a way of getting around the problem. I'll let everyone know what I find out. Best, Graham Freeman On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:54 AM, [1]angevin...@att.net wrote: Maybe I'm a belt and suspenders sort of person, due to my engineering background. But my lute(s) already HAVE Kingham cases. I'm looking for something way stronger and more sturdy. A year ago, when I last attempted to solve this problem, I even corresponded with them abit. They also make padded travel cases to go OVER the regular hard case. Can't remember if they have one for lute or not, but I don't see why it couldn't be done. But does anybody else out there really think that just a plywood case with a little foam on the inside is really enough to protect a fragile instrument in the hands of the airline baggage handlers Anybody out there who has actually successfully checked a Kingham case more than once and had it come out the other end OK? Suzanne -- Original message from [2]dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us: -- On Mon, Jun 15, 2009, [3]angevin...@att.net said: So what I wonder is this. Does anybody know of a company Kingham seems to have a good share of the market with a sterling reputation from what I have seen over several decades. Makes cases for many makers, including David van Edwards. See the website for details, they encourage custom work. Mention themaker and model, they may have experience with it before; but also do the tracing thing as they detail. If you have a webpress printer handy (I not only do but used to work there) you can probably get a 'butt' for free; when the paper rolls get too small to use at the beginning of a job they are replaced by full rolls and trashed; take one away and you save them some landfill cost and have at least a few yards of blank newsprint - wide paper good for templates of all kinds, scribble paper for visiting children, sewing projects, full size drawings of lute parts...Rolls are used in a variety of widths, weights, and paper quality. Inquire at the back door, be patient, unless you are lucky and catch them at break you will be interupting work. [4]http://www.guitarplans.co.uk/FindACase/Kingham/KinghamIndex.htm yes, they are in england, and their work is not inexpensive. Your cases first trip will be empty. Frankly, I would opt for horsehair over foam if allowed; less formaldehyde fumes (foam takes months to cure). An aluminum exterior is tougher than fiberglass, fiberglass is lighter, but doesnt pass the gorilla test. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:angevin...@att.net 2. mailto:dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us 3. mailto:angevin...@att.net 4. http://www.guitarplans.co.uk/FindACase/Kingham/KinghamIndex.htm 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Daniel Desjardins?
All, Does anyone know how to get hold of Daniel Desjardins, a luthier from Montreal? I once played a lute that had a fantastic moulded case he made himself. If anyone has his contact info, I'd be grateful. Best, Graham Freeman -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hard shell lute cases for air travel
you can try Jiri Bednar in the czech republic http://www.ika.zrns.cz/catalog.eng/default.htm I have one of those for my archlute it works very well when flying. Good luck Patrik www.patrikkarlsson.se Its getting to be summer workshop season. I'm not going anywhere this year, but thinking ahead to next year. Air travel in the US has become nearly impossible, from what I can tell, at least on United, with a lute. Some people do it by only having a small 6 course lute that may fit in the overhead bin, whether its strictly legal or not. I've tried various things, including checking the lute in a custom built shipping crate, and also buying the lute a ticket (the airline's preferred option I'm sure.) The shipping crate is now large enough to invoke the oversize penalty fee, and if I'm not very careful how I pack it, maybe also the overweight penalty fee. I checked the United web site, and the current prices for these are $175 for over size, and $125 for overweight, and of course they are separate and you might be charged for both. Oh, and that's one way. That's a minimum of $350 for using my shipping crate, and a random ticket price for Cleveland (thinking LSA next summer) was around $400. Now the time I paid for a ticket for my lute, even though I called and booked through the United call center, they failed to give me/us bulkhead seats, which is a requirement when you are strapping in something like a lute case. And now, of course, to book directly through United costs an extra fee. :-( So what I wonder is this. Does anybody know of a company that will make custom fiberglass instrument cases, that might be able to make a lute case for checked baggage on the airlines? I have in mind the sort that you see cellos in that seem to be fiberglass on the outside, and custom shaped foam on the inside. Any thoughts? Suzanne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: First lute advice
Chris, when my former wife moved out, she took all the furniture. Said, I've got them lutes. Somehow, she was right. Yet, health insurance and lutes, you'll need both 8) Mathias . chriswi...@yahoo.com schrieb: Mathias, Yikes! I've heard that once or twice from my wife! I'd better come up with some other addiction. Let's see, how about gambling? Sounds cheaper than lutes. Chris - trying to convince the wife that a new baroque lute is at least as important or more important than having health insurance. --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice To: Lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:30 AM But this is the last one, no? my former wife used to say 8) Mathias [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com schrieb: Howard, I stick by my assertion, there's no such thing as a single lute. True, none of my instruments are joined in a civil union that is (at this time) legally recognized by any state, but they peacefully live together in a much larger commune than the singular number I had in mind when I first had the idea to get a lute. Chris --- On Tue, 6/16/09, howard posner [2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On the whole, I think Chris Wilke's remarks earlier today are fairly mainstream, except for the part about there's no such thing as a single lute. None of my lutes are married. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=chriswi...@yahoo.com 2. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=howardpos...@ca.rr.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Fuellana, fac simile on line
I don't know if you know this site but could interest some of you : Fuenllana, Miguel de: Libro de Mvsica para Vihuela. Enl ql se cotienen muchas y diuersas obras ... Sevilla, 1554. 366 pp. Available from Biblioteca de Andalucía. http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/cultura/bibliotecavirtualandalucia/aprende/obra.cmd?control=BVA20070002100 Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fuellana, fac simile on line
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009, Sauvage Valéry sauvag...@orange.fr said: I don't know if you know this site but could interest some of you : very interesting, unfortunatly its impossibly slooow to access from here in the US, maybe will be easier at some other time of day. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hard shell lute cases for air travel
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009, Graham Freeman freeman.gra...@gmail.com said: All, I'm going through the same thing. Too many people are telling me that Kingham cases are no match for what the gorilla baggage-handlers can throw at them. not that kingham cases are shabby, far from it, just that those gorillas, are well practiced at what they do. Rock stars travel lots more than we do, and their electronic toys need protection just as much as their instruments. The casemakers for amps and other such have met the gorilla challenge head on and some of them have had success. look online for reviews. sorry, no personal experience. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: First lute advice
It is much better to live without furniture. And the acoustics in the apartment would are a lot better that way. Thankfully both my wife and I hate furniture, and we had zen furnishings for years. RT - Original Message - From: Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de To: chriswi...@yahoo.com Cc: Lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice Chris, when my former wife moved out, she took all the furniture. Said, I've got them lutes. Somehow, she was right. Yet, health insurance and lutes, you'll need both 8) Mathias . chriswi...@yahoo.com schrieb: Mathias, Yikes! I've heard that once or twice from my wife! I'd better come up with some other addiction. Let's see, how about gambling? Sounds cheaper than lutes. Chris - trying to convince the wife that a new baroque lute is at least as important or more important than having health insurance. --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice To: Lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:30 AM But this is the last one, no? my former wife used to say 8) Mathias [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com schrieb: Howard, I stick by my assertion, there's no such thing as a single lute. True, none of my instruments are joined in a civil union that is (at this time) legally recognized by any state, but they peacefully live together in a much larger commune than the singular number I had in mind when I first had the idea to get a lute. Chris --- On Tue, 6/16/09, howard posner [2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On the whole, I think Chris Wilke's remarks earlier today are fairly mainstream, except for the part about there's no such thing as a single lute. None of my lutes are married. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=chriswi...@yahoo.com 2. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=howardpos...@ca.rr.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: First lute advice
Hi Mathias, Chris, and all, My instrument addiction is further-ranging, including Chinese instruments, antique guitars, etc., but equally maritally challenging. I've pointed out that it's a mid-life-crisis kind of thing, and on the whole less disruptive (and expensive) than a Jaguar and a trophy wife. Best, and keep playing, Chris. Mathias Rösel mathias.roe...@t-online.de 6/16/2009 3:17 PM Chris, when my former wife moved out, she took all the furniture. Said, I've got them lutes. Somehow, she was right. Yet, health insurance and lutes, you'll need both 8) Mathias . chriswi...@yahoo.com schrieb: Mathias, Yikes! I've heard that once or twice from my wife! I'd better come up with some other addiction. Let's see, how about gambling? Sounds cheaper than lutes. Chris - trying to convince the wife that a new baroque lute is at least as important or more important than having health insurance. --- On Tue, 6/16/09, Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: From: Mathias Roesel mathias.roe...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice To: Lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:30 AM But this is the last one, no? my former wife used to say 8) Mathias [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com schrieb: Howard, I stick by my assertion, there's no such thing as a single lute. True, none of my instruments are joined in a civil union that is (at this time) legally recognized by any state, but they peacefully live together in a much larger commune than the singular number I had in mind when I first had the idea to get a lute. Chris --- On Tue, 6/16/09, howard posner [2]howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On the whole, I think Chris Wilke's remarks earlier today are fairly mainstream, except for the part about there's no such thing as a single lute. None of my lutes are married. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=chriswi...@yahoo.com 2. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=howardpos...@ca.rr.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion
Dear friends, do you know any songs for lute with soprano or only lute pieces, wrotes for the wedding special occasion? Grzegorz Heineken Open'er Festival 2009. 2-5.07.2009 Gdynia. Poznaj wszystkie gwiazdy: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fopener.wp.plsid=759 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion
http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/240.pdfIs a wedding song. There is a youtube video of another version of the same sung by Nadia Tarnawska with Brian Kay on theorbo. Nadia sang in in NYC on saturday, sadly without the theorbo.Ой гиля-гиля Гусоньки на Став Добрий вечір, Дівчино, бо я ще й не спав – 2 Ой не спав не спав не буду спати Дай же мені, Дівчино, повечеряти – 2 В мене вечеря Рибка Печена Задля Тебе, Серденько, приготована – 2 Як готовила усміxалася Все на Тебе, Серденько, сподівалася – 2RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion Dear friends, do you know any songs for lute with soprano or only lute pieces, wrotes for the wedding special occasion? Grzegorz Heineken Open'er Festival 2009. 2-5.07.2009 Gdynia. Poznaj wszystkie gwiazdy: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fopener.wp.plsid=759 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song?
There are serious people, to be sure. But they are few and far in-between. BTW, this is my friend Julian Kytasty explaining the Duma structure in English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws_wEA9pkHIfeature=channel_page RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? I heard one guy, who played and sang well. He learned in Kiev special school for bandurist and now he know few hard songs (in polish language called Duma) and teach some boys in Lviv. His songs was not sugary. GJ Dnia 17-06-2009 o godz. 0:23 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): Those are rarely a pleasure to hear, as they mostly play sugary 20th century fare. RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Some from them sounds suspiciously like bandoras songs which I had pleasure heard in Lviv. G Dnia 17-06-2009 o godz. 0:03 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): Look in http://www.torban.org/pisni/ ;-) RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Odp: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Fantastic, do you have more them? May I please? G Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 23:47 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): http://www.torban.org/pisni/images/ojprjadu.pdf there is one. FG - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: theoj89294 theoj89...@aol.com; BAROQUE-LUTE baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: baroque lute song? Really nobody know any happies songs for lute in weddings special day? Thanks Roman, for mothers-in-law is could be useful:) Is it on polyhymnion web page? GJ Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 22:32 Roman Turovsky napisał(a): I checked my collection, but it's all pretty ominous...;-((( http://www.polyhymnion.org/lieder/german.html I have quite a few on the subject of evil mothers-in-law...;-)) RT Dear friends, do you know any songs for baroque lute, theorbo with soprano or countertenor or both, for the special occasion which is wedding? Grzegorz Dnia 16-06-2009 o godz. 14:42 theoj89...@aol.com napisał(a): Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) This also begs the question - what changed so that the baroque lute was not popularly used to accompany voice? cheers trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 Życie to gra? Powiedz co myślisz i wygraj cenne nagrody Kliknij: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fbadanie06.htmlsid=766 19 Międzynarodowy Festiwal Teatralny MALTA, Poznań 23-27/06. W programie m.in. Nine Inch Nails i Jane's Addiction z Peaches. - Szczegóły: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fnin.htmlsid=763 Życie to gra? Powiedz co myślisz i wygraj cenne nagrody Kliknij: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fcorto.www.wp.pl%2Fas%2Fbadanie06.htmlsid=766
[LUTE] Re: Hard shell cases for air travel
This comes up periodically, so search the archives. I don't have time for the full lecture but a summary: Choosing a case requires a bit of thinking about what you are trying to do. Simply getting a hard shell case doesn't solve everything. A case can provide some or all the following: * moisture protection * thermal protection * puncture protection * impact protection The last is frequently the main problem. An improperly fitted hard shell case will provide puncture protection but not necessarily impact protection. If the lute can shift in the case, and what stops it from moving is a peg or a base rider, they are in danger of being sheared off, even in a hard case. The usual proverb is that it is easy to pack a light bulb and easy to pack a hammer, but very difficult to pack a light bulb AND a hammer in the same package. Theorbos and such are a light bulb and a hammer, all in one convenient item. The neck is quite massive and if the instrument is held vertically and dropped and the only thing that can apply force to stop the neck is the join with the body, you have a recipe for splinters. You can solve almost anything with enough money, mass and padding. Most oboists just carry their instrument with them. But people who play traveling shows and play oboe, flute, sax and what have you, all in the same night, often have the instruments moved by the crew. I once saw an Anvil case for an oboe (about three times the size of a normal oboe case) demonstrated in a store. They put a brand new ($3K in 1980, $7K + now) Loree oboe in it and then knocked it off the display counter onto the floor. They oboe did better than the onlookers' nerves. ..Bob --- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8bVR7JJoLUfeature=channel_page RT - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net To: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl; lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/images/240.pdfIs a wedding song. There is a youtube video of another version of the same sung by Nadia Tarnawska with Brian Kay on theorbo. Nadia sang in in NYC on saturday, sadly without the theorbo. Ой гиля-гиля Гусоньки на Став Добрий вечір, Дівчино, бо я ще й не спав – 2 Ой не спав не спав не буду спати Дай же мені, Дівчино, повечеряти – 2 В мене вечеря Рибка Печена Задля Тебе, Серденько, приготована – 2 Як готовила усміxалася Все на Тебе, Серденько, сподівалася – 2RT - Original Message - From: Grzegorz Joachimiak gjoachim...@wp.pl To: lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] lute songs or pieces for wedding occasion Dear friends, do you know any songs for lute with soprano or only lute pieces, wrotes for the wedding special occasion? Grzegorz Heineken Open'er Festival 2009. 2-5.07.2009 Gdynia. Poznaj wszystkie gwiazdy: http://klik.wp.pl/?adr=http%3A%2F%2Fopener.wp.plsid=759 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Daza, fac simile on line
Daza : Daza, Estebán: Libro de musica en cifras para vihuela, intitulado el Parnasso. [Valladolid], 1576. [243] pp. Available from Nacional de Portugal. http://purl.pt/765 Subject: [LUTE] Fuellana, fac simile on line I don't know if you know this site but could interest some of you : Fuenllana, Miguel de: Libro de Mvsica para Vihuela. Enl ql se cotienen muchas y diuersas obras ... Sevilla, 1554. 366 pp. Available from Biblioteca de Andalucía. http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/cultura/bibliotecavirtualandalucia/aprende/obra.cmd?control=BVA20070002100 Val To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
