[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes
Hello Stuart: Since no one else seems to have answered your question, I'll contribute a few words. Tinctoris' mention of brass octave strings has been repeated willy-nilly throughout the spate of performer's guides to early music that have been published over the last twenty years or so, and it is even found in Matthew Spring's history of the lute. The information, as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950). I have this article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines' translation of the passage, quoted here: And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when conjoined to the first string. The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there is also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is added, tuned very deeply through an octave. Practically speaking, there is some ambiguity here, and the reference could just as well mean that brass was used in the lower octave rather than the upper. Then there is the possibility that what we see here is an early mention of brass overspun strings. I'm sure some string enthusiasts on this discussion list would have a thing or two to say about that. I hope this helps. RA Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:52:51 +0100 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes (perhaps this has been discussed before) Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass strings [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also very much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle Ages p.22, 1992). Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century). Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about? Stuart -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes
I am not a Latin scholar but the relevant passage reads as follows: His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt qui germanica inventione: gravissime quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem adjiciunt eneam: Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe suavior efficitur. Perhaps some one who knows some Latin could comment. Monica - Original Message - From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com To: s.wa...@ntlworld.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes Hello Stuart: Since no one else seems to have answered your question, I'll contribute a few words. Tinctoris' mention of brass octave strings has been repeated willy-nilly throughout the spate of performer's guides to early music that have been published over the last twenty years or so, and it is even found in Matthew Spring's history of the lute. The information, as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950). I have this article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines' translation of the passage, quoted here: And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when conjoined to the first string. The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there is also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is added, tuned very deeply through an octave. Practically speaking, there is some ambiguity here, and the reference could just as well mean that brass was used in the lower octave rather than the upper. Then there is the possibility that what we see here is an early mention of brass overspun strings. I'm sure some string enthusiasts on this discussion list would have a thing or two to say about that. I hope this helps. RA Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:52:51 +0100 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes (perhaps this has been discussed before) Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass strings [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also very much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle Ages p.22, 1992). Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century). Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about? Stuart -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes - testament of loading
It does translate as loading?, rather then a separate strings, which appears to prove Mimmo Peruffo's insight. alexander r. On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:00:00 +0100 Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I am not a Latin scholar but the relevant passage reads as follows: His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt qui germanica inventione: gravissime quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem adjiciunt eneam: Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe suavior efficitur. Perhaps some one who knows some Latin could comment. Monica - Original Message - From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com To: s.wa...@ntlworld.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:32 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes Hello Stuart: Since no one else seems to have answered your question, I'll contribute a few words. Tinctoris' mention of brass octave strings has been repeated willy-nilly throughout the spate of performer's guides to early music that have been published over the last twenty years or so, and it is even found in Matthew Spring's history of the lute. The information, as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950). I have this article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines' translation of the passage, quoted here: And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when conjoined to the first string. The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there is also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is added, tuned very deeply through an octave. Practically speaking, there is some ambiguity here, and the reference could just as well mean that brass was used in the lower octave rather than the upper. Then there is the possibility that what we see here is an early mention of brass overspun strings. I'm sure some string enthusiasts on this discussion list would have a thing or two to say about that. I hope this helps. RA Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:52:51 +0100 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes (perhaps this has been discussed before) Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass strings [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also very much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle Ages p.22, 1992). Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century). Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about? Stuart -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Mertel
Dear Friends, Yesterday I recorded the Mertel Prelude # 235, finishing a recording project that I have been working on for three years now. I shall be posting the remaining pieces during the next month on the Ning site. I wish to thank Gøran Crona for producing a beautifully legible version of a manuscript that is very difficult to read (how many hours must he have spent with a magnifying glass in hand to decipher those miniscule characters?), for correcting a number of misprints in the original, which proved very helpful, and for his skillful reconstruction of Prelude # 230, which now makes much more musical sense. I believe that the entire lute community owes him a great debt of gratitude. I also wish to thank those who repeatedly expressed their support and encouragement along the way and who always found something nice to say about my amateur recordings and even more amateur playing. It is a pleasure to me to have made friends in several different countries. Best regards to all, Stephen Arndt To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes
His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt qui germanica inventione: gravissim(a)e quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem adjiciunt (a)eneam: Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe suavior efficitur. If gravissime reads gravissimae and eneam reads aeneam, I'd render it as follows: To these strings, however, that are generally made of rams' guts, some, following a German invention, add to the lowest (string) a kind of a different string of ore which accords with it in in the octave. By this (added string) the harmony likewise gets not only stronger but also a good deal more pleasant. What I understand is this: Strings in general were made of sheep gut. Some players in Tinctoris' days added metal strings to their lowest courses (i. e. 5th courses), sounding the upper octave, so as to enhance and improve the sonority. Aenëus means ore in general, and bronze in particular. Other metals: Coppery is cyprius, brazen is aurichalcus (orichalcus), iron is ferreus. Mathias as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950). I have this article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines' translation of the passage, quoted here: And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when conjoined to the first string. The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there is also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is added, tuned very deeply through an octave. (perhaps this has been discussed before) Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass strings [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also very much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle Ages p.22, 1992). Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century). To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Mertel
Break out the champagne! Well done, Stephen. I'm VERY impressed you stayed the course, and your recordings are now the 'go to' database for anyone interested in this very attractive, yet curiously neglected, repertoire. Only one question remains - What next? Rob www.robmackillop.net On 9 Jul 2012, at 18:33, stephen arndt stephenwar...@verizon.net wrote: Dear Friends, Yesterday I recorded the Mertel Prelude # 235, finishing a recording project that I have been working on for three years now. I shall be posting the remaining pieces during the next month on the Ning site. I wish to thank Gøran Crona for producing a beautifully legible version of a manuscript that is very difficult to read (how many hours must he have spent with a magnifying glass in hand to decipher those miniscule characters?), for correcting a number of misprints in the original, which proved very helpful, and for his skillful reconstruction of Prelude # 230, which now makes much more musical sense. I believe that the entire lute community owes him a great debt of gratitude. I also wish to thank those who repeatedly expressed their support and encouragement along the way and who always found something nice to say about my amateur recordings and even more amateur playing. It is a pleasure to me to have made friends in several different countries. Best regards to all, Stephen Arndt To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes
Fascinating. Thanks for the replies. Stuart On 9 July 2012 18:38, Mathias Roesel [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de wrote: His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt qui germanica inventione: gravissim(a)e quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem adjiciunt (a)eneam: Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe suavior efficitur. If gravissime reads gravissimae and eneam reads aeneam, I'd render it as follows: To these strings, however, that are generally made of rams' guts, some, following a German invention, add to the lowest (string) a kind of a different string of ore which accords with it in in the octave. By this (added string) the harmony likewise gets not only stronger but also a good deal more pleasant. What I understand is this: Strings in general were made of sheep gut. Some players in Tinctoris' days added metal strings to their lowest courses (i. e. 5th courses), sounding the upper octave, so as to enhance and improve the sonority. Aeneus means ore in general, and bronze in particular. Other metals: Coppery is cyprius, brazen is aurichalcus (orichalcus), iron is ferreus. Mathias as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950). I have this article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines' translation of the passage, quoted here: And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when conjoined to the first string. The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there is also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is added, tuned very deeply through an octave. (perhaps this has been discussed before) Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass strings [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also very much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle Ages p.22, 1992). Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century). To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:mathias.roe...@t-online.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes
Musicians in the medieval and renaissance periods used all available string material, although it is likely that gut and wire were the most popular. This includes brass and earlier versions of drawn wire. Gold alloy strings were used on harpsichords, and lasted more or less forever, as they could be melted down and redrawn if they broke. Violinists are known to have used wire as well. Theoretically, a length of wire could be covered with gut or silk to produce a string with ideal properties, and strings used on some non-western instruments use this type of string--the wire is on the inside, so it does not affect the pluck. However, no one makes this lute string, although it would be easier to make than a lute. One could even take nylgut or nylon and use that as the wrapper to produce a durable substitute that would not have a transition effect like overspun strings. Also theoretically, had a such a string existed, which seems likely since it solves the diameter problem, the move to overspun strings could have been made simply because those strings were louder or easier to manufacture. The impetus to have louder strings of course was less of a problem than it is now, owing to the prevalent acoustic environment. Baroque instruments are far louder than they were even twenty years ago, as people use thinner bridges, heavier bows with more bow hair, and high tension strings on bowed instruments. My small archlute was loud enough in the 1980s, now it would be drowned out. As more and more information goes online, and is searchable, it becomes relatively easy to view historical performance practice, which until recently was available, but not instantly available worldwide. Basically, uniformity, whether it applies to technique, the sources of music and mss, strings or types of instruments, is a twentieth century phenomenon that has no basis in the historical record. Materials that were unavailable would be for example nylon, nylgut, carbon fiber, titanium, and so on. Just as original glues can create a very strong bond, so can original string materials create a strong sound. However, if you want loud, learn the tuba. dt --- On Sun, 7/8/12, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 2:52 PM (perhaps this has been discussed before) Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass strings [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also very much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle Ages p.22, 1992). Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century). Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about? Stuart -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes
Is the gut-wrapped wire you describe substantially different than Gamut's gimped gut, David? If not, the notion that no one makes this lute string isn't quite right. Personally, I'm very fond of the tone and functionality of Gamut's gimped strings. The biggest problem with them is that the wire is subject to tuning instability with changing temperature (as wire tends to be), and the gut is subject to tuning instability with changing humidity (as gut tends to be). Still, crank a peg and get on with it. I think the stuff sounds and feels quite good. http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/gimped-gut/ Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of David Tayler Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 3:48 PM To: lute Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes Musicians in the medieval and renaissance periods used all available string material, although it is likely that gut and wire were the most popular. This includes brass and earlier versions of drawn wire. Gold alloy strings were used on harpsichords, and lasted more or less forever, as they could be melted down and redrawn if they broke. Violinists are known to have used wire as well. Theoretically, a length of wire could be covered with gut or silk to produce a string with ideal properties, and strings used on some non-western instruments use this type of string--the wire is on the inside, so it does not affect the pluck. However, no one makes this lute string, although it would be easier to make than a lute. One could even take nylgut or nylon and use that as the wrapper to produce a durable substitute that would not have a transition effect like overspun strings. Also theoretically, had a such a string existed, which seems likely since it solves the diameter problem, the move to overspun strings could have been made simply because those strings were louder or easier to manufacture. The impetus to have louder strings of course was less of a problem than it is now, owing to the prevalent acoustic environment. Baroque instruments are far louder than they were even twenty years ago, as people use thinner bridges, heavier bows with more bow hair, and high tension strings on bowed instruments. My small archlute was loud enough in the 1980s, now it would be drowned out. As more and more information goes online, and is searchable, it becomes relatively easy to view historical performance practice, which until recently was available, but not instantly available worldwide. Basically, uniformity, whether it applies to technique, the sources of music and mss, strings or types of instruments, is a twentieth century phenomenon that has no basis in the historical record. Materials that were unavailable would be for example nylon, nylgut, carbon fiber, titanium, and so on. Just as original glues can create a very strong bond, so can original string materials create a strong sound. However, if you want loud, learn the tuba. dt --- On Sun, 7/8/12, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 2:52 PM (perhaps this has been discussed before) Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass strings [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also very much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle Ages p.22, 1992). Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century). Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about? Stuart -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] My 3rd Dubut ... ;-)
.. and a charming(?) Chaconne: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/45459264 Possible merits to Dubut, obvious faults to me ... :) Arto On 05/07/12 22:33, Arto Wikla wrote: .. another Dubut, a Sarabande:;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/45257093 Seems to be interesting composer! Arto On 04/07/12 20:26, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear b-lutenists, my first try to Pierre Dubut's (fils?) music is Gavotte(?) La Bergenorette, The Wagtail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be http://vimeo.com/45197590 Pierre seems to be an interesting and melodic composer. Little by little I start to understand, how different composers and styles there are even in the very hard core of the French baroque lute music! Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes
On 9 July 2012 21:48, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Theoretically, a length of wire could be covered with gut or silk to produce a string with ideal properties, and strings used on some non-western instruments use this type of string--the wire is on the inside, so it does not affect the pluck. However, no one makes this lute string, Dan Larson makes Gimpoed (gut on metal). Savarez makes gut on carbon (I'm sure I have the details wrong here, but that was what I was told and shown last week, but frankly, I wasn't all that interested ...) David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes
The quotation doesn't seem to be very precise on the way a wire was used. It could be a plain wire (rather unlikely), gimped gut (more likely), or gut on a plain wire (quite possible). The last option could make the most satisfactory solution to bass strings problem. On the other hand gimped strings are just one step from open wound basses. All the best Jaroslaw Wiadomość napisana przez Mathias Rösel w dniu 9 lip 2012, o godz. 19:38: His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt qui germanica inventione: gravissim(a)e quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem adjiciunt (a)eneam: Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe suavior efficitur. If gravissime reads gravissimae and eneam reads aeneam, I'd render it as follows: To these strings, however, that are generally made of rams' guts, some, following a German invention, add to the lowest (string) a kind of a different string of ore which accords with it in in the octave. By this (added string) the harmony likewise gets not only stronger but also a good deal more pleasant. What I understand is this: Strings in general were made of sheep gut. Some players in Tinctoris' days added metal strings to their lowest courses (i. e. 5th courses), sounding the upper octave, so as to enhance and improve the sonority. Aenëus means ore in general, and bronze in particular. Other metals: Coppery is cyprius, brazen is aurichalcus (orichalcus), iron is ferreus. Mathias as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950). I have this article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines' translation of the passage, quoted here: And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when conjoined to the first string. The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there is also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is added, tuned very deeply through an octave. (perhaps this has been discussed before) Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass strings [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also very much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle Ages p.22, 1992). Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century). To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Kazakh tune arr.lute and gittern
Eugene Kurenko uploaded a lovely five-course guitar version of a tune from Soviet era Kazakhstan. He also uploaded the sheet music. Here is a shot at the piano version, now on lute and gittern: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1- Stuart -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: My 3rd Dubut ... ;-)
... perhaps one - kind of cute - baroque Chaconne intersts also our only the vieil accord (= renaissance lute) oriented lutenists? If so, just take a look to: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be [2]http://vimeo.com/45459264 Not too polished, though - as seems to be the norm in my case ... ;-) Best, Arto Original Message Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] My 3rd Dubut ... ;-) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:12:27 +0300 From: Arto Wikla [3]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi To: [4]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu [5]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu . and a charming(?) Chaconne: [6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be [7]http://vimeo.com/45459264 Possible merits to Dubut, obvious faults to me ... :) Arto On 05/07/12 22:33, Arto Wikla wrote: .. another Dubut, a Sarabande:;-) [8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be [9]http://vimeo.com/45257093 Seems to be interesting composer! Arto On 04/07/12 20:26, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear b-lutenists, my first try to Pierre Dubut's (fils?) music is Gavotte(?) La Bergenorette, The Wagtail: [10]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be [11]http://vimeo.com/45197590 Pierre seems to be an interesting and melodic composer. Little by little I start to understand, how different composers and styles there are even in the very hard core of the French baroque lute music! Best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be 2. http://vimeo.com/45459264 3. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 4. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be 7. http://vimeo.com/45459264 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be 9. http://vimeo.com/45257093 10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be 11. http://vimeo.com/45197590 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html