[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-09 Thread Ron Andrico
   Hello Stuart:
   Since no one else seems to have answered your question, I'll contribute
   a few words.
   Tinctoris' mention of brass octave strings has been repeated
   willy-nilly throughout the spate of performer's guides to early music
   that have been published over the last twenty years or so, and it is
   even found in Matthew Spring's history of the lute.  The information,
   as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony
   Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et
   Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950).  I have this
   article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am
   told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines'
   translation of the passage, quoted here:
   And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be
   conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when
   conjoined
   to the first string.  The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there
   is
   also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is
   added, tuned very deeply through an octave.
   Practically speaking, there is some ambiguity here, and the reference
   could just as well mean that brass was used in the lower octave rather
   than the upper.  Then there is the possibility that what we see here is
   an early mention of brass overspun strings.  I'm sure some string
   enthusiasts on this discussion list would have a thing or two to say
   about that.
   I hope this helps.
   RA
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:52:51 +0100
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com
Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes
   
(perhaps this has been discussed before)
Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass
   strings
[on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by
means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also
   very
much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle
Ages p.22, 1992).
Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable
Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from
lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century).
Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about?
Stuart
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[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-09 Thread Monica Hall

I am not a Latin scholar but the relevant passage reads as follows:

His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt  qui 
germanica inventione:  gravissime quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem 
adjiciunt eneam:  Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe 
suavior efficitur.


Perhaps some one who knows some  Latin could comment.

Monica


- Original Message - 
From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com

To: s.wa...@ntlworld.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:32 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes



  Hello Stuart:
  Since no one else seems to have answered your question, I'll contribute
  a few words.
  Tinctoris' mention of brass octave strings has been repeated
  willy-nilly throughout the spate of performer's guides to early music
  that have been published over the last twenty years or so, and it is
  even found in Matthew Spring's history of the lute.  The information,
  as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony
  Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et
  Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950).  I have this
  article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am
  told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines'
  translation of the passage, quoted here:
  And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be
  conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when
  conjoined
  to the first string.  The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there
  is
  also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is
  added, tuned very deeply through an octave.
  Practically speaking, there is some ambiguity here, and the reference
  could just as well mean that brass was used in the lower octave rather
  than the upper.  Then there is the possibility that what we see here is
  an early mention of brass overspun strings.  I'm sure some string
  enthusiasts on this discussion list would have a thing or two to say
  about that.
  I hope this helps.
  RA
   Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:52:51 +0100
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com
   Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes
  
   (perhaps this has been discussed before)
   Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass
  strings
   [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by
   means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also
  very
   much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle
   Ages p.22, 1992).
   Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable
   Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from
   lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century).
   Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about?
   Stuart
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[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes - testament of loading

2012-07-09 Thread alexander

It does translate as loading?, rather then a separate strings, which appears to 
prove Mimmo Peruffo's insight.
alexander r.


On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:00:00 +0100
Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 I am not a Latin scholar but the relevant passage reads as follows:
 
 His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt  qui 
 germanica inventione:  gravissime quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem 
 adjiciunt eneam:  Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe 
 suavior efficitur.
 
 Perhaps some one who knows some  Latin could comment.
 
 Monica
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com
 To: s.wa...@ntlworld.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:32 PM
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes
 
 
Hello Stuart:
Since no one else seems to have answered your question, I'll contribute
a few words.
Tinctoris' mention of brass octave strings has been repeated
willy-nilly throughout the spate of performer's guides to early music
that have been published over the last twenty years or so, and it is
even found in Matthew Spring's history of the lute.  The information,
as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony
Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione et
Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950).  I have this
article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am
told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines'
translation of the passage, quoted here:
And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be
conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when
conjoined
to the first string.  The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but there
is
also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is
added, tuned very deeply through an octave.
Practically speaking, there is some ambiguity here, and the reference
could just as well mean that brass was used in the lower octave rather
than the upper.  Then there is the possibility that what we see here is
an early mention of brass overspun strings.  I'm sure some string
enthusiasts on this discussion list would have a thing or two to say
about that.
I hope this helps.
RA
 Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:52:51 +0100
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: s.wa...@ntlworld.com
 Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes

 (perhaps this has been discussed before)
 Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass
strings
 [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by
 means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also
very
 much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle
 Ages p.22, 1992).
 Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever reliable
 Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from
 lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century).
 Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about?
 Stuart
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[LUTE] Mertel

2012-07-09 Thread stephen arndt

Dear Friends,

Yesterday I recorded the Mertel Prelude # 235, finishing a recording project 
that I have been working on for three years now. I shall be posting the 
remaining pieces during the next month on the Ning site. I wish to thank 
Gøran Crona for producing a beautifully legible version of a manuscript that 
is very difficult to read (how many hours must he have spent with a 
magnifying glass in hand to decipher those miniscule characters?), for 
correcting a number of misprints in the original, which proved very helpful, 
and for his skillful reconstruction of Prelude # 230, which now makes much 
more musical sense. I believe that the entire lute community owes him a 
great debt of gratitude.


I also wish to thank those who repeatedly expressed their support and 
encouragement along the way and who always found something nice to say about 
my amateur recordings and even more amateur playing. It is a pleasure to me 
to have made friends in several different countries.


Best regards to all,

Stephen Arndt 




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[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-09 Thread Mathias Rösel
 His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt  qui
germanica
 inventione:  gravissim(a)e quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem
adjiciunt
 (a)eneam:  Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe
suavior
 efficitur.

If gravissime reads gravissimae and eneam reads aeneam, I'd render it as
follows:

To these strings, however, that are generally made of rams' guts, some,
following a German invention, add to the lowest (string) a kind of a
different string of ore which accords with it in in the octave. By this
(added string) the harmony likewise gets not only stronger but also a good
deal more pleasant.

What I understand is this: Strings in general were made of sheep gut. Some
players in Tinctoris' days added metal strings to their lowest courses (i.
e. 5th courses), sounding the upper octave, so as to enhance and improve the
sonority.

Aenëus means ore in general, and bronze in particular. 

Other metals: Coppery is cyprius, brazen is aurichalcus (orichalcus), iron
is ferreus.

Mathias



as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony
Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione
et
Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950).  I have this
article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am
told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines'
translation of the passage, quoted here:
And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be
conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when
conjoined
to the first string.  The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but
there
is
also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is
added, tuned very deeply through an octave.


 (perhaps this has been discussed before)
 Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass
strings
 [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by
 means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also
very
 much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle
 Ages p.22, 1992).
 Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever
reliable
 Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from
 lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century).




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[LUTE] Re: Mertel

2012-07-09 Thread Rob MacKillop
Break out the champagne! Well done, Stephen. I'm VERY impressed you stayed the 
course, and your recordings are now the 'go to' database for anyone interested 
in this very attractive, yet curiously neglected, repertoire.

Only one question remains - What next?

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

On 9 Jul 2012, at 18:33, stephen arndt stephenwar...@verizon.net wrote:

 Dear Friends,
 
 Yesterday I recorded the Mertel Prelude # 235, finishing a recording project 
 that I have been working on for three years now. I shall be posting the 
 remaining pieces during the next month on the Ning site. I wish to thank 
 Gøran Crona for producing a beautifully legible version of a manuscript that 
 is very difficult to read (how many hours must he have spent with a 
 magnifying glass in hand to decipher those miniscule characters?), for 
 correcting a number of misprints in the original, which proved very helpful, 
 and for his skillful reconstruction of Prelude # 230, which now makes much 
 more musical sense. I believe that the entire lute community owes him a great 
 debt of gratitude.
 
 I also wish to thank those who repeatedly expressed their support and 
 encouragement along the way and who always found something nice to say about 
 my amateur recordings and even more amateur playing. It is a pleasure to me 
 to have made friends in several different countries.
 
 Best regards to all,
 
 Stephen Arndt 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-09 Thread WALSH STUART
   Fascinating. Thanks for the replies.
   Stuart

   On 9 July 2012 18:38, Mathias Roesel [1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de
   wrote:

His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt  qui
   germanica

  inventione:  gravissim(a)e quandam aliam ei per diapason
 consonantem
 adjiciunt
  (a)eneam:  Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam
 longe
 suavior
  efficitur.
 If gravissime reads gravissimae and eneam reads aeneam, I'd render
 it as
 follows:
 To these strings, however, that are generally made of rams' guts,
 some,
 following a German invention, add to the lowest (string) a kind of a
 different string of ore which accords with it in in the octave. By
 this
 (added string) the harmony likewise gets not only stronger but also
 a good
 deal more pleasant.
 What I understand is this: Strings in general were made of sheep
 gut. Some
 players in Tinctoris' days added metal strings to their lowest
 courses (i.
 e. 5th courses), sounding the upper octave, so as to enhance and
 improve the
 sonority.
 Aeneus means ore in general, and bronze in particular.
 Other metals: Coppery is cyprius, brazen is aurichalcus
 (orichalcus), iron
 is ferreus.
 Mathias

   as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article
   Anthony
   Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De
   Inventione
   et
   Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950).  I have
   this
   article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but
   I am
   told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning
   Baines'
   translation of the passage, quoted here:
   And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string
   may be
   conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when
   conjoined
   to the first string.  The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but
   there
   is
   also the German invention in which another [set of] brass
   string[s] is
   added, tuned very deeply through an octave.

(perhaps this has been discussed before)
Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass
   strings
[on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an
   octave' by
means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but
   also
   very
much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the
   Middle
Ages p.22, 1992).
Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever
   reliable
Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from
lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century).

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[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-09 Thread David Tayler
Musicians in the medieval and renaissance periods used all available
   string material, although it is likely that gut and wire were the most
   popular.
   This includes brass and earlier versions of drawn wire.
   Gold alloy strings were used on harpsichords, and lasted more or less
   forever, as they could be melted down and redrawn if they broke.
   Violinists are known to have used wire as well.
   Theoretically, a length of wire could be covered with gut or silk  to
   produce a string with ideal properties, and strings used on some
   non-western instruments use this type of string--the wire is on the
   inside, so it does not affect the pluck. However, no one makes this
   lute string, although it would be easier to make than a lute. One could
   even take nylgut or nylon and use that as the wrapper to produce a
   durable substitute that would not have a transition effect like
   overspun strings.
   Also theoretically, had a such a string existed, which seems likely
   since it solves the diameter problem, the move to overspun strings
   could have been made simply because those strings were louder or easier
   to manufacture.
   The impetus to have louder strings of course was less of a problem than
   it is now, owing to the prevalent acoustic environment. Baroque
   instruments are far louder than they were even twenty years ago, as
   people use thinner bridges, heavier bows with more bow hair, and high
   tension strings on bowed instruments. My small archlute was loud enough
   in the 1980s, now it would be drowned out.
   As more and more information goes online, and is searchable, it becomes
   relatively easy to view historical performance practice, which until
   recently was available, but not instantly available worldwide.
   Basically, uniformity, whether it applies to technique, the sources of
   music and mss, strings or types of instruments, is a twentieth century
   phenomenon that has no basis in the historical record.
   Materials that were unavailable would be for example nylon, nylgut,
   carbon fiber, titanium, and so on.
   Just as original glues can create a very strong bond, so can original
   string materials create a strong sound. However, if you want loud,
   learn the tuba.
   dt
   --- On Sun, 7/8/12, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 From: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com
 Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes
 To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 2:52 PM

  (perhaps this has been discussed before)
  Tinctoris (c.1480) commented  on the German invention of brass
   strings
  [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by
  means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also
   very
  much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle
  Ages p.22, 1992).
  Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever
   reliable
  Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from
  lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century).
  Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about?
  Stuart
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[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-09 Thread Braig, Eugene
Is the gut-wrapped wire you describe substantially different than Gamut's 
gimped gut, David?  If not, the notion that no one makes this lute string 
isn't quite right.

Personally, I'm very fond of the tone and functionality of Gamut's gimped 
strings.  The biggest problem with them is that the wire is subject to tuning 
instability with changing temperature (as wire tends to be), and the gut is 
subject to tuning instability with changing humidity (as gut tends to be).  
Still, crank a peg and get on with it.  I think the stuff sounds and feels 
quite good.

http://gamutmusic.squarespace.com/gimped-gut/


Best,
Eugene


-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
David Tayler
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 3:48 PM
To: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

Musicians in the medieval and renaissance periods used all available
   string material, although it is likely that gut and wire were the most
   popular.
   This includes brass and earlier versions of drawn wire.
   Gold alloy strings were used on harpsichords, and lasted more or less
   forever, as they could be melted down and redrawn if they broke.
   Violinists are known to have used wire as well.
   Theoretically, a length of wire could be covered with gut or silk  to
   produce a string with ideal properties, and strings used on some
   non-western instruments use this type of string--the wire is on the
   inside, so it does not affect the pluck. However, no one makes this
   lute string, although it would be easier to make than a lute. One could
   even take nylgut or nylon and use that as the wrapper to produce a
   durable substitute that would not have a transition effect like
   overspun strings.
   Also theoretically, had a such a string existed, which seems likely
   since it solves the diameter problem, the move to overspun strings
   could have been made simply because those strings were louder or easier
   to manufacture.
   The impetus to have louder strings of course was less of a problem than
   it is now, owing to the prevalent acoustic environment. Baroque
   instruments are far louder than they were even twenty years ago, as
   people use thinner bridges, heavier bows with more bow hair, and high
   tension strings on bowed instruments. My small archlute was loud enough
   in the 1980s, now it would be drowned out.
   As more and more information goes online, and is searchable, it becomes
   relatively easy to view historical performance practice, which until
   recently was available, but not instantly available worldwide.
   Basically, uniformity, whether it applies to technique, the sources of
   music and mss, strings or types of instruments, is a twentieth century
   phenomenon that has no basis in the historical record.
   Materials that were unavailable would be for example nylon, nylgut,
   carbon fiber, titanium, and so on.
   Just as original glues can create a very strong bond, so can original
   string materials create a strong sound. However, if you want loud,
   learn the tuba.
   dt
   --- On Sun, 7/8/12, WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote:

 From: WALSH STUART s.wa...@ntlworld.com
 Subject: [LUTE] brass strings on 15th century lutes
 To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 2:52 PM

  (perhaps this has been discussed before)
  Tinctoris (c.1480) commented  on the German invention of brass
   strings
  [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by
  means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also
   very
  much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle
  Ages p.22, 1992).
  Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever
   reliable
  Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from
  lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century).
  Anyone know what Tinctoris is talking about?
  Stuart
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] My 3rd Dubut ... ;-)

2012-07-09 Thread Arto Wikla


.. and a charming(?) Chaconne:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be
  http://vimeo.com/45459264

Possible merits to Dubut, obvious faults to me ... :)

Arto

On 05/07/12 22:33, Arto Wikla wrote:


.. another Dubut, a Sarabande:;-)

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be
   http://vimeo.com/45257093

Seems to be interesting composer!

Arto

On 04/07/12 20:26, Arto Wikla wrote:

Dear b-lutenists,

my first try to Pierre Dubut's (fils?) music is Gavotte(?) La 
Bergenorette, The Wagtail:


  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be
  http://vimeo.com/45197590

Pierre seems to be an interesting and melodic composer. Little by 
little I start to understand, how different composers and styles 
there are even in the very hard core of the French baroque lute music!


Best,

Arto



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[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-09 Thread David van Ooijen
On 9 July 2012 21:48, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Theoretically, a length of wire could be covered with gut or silk  to
produce a string with ideal properties, and strings used on some
non-western instruments use this type of string--the wire is on the
inside, so it does not affect the pluck. However, no one makes this
lute string,

Dan Larson makes Gimpoed (gut on metal). Savarez makes gut on carbon
(I'm sure I have the details wrong here, but that was what I was told
and shown last week, but frankly, I wasn't all that interested ...)

David

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[LUTE] Re: brass strings on 15th century lutes

2012-07-09 Thread Jarosław Lipski
The quotation doesn't seem to be very precise on the way a wire was used. It 
could be a plain wire (rather unlikely), gimped gut (more likely), or gut on a 
plain wire (quite possible). The last option could make the most satisfactory 
solution to bass strings problem.  On the other hand gimped strings are just 
one step from open wound basses.

All the best

Jaroslaw


Wiadomość napisana przez Mathias Rösel w dniu 9 lip 2012, o godz. 19:38:

 His autem chordis ex arietum intestinus communiter factis: sunt  qui
 germanica
 inventione:  gravissim(a)e quandam aliam ei per diapason consonantem
 adjiciunt
 (a)eneam:  Qua concentus non modo itidem fortior. verum etiam longe
 suavior
 efficitur.
 
 If gravissime reads gravissimae and eneam reads aeneam, I'd render it as
 follows:
 
 To these strings, however, that are generally made of rams' guts, some,
 following a German invention, add to the lowest (string) a kind of a
 different string of ore which accords with it in in the octave. By this
 (added string) the harmony likewise gets not only stronger but also a good
 deal more pleasant.
 
 What I understand is this: Strings in general were made of sheep gut. Some
 players in Tinctoris' days added metal strings to their lowest courses (i.
 e. 5th courses), sounding the upper octave, so as to enhance and improve the
 sonority.
 
 Aenëus means ore in general, and bronze in particular. 
 
 Other metals: Coppery is cyprius, brazen is aurichalcus (orichalcus), iron
 is ferreus.
 
 Mathias
 
 
 
  as near as I can judge, seems to be derived from an article Anthony
  Baines, Fifteenth-Century Instruments in Tinctoris's _De Inventione
 et
  Usu Musicae_, Galpin Society Journal III, p19-26 (1950).  I have this
  article lying about somewhere and have quoted from it myself, but I am
  told some interpretive questions have been raised concerning Baines'
  translation of the passage, quoted here:
  And further, to provide a stronger sound, an additional string may be
  conjoined to any string and tuned to the octave, though not when
  conjoined
  to the first string.  The strings are generally of Ram's gut, but
 there
  is
  also the German invention in which another [set of] brass string[s] is
  added, tuned very deeply through an octave.
 
 
 (perhaps this has been discussed before)
 Tinctoris (c.1480) commented on the German invention of brass
  strings
 [on lutes] which were added 'tuned very deeply through an octave' by
 means of which 'the sound is rendered not only stronger, but also
  very
 much sweeter'. (Keith Polk, German Instrumental Music of the Middle
 Ages p.22, 1992).
 Polk, somewhere else in the same book, talks about the 'ever
 reliable
 Tinctoris'. I've never heard of wire-strung lutes (apart from
 lute-bodied citterns in the late 18th century).
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Kazakh tune arr.lute and gittern

2012-07-09 Thread WALSH STUART
   Eugene Kurenko uploaded a lovely five-course guitar version of a tune
   from Soviet era Kazakhstan.
   He also uploaded the sheet music.
   Here is a shot at the piano version, now on lute and gittern:
   [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-
   Stuart
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References

   1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-


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[LUTE] Re: My 3rd Dubut ... ;-)

2012-07-09 Thread Arto Wikla
   ... perhaps one - kind of cute - baroque Chaconne intersts also our
   only the vieil accord (= renaissance lute) oriented lutenists? If
   so, just take a look to:

 [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be
 [2]http://vimeo.com/45459264

   Not too polished, though - as seems to be the norm in my case  ... ;-)
   Best,
   Arto
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   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] My 3rd Dubut ... ;-)
  Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 23:12:27 +0300
  From: Arto Wikla [3]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
To: [4]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu [5]baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu

. and a charming(?) Chaconne:

  [6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be
  [7]http://vimeo.com/45459264

Possible merits to Dubut, obvious faults to me ... :)

Arto

On 05/07/12 22:33, Arto Wikla wrote:

 .. another Dubut, a Sarabande:;-)

[8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be
[9]http://vimeo.com/45257093

 Seems to be interesting composer!

 Arto

 On 04/07/12 20:26, Arto Wikla wrote:
 Dear b-lutenists,

 my first try to Pierre Dubut's (fils?) music is Gavotte(?) La
 Bergenorette, The Wagtail:

   [10]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be
   [11]http://vimeo.com/45197590

 Pierre seems to be an interesting and melodic composer. Little by
 little I start to understand, how different composers and styles
 there are even in the very hard core of the French baroque lute music!

 Best,

 Arto



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References

   1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be
   2. http://vimeo.com/45459264
   3. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi
   4. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   5. mailto:baroque-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v,Gi0bSx8lMfeature=youtu.be
   7. http://vimeo.com/45459264
   8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2oxieqoM6Ifeature=youtu.be
   9. http://vimeo.com/45257093
  10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km--kfnyXzYfeature=youtu.be
  11. http://vimeo.com/45197590
  12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html