[LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder

2019-08-17 Thread RCP
   Karen Meyers (Pan's Fancy) published 3 volumes of just such pieces for
   lute and recorder. I think they were once available from the Am lute
   soc. If you can't find them get back in touch with me.

   Bob Purrenhage

   On 8/17/2019 3:59 PM, Leonard Williams wrote:

   I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute accompanying
   recorder.  Any suggestions are welcome.
   Thanks and regards,
   Leonard Williams

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[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread howard posner
> On Aug 17, 2019, at 11:29 AM, Luca Manassero  wrote:
> 
>  if all chitarroni I see in museums had 6 single or double
>   courses (I think I remember one with seven fretted courses at the Cité
>   del la Musique in Paris, but I'm not sure thou), WHY ON EARTH do I see
>   almost all chitarroni with 8x1 fretted strings??

A modern theorbo player plays a wider variety of music than an Italian player 
in 1660 or a French player in 1700 would have played, and thus needs either to 
haul more than one theorbo around or have an instrument configured to be as 
versatile as possible. It’s similar to the reason so many harpsichords are made 
now with keyboards that transpose a semitone, something that wouldn’t have been 
useful in 1700.

There are more theorbo-sized instruments than you think that have seven or 
eight courses on the fingerboard.  I think the LSA is still hosting Klaus 
Martius’ Lautenweltadressbuch, which sounds in English like a means of sending 
letters to lutes but is actually a database of extant historical instruments.  
You can hours of fun going through it if you’re curious:

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[LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder

2019-08-17 Thread SW
I have asked for music for lute and recorder in the past. And some people have 
very kindly sent arrangements that they have made or collected from others. 
There must be ready-to-go lute and recorder pieces somewhere online.

Sometimes in the arrangements (made by enthusiasts today), the lute has much 
more work to do than the recorder. For an average lute player and an average 
recorder player this is not good (in my opinion, of course). 

I think that lively recorder parts with simple lute accompaniments are likely 
to be most effective. 

On 17 August 2019, at 23:16, "Frank A. Gerbode, M.D."  wrote:

   In case you *don't* have enough to do and you like earlier stuff, you
   could check out the [1]Bossinensis frottole. Also the lute parts are
   pretty easy.
   --Sarge

   On 8/17/2019 14:28, Leonard Williams wrote:

   Thanks, all!  Looks like I've got some work cut out for me!
   Leonard
   -Original Message-
   From: Andre Nieuwlaat [2]
   To: lute [3]
   Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2019 4:28 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder
 Many of the pieces in the Paston lute books are intabulations of
 polyphonic pieces (motets, movements from masses, madrigals,
 fantasias), with the superius part left out. The superius part can of
 course be played on recorder.
 Andr 
 Op za 17 aug. 2019 om 22:07 schreef Tristan von Neumann
 [4]<[1][1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:
   Dario Castello comes to mind.
   At least one of the solo sonatas are available online with tabs.
   If you play continuo, this is no problem anyway. The Bass line is
   pretty
   self explanatory.
   If you like older stuff:
   Pierre Attaignant's Tres Breve et familiere introduction with
   Chanson
   melodies is nice and easy to play.
   On 17.08.19 21:59, Leonard Williams wrote:
   >  I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute
   accompanying
   >  recorder.  Any suggestions are welcome.
   >  Thanks and regards,
   >  Leonard Williams
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder

2019-08-17 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
   In case you *don't* have enough to do and you like earlier stuff, you
   could check out the [1]Bossinensis frottole. Also the lute parts are
   pretty easy.
   --Sarge

   On 8/17/2019 14:28, Leonard Williams wrote:

   Thanks, all!  Looks like I've got some work cut out for me!
   Leonard
   -Original Message-
   From: Andre Nieuwlaat [2]
   To: lute [3]
   Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2019 4:28 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder
 Many of the pieces in the Paston lute books are intabulations of
 polyphonic pieces (motets, movements from masses, madrigals,
 fantasias), with the superius part left out. The superius part can of
 course be played on recorder.
 Andrà ©
 Op za 17 aug. 2019 om 22:07 schreef Tristan von Neumann
 [4]<[1][1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:
   Dario Castello comes to mind.
   At least one of the solo sonatas are available online with tabs.
   If you play continuo, this is no problem anyway. The Bass line is
   pretty
   self explanatory.
   If you like older stuff:
   Pierre Attaignant's Tres Breve et familiere introduction with
   Chanson
   melodies is nice and easy to play.
   On 17.08.19 21:59, Leonard Williams wrote:
   >  I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute
   accompanying
   >  recorder.  Any suggestions are welcome.
   >  Thanks and regards,
   >  Leonard Williams
   >
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   1. http://gerbode.net/sources/Bossinensis/
   2. mailto:ajpm.nieuwl...@gmail.com
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   4. mailto:[1][1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de
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[LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder

2019-08-17 Thread Leonard Williams
   Thanks, all!  Looks like I've got some work cut out for me!
   Leonard
   -Original Message-
   From: Andre Nieuwlaat 
   To: lute 
   Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2019 4:28 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder
 Many of the pieces in the Paston lute books are intabulations of
 polyphonic pieces (motets, movements from masses, madrigals,
 fantasias), with the superius part left out. The superius part can of
 course be played on recorder.
 Andrà ©
 Op za 17 aug. 2019 om 22:07 schreef Tristan von Neumann
 <[1][1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:
   Dario Castello comes to mind.
   At least one of the solo sonatas are available online with tabs.
   If you play continuo, this is no problem anyway. The Bass line is
   pretty
   self explanatory.
   If you like older stuff:
   Pierre Attaignant's Tres Breve et familiere introduction with
   Chanson
   melodies is nice and easy to play.
   On 17.08.19 21:59, Leonard Williams wrote:
   >  I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute
   accompanying
   >  recorder.  Any suggestions are welcome.
   >  Thanks and regards,
   >  Leonard Williams
   >
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   >
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[LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder

2019-08-17 Thread Andre Nieuwlaat
   Many of the pieces in the Paston lute books are intabulations of
   polyphonic pieces (motets, movements from masses, madrigals,
   fantasias), with the superius part left out. The superius part can of
   course be played on recorder.
   André

   Op za 17 aug. 2019 om 22:07 schreef Tristan von Neumann
   <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>:

 Dario Castello comes to mind.
 At least one of the solo sonatas are available online with tabs.
 If you play continuo, this is no problem anyway. The Bass line is
 pretty
 self explanatory.
 If you like older stuff:
 Pierre Attaignant's Tres Breve et familiere introduction with
 Chanson
 melodies is nice and easy to play.
 On 17.08.19 21:59, Leonard Williams wrote:
 >  I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute
 accompanying
 >  recorder.   Any suggestions are welcome.
 >  Thanks and regards,
 >  Leonard Williams
 >
 >  --
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 >
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[LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder

2019-08-17 Thread Christopher Stetson
   I don't know of any major repertoire specifically for recorder and Ren.
   lute, and I'm not completely familiar with recorder range and
   registration, but I'd think pretty much any lute song should be
   adaptable.   Check out [1]gerbode.net for more modern editions than
   you'll know what to do with.   In "sources", look for Attaignant and
   Bossinensis for earlier stuff, in composers Dowland and Campion will
   get you started on English, for a bit more technicality, take a look at
   Caccini, and there are worlds more to explore.

   On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 4:10 PM Tristan von Neumann
   <[2]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

 Dario Castello comes to mind.
 At least one of the solo sonatas are available online with tabs.
 If you play continuo, this is no problem anyway. The Bass line is
 pretty
 self explanatory.
 If you like older stuff:
 Pierre Attaignant's Tres Breve et familiere introduction with
 Chanson
 melodies is nice and easy to play.
 On 17.08.19 21:59, Leonard Williams wrote:
 >  I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute
 accompanying
 >  recorder.   Any suggestions are welcome.
 >  Thanks and regards,
 >  Leonard Williams
 >
 >  --
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 >
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[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread David Van Edwards

Dear Luca,

I have the original string lengths down as 823 
and 1677. Indeed it is odd how many theorbos 
there are with 8 courses on the fingerboard, it 
seems to have been a fashion started by that 
well-known authority Leopoldo Franciolini.


Best wishes,

David

At 20:29 +0200 17/8/19, Luca Manassero wrote:

   Dear David,
 thank you!!
   The two pictures are finally big enough to be understandable.
   I was also curious about the original string lengths, if you happen to
   know them.
   By the way, if all chitarroni I see in museums had 6 single or double
   courses (I think I remember one with seven fretted courses at the Citˆ©
   del la Musique in Paris, but I'm not sure thou), WHY ON EARTH do I see
   almost all chitarroni with 8x1 fretted strings??
   All the best,
   Luca (who really doesn't want to start ANY flame on this subject...)
    Attivato sab, 17 ago 2019 20:21:21 +0200 David Van Edwards
ha scritto 

   Dear Luca,
   I forgot to add: is there any other info you'd like? I have a few
   more photos. It is indeed on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale
   degli Strumenti Musicali, and the catalogue number is 976. Luisa
   Cervelli: La Galleria Armonica, Catalogo del Museo degli strumenti
   musicali di Roma, Roma 1994, pp. 297-299 from where I got my photos.
   Best wishes,
   David
   At 18:34 +0200 17/8/19, Luca Manassero wrote:
   > Dear common wisdom,
   > seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a German
   > friend: it had been built by Hendrik Hasenfuss in 1993 and has a very
   > nice bowl made of 35 ribs of yew.
   > Looking for the model, I think I came to a theorbo built by Pietro
   > Raillich in Padova, possibly around 1655 (strung as 6x1, 8x2). The
   > original seems to be on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale degli
   > Strumenti Musicali, where it is (erroneously?) indicated as being
   built
   > in 1702, which sounds odd to me, as of the nearly 47 years Pietro
   > Raillich spent in Padova, that is the year of his death...
   > The only picture displayed on Museum's site is so small to be almost
   > unreadable.
   > Does anybody have readable pictures of the 1655 instrument and/or
   some
   > more infos? Mine measures 82.5cm and 167cm, which would match the
   > Raillich's model.
   > Thank you in advance,
   > Luca
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder

2019-08-17 Thread David van Ooijen
   LPM had a series with written out tab parts for lute. But basically,
   anything polyphonic goes if you can read from the score or are willing
   to make your own parts from the score. It's a century or more of music
   up for grabs!
   David
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   On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:03, Leonard Williams
   <[3]arc...@mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute accompanying
recorder.   Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks and regards,
Leonard Williams
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[LUTE] Re: Lute + recorder

2019-08-17 Thread Tristan von Neumann

Dario Castello comes to mind.

At least one of the solo sonatas are available online with tabs.

If you play continuo, this is no problem anyway. The Bass line is pretty
self explanatory.


If you like older stuff:

Pierre Attaignant's Tres Breve et familiere introduction with Chanson
melodies is nice and easy to play.



On 17.08.19 21:59, Leonard Williams wrote:

I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute accompanying
recorder.  Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks and regards,
Leonard Williams

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[LUTE] Lute + recorder

2019-08-17 Thread Leonard Williams
   I'm seeking sources for music with renaissance lute accompanying
   recorder.  Any suggestions are welcome.
   Thanks and regards,
   Leonard Williams

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[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread Davide Rebuffa
Dear Luca,

That theorbo could likely had been built by Pietro’s son Giovanni (Zuane)
 
Giovanni Railich, son of Pietro, almost never used his own fire mark.  
Apart from a colascione (Collezione Correr, Venice) signed Giovanni Railich / 
Lautaro in Padova, 
all the instruments built in their workshop have the same fire brand of Pietro 
Railich P+R.

Matthias Klotz, a pupil of Pietro, worked there for many years, 
the other luthiers active in the workshop, at least  between 1678 and 1702, 
were Ventura Mancini and Bartholomeo Mauro.

Best wishes,

Davide







> Il giorno 17 ago 2019, alle ore 18:34, Luca Manassero  ha 
> scritto:
> 
>   Dear common wisdom,
>   seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a German
>   friend: it had been built by Hendrik Hasenfuss in 1993 and has a very
>   nice bowl made of 35 ribs of yew.
>   Looking for the model, I think I came to a theorbo built by Pietro
>   Raillich in Padova, possibly around 1655 (strung as 6x1, 8x2). The
>   original seems to be on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale degli
>   Strumenti Musicali, where it is (erroneously?) indicated as being built
>   in 1702, which sounds odd to me, as of the nearly 47 years Pietro
>   Raillich spent in Padova, that is the year of his death...
>   The only picture displayed on Museum's site is so small to be almost
>   unreadable.
>   Does anybody have readable pictures of the 1655 instrument and/or some
>   more infos? Mine measures 82.5cm and 167cm, which would match the
>   Raillich's model.
>   Thank you in advance,
>   Luca
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread Luca Manassero
   Dear David,
 thank you!!
   The two pictures are finally big enough to be understandable.
   I was also curious about the original string lengths, if you happen to
   know them.
   By the way, if all chitarroni I see in museums had 6 single or double
   courses (I think I remember one with seven fretted courses at the Cité
   del la Musique in Paris, but I'm not sure thou), WHY ON EARTH do I see
   almost all chitarroni with 8x1 fretted strings??
   All the best,
   Luca (who really doesn't want to start ANY flame on this subject...)
    Attivato sab, 17 ago 2019 20:21:21 +0200 David Van Edwards
ha scritto 

   Dear Luca,
   I forgot to add: is there any other info you'd like? I have a few
   more photos. It is indeed on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale
   degli Strumenti Musicali, and the catalogue number is 976. Luisa
   Cervelli: La Galleria Armonica, Catalogo del Museo degli strumenti
   musicali di Roma, Roma 1994, pp. 297-299 from where I got my photos.
   Best wishes,
   David
   At 18:34 +0200 17/8/19, Luca Manassero wrote:
   > Dear common wisdom,
   > seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a German
   > friend: it had been built by Hendrik Hasenfuss in 1993 and has a very
   > nice bowl made of 35 ribs of yew.
   > Looking for the model, I think I came to a theorbo built by Pietro
   > Raillich in Padova, possibly around 1655 (strung as 6x1, 8x2). The
   > original seems to be on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale degli
   > Strumenti Musicali, where it is (erroneously?) indicated as being
   built
   > in 1702, which sounds odd to me, as of the nearly 47 years Pietro
   > Raillich spent in Padova, that is the year of his death...
   > The only picture displayed on Museum's site is so small to be almost
   > unreadable.
   > Does anybody have readable pictures of the 1655 instrument and/or
   some
   > more infos? Mine measures 82.5cm and 167cm, which would match the
   > Raillich's model.
   > Thank you in advance,
   > Luca
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread David Van Edwards

Dear Luca,

I forgot to add: is there any other info you'd like? I have a few 
more photos. It is indeed on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale 
degli Strumenti Musicali, and the catalogue number is 976. Luisa 
Cervelli: La Galleria Armonica, Catalogo del Museo degli strumenti 
musicali di Roma, Roma 1994, pp. 297-299 from where I got my photos.


Best wishes,

David



At 18:34 +0200 17/8/19, Luca Manassero wrote:

   Dear common wisdom,
   seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a German
   friend: it had been built by Hendrik Hasenfuss in 1993 and has a very
   nice bowl made of 35 ribs of yew.
   Looking for the model, I think I came to a theorbo built by Pietro
   Raillich in Padova, possibly around 1655 (strung as 6x1, 8x2). The
   original seems to be on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale degli
   Strumenti Musicali, where it is (erroneously?) indicated as being built
   in 1702, which sounds odd to me, as of the nearly 47 years Pietro
   Raillich spent in Padova, that is the year of his death...
   The only picture displayed on Museum's site is so small to be almost
   unreadable.
   Does anybody have readable pictures of the 1655 instrument and/or some
   more infos? Mine measures 82.5cm and 167cm, which would match the
   Raillich's model.
   Thank you in advance,
   Luca

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[LUTE] Re: Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread David Van Edwards
Dear Luca,

Here you are! A very nice looking theorbo. Pohlmann says date is 1655
and Toffolo says it's c.1640 (St. Toffolo: Antichi Strumenti
Veneziani. Venezia 1987, pp. 57, 221) who knows where the 1702 date
comes from in the LSA list, but as there's no label it's all a guess.

Best wishes,

David

At 18:34 +0200 17/8/19, Luca Manassero wrote:
>Dear common wisdom,
>seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a German
>friend: it had been built by Hendrik Hasenfuss in 1993 and has a very
>nice bowl made of 35 ribs of yew.
>Looking for the model, I think I came to a theorbo built by Pietro
>Raillich in Padova, possibly around 1655 (strung as 6x1, 8x2). The
>original seems to be on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale degli
>Strumenti Musicali, where it is (erroneously?) indicated as being built
>in 1702, which sounds odd to me, as of the nearly 47 years Pietro
>Raillich spent in Padova, that is the year of his death...
>The only picture displayed on Museum's site is so small to be almost
>unreadable.
>Does anybody have readable pictures of the 1655 instrument and/or some
>more infos? Mine measures 82.5cm and 167cm, which would match the
>Raillich's model.
>Thank you in advance,
>Luca
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[LUTE] Picture(s) of a Theorbo originally built by Pietro Raillich

2019-08-17 Thread Luca Manassero
   Dear common wisdom,
   seven years ago I had the opportunity to buy a theorbo from a German
   friend: it had been built by Hendrik Hasenfuss in 1993 and has a very
   nice bowl made of 35 ribs of yew.
   Looking for the model, I think I came to a theorbo built by Pietro
   Raillich in Padova, possibly around 1655 (strung as 6x1, 8x2). The
   original seems to be on display in Rome at the Museo Nazionale degli
   Strumenti Musicali, where it is (erroneously?) indicated as being built
   in 1702, which sounds odd to me, as of the nearly 47 years Pietro
   Raillich spent in Padova, that is the year of his death...
   The only picture displayed on Museum's site is so small to be almost
   unreadable.
   Does anybody have readable pictures of the 1655 instrument and/or some
   more infos? Mine measures 82.5cm and 167cm, which would match the
   Raillich's model.
   Thank you in advance,
   Luca

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[LUTE] two errors in my Holborne edition

2019-08-17 Thread adS

1)

No. 44, Lute Galliard No. 19

The cognate

CS, sig. L3v-L4r, "Galliarde"

is incorrect

Must be

CS, sig. I2v-I3r, "Galliarde"

Must be changed in the crossref table at the end of volume II, too.


In Brian Jeffery's

this appears as 12v-13, which probably is a typo for l2v-l3 = L2v-L3r

In his edition of Holborne's music for cittern Kanazawa mentions another 
cognate as Bandora Galliard No. 4, which is nonsense.



2)

Heavens - a wrong note:

In 48 Lute Galliard No. 23, bar 22

the note on the sixth course of the first chord must be "a", NOT "d".


By the way, regarding this piece I have to add:

David John Smith has discovered that the version for lute is based on Peter 
Philips'
four-part version of Holborne's piece.\footnote{See \cite{DavisJohnSmithDiss}, 
Volume II, p.\ 330.}

According to Smith:

It may well be that Adriaensen obtained the
piece from Philips, since as we have seen they would have associated with one 
another at the
houses of patrons they had in common.

For a parallel transcription of PGA, Tregian 3665 and  Novum Pratum see Smith's 
dissertation, Volume III pp. 324--329.

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[LUTE] Re: Lute Iconography Database - full release

2019-08-17 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier
Thank you very much Luke ! Much appreciated !
Best,
Jean-Marie 


> Le 17 août 2019 à 12:22, Luke Emmet  a écrit :
> 
> Dear lute list
> 
> I'm pleased to announce that the Lute Iconography Database is now fully 
> released. A previous version had been circulated last year, but it seemed 
> that some of the attributes had not migrated correctly.
> 
> As you may know the database has been designed and populated by David Van 
> Edwards over many years, with contributions from others. This original 
> version was a standalone file for Mac only. My contribution has been to 
> design a web based solution, convert the data and upload it online. It is a 
> wonderful resource for lute researchers, makers, scholars and anyone who is 
> interested in the history or iconography of the lute.
> 
> There are now 2264 images in there.
> 
> For further information see the following links:
> 
> 1. The online database, searchable:
> 
>  https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issues/LI
> 
> 2. The Lute Society summary page describing the resource and its powerful 
> search engine, and how to contribute new images etc:
> 
>  https://www.lutesociety.org/pages/lute-iconography-database
> 
> 3. Some screenshots on my website (but actually using the database is even 
> better)
> 
>  https://www.orlando-lutes.com/pages/lute-iconography-database
> 
> The search engine for the database is very powerful and you can combine the 
> attributes in interesting ways. For example if you were curious about the 
> emergence of the 10c lute, you could search for all depictions of 10c lutes, 
> ordered by date:
> 
>  
> https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issues/LI?q=courses:%2010%20sort%20by:%20date%20asc
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Best Wishes
> 
> - Luke
> 
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[LUTE] Lute Iconography Database - full release

2019-08-17 Thread Luke Emmet

Dear lute list

I'm pleased to announce that the Lute Iconography Database is now fully 
released. A previous version had been circulated last year, but it 
seemed that some of the attributes had not migrated correctly.


As you may know the database has been designed and populated by David 
Van Edwards over many years, with contributions from others. This 
original version was a standalone file for Mac only. My contribution has 
been to design a web based solution, convert the data and upload it 
online. It is a wonderful resource for lute researchers, makers, 
scholars and anyone who is interested in the history or iconography of 
the lute.


There are now 2264 images in there.

For further information see the following links:

1. The online database, searchable:

  https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issues/LI

2. The Lute Society summary page describing the resource and its 
powerful search engine, and how to contribute new images etc:


  https://www.lutesociety.org/pages/lute-iconography-database

3. Some screenshots on my website (but actually using the database is 
even better)


  https://www.orlando-lutes.com/pages/lute-iconography-database

The search engine for the database is very powerful and you can combine 
the attributes in interesting ways. For example if you were curious 
about the emergence of the 10c lute, you could search for all depictions 
of 10c lutes, ordered by date:


  
https://lute-images.myjetbrains.com/youtrack/issues/LI?q=courses:%2010%20sort%20by:%20date%20asc


Enjoy!

Best Wishes

 - Luke

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