[LUTE] Re: Double Top
There is a viola d'amore with sympathetic strings that run from the tail piece, below the bridge, below the fingerboard, and up to the peg box that has an appropriate number of additional pegs. There's also a baryton (a bit smaller than a cello) with several harp strings that run from the tailpiece to a large peg box. They're plucked with the thumb of the left hand. Finally, there's the Hardanger fiddle with sympathetic strings mounted in a manner similar to those of the viola d'amore. Steve On Thursday, March 26, 2020, 02:25:34 PM EDT, Nancy Carlin wrote: Isn't there a viola da gamba type instrument that in arranged similarly? Nancy > Not at all sure myself, and I don't know chapter and verse with Mersenne, as Bailes didn't quote them. In my imagination, though, it's a double soundboard with metal strings for the inside and gut strings for the outside (I have no idea how they would keep the inside metal strings in tune). The metal strings probably were intended to resonate with the outside gut strings. Bailes quoted it in a row of examples of contemporaneous French experiments with sound. > > Mathias > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [1]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von G. C. > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 23:36 > An: Lutelist > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top > >How in the world would such a lute look like? And how would you be able >to tune the second set? Maybe he meant something like the Mace double >lute? (Dipharion?) > >On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 PM Mathias RÃÃà ¶sel ><[1][3]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: > > Anthony Bailes mentioned Marin Mersenne, Harmonie Universelle > (1636), who speaks about the possibility of building a lute with two > soundboards with strings on both of them, gut strings on one, metal > strings on the other (that's about resonance, I suppose). (Lute News > 85, April 2008) > Mathias > -UrsprÃÃà ¼ngliche Nachricht- > Von: [2][4]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu > [mailto:[3][5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von > David Smith > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. MÃÃà ¤rz 2020 20:16 > An: Joachim LÃÃà ¼dtke; [4][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top > I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double > top is more common in the states. > David > -Original Message- > From: [5][7]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu > <[6][8]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Joachim > LÃÃà ¼dtke > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM > To: [7][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top > Dear David, dear list, > I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but > only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a > second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is > usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too > limited or do I use it too strictly? > A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there > were guitar days here in the Hochschule fÃÃà ¼r Kunst und Musik in > Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently > finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule > playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and > I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the > majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices à ¢à ¦ > Best from the Hanseatics > Joachim > -Original-Nachricht- > Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top > Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 > Von: "David Smith" <[8][10]d...@dolcesfogato.com> > An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[9][11]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, > "[10][12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[11][13]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - > 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really > not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used > for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching > bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann > price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. > You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around > 3-4k. > As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because > it is
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
You mean the Baryton? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryton There's nice music for it by Haydn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQmeHq67k68 On 26.03.20 19:17, Nancy Carlin wrote: Isn't there a viola da gamba type instrument that in arranged similarly? Nancy Not at all sure myself, and I don't know chapter and verse with Mersenne, as Bailes didn't quote them. In my imagination, though, it's a double soundboard with metal strings for the inside and gut strings for the outside (I have no idea how they would keep the inside metal strings in tune). The metal strings probably were intended to resonate with the outside gut strings. Bailes quoted it in a row of examples of contemporaneous French experiments with sound. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von G. C. Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 23:36 An: Lutelist Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top How in the world would such a lute look like? And how would you be able to tune the second set? Maybe he meant something like the Mace double lute? (Dipharion?) On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 PM Mathias Rösel <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: Anthony Bailes mentioned Marin Mersenne, Harmonie Universelle (1636), who speaks about the possibility of building a lute with two soundboards with strings on both of them, gut strings on one, metal strings on the other (that's about resonance, I suppose). (Lute News 85, April 2008) Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von David Smith Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 20:16 An: Joachim Lüdtke; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double top is more common in the states. David -Original Message- From: [5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Joachim Lüdtke Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM To: [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices ⦠Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" <[8]d...@dolcesfogato.com> An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, "[10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - [12]https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_ bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: [13]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[14]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
Isn't there a viola da gamba type instrument that in arranged similarly? Nancy Not at all sure myself, and I don't know chapter and verse with Mersenne, as Bailes didn't quote them. In my imagination, though, it's a double soundboard with metal strings for the inside and gut strings for the outside (I have no idea how they would keep the inside metal strings in tune). The metal strings probably were intended to resonate with the outside gut strings. Bailes quoted it in a row of examples of contemporaneous French experiments with sound. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von G. C. Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 23:36 An: Lutelist Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top How in the world would such a lute look like? And how would you be able to tune the second set? Maybe he meant something like the Mace double lute? (Dipharion?) On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 PM Mathias Rösel <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: Anthony Bailes mentioned Marin Mersenne, Harmonie Universelle (1636), who speaks about the possibility of building a lute with two soundboards with strings on both of them, gut strings on one, metal strings on the other (that's about resonance, I suppose). (Lute News 85, April 2008) Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von David Smith Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 20:16 An: Joachim Lüdtke; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double top is more common in the states. David -Original Message- From: [5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Joachim Lüdtke Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM To: [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices ⦠Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" <[8]d...@dolcesfogato.com> An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, "[10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - [12]https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_ bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: [13]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[14]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: [15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort...
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
Not at all sure myself, and I don't know chapter and verse with Mersenne, as Bailes didn't quote them. In my imagination, though, it's a double soundboard with metal strings for the inside and gut strings for the outside (I have no idea how they would keep the inside metal strings in tune). The metal strings probably were intended to resonate with the outside gut strings. Bailes quoted it in a row of examples of contemporaneous French experiments with sound. Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von G. C. Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 23:36 An: Lutelist Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top How in the world would such a lute look like? And how would you be able to tune the second set? Maybe he meant something like the Mace double lute? (Dipharion?) On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:05 PM Mathias Rösel <[1]mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote: Anthony Bailes mentioned Marin Mersenne, Harmonie Universelle (1636), who speaks about the possibility of building a lute with two soundboards with strings on both of them, gut strings on one, metal strings on the other (that's about resonance, I suppose). (Lute News 85, April 2008) Mathias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [2]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von David Smith Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. März 2020 20:16 An: Joachim Lüdtke; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top I have heard both sandwiched and double top used. The term double top is more common in the states. David -Original Message- From: [5]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[6]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Joachim Lüdtke Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:56 AM To: [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices ⦠Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" <[8]d...@dolcesfogato.com> An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[9]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, "[10]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[11]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - [12]https://goreguitars.com.au/main/page_innovation_summary_falcate_ bracing.html) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: [13]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[14]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: [15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: > I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two
[LUTE] Oops:Double Top
And what I simply forgot in my first mail on this topic: Among the newly built guitars shown and played during the guitar days at the Bremen Hochschule there actually was at least one with a Sandwich/Laminate/Double Top, plus there was one with a soundboard/barring construction following the principles and ideas of Steve Klein, but with a quite 'traditional' outline. That I personally could not make much difference between the instruments when played may have been due to my bad ear as much as to the fact, that one and the same woman played all the instruments to the people attending, and that this woman is known for her good, personal sound production on the guitar. In short: I suspect that she could have easily brought out different strengths and weaknisses of different instruments but seemed to rather bring the best out of them within the limits of a 'conventional' classic guitar sound spectrum. There also was a lecture by one of the young guitar builders who among other topics covered soundboard construction methods, including sandwich construction. At one point he summed it up with the words: "It all sounds guitar to me, and when it would not, it would alarm me." Joachim Thank you John, David, and everyone else who replied and contributed so far! My lute/guitar lexigraphy is quite a bit enriched now. As to the lute: I think I prefer the traditional construction and materials for the historic instrument. All best Joachim Lektorat & Korrektorat Dr. Joachim Lüdtke BlumenstraÃe 20 D-90762 Fürth Tel.: 0911 / 976 45 20 Mail: [1]jo.lued...@t-online.de [2]www.lektorat-luedtke.de Mitglied im Verband der freien Lektorinnen und Lektoren [3]www.vfll.de [4]www.lektoren.de/profil/joachim-luedtke  -- References 1. mailto:jo.lued...@t-online.de 2. http://www.lektorat-luedtke.de/ 3. http://www.vfll.de/ 4. http://www.lektoren.de/profil/joachim-luedtke To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] AWR2D2: Double Top
Thank you John, David, and everyone else who replied and contributed so far! My lute/guitar lexigraphy is quite a bit enriched now. As to the lute: I think I prefer the traditional construction and materials for the historic instrument. All best Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: Re: [LUTE] Double Top Datum: 2020-03-26T00:18:46+0100 Von: "John Mardinly" An: "Joachim Lüdtke" I have heard the terminology âcomposite topâ and âsandwich topâ in addition to âdouble topâ, and they all refer to similar construction, although the earliest âdouble topâ guitars used a layer of a hexagonal synthetic material called Nomex in between the two paper thin layers on wood. A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Joachim Lüdtke <[1]jo.lued...@t-online.de> wrote: Dear David, dear list, I was a bit puzzled at first because I know the term double top, but only pointing to instruments like e.g. Marcard guitars with a second, 'interior' soundboard. What you describe is what I think is usually called a sandwiched soundboard. Is my terminology too limited or do I use it too strictly? A few weeks ago, before the darn Corona guy rode into town, there were guitar days here in the Hochschule für Kunst und Musik in Bremen, and there were young builders showing their recently finished guitars, and one of the guitar teachers of the Hochschule playing a few measures on each of them. Most sounded excellent, and I am ashamed to say that I couldn't make much difference between the majority of the sounds, neither did I ask for prices ⦠Best from the Hanseatics Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Double Top Datum: 2020-03-25T17:44:36+0100 Von: "David Smith" <[2]d...@dolcesfogato.com> An: "Tristan von Neumann" <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de>, "[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> That cost is what a master builder charges for classical guitars - 10k-20k is pretty normal. The cost of doing a double top is really not that high. The materials are not expensive and vacuum is used for a lot of other things in the shop. I use it for attaching bridges and holding instruments while French polishing. The Dammann price is based on his reputation and not on it being a double top. You should be able to find good quality double tops starting around 3-4k. As to using it on a lute, you have to like the sound of it because it is clearly not historical. I, personally, do not like the sound of double tops that much. They sacrifice character for volume, imho. But, if you are trying to fill a concert hall without a microphone then there are already a lot of sacrifices being made and the double top is just one more. For a more intimate setting I think it is overkill. The bracing from Trevor Gore (Falcate system - [6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__goreguitars.com .au_main_page-5Finnovation-5Fsummary-5Ffalcate-5Fbracing.html=DwIFaQ& c=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvx MmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=ftBiwVy6my8Jghtq9GSLqxpeyK73pixj5LSQEZHAiYQ=hl 0F5qUAGqTuToEdzrjzuTjZ3Rl4kFVBRh16ZCVLBts= ) is more interesting. It makes for a very even sound throughout the instrument and provides more volume as well. Would I use it on a lute. Not likely. Anyway, some random thoughts. David -Original Message- From: [7]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu <[8]lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu> On Behalf Of Tristan von Neumann Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:18 AM To: [9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Double Top For that money, I'd buy a Lute consort... I don't see any advantage... On 25.03.20 11:40, Jurgen Frenz wrote: I read about the process to make such an instrument - from memory the two slices are glued together under vacuum, to me it sounds like quite a costly process. The guitars made by the inventor of this technology Matthias Dammann cost 15 000 ⬠a pop. Jürgne âââââââ Original Message âââââââ On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:04 AM, Mark Probert <[10]probe...@gmail.com> wrote: John wrote: Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers interested in trying? Interesting technology. As applied to a lute? Not so sure. I suspect someone will but most won't as there is not really any advantage and much disadvantage (the lamination process for starters, workin with nomex or similar, etc.). The problem this construction "fixes" is loudness. While there may be occassions when a lute is too soft, making up for it with an overly stiff soundboard would, I suspect, take away much of what makes a lute sound the
[LUTE] Re: Double Top
Some years ago St Petersburg luthier Mikhail Fedchenko experimented with double top lute. He built renaissance lute for Arkadi Burkhanov, lutenist from Novosibirsk and music director of 'Insula Magica' ensemble. I had some experience with this lute and I'm not happy at all. Yes, it's noticably louder than normal lute, but it's the first and last advantage. The resonances moved to a low part and the lute sounded very close to guitar, the sustaine was longer, but a bit strange way, so in lute music it produced much more harmonic roughness than beauty, and more problem with stopping string. And the nature of sound has changed, especially audible in polyphonic pieces - instead of horizontal lines we heard more verticals. I don't know how to explain, but it allows less polyphony, everything drives to vertical harmony and sounds like chord progression instead of simultaneous melodic lines. If I needed to open up polyphony it tooks much more efforts. It wasn't a lute anymore, it was different instrument built for different music. But it's only my opinion based on only one experience. ÃÃ, 25 üðÃ. 2020 ó., 0:32 John Mardinly <[1]john.mardi...@asu.edu>: Last summer, I purchased a âdouble top' guitar. The sound this instrument produces is astounding. It looks like a normal guitar, but the top consists of two layers of wood a half millimeter thick with a latticework of thin balsa wood strips in between for reinforcement. The result is a slab suitable for an instrument top that is much less dense than any solid wood and thus vibrates more easily yet still has sufficient strength to withstand the stress of the strings on the bridge. Question is, has this been tried on a lute? Are there any luthiers interested in trying? A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E. Classical Guitarist/Lutenist On Mar 23, 2020, at 10:20 PM, David van Ooijen <[1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote: This is what I made a while ago with my guitar (and one lute!) pupil. [1][2][3]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu. be_- 5Frd4ybtec4Y=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ& r=V LPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=Q7_nqWFrXqIFDsOhjWGSrNT 1E4 Gm0tnLie2Pb6saiaA=NXpYB9panSORS1wHZF56I315HDkmC4kfG1KQStwHa4I= David On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 00:41, Alain Veylit <[2][3][4]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: A somewhat more elaborate take on the same idea - also using a master tape, but took about a year to record in "real time": [3][4][5]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.yo ut ube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dph1GU1qQ1zQ=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1 Gyc N4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=Q7_n qWF rXqIFDsOhjWGSrNT1E4Gm0tnLie2Pb6saiaA=vDtH7embWEqv73Vdex3YtDsNtZf9n AWp WvtkI2WjAQg= Luthistes de tous les pays unissez-vous! On 3/23/20 3:30 PM, howard posner wrote: On Mar 23, 2020, at 8:12 AM, Diego Cantalupi <[4][5][6]tio...@gmail.com> wrote: Each one with his/her phone. Il 23/03/2020 16:11, Dr. Henner Kahlert ha scritto: Wonderful! With which device did you manage to play and record this? Could you share how you did it? Two days ago I tried to lead our small congregation in a virtual service using Zoom, and it was impossible to synchronize it. Even if our mouths were moving in unison, it was cacophony. To get on or off this list see list information at [5][6][7]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs. dar tmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQ usp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZON BRt90E=Q7_nqWFrXqIFDsOhjWGSrNT1E4Gm0tnLie2Pb6saiaA=KB0q6iBbV2bYP 8RQzSThRnFRaBVeGR-3KDzDBcsyMrw= -- *** David van Ooijen [6][7][8]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [7][8][9]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__davidv anoo [10]ijen.wordpress.com=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jI nuKy6zb qQ=VLPJ8OE-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=Q7_nqWFrXqIFDsOhj WGS rNT1E4Gm0tnLie2Pb6saiaA& e= *** -- References 1. [9][11]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be _-5Frd4 ybtec4Y=DwIBAg=l45AxH-kUV29SRQusp9vYR0n1GycN4_2jInuKy6zbqQ=VLP J8O E-c_C6joGeE1ftlvxMmQPq9N6mpKZONBRt90E=Q7_nqWFrXqIFDsOhjWGSrNT1E4Gm 0tn
