[LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed
All the gambists I know live on it and think Forqueray 5th suite is way harder. --- On Mon, 4/30/12, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Subject: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com, lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 11:51 AM All the gambists I know (a goodly #) dread playing that aria. RT - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: lute net [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed On 30 April 2012 20:34, Roman Turovsky [3]r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: JSB didn't play gamba either as evidenced by his reassignment of nicely playable lute part in the MatthaeusPassion to an impossible one for gamba in the 2nd version. Any gambist would tell you that that gamba part is pure hell. Another blanket statement I beg to differ with, as my gamba friend are generally happy with the Suesses Kreuz aria and find it to work well on their instruments, however much I try to persuade them to give it back to me. ;-) But then again, some of these gambis must have played the piece hundreds of times over the years. It's remarkable, btw, how much the character of the aria changes when the obligato part is played on a lute. Easier, lighter, 'Suesser' as opposed to heavy, hard and 'Kreuzig'. I keep telling conductors, but playing Bach passions is another of those established habits enshrined in today's Early Music Esperanto. David - back to St. John -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to%c3%9avidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@verizon.net 4. file://localhost/mc/compose?to%c3%9avidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed
Wasn't it actually written by his son for keyboard? RT - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:50 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed All the gambists I know live on it and think Forqueray 5th suite is way harder. --- On Mon, 4/30/12, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Subject: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com, lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 11:51 AM All the gambists I know (a goodly #) dread playing that aria. RT - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: lute net [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed On 30 April 2012 20:34, Roman Turovsky [3]r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: JSB didn't play gamba either as evidenced by his reassignment of nicely playable lute part in the MatthaeusPassion to an impossible one for gamba in the 2nd version. Any gambist would tell you that that gamba part is pure hell. Another blanket statement I beg to differ with, as my gamba friend are generally happy with the Suesses Kreuz aria and find it to work well on their instruments, however much I try to persuade them to give it back to me. ;-) But then again, some of these gambis must have played the piece hundreds of times over the years. It's remarkable, btw, how much the character of the aria changes when the obligato part is played on a lute. Easier, lighter, 'Suesser' as opposed to heavy, hard and 'Kreuzig'. I keep telling conductors, but playing Bach passions is another of those established habits enshrined in today's Early Music Esperanto. David - back to St. John -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to%c3%9avidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@verizon.net 4. file://localhost/mc/compose?to%c3%9avidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed
No, it was written by cousin Louis (Johann Ludwig Bach), who wrote it for comb and toilet paper- but no one could play it as written; after all it was composed on the Toiletwerke by a keyboard player. (Now we trespass into Prof. Schickele land.) Dan On May 1, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Wasn't it actually written by his son for keyboard? RT - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:50 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed All the gambists I know live on it and think Forqueray 5th suite is way harder. --- On Mon, 4/30/12, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net Subject: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed To: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com, lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, April 30, 2012, 11:51 AM All the gambists I know (a goodly #) dread playing that aria. RT - Original Message - From: David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com To: lute net [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed On 30 April 2012 20:34, Roman Turovsky [3]r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: JSB didn't play gamba either as evidenced by his reassignment of nicely playable lute part in the MatthaeusPassion to an impossible one for gamba in the 2nd version. Any gambist would tell you that that gamba part is pure hell. Another blanket statement I beg to differ with, as my gamba friend are generally happy with the Suesses Kreuz aria and find it to work well on their instruments, however much I try to persuade them to give it back to me. ;-) But then again, some of these gambis must have played the piece hundreds of times over the years. It's remarkable, btw, how much the character of the aria changes when the obligato part is played on a lute. Easier, lighter, 'Suesser' as opposed to heavy, hard and 'Kreuzig'. I keep telling conductors, but playing Bach passions is another of those established habits enshrined in today's Early Music Esperanto. David - back to St. John -- *** David van Ooijen [4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to%c3%9avidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@verizon.net 4. file://localhost/mc/compose?to%c3%9avidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed
On 30 April 2012 20:51, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: All the gambists I know (a goodly #) dread playing that aria. Tell them not to come to Holland, where playing Matthew is a major part of a gambist's yearly income. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bach's Lute Suites: This Moth is Blessed
Not only in Holland, so - material interests prevail. RT From: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com On 30 April 2012 20:51, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: All the gambists I know (a goodly #) dread playing that aria. Tell them not to come to Holland, where playing Matthew is a major part of a gambist's yearly income. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
