[LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill
;-) Honest, Roman ? JM === 07-02-2009 01:48:26 === Musicality. RT - Original Message - From: Mark Wheeler l...@pantagruel.de To: 'Roman Turovsky' r.turov...@verizon.net; 'Lutelist' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: AW: [LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill At what? jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr http://poirierjm.free.fr 07-02-2009 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill
h maybe. Or maybe no one is the best. Can you post some comparisons? I've certainly heard better perfomances of the chromatic fantasies. dt At 03:54 PM 2/6/2009, you wrote: That may very well be, but it is hard to fathom, considering that at his worst he is still better than all of us. RT - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Karamzov--was Trench Fill I think Karamazov is at his best when he adopts techniques from historical keyboard players. His Bach Toccata (OK, maybe not Bach, whatever) has some very interesting, real baroque stuff in it. Very traditional, basic baroque. Would it be even better with Bach style ornaments? dt At 04:32 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net I'm old fashioned, I guess; I think the old ways are better. Some are. Some aren't. I've no objection to musical freedom, I just advocate try then decide. I also think one learns more form one note of a great player than a whole book of deconstructionist. dt Exactly. You've said it. That why I try to learn something from Karamazov. RT At 04:40 AM 2/2/2009, you wrote: As you might expect - I advocate the same thing as Haynes, sans balking. I'd rather deal with the last Tuesday's trills, than anything by, say, Matteis. RT From: David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net On Feb 1, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Mark Wheeler wrote: You should check out Bruce Haynes book The end of early music I couldn't agree more. It's a very good read. Although Haynes is a strong advocate for the writing of new music in the Baroque style, which makes me balk a little bit. I'd rather go to original 17th- or 18th-Century sources than try to deal with French trills in something written last Tuesday. DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill
Totally. How many people can make jarring sounds musically and meaningfully? RT - Original Message - From: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 3:55 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill ;-) Honest, Roman ? JM === 07-02-2009 01:48:26 === Musicality. RT - Original Message - From: Mark Wheeler l...@pantagruel.de To: 'Roman Turovsky' r.turov...@verizon.net; 'Lutelist' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: AW: [LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill At what? jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr http://poirierjm.free.fr 07-02-2009 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill
Quite funny -- Karamazov (by accident of course!) in context of dilettantism on the list now... ;-)) J On 2009-02-07, at 09:55, Jean-Marie Poirier wrote: ;-) Honest, Roman ? JM === 07-02-2009 01:48:26 === Musicality. RT - Original Message - From: Mark Wheeler l...@pantagruel.de To: 'Roman Turovsky' r.turov...@verizon.net; 'Lutelist' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: AW: [LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill At what? jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr http://poirierjm.free.fr 07-02-2009 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill
That may very well be, but it is hard to fathom, considering that at his worst he is still better than all of us. RT - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Karamzov--was Trench Fill I think Karamazov is at his best when he adopts techniques from historical keyboard players. His Bach Toccata (OK, maybe not Bach, whatever) has some very interesting, real baroque stuff in it. Very traditional, basic baroque. Would it be even better with Bach style ornaments? dt At 04:32 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net I'm old fashioned, I guess; I think the old ways are better. Some are. Some aren't. I've no objection to musical freedom, I just advocate try then decide. I also think one learns more form one note of a great player than a whole book of deconstructionist. dt Exactly. You've said it. That why I try to learn something from Karamazov. RT At 04:40 AM 2/2/2009, you wrote: As you might expect - I advocate the same thing as Haynes, sans balking. I'd rather deal with the last Tuesday's trills, than anything by, say, Matteis. RT From: David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net On Feb 1, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Mark Wheeler wrote: You should check out Bruce Haynes book The end of early music I couldn't agree more. It's a very good read. Although Haynes is a strong advocate for the writing of new music in the Baroque style, which makes me balk a little bit. I'd rather go to original 17th- or 18th-Century sources than try to deal with French trills in something written last Tuesday. DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill
At what? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Roman Turovsky [mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Februar 2009 00:55 An: Lutelist Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill That may very well be, but it is hard to fathom, considering that at his worst he is still better than all of us. RT - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Karamzov--was Trench Fill I think Karamazov is at his best when he adopts techniques from historical keyboard players. His Bach Toccata (OK, maybe not Bach, whatever) has some very interesting, real baroque stuff in it. Very traditional, basic baroque. Would it be even better with Bach style ornaments? dt At 04:32 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net I'm old fashioned, I guess; I think the old ways are better. Some are. Some aren't. I've no objection to musical freedom, I just advocate try then decide. I also think one learns more form one note of a great player than a whole book of deconstructionist. dt Exactly. You've said it. That why I try to learn something from Karamazov. RT At 04:40 AM 2/2/2009, you wrote: As you might expect - I advocate the same thing as Haynes, sans balking. I'd rather deal with the last Tuesday's trills, than anything by, say, Matteis. RT From: David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net On Feb 1, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Mark Wheeler wrote: You should check out Bruce Haynes book The end of early music I couldn't agree more. It's a very good read. Although Haynes is a strong advocate for the writing of new music in the Baroque style, which makes me balk a little bit. I'd rather go to original 17th- or 18th-Century sources than try to deal with French trills in something written last Tuesday. DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill
Musicality. RT - Original Message - From: Mark Wheeler l...@pantagruel.de To: 'Roman Turovsky' r.turov...@verizon.net; 'Lutelist' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: AW: [LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill At what? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Roman Turovsky [mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Februar 2009 00:55 An: Lutelist Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Karamzov--was Trench Fill That may very well be, but it is hard to fathom, considering that at his worst he is still better than all of us. RT - Original Message - From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Karamzov--was Trench Fill I think Karamazov is at his best when he adopts techniques from historical keyboard players. His Bach Toccata (OK, maybe not Bach, whatever) has some very interesting, real baroque stuff in it. Very traditional, basic baroque. Would it be even better with Bach style ornaments? dt At 04:32 AM 2/3/2009, you wrote: From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net I'm old fashioned, I guess; I think the old ways are better. Some are. Some aren't. I've no objection to musical freedom, I just advocate try then decide. I also think one learns more form one note of a great player than a whole book of deconstructionist. dt Exactly. You've said it. That why I try to learn something from Karamazov. RT At 04:40 AM 2/2/2009, you wrote: As you might expect - I advocate the same thing as Haynes, sans balking. I'd rather deal with the last Tuesday's trills, than anything by, say, Matteis. RT From: David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net On Feb 1, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Mark Wheeler wrote: You should check out Bruce Haynes book The end of early music I couldn't agree more. It's a very good read. Although Haynes is a strong advocate for the writing of new music in the Baroque style, which makes me balk a little bit. I'd rather go to original 17th- or 18th-Century sources than try to deal with French trills in something written last Tuesday. DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
