[LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig
Chris: There is some pictorial evidence of strolling lutenists from the English masque and French ballet de cour. I'm only venturing a guess about this but perhaps the cinematic idea of the strolling lutenist came from the influence of German directors like Fritz Lang in the early days of Hollywood, incorporating echos of the Wandervogel aesthetic. Best wishes, Ron Andrico Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 23:23:08 -0400 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu From: christophertstet...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig However, I'm wondering where the idea of the strolling lutenist comes from. I'm not an expert, and I don't play one on TV, but I can't recall any original pictorial or written sources indicating anyone playing the lute and walking. Is it a 19th century romanticisation? A pre-Raphaelite fantasy? Anyone know, or have an opinion? -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Streaming lute gig
Exactly my sentiment. RT From: Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk You can be sure that anyone who wants you to dress up, is not interested in listening to the music. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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On Jun 6, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Christopher Stetson wrote: However, I'm wondering where the idea of the strolling lutenist comes from. I'm not an expert, and I don't play one on TV, but I can't recall any original pictorial or written sources indicating anyone playing the lute and walking. Is it a 19th century romanticisation? A pre-Raphaelite fantasy? Anyone know, or have an opinion? One of those 17th century English lute books, I can't remember which, mentions you can play standing. There are descriptions of masques that would indicate standing if not strolling. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig
On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:09 AM, Edward Mast wrote: I'm always a bit surprised to see performers of Renaissance music dressed in period costumes. Why is it common? It is entertainment (something I didn't learn in music school). My job is to be a foreigner in an odd costume playing unfamiliar music to an audience that consists 99% of people who have never seen or heard a lute. I'm fine with that. Performers playing Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, etc. don't typically dress in costumes of the day. Why are Dowland, Dalza ,Lassus or Dufay, Machaut, etc. different? It might be because of the Ren faires or just the music being more accessible to a general audience or the harmonies more rock-like. I'm not sure why, or if it is really the case. I've seen other performances in Baroque costumes or quasi-Baroque costumes. I have a Baroque costume too, but I don't know if I've ever used it for performance. We may have rented it out a time or two. I would like to use it with the B. guitar if I could ever get a set of memorized material up and running. I think Baroque lute repertoire is just too lugubrious for the kind of entertainment gigs I do here. I see no reason why not though in different circumstances. I saw Tom Berghan at a LSA seminar a while back give a wonderful performance in costume with recitations between the pieces. It worked on so many levels. I just think it detracts from the timeless quality of Medieval and Renaissance music, and tries to present the illusion that the performer is something other than what he or she is: a 21st century musician. That is probably because you play Renaissance music yourself and expect the respect for the music that you would give. For people who don't, it is part of the fantasy/entertainment, like idealized Disney fairy book characters in Disney's image of what the old ones looked like. That being said, if I were earning my money playing Renaissance music, I would probably do what's required to get the gig. Including dressing in period costume (with a few muttered complaints to myself). No complaints from me. In fact, if I were judged by my playing alone I would get more nervous. But my main response to Ed's performance is 'Bravo'. To play such an extensive repertory so well and from memory (perhaps with some improvisation?), is impressive indeed. Congratulations, Ed, and thank you for posting the video. I'll say thank you, though I certainly used to play better. I was just celebrating being back playing again after so long off and the hand problems and all. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Streaming lute gig
I wholeheartedly second this so true fact! And also starting with Greensleeves and repeating it every now and then. And do not forget the great Folias! You can repeat it ad infinitum... And later in a different key and tempo - as many times you wish! ;-) Arto On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 08:12:02 -0400, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: Exactly my sentiment. RT From: Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk You can be sure that anyone who wants you to dress up, is not interested in listening to the music. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig
I'm always a bit surprised to see performers of Renaissance music dressed in period costumes. Why is it common? Performers playing Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, etc. don't typically dress in costumes of the day. Why are Dowland, Dalza ,Lassus or Dufay, Machaut, etc. different? I just think it detracts from the timeless quality of Medieval and Renaissance music, and tries to present the illusion that the performer is something other than what he or she is: a 21st century musician. That being said, if I were earning my money playing Renaissance music, I would probably do what's required to get the gig. Including dressing in period costume (with a few muttered complaints to myself). But my main response to Ed's performance is 'Bravo'. To play such an extensive repertory so well and from memory (perhaps with some improvisation?), is impressive indeed. Congratulations, Ed, and thank you for posting the video. On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:38 AM, G. Crona wrote: Very nice Ed, thanks! I liked your costume, (especially the feather). How many courses? 7 Did you amplify? Yes, there is a little pin mic with a windscreen on it jammed between a piece of wood and the soundboard. This wood is stuck between the bridge and strings and extends down. I believe Edward Martin came up with this tactic, so thank you Ed. Please provide us with a list of the tunes you played. The usual suspects: Greensleeves and theme from Romeo Juliet are the only pieces the general public recognizes..., well also possibly the -- made famous by Respighi. Then there was Bianco Fiore/Dell attore So ben mi Chi'a buon tempo from Caroso, Ungaresca, Bransles de village Gassen Hawer Welscher Tantz by Newsidler, maybe some Dalza, Kemps Jig, My Lady Hundson's by Dowland. I think that's about it. Sorry to anyone who checked the link and found it didn't load. A number of people reported that. The link still works for me. I'm at the beginning and 2 hours in. [1]http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig
Performers of Bach, Haydn, ... often dress in period costume of the late 19th century... -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Mast Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 12:09 PM To: Ed Durbrow Cc: G. Crona; LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig I'm always a bit surprised to see performers of Renaissance music dressed in period costumes. Why is it common? Performers playing Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, etc. don't typically dress in costumes of the day. Why are Dowland, Dalza ,Lassus or Dufay, Machaut, etc. different? I just think it detracts from the timeless quality of Medieval and Renaissance music, and tries to present the illusion that the performer is something other than what he or she is: a 21st century musician. That being said, if I were earning my money playing Renaissance music, I would probably do what's required to get the gig. Including dressing in period costume (with a few muttered complaints to myself). But my main response to Ed's performance is 'Bravo'. To play such an extensive repertory so well and from memory (perhaps with some improvisation?), is impressive indeed. Congratulations, Ed, and thank you for posting the video. On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:38 AM, G. Crona wrote: Very nice Ed, thanks! I liked your costume, (especially the feather). How many courses? 7 Did you amplify? Yes, there is a little pin mic with a windscreen on it jammed between a piece of wood and the soundboard. This wood is stuck between the bridge and strings and extends down. I believe Edward Martin came up with this tactic, so thank you Ed. Please provide us with a list of the tunes you played. The usual suspects: Greensleeves and theme from Romeo Juliet are the only pieces the general public recognizes..., well also possibly the -- made famous by Respighi. Then there was Bianco Fiore/Dell attore So ben mi Chi'a buon tempo from Caroso, Ungaresca, Bransles de village Gassen Hawer Welscher Tantz by Newsidler, maybe some Dalza, Kemps Jig, My Lady Hundson's by Dowland. I think that's about it. Sorry to anyone who checked the link and found it didn't load. A number of people reported that. The link still works for me. I'm at the beginning and 2 hours in. [1]http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig
Performers of Bach, Haydn, ... often dress in period costume of the late 19th century... -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Mast Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 12:09 PM To: Ed Durbrow Cc: G. Crona; LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig I'm always a bit surprised to see performers of Renaissance music dressed in period costumes. Why is it common? i cant speak for others, I have had three typical situations, each with a different dress. Since 1974 I have been a member of the Society for Creative Anachronism, to atten any of their events one must dress in garb and interact with others in persona as best as possible. Much of my music is done in that context, so I am dressed in garb of necessity. For a time I was a member of a colegium musicum, required dress was black pants and black turtleneck. Otherwise I perform casually in casual dress. I dont find the clothes making any mental difference, unless my hose are slipping of course. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Hi, all, I echo the bravo! for Ed's performance, and express my surprise at the many concordances with the pieces I play in a similar situation. I'm not surprised, though, about the costume. It's frequently a request that people have, and when you come down to it, one of the reasons for playing Renaissance music is an attempt to recreate the sounds of the 16th century, and thereby gain some understanding of the experience of those alive then. The clothing just adds to the experience. Further, one could argue that the music of Dowland, Dalza, Lassus, Machaut, etc. (and Bach, for that matter) did not prove to be timeless. It passed into essential oblivion and had to be recreated (from sometimes slim evidence) by later enthusiasts after those who might have heard it when it was new were long dead. The music of Beethoven, Mozart, et al., while not unchanging and therefore not exempt from historical revival, currently constitutes an unbroken tradition. Time will tell if that continues. However, I'm wondering where the idea of the strolling lutenist comes from. I'm not an expert, and I don't play one on TV, but I can't recall any original pictorial or written sources indicating anyone playing the lute and walking. Is it a 19th century romanticisation? A pre-Raphaelite fantasy? Anyone know, or have an opinion? Best to all, and keep playing, Chris. On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com wrote: I'm always a bit surprised to see performers of Renaissance music dressed in period costumes. Why is it common? Performers playing Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, etc. don't typically dress in costumes of the day. Why are Dowland, Dalza ,Lassus or Dufay, Machaut, etc. different? I just think it detracts from the timeless quality of Medieval and Renaissance music, and tries to present the illusion that the performer is something other than what he or she is: a 21st century musician. That being said, if I were earning my money playing Renaissance music, I would probably do what's required to get the gig. Including dressing in period costume (with a few muttered complaints to myself). But my main response to Ed's performance is 'Bravo'. To play such an extensive repertory so well and from memory (perhaps with some improvisation?), is impressive indeed. Congratulations, Ed, and thank you for posting the video. On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:38 AM, G. Crona wrote: Very nice Ed, thanks! I liked your costume, (especially the feather). How many courses? 7 Did you amplify? Yes, there is a little pin mic with a windscreen on it jammed between a piece of wood and the soundboard. This wood is stuck between the bridge and strings and extends down. I believe Edward Martin came up with this tactic, so thank you Ed. Please provide us with a list of the tunes you played. The usual suspects: Greensleeves and theme from Romeo Juliet are the only pieces the general public recognizes..., well also possibly the -- made famous by Respighi. Then there was Bianco Fiore/Dell attore So ben mi Chi'a buon tempo from Caroso, Ungaresca, Bransles de village Gassen Hawer Welscher Tantz by Newsidler, maybe some Dalza, Kemps Jig, My Lady Hundson's by Dowland. I think that's about it. Sorry to anyone who checked the link and found it didn't load. A number of people reported that. The link still works for me. I'm at the beginning and 2 hours in. [1][2]http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2][3]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3][4]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [5]http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 2. [6]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. [7]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 3. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 4. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 5. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 6. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 7. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig
Very nice Ed, thanks! I liked your costume, (especially the feather). How many courses? Did you amplify? Please provide us with a list of the tunes you played. Well done! G. - Original Message - From: Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp To: LuteNet list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:25 PM Subject: [LUTE] streaming lute gig I played my first gig in over a year yesterday and today. It was streamed live on the internet and is still up. For how long, I don't know. My embarrassing bits are at the beginning and at about two hours in. Just skip the first couple of pieces, they are horrible. [1]http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: streaming lute gig
On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:38 AM, G. Crona wrote: Very nice Ed, thanks! I liked your costume, (especially the feather). How many courses? 7 Did you amplify? Yes, there is a little pin mic with a windscreen on it jammed between a piece of wood and the soundboard. This wood is stuck between the bridge and strings and extends down. I believe Edward Martin came up with this tactic, so thank you Ed. Please provide us with a list of the tunes you played. The usual suspects: Greensleeves and theme from Romeo Juliet are the only pieces the general public recognizes..., well also possibly the -- made famous by Respighi. Then there was Bianco Fiore/Dell attore So ben mi Chi'a buon tempo from Caroso, Ungaresca, Bransles de village Gassen Hawer Welscher Tantz by Newsidler, maybe some Dalza, Kemps Jig, My Lady Hundson's by Dowland. I think that's about it. Sorry to anyone who checked the link and found it didn't load. A number of people reported that. The link still works for me. I'm at the beginning and 2 hours in. [1]http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 2. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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Great outfit, Ed; love those stockings, kawaii! ;-) David On 3 June 2011 17:25, Ed Durbrow edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp wrote: I played my first gig in over a year yesterday and today. It was streamed live on the internet and is still up. For how long, I don't know. My embarrassing bits are at the beginning and at about two hours in. Just skip the first couple of pieces, they are horrible. [1]http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15130542 -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
