[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
David's is the only one I have measured that works, but perhaps some of the other ones work. dt At 11:58 AM 2/8/2009, you wrote: Charles Browne wrote: There is a fret placement spreadsheet on the LSA website that will provide you with all the information without re-calculation. It will give fret positions for a number of temperaments/and string lengths it is worth looking at! Charles Thanks. Found it and punched in the string length. Even easier than multiplying by 43. But - so much choice. Any advice on a temperament for second half of fifteenth century? Stuart No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/06/09 17:28:00 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
David van Ooijen wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Did someone once put up a calculator which which worked out fret positions, in meantone, for a given string length? Stuart It's not exactly a calculator, but it has a table with numbers to multiply string length with. http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html David Thanks. That is just what I wanted. I thought there might be some intractable mathematical equations involved. I'm trying to calculate meantone fretting for an instrument of 43cms and even I can multiply by 43! Thanks again. Stuart No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1938 - Release Date: 02/06/09 11:31:00 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
Stuart Walsh wrote: David van Ooijen wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Did someone once put up a calculator which which worked out fret positions, in meantone, for a given string length? Stuart It's not exactly a calculator, but it has a table with numbers to multiply string length with. http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html David Thanks. That is just what I wanted. I thought there might be some intractable mathematical equations involved. I'm trying to calculate meantone fretting for an instrument of 43cms and even I can multiply by 43! Thanks again. Stuart No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1938 - Release Date: 02/06/09 11:31:00 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html There is a fret placement spreadsheet on the LSA website that will provide you with all the information without re-calculation. It will give fret positions for a number of temperaments/and string lengths it is worth looking at! Charles
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
Charles Browne wrote: There is a fret placement spreadsheet on the LSA website that will provide you with all the information without re-calculation. It will give fret positions for a number of temperaments/and string lengths it is worth looking at! Charles Thanks. Found it and punched in the string length. Even easier than multiplying by 43. But - so much choice. Any advice on a temperament for second half of fifteenth century? Stuart No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/06/09 17:28:00 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
Stuart, Try the 1/4 comma to start; the thinking being to overdo the change so you can more easily define its differences. You can always scale back to 1/6 and compare. If you go the 1/4 comma route you may want to play your lower F#s on the 6th G fret till you get a tastino, at least for single line stuff. If you want to immerse yourself in meantone for a little while, try it w/ your regular ren lute as well. It may be easier to hear the 3rds and 6ths working together in registers you're more familiar with. Avoid a lot of flats for now. If your descant has a significantly wider bridge than nut then you may have problems as you shift the 4th fret 'north'. (It may buzz w/ the lack of tension or just be plain too loose). you may need to shim it a bit. You may eventually want to settle into 1/6 comma which isn't so drastic and gives more modulating elasticity. Sean On Feb 8, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Charles Browne wrote: There is a fret placement spreadsheet on the LSA website that will provide you with all the information without re-calculation. It will give fret positions for a number of temperaments/and string lengths it is worth looking at! Charles Thanks. Found it and punched in the string length. Even easier than multiplying by 43. But - so much choice. Any advice on a temperament for second half of fifteenth century? Stuart -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/06/09 17:28:00 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
On the subject of fret placement, what about fret placement on the Baroque lute? Davidr dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
Yes, especially for that Falkenhagen Prelude. RT From: David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net On the subject of fret placement, what about fret placement on the Baroque lute? Davidr dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
Stuart Walsh wrote: Charles Browne wrote: There is a fret placement spreadsheet on the LSA website that will provide you with all the information without re-calculation. It will give fret positions for a number of temperaments/and string lengths it is worth looking at! Charles Thanks. Found it and punched in the string length. Even easier than multiplying by 43. But - so much choice. Any advice on a temperament for second half of fifteenth century? Stuart No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.19/1939 - Release Date: 02/06/09 17:28:00 glad you found it! I wouldn't dare comment on temperament but I am sure that one of the experts can tell us? charles To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
Stuart Walsh wrote: multiplying by 43. But - so much choice. Any advice on a temperament for second half of fifteenth century? For earlier music, Ars Nova and Trecento, I use Pythagorean temperament. It was a surpsrise to me how much Italian early 16th century music I still could play with that temperament. Perhaps you could give that a try, too. Here's how to move your frets: http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/pythagoras_f.html David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Did someone once put up a calculator which which worked out fret positions, in meantone, for a given string length? Stuart It's not exactly a calculator, but it has a table with numbers to multiply string length with. http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
I can vouch that David's system works perfectly and as I result I owe him a beer for life. dt At 02:53 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote: On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:33 PM, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: Did someone once put up a calculator which which worked out fret positions, in meantone, for a given string length? Stuart It's not exactly a calculator, but it has a table with numbers to multiply string length with. http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: meantone fret position measurements
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:35 AM, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I can vouch that David's system works perfectly and as I result I owe him a beer for life. I'll take you up on that one! David - just wondering: won't that give a headache for life? *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
