Re: Is my root partition dying?

[David Zuccaro via luv-main]

On 17/12/15 20:00, Robert Parker via luv-main wrote:


Too true Craig.

I do my regular backup without the --delete option but then log what 
would have been deleted otherwise.
From time to time I follow that by viewing the log with the cache crap 
filtered out and when I am happy that the potential deletions are what 
I intended I run rsync using --delete to get rid of the nonsense.



The problem with this approach is that if you need to do a full restore 
you will have to restore the cruft and have no way of distinguishing it 
from the non-cruft.


These are the options I use:

nice rsync -avgSH --delete --delete-excluded --ignore-errors 
--delete-after --exclude-from="/sbin/dzexlist" \
/ "$dest_dir"bu | tee -a /var/log/dzbu/$logfname 
"$dest_dir"log/$logfname# copy changed files


Anyone know where I can buy a >= 2TB disk in the Elwood area?
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Re: Is my root partition dying?

[Russell Coker via luv-main]

On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:58:56 PM David Zuccaro via luv-main wrote:
> Anyone know where I can buy a >= 2TB disk in the Elwood area?

http://www.msy.com.au/stores

MSY has a store in Malvern.  MSY generally has low prices, good service, and a 
reasonable stock of everything that's common.

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Re: Backups with rsync [Was: Is my root partition dying?]

[Erik Christiansen via luv-main]

On 18.12.15 22:45, Chris Samuel via luv-main wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 11:06:10 PM Erik Christiansen via luv-main wrote:
> 
> > I'm not grokking the benefit of doing the rsync _and_ a "cp -al". I just
> > include -aH in my rsync options, the -H to preserve hard links. Seems to
> > work.
> 
> The idea is to have snapshots over time, rather than a single snapshot.  For 
> instance as implemented in:
> 
> http://rsnapshot.org/

Thanks Chris, that was not in doubt. What I didn't realise was that the
links appear to be between unchanged files across backup versions, to
save space. (Whereas my local concern has only been to ensure that the
backup is not distorted by failure to preserve the fs structure.)

It's around 8 years since I used an HP tape carousel for daily + weekly
backups at work. Not doing that any more, so have devolved to just a
couple of rotating snapshots, with no need to link between them to save
space. 

Erik
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Re: Backups with rsync [Was: Is my root partition dying?]

[Chris Samuel via luv-main]

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 11:06:10 PM Erik Christiansen via luv-main wrote:

> I'm not grokking the benefit of doing the rsync _and_ a "cp -al". I just
> include -aH in my rsync options, the -H to preserve hard links. Seems to
> work.

The idea is to have snapshots over time, rather than a single snapshot.  For 
instance as implemented in:

http://rsnapshot.org/

All the best,
Chris
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Re: Is my root partition dying?

[Robert Parker via luv-main]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 4:58 PM, David Zuccaro <
david.zucc...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> On 17/12/15 20:00, Robert Parker via luv-main wrote:
>
>>
>> Too true Craig.
>>
>> I do my regular backup without the --delete option but then log what
>> would have been deleted otherwise.
>> From time to time I follow that by viewing the log with the cache crap
>> filtered out and when I am happy that the potential deletions are what I
>> intended I run rsync using --delete to get rid of the nonsense.
>>
>>
>> The problem with this approach is that if you need to do a full restore
> you will have to restore the cruft and have no way of distinguishing it
> from the non-cruft.
>
>

I only consider stuff like browser cache stuff cruft for when I view my
logs. I filter the stuff out when I view my logs so all I see is what I
have deleted, not what the applications did.

In the event of a restore I want my browser history back. If there is a bit
of stuff there that should not have been because I have not used --delete
in a few days, then the browsers will just delete them again. It's nothing
I need to worry about.

I do use an --exclude-file for stuff that I really don't want.

Bob
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Re: Is my root partition dying?

[Colin Fee via luv-main]

On 18 Dec 2015 8:59 pm, "David Zuccaro via luv-main" 
wrote:
>
> On 17/12/15 20:00, Robert Parker via luv-main wrote:
>>
>>
>> Too true Craig.
>>
>> I do my regular backup without the --delete option but then log what
would have been deleted otherwise.
>> From time to time I follow that by viewing the log with the cache crap
filtered out and when I am happy that the potential deletions are what I
intended I run rsync using --delete to get rid of the nonsense.
>>
>>
> The problem with this approach is that if you need to do a full restore
you will have to restore the cruft and have no way of distinguishing it
from the non-cruft.
>
> These are the options I use:
>
> nice rsync -avgSH --delete --delete-excluded --ignore-errors
--delete-after --exclude-from="/sbin/dzexlist" \
> / "$dest_dir"bu | tee -a /var/log/dzbu/$logfname
"$dest_dir"log/$logfname# copy changed files
>
> Anyone know where I can buy a >= 2TB disk in the Elwood ?

CentreCom at the bottom end of Glenhuntly Rd in Elsternwick is close.
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Re: Fixing the LUV list?

[Craig Sanders via luv-main]

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 04:18:37PM +1100, Erik Christiansen via luv-main wrote:

> And I concur, holding secret discussions on another list is not an
> acceptable substitute to addressing this list's problems here.

they weren't secret discussions.  luv-talk is a public list, and 
the changes were made to that list first, and then on luv-main.


it wasn't exactly a discussion, either.  an announcement was
made and a few people (including myself) objected.

craig

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Re: Is my root partition dying?

[Craig Sanders via luv-main]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 09:17:49PM +1100, Russell Coker via luv-main wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2015 08:58:56 PM David Zuccaro via luv-main wrote:
> > Anyone know where I can buy a >= 2TB disk in the Elwood area?
> 
> http://www.msy.com.au/stores
> 
> MSY has a store in Malvern.  MSY generally has low prices, good service, and 
> a 
> reasonable stock of everything that's common.

good service if what you want to do is just buy stuff with no fuss,
and without needing any advice or to ask anything but the most basic
questions (like "how much?"). they're great if you know what you want
and want it at a good price, but IME they're not in the least bit
focussed on answering questions.

this is good for me because i'd rather not pay extra to have "service"
staff on hand who know only a tiny fraction of what i know, or am
capable of researching online, anyway.


craig

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Re: Fixing the LUV list?

[Erik Christiansen via luv-main]

On 05.12.15 12:57, Brian May via luv-main wrote:
> Chris Samuel via luv-main  writes:
> 
> > I tried emailing the committee, but that just got moderated and I've not 
> > heard 
> > anything since, so I was wondering are was any progress on fix the LUV 
> > mailing 
> > list to not rewrite the From: header?
> 
> First you need to convince the list administor to change it back. There
> was a long discussion on luv-talk (something like this should have been
> discussed on luv-main IMHO) you may have missed, see the first messsage:

Is there any progress on this problem? It is bloody annoying that it has
screwed up thread identification in mutt. To wit; the pattern ~(~P)
works on every list but this one, now.

And I concur, holding secret discussions on another list is not an
acceptable substitute to addressing this list's problems here.

Erik
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