Re: [Lynx-dev] Mutt to lynx on FreeBSD?
At 09:47 a -0500 02/07/2015, Thomas Dickey didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: hmm - it's been quite a while since I did this - my .mailcap is different (and I use mutt): text/html; lynx-cs -force_html -stdin Thanks so much! That --or to be precise, this-- worked: text/html; lynx -force_html -stdin -W ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] Mutt to lynx on FreeBSD?
I'm trying to set up Mutt to use Lynx to view HTML mail. After googling for info, I tried seting up a .mailcap like this: text/html; lynx %s; copiousoutput; but when I went to view an email, I was still stuck in Mutt. I suspended the program to do a ps, and saw this: #6:27am# /home/boo ps PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 77561 p0 Ss 0:00.17 -tcsh (tcsh) 96620 p0 T 0:00.06 mutt -F /usr/home/boo/.Muttrc 96626 p0 T 0:00.00 sh -c lynx '/tmp/muttYYvC91' 96627 p0 T 0:00.08 lynx /tmp/muttYYvC91 96641 p0 R+ 0:00.00 ps How to configure to make lynx display an email? thanks, -Walter ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Finally got cookie file to save (2.8.7rel.1)
At 06:51 a -0500 11/17/2011, Thomas Dickey didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 07:21:53PM -0700, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: At 07:48 p -0500 11/16/2011, Thomas Dickey didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: I can recall some case where cookies would be relevant to server disconnect. But more often than not, the clues are in the trace file. I recently moved my website from Verio to another host, and I copied my old .lynx_cookies file to reuse on the new host. Yet when I'm in Lynx and hit ^K, it tells me the cookie jar is empty. The cookie file is 8K; it's not empty. perhaps it's looking in a different place? running lynx -trace -trace-mask=32 . should show where it's reading from Current directory is /usr/home/boo http://walteriankaye.com/misc/Lynx.trace-wik.gz (password replaced with asterisks) Did the cookie file format change at any point? Copying my cookie file from the Lynx on my old server should work, right? Of course I'm having issues with the tiny cookie file Lynx replaces it with too. -W ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Finally got cookie file to save (2.8.7rel.1)
At 08:35 p -0500 11/14/2011, Thomas Dickey didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 08:28:41PM -0700, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: I've had Lynx version 2.8.7rel.1 for a while, and was never able to get it to save my cookies before. I *finally* got it working, and I don't know if the error was a program bug or a documentation bug. # COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is the default file in which persistent cookies are # stored at exit, if Lynx was compiled with USE_PERSISTENT_COOKIES and the # PERSISTENT_COOKIES option is enabled. The cookie save file can also be # specified on the command line. # # With an interactive Lynx session, COOKIE_SAVE_FILE will default to # COOKIE_FILE if it is not set. With a non-interactive Lynx session (e.g., # -dump), cookies will only be saved to file if COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is set. # #COOKIE_SAVE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies See, the documentation says it's not necessary for an interactive session, but I found that it *was* necessary. That is the only way I got the file to appear. Whew. (And yes, COOKIE_FILE was already set.) was PERSISTENT_COOKIES set? (just checking - I don't see anything obviously incorrect in the logic). Yup, unless there's some invisible character mucking it up. BTW, now each time I launch Lynx and go to Google, it says unexpected server disconnect and it doesn't remember me from the previous session; I have to log in again each time. So maybe the problem is with the persistent cookies setting? Was there a bug fixed in a later version? .h2 PERSISTENT_COOKIES # PERSISTENT_COOKIES indicates that cookies should be read at startup from # the COOKIE_FILE, and saved at exit for storage between Lynx sessions. # It is not used if Lynx was compiled without USE_PERSISTENT_COOKIES. # The default is FALSE, so that the feature needs to be enabled here # explicitly if you want it. # #PERSISTENT_COOKIES:FALSE PERSISTENT_COOKIES:TRUE .h2 COOKIE_FILE # COOKIE_FILE is the default file from which persistent cookies are read # at startup (if the file exists), if Lynx was compiled with # USE_PERSISTENT_COOKIES and the PERSISTENT_COOKIES option is enabled. # The cookie file can also be specified in .lynxrc or on the command line. # #COOKIE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies COOKIE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies .h2 COOKIE_SAVE_FILE # COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is the default file in which persistent cookies are # stored at exit, if Lynx was compiled with USE_PERSISTENT_COOKIES and the # PERSISTENT_COOKIES option is enabled. The cookie save file can also be # specified on the command line. # # With an interactive Lynx session, COOKIE_SAVE_FILE will default to # COOKIE_FILE if it is not set. With a non-interactive Lynx session (e.g., # -dump), cookies will only be saved to file if COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is set. # #COOKIE_SAVE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies COOKIE_SAVE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Finally got cookie file to save (2.8.7rel.1)
At 07:48 p -0500 11/16/2011, Thomas Dickey didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 04:09:41PM -0700, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: was PERSISTENT_COOKIES set? (just checking - I don't see anything obviously incorrect in the logic). Yup, unless there's some invisible character mucking it up. that's not likely (though it's also possible to see all of the configured values using -trace-mask and -trace). Going through the options screen links, everything looks right. BTW, now each time I launch Lynx and go to Google, it says unexpected server disconnect and it doesn't remember me from the previous session; I have to log in again each time. So maybe the problem is with the persistent cookies setting? Was there a bug fixed in a later version? I made a couple of cookie changes for Debian #460108, as well as another: Doesn't seem to apply. I recently moved my website from Verio to another host, and I copied my old .lynx_cookies file to reuse on the new host. Yet when I'm in Lynx and hit ^K, it tells me the cookie jar is empty. The cookie file is 8K; it's not empty. What's going on? ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Finally got cookie file to save (2.8.7rel.1)
At 07:52 a -0800 11/14/2011, Graham Lawrence didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Walter Ian Kaye lynx-...@natural-innovations.com wrote: # # With an interactive Lynx session, COOKIE_SAVE_FILE will default to # COOKIE_FILE if it is not set. With a non-interactive Lynx session (e..g., # -dump), cookies will only be saved to file if COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is set. # #COOKIE_SAVE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies This has never been an issue for me so not sure, but I think the above says essentially:- Interactive, COOKIE_SAVE_FILE not necessary, will default to COOKIE_FILE Non-interactive, COOKIE_SAVE_FILE *must* be set, COOKIE_FILE will not be used and below, COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is commented out Right, that's what it says; but that's not what my experience was. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] Finally got cookie file to save (2.8.7rel.1)
I've had Lynx version 2.8.7rel.1 for a while, and was never able to get it to save my cookies before. I *finally* got it working, and I don't know if the error was a program bug or a documentation bug. # COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is the default file in which persistent cookies are # stored at exit, if Lynx was compiled with USE_PERSISTENT_COOKIES and the # PERSISTENT_COOKIES option is enabled. The cookie save file can also be # specified on the command line. # # With an interactive Lynx session, COOKIE_SAVE_FILE will default to # COOKIE_FILE if it is not set. With a non-interactive Lynx session (e.g., # -dump), cookies will only be saved to file if COOKIE_SAVE_FILE is set. # #COOKIE_SAVE_FILE:~/.lynx_cookies See, the documentation says it's not necessary for an interactive session, but I found that it *was* necessary. That is the only way I got the file to appear. Whew. (And yes, COOKIE_FILE was already set.) Hope this helps someone. :) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] maclynx -- utf8-ignore and/or update...
At 02:58 p -0400 05/29/2010, Thomas Dickey didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Sat, 29 May 2010, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: Anyway, I kind of wonder if the `Load Internally' thing worked for him. Is a bit tedious since it adds an extra step to viewing any UTF-8 page, but I managed okay. I've wanted to view all sorts of text/* files (CSS, JavaScript, etc.) in addition to various encodings. I've generally saved to disk and then opened from there. Never understood why Lynx made me go through that, as Lynx is so smart in other ways. There's two different cases: a) UTF-8 is an encoding that wasn't supported in lynx 2.7.1, so (like some CJK encodings still unsupported...), lynx just downloads it. b) CSS, etc., are different mime types. In principle, one could lynx to pretend they're just a type of plain-text (but that's not always simple). I guess what I don't understand is, what could possibly go wrong with treating unknown text/* as text/plain? Actually I'd like the option of viewing any file as text/plain (such as .doc), because various binary file formats actually contain a lot of plain text plus some binary data, and I'm interested in the plain text data. You know, kind of like how Lynx sees the important parts of the Web. ;) -W ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] maclynx -- utf8-ignore and/or update...
At 11:23 a -0700 05/28/2010, Patrick didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Fri, 28 May 2010 09:32:43 -0700 Walter Ian Kaye wrote: At 04:29 a -0700 05/26/2010, Patrick didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Wed, 26 May 2010 12:19:33 +0200 (CEST) tom.kr...@campus.lmu.de wrote: hello, I managed to get maclynx 2.7.1 beta 1 working on a powerbook 100. But if your Powerbook is running MacOS X, you should be able to find a much more recent version of Lynx built for OSX OS X on a PowerBook 100? Haha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahahahaha. And I should take this as a... no? Probably a no. # Apple Macintosh PowerBook 100 Specs @ EveryMac.com (p1 of 3) Introduction Date: October 21, 1991 Discontinued Date: August 3, 1992 Processor Type: 68HC000 Processor Speed: 16 MHz [...] Maximum RAM: 8 MB [...] Supported MacOS: 7.0.1-7.5.1,7.5.3-7.5.5 Anyway, I kind of wonder if the `Load Internally' thing worked for him. Is a bit tedious since it adds an extra step to viewing any UTF-8 page, but I managed okay. I've wanted to view all sorts of text/* files (CSS, JavaScript, etc.) in addition to various encodings. I've generally saved to disk and then opened from there. Never understood why Lynx made me go through that, as Lynx is so smart in other ways. -W ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] maclynx -- utf8-ignore and/or update...
At 04:29 a -0700 05/26/2010, Patrick didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Wed, 26 May 2010 12:19:33 +0200 (CEST) tom.kr...@campus.lmu.de wrote: hello, I managed to get maclynx 2.7.1 beta 1 working on a powerbook 100. But if your Powerbook is running MacOS X, you should be able to find a much more recent version of Lynx built for OSX OS X on a PowerBook 100? Haha. Hahahaha. Hahahahahahahahaha. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] HTML BUTTON element
At 4:34 PM +0100 5/28/09, Ian Collier didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 08:45:58AM -0600, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I find it absurd that many JavaScript buttons simply say OnClick open another page. That is merely an anchor done the hard way. Agree. Similarly, a lot of buttons (or text links) say OnClick document.forms.foo.submit() which is fairly pointless. I was going to reference Rube Goldberg, but I don't want to insult him. :-) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] Maximum nesting of HTML elements exceeded (zap2it)
The format of tvlistings.zap2it.com changed yesterday. Just when I thought it was now beautifully Lynx-optimized, I see the error Maximum nesting of HTML elements exceeded flash on the screen, and I think the innermost LIs were truncated. What is the nesting limit? Is this a Lynx issue or a site issue? ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Maximum nesting of HTML elements exceeded (zap2it)
At 07:48 p -0500 02/08/2008, Thomas Dickey didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: The format of tvlistings.zap2it.com changed yesterday. Just when I thought it was now beautifully Lynx-optimized, I see the error Maximum nesting of HTML elements exceeded flash on the screen, and I think the innermost LIs were truncated. What is the nesting limit? Is this a Lynx issue or a site issue? It's likely a problem with the page - some don't nest the tags properly. You can usually work around those by using the tagsoup mode (toggle using control/V). Wow, tagsoup mode looks completely different -- only one level of list. ---Strict--- Logo 4 KRON KRON 4 News at 5 # NEW KRON 4 News at 5:30 @ NEW KRON 4 News at 6 - NEW KRON 4 News at 6:30 = NEW The Insider Preparations for the Grammy Awards. * NEW Entertainment Tonight John Legend; Dr. Phil McGraw. + NEW ---Tagsoup--- Logo 4 KRON KRON 4 News at 5 * NEW KRON 4 News at 5:30 * NEW KRON 4 News at 6 * NEW KRON 4 News at 6:30 * NEW The Insider Preparations for the Grammy Awards. * NEW Entertainment Tonight John Legend; Dr. Phil McGraw. * NEW ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] problem on an ISO-8859-1 terminal
At 04:21 p +0900 06/13/2007, Atsuhito Kohda didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:42:57 -0400 (EDT), Thomas Dickey wrote: My impression is that it was chosen to be visually distinct from a plain -, but that it could be modified to make it less distinct... So the intention is to distinguish the minus sign from the hyphen, am I right? I'm afraid it is difficult to visually distinguish them on a text terminal. Any Fawlty Towers fans here? The fire bell is a semitone higher :D (Sorry, it just reminded me of that.) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] important improvements
Oh, speaking of these functions... When I do the nudge up or down, lines get pooted out to scrollback. If there is any way to nudge without that happening, it sure would be nice. thanks :) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Would Lynx try to download iFrames, External Javascript etc
At 12:17 a + 06/08/2007, Thorsten Glaser didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Rashmi Rubdi dixit: I'm trying to test an html page with Lynx to see if Lynx tries to make additional connections to get an iFrame or external javascript or external image src , if the html page contains those elements. Of course not. And Lynx doesn't need to prefetch (is that the term?) anything, because it is so fast. The browsers which have that feat^H^H^H^Hbehavior are slow, and are prefetching in order to appear faster. Lynx only fetches what you ask for, and does it nicely fast. No muss, no fuss. Just the text, ma'am. :D -boo blanking on the theme music for Dragnet ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] goto user specific url or file - improvement
At 05:16 p +0200 05/18/2007, nomead daemon didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: it will be more usefull for me if it is done in following way: for example, user insert via 'g' command following sites. www.google.com www.gsomeothersite.com www.othersite.com now, after www.g and using up/down keys only first two entries will be available. Oh, I love that feature of tcsh... although I have no idea how it got enabled (anyone know what shell setting to look for? I wanna add it to another system). ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] 403 forbidden in Lynx but not other browsers?
Why can't Lynx get to the site? Here's a trace log excerpt: HTParse: (ABS) HTParse: result:`' HTParse: aName:`http://eliashbyhealingarts.com/' relatedName:`' want: host HTParse: result:`eliashbyhealingarts.com' LYCookie: Searching for 'eliashbyhealingarts.com:80', '/'. Composing Authorization for eliashbyhealingarts.com:80/ HTAASetup_lookup: No template matched `' (so probably not protected) HTTP: Not sending authorization (yet). Writing: GET / HTTP/1.0\r Host: eliashbyhealingarts.com\r Accept: text/html, text/plain, application/xhtml+xml, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01\r Accept-Encoding: gzip, compress\r Accept-Language: en\r User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.5rel.4 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.7d\r \r -- Sending HTTP request. HTTP: WRITE delivered OK HTTP request sent; waiting for response. HTTP: Trying to read 1535 HTTP: Read 197 HTTP: Rx: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden HTTP: Scanned 2 fields from line_buffer --- Talking HTTP1. Alert!: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden HTFormat: Constructing stream stack for www/mime to www/present HTFormat: Looking up presentation for www/mime to www/present StreamStack: found weak wildcard match: www/present FindPresentation: found exact match: www/mime StreamStack: found exact match: www/mime StreamStack: Returning MIMEParser HTMIME: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:46:46 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.37 (Unix) PHP/4.3.8 mod_ssl/2.8.28 OpenSSL/0.9.7d Connection: close ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Supported HTML TAG div ??
At 12:42 a +0100 03/01/2007, Bernhard Frühmesser didst inscribe upon
an electronic papyrus:
Hello,
I found a page which looks really good in graphical design so i
wanted to copy a few things from the html code, the page is fully
XHTML 1.0 compatible and the page works fine with all graphical
browsers, but within lynx the navigaion menu isn´t shown.
I searched the web for info if maybe the tag div isn´t supported by
lynx. I know since the png files are images lynx doesn´t show them,
but is there a way that the links can be shown in lynx?
Thanks for any info!
BF.
Here is an example of how the menu stuff works:
[snip]
a style=display: block; height: 24px; left: 455px; position:
absolute; top: 24px; width: 99px; z-index: 2;
onmouseout=NBmouseout('4'); href=Impressum.html
onmouseover=NBmouseover('4'); title=Impressum/a
It's a 100% JavaScript menu -- there is no content for the A element.
DIV has nothing to do with the issue. If you turned off JavaScript in
your graphical browsers, the menu would be broken there, too.
If the menu were built with CSS and no JS, then it would function in Lynx.
There are many examples of pure CSS menus on the Web, including
explanations of how they work. If you google, maybe you'll find one
you like. :-)
-boo
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[Lynx-dev] Re: lynx2.8.7dev.2 distfile size/checksum mismatch
At 05:17 p + 02/05/2007, Thorsten Glaser didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Thomas Dickey dixit: I get the 3188012b file too. Seems as if the distfile changed, but why? (NB: This is the nightmare of all porters and packagers.) I haven't touched it... Interesting. I'll see whether I can dig up the old distfile, or rather, when, and then compare them. For now, just build with NO_CHECKSUM=Yes. Disclaimer: I did not tell you that ;) Even if you did, I have no clue how to tell mmake that. Or how to clear out the current abnormal state, which should probably be done first. Man, I miss Lynx. It's a vital part of how I use my Mac. I feel so unproductive without it. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] mac version
At 09:52 a + 02/04/2007, Thorsten Glaser didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Walter Ian Kaye dixit: I will commit something to catch this error earlier. Done now (well, days ago). A 'cvs up' in infrastructure/ will get you that. So, um, what should I do in the meantime? :-) The command below % sudo chown -R user:user /usr/mirports/Distfiles should help you (replace user by your user name). should have helped you already. Like I said, the permission problem was local - the directory where downloaded sources are stored did belong to the root user because the setup was done as root. #4:09pm# /usr/mirports/www/lynx sudo chown -R boo:boo /usr/mirports/Distfiles Password: chown: boo: Invalid argument ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] mac version
At 11:22 p -0500 02/04/2007, Stef Caunter didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: chown -R foo bar chgrp -R foo bar On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: I can't seem to recursively change group, only owner. :/ Oh, it turned out to be dumber than that. I was blindly following TG's instruction, and there is no group 'boo' on my computer. (It's 'staff' here, perhaps because it is an admin account?) Unix was just giving a non-helpful error message. Either way, mirports still ain't workin' OMM. :( I even tried deleting the files in Distfiles/ (since trying to refetch wasn't working either), but no joy. -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] mac version
At 05:59 a + 01/29/2007, Thorsten Glaser didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Walter Ian Kaye dixit: I don't understand your question Okay: Normally, no FreeBSD server is called. I have no idea why your computer seems to be contacting them. Could you maybe produce a _full_ build log? Send that via private mail to Benny and me, or put it up at http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/ - the site where I learned to *love* lynx' ability to invoke an external editor on a text field, because I can read in large files etc. there then - and send us the resulting URI. OK, here it is: http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/9287 thanks, -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] mac version
At 05:14 p + 01/28/2007, Thorsten Glaser didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Walter Ian Kaye dixit: $ mmake install clean Um, that didn't work: 220 ftp.FreeBSD.org NcFTPd Server (licensed copy) ready. [] 250 /pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles is new cwd. Do you have something with FreeBSD in the environment? I don't understand your question ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] mac version
At 07:26 p +0100 01/18/2007, Benny Siegert didst inscribe upon an
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Am 2007/01/17 um 6:17 schrieb Thorsten Glaser:
Walter Ian Kaye dixit:
[ MirPorts ]
How do I download/install it on my Mac?
If you use tcsh, some of the commands are a little bit different:
$ cd /usr
$ sudo mkdir mirports
% sudo chown `id -u` mirports
% setenv CVS_RSH ssh
$ cvs -d [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs co -PAd mirports ports
$ cd ports
cd mirports
$ sudo sh Setup.sh -e
% source /usr/mpkg/db/SetEnv.csh
$ cd www/lynx
$ mmake install clean
Um, that didn't work:
220 ftp.FreeBSD.org NcFTPd Server (licensed copy) ready.
331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password.
230-You are user #186 of 1000 simultaneous users allowed.
230-
230 Logged in anonymously.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
200 Type okay.
250 /pub is new cwd.
250-/pub/FreeBSD is new cwd.
250-
250-If you're looking for one of the FreeBSD releases, please look in the
250-releases/${ARCH}/${RELNAME} directory, where ARCH = alpha, amd64,
250-i386, ia64, pc98, or sparc64 and RELNAME = the release
250-you're interested in, e.g. 6.1-RELEASE or 5.5-RELEASE.
250-
250
250 /pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles is new cwd.
501 Syntax error in parameters.
221 Goodbye.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/mirports/www/lynx (line 2264 of
/usr/mirports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/mirports/www/lynx (line 1658 of
/usr/mirports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/mirports/www/lynx (line 1859 of
/usr/mirports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk).
Oh, and SetEnv.csh is tested as I use it myself.
--Benny.
PS: Please Cc me on replies, as I am not subscribed to lynx-dev.
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Re: [Lynx-dev] mac version
At 06:09 p + 12/17/2006, Thorsten Glaser didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Chuck Houpt dixit: Thanks, I'll add the entries below to the list. For MirPorts, I couldn't find a link for the Lynx package itself. Do you know if one exists? Yes, there is none. You may link to CVSweb: http://cvs.mirbsd.de/ports/www/lynx/ But we don't provide binary packages at the moment, due to lack of developers. How do I download/install it on my Mac? (I just upgraded from 10.2 to 10.4 and I'm going nuts without Lynx) thanks, -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host.
At 10:52p -0500 12/04/2006, Philip Webb didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: 061205 Henry Nelson wrote: I can view the page with MSIE What's that ... (grin) ? Microsoft Slaves' Incessant Exasperation ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] can't access startfile
OK, this stupid error has been driving me nuts for years and I'm finally reporting it. Lynx is the *only* browser which auto-quits just because it can't find a page. This causes loss of session data and wastes people's time and patience. Can we please have a Lynx that will stick around until told to quit? (Desired behavior: if no cache found, display a blank page on that error instead of quitting. And if found later, then access it then.) thanks, -Walter ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and interactive parts of css
At 10:00p -0400 10/25/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: 20061026 02:02 +0200, Henning Haeske In order to fulfill the needs of the normal-graphical users for interactivity I have the following construct: text text text text text div class=footnote1 div class=footnotetext footnote text footnote text footnote text /div /div continue text text text text text Footnote is defined in css using the interactive parts of css, namely :hover. It works perfectly with graphical browsers and speech synthesis but in lynx this woud look like this: text text text text text footnote text footnote text footnote text continue text text text text text Is that really open text within div with no p around it? That is not proper HTML. Interesting. My question would be Does Lynx oddly treat DIV as an inline element instead of a block element? I always thought that DIVs automatically create linebreaks unless overridden by CSS. I mean, isn't that why all those awful HTML emails have DIVnbsp;/DIV and such -- to simulate linebreaks? ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] Re: Nested lists
At 09:51a -0400 09/26/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: 20060927 08:34 +, David Woolley Creative use of DL has always been a controversial area. There are some people who consider that it should only be use for definition lists. However, I think that this example is so clearly a nested un-numbered list, and that is the interpretation that most people who bother to mark up site maps structurally seem to make. I confess I never have seen a site map. Wanna see 3 alternate (and outdated) ones? http://natural-innovations.com/site/map.html bother is right -- 3 was too much, and HotSauce passed into history. I will not be porting my 'choosemap' script to my new server, but its log file could be somewhat interesting. :-) I was moved by the grouping of submenus under Menu in one level, and for that dd and dt seemed right, and that in a TR or something else found under www.w3.org/MarkUp it said that there are other uses of definition lists. Indeed, I could argue that in fact the items in a menu define that menu, and menu items in DD define the menu title in the DT, and thus DLs are more meaningful and logical than ULs. Arbitrarily restricting the usage to purely literary meaning seems silly in a multimedia world rich with puns and double entendres. Why can't DLs define menus? It makes perfect sense to me for them to do so. 20060927 08:34 +, David Woolley In particular, DL is should never be used if the only intention is to achieve indentation. That was not my only intention, as I have now clarified. -boolean boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Nested lists
At 08:59p -0700 09/24/2006, Walter Ian Kaye didst inscribe upon an
electronic papyrus:
OK, so I'm stuck with bullets in Lynx, no way to hide 'em. :/
This seems to look right :-) in Safari:
I cleaned up the CSS, based on some code I found online (the example
had 'li ul li ul li' -- dunno why so many; doesn't seem to need any
more than 'li ul'):
HTML
HEAD
TITLESite Map tests/TITLE
STYLE
!--
#sitemap { margin-left: 0em; padding-left: 0em }
#sitemap LI{ margin-left: 0em; padding-left: 0em; list-style: none; }
#sitemap LI UL { margin-left: 1em; padding-left: 1em; margin-top: 0 }
--
/STYLE
/HEAD
BODY
UL ID=sitemap
LIA HREF=xMenu Level 1/A:UL !--home page--
LIA HREF=xsubmenu level 1a/A/LI
LIA HREF=xsubmenu level 1b/A/LI
LIA HREF=xMenu Level 2/A:UL
LIA HREF=xsubmenu level 2a/A/LI
LIA HREF=xsubmenu level 2b/A/LI
LIA HREF=xMenu Level 3/A:UL
LIA HREF=xsubmenu level 3a/A/LI
LIA HREF=xsubmenu level 3b/A/LI
LIA HREF=xMenu Level 4/A:/LIUL
LIA HREF=xsubmenu level 4a/A/LI
LIA HREF=xsubmenu level 4b/A/LI
/UL/LI
/UL/LI
/UL/LI
/UL/LI
/UL
/BODY
/HTML
PS. Thorsten: try BRnbsp; for a blank line ;)
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[Lynx-dev] HRs
I noticed that HRs in Lynx are a bit short, so when interspersed with left-aligned content it looks messy unless I do HR ALIGN=left. Is there another way? ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Nested lists
At 08:36a +0100 09/24/2006, David Woolley didst inscribe upon an
electronic papyrus:
You are not currently using logical HTML elements. This is an abuse
of the DL element. Site maps are, logically, nested, normally
unumbered, lists (i.e.) UL. You should use these and style out the
marker and accept that some browsers don't support or don't adequately
support style sheets.
OK, so I'm stuck with bullets in Lynx, no way to hide 'em. :/
This seems to look right :-) in Safari:
HTML
HEAD
TITLESite Map tests/TITLE
STYLE
!--
UL.menu0 { margin-left: 0em; padding-left: 0em }
UL.menu1 { margin-left: 0em; padding-left: 2em }
LI.menu0 { margin-left: 0em; padding-left: 0em; list-style: none }
LI.menu1 { margin-left: -2em; padding-left: 2em; list-style: none }
--
/STYLE
/HEAD
BODY
H3Text (UL nesting + stylesheet)/H3
UL CLASS=menu0
LI CLASS=menu0Menu Level 1:UL CLASS=menu1 !--home page--
LI CLASS=menu1submenu level 1a/LI
LI CLASS=menu1submenu level 1b/LI
LI CLASS=menu1Menu Level 2:UL CLASS=menu1
LI CLASS=menu1submenu level 2a/LI
LI CLASS=menu1submenu level 2b/LI
LI CLASS=menu1Menu Level 3:UL CLASS=menu1
LI CLASS=menu1submenu level 3a/LI
/UL/LI
/UL/LI
/UL/LI
/UL
/BODY
/HTML
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[Lynx-dev] Nested lists
I want to create a site map with indenting, like so: Menu Level 1 submenu level 1a submenu level 1b Menu Level 2 submenu level 2a submenu level 2b But when I try to do it with nested DL's, the formatting is all wonky (indents don't match up, and leading blank line on DL disrupts the flow). How can I do this using logical HTML elements? Is it possible? I don't want to use PRE or BRs because then lines won't wrap to indents. tnx, -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Open terminal and lynx opens automatically
At 03:00p -0600 08/15/2006, trash didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: You must think I'm a nut by now. I'm just very frustrated with Lynx. Sorry to send again, Lynx version is 2.8.6 (not 2.8.5) Problem: Installed Lynx for Mac OS 10.3. Lynx version is 2.8.6 After installing Lynx, every time I open a new Terminal window, lynx opens. I only want Lynx to open when I tell it to open. I use Terminal quite often, but I can't figure out how to stop Lynx from starting. I have since removed the Lynx.command file from the Applications folder, however, now when I open terminal, the OS can't find lynx and therefore the terminal window closes. Using Bash. I want to remove Lynx completely. The text version of the browser isn't nearly as important as Bash. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Lynx is not telling itself to run. Did you check your Terminal preferences as was suggested? ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] text browsing
At 08:15p -0500 07/28/2006, Stef Caunter didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Debatable. You think it's debatable whether being unable to use to Yahoo or SourceForge or do any e-commerce is crippling? Wow. Getting a binary up this quickly is quite convenient. Yeah, but if it doesn't do what one needs, it's pointless. To add any ssl functionality to lynx requires a compile and always has in my experience. I guess you're referring to the licensing discussion? Even without ssl you still get that 'real view' of the web, scriptable, customizable and fast. But without any access to hundreds of important web sites. Not exactly a selling point. Unless you think that SSL is evil and any web site which uses it sucks, but I've never heard of anyone who believes that. On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: A non-SSL Lynx is a crippled Lynx. Can't even log in to Yahoo, let alone do any online shopping. Nice PoC, though. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] text browsing
At 12:44a + 07/28/2006, Thorsten Glaser didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Walter Ian Kaye dixit: There are no links for Mac OS X either. Oops. Does Mac OSX come shipped without lynx? This cries for a lynx port in the MirPorts Framework. //mirabile I think the original public beta back in 1999 (or whenever it was) may have had lynx, but the shipping versions never have. (Do you suppose it had anything to do with the 1997 Microsoft five-year agreement for IE as default browser?) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx developer/user group? If not, could one be started?
At 10:22a -0700 07/22/2006, Rick Platt didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Recently I was playing and loaded FreeBSD on an old desktop. When I was playing I found out that Lynx was there, and tried to play with it. My recollection is that when I tried www.yahoo.com, that worked kinda okay, but logging into the customized my.yahoo.com did not work. Yahoo's login requires SSL. Lynx can be compiled with or without SSL support. If your lynx couldn't login, that may be why. Reinstall. :) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] JS question
At 12:37p -0500 07/15/2006, David Feustel didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: From: David Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:31:28 +0100 (BST) dfeustel wrote: I would like to be able to use webmail from home. I am now thinking about trying to add JS to Lynx myself, but I am wondering just how big a project that really is. I'm running OpenBSD 3.9. I'd guess its somewhere between a 30 and 50% re-write, to implement the correct object models. You may be able to port an actual scripting interpreter with less effort, but it is useless without the object model support. It has been suggested that a text only interface to Mozilla would be a lot cheaper to implement. That sounds good! I had been wondering about a text-only interface to Konqueror too. I like Konqueror but it requires X-windows which I stopped using because of security considerations. Now I do everything in console mode using Lynx, Vim and Tin. Could Mozilla actually be used by a console interface, or is GUI stuff woven into the librar(y|ies)? (I'm guessing not since that would impede porting.) Perhaps such a thing could be called moz :D And I would like such a thing to have as Lynx-like an interface as possible, perhaps with an optional touch of FoxPro/DOS character-gui-ness. :D ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] JS question
Of course right after sending that, I remembered that FP/DOS relied on the cp437 character set. But if one could figure out how to have one's charset and eat it too, that'd be way cool. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Mac Version
At 08:21a -0600 02/14/2006, José H. Espinosa didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Feb 13, 2006, at 10:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a recent note, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_H._Espinosa?= said: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:48:32 -0600 The fink version is alive and kicking! I am maintaining it, the version 2.8.5 should be available soon. Of course, the OP may be hoping for a package that uses the friendly Mac installer rather than Developer Tools. (Does fink do this?) You do not need Developer Tools if you are using the stable version with no ssl support. And if you use fink commander you should not have any problem. Umm, so... is there an SSL version for 10.4.x? (Figured I'd ask a more specific question) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] form action not defined?
I went to http://mail.dice.com/cgi-bin10/DM/y/mYs30KOvou0KXq0BCRo0F8email=dice @natural-innovations.com to unsubscribe from their list, but the submit button didn't work -- Lynx said there was no form action defined. But when I viewed source, there was an action attribute on the form tag. ?? ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx offers only D or C for a .css-file (file says C prog): how to DISPLAY? - patch submit
At 04:06a -0500 01/21/2006, Stef Caunter didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: this entry in .mailcap works by calling a pager: text/css; less %s; copiousoutput But this is not ideal, and it would be a good feature to include css browsing. And javascript browsing, too (I brought that up once before). ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] lynx and forms
At 04:31p -0500 12/26/2005, Stef Caunter didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: The APC interface uses an onClick javascript event to submit changes to control the power outlets - most annoying if you would like to stay in a shell, but there isn't anything to do except ask them to put in a real html form submit button. I am sure many of their (inadvertent) end users are unix admins in ISP colos who find they can't control the unit unless they go to a javascript browser. Completely unnecessary, as the interface is dead simple otherwise; it toggles the device state with option values. Allowing a real form submit would enable scriptable control for admins. In the meantime, one might save the HTML page to disk, edit it so it works properly, then use that local file to control the unit. That's what I did with my router admin page that uses frames. :-) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] HTTP/1.1 Support
At 09:10p +0100 06/20/2005, David Woolley didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Do the Lynx code support for HTTP1.1 protocol ? [...] [...] Lynx uses some HTTP/1.1 featurs, which is allowable, and in practice essential. Yep. Host header is supported, so multiple domains at a single IP address work. This was one of the first things I looked into when I began renting a server last year. :) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] how to associate file types with applications?
At 06:40p -0500 03/12/2005, Thomas Dickey didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: Going back to Unix g, what if there are spaces in the application pathname? Do they get encoded/escaped? If so, what method is used? Lynx attempts to quote tokens when building a shell command. The given example would be a problem since lynx cannot tell if /program files/bin/foo is intended to be two tokens or one. So, um, what is the answer? How to reference an app name containing spaces? ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] how to maximize client area???, etc.
At 03:21a -0500 02/04/2005, Chuck Martin didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: I don't have a problem with options, anyway. I just feel that in this case, that is the wrong way to go about it. I believe a better way to do this would be to implement some sort of style sheets into Lynx, preferably with the ability to assign separate style sheets to individual domains or even specific URLs, so that you could create a style sheet custom tailored for a site after visiting it to determine what format was best for that site, and a default style sheet to be used for all sites that didn't have custom style sheets. Oh that would be wonderful. I've never understood why Lynx doesn't support style sheets. Obviously it can't support all of CSS, but then neither do any GUI browsers -- it's always some subset of features. I could rattle off a list of CSS selectors that Lynx would be able to handle, but of course so could anyone else. First thing it should support is display:none so we don't have to see those stupid Get a browser that supports Web standards messages As I said above, I think this would be better served by the addition of some sort of style sheet capability. Does everyone else who wants to remove those three spaces want exactly what you described above? I doubt it. I want everything flush left, with a blank line after a header. :) -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] how to maximize client area???
At 01:06a -0500 01/30/2005, Chuck Martin didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Since Lynx can't have text in varying sizes and fonts to differentiate these things, I think that the various numbers of spaces used to indent things can be used, and is used, very effectively, to serve that purpose. Well, for pure browsing I don't mind the indentations. However -- they are a nuisance when copying text from Lynx to an email. I have to sit there massaging the text, which is no fun at all. I would love it if there were, say, a plain mode where all the indents are turned off -- headings and paragraphs all flush left... and the title too. Then I could copy and paste to an email without having to massage anything. For me it's a workflow thing. thanks, -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Simple Version Inquiry
At 07:42p + 11/29/2004, David Woolley didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: I am currently developing the libraries to detect as many possibly ** UA's as possible. I am looking for a list of all versions of Lynx ** (if possible) and if you could provide me with that list or point in ** the direction where I could obtain a list it would help me greatly! Such libraries have been abused in the past and continue to be abused, with the result that IE pretends to be Netscape and many Lynx users (and other minority browser users) pretend to be IE. Yep. Although I am of the opinion that UA sniffing is okay if used for the sole purpose of selecting an appropriate style sheet, and not for blocking access from standard browsers. As for a robots.txt file, I can understand banning site-sucker software, but of course Lynx is not designed for such use and should not be blindly banned. Speaking of which, is there a site-sucker UA list out there somewhere? ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Lynx fails on http://politiken.dk
At 04:52p -0400 10/29/2004, David Combs didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 04:21:22PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: = Lynx GET /VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=1 HTTP/1.0 [snip] User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (UNIX; U; OpenBSD; C; compatible) Lynx/2.8.6dev.5-MirOS libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.7d Revision/MirOS:BSD (https://MirBSD.BSDadvocacy.org:8890/) fake (MSIE 5.5) [snip] = (404) = Links+ GET /VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=1 HTTP/1.1 User-Agent: Links (2.1pre15; MirBSD 7 i386; 113x20) [snip] = (works) = Netcat GET /VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=1 HTTP/1.0 [snip] User-Agent: Links (2.1pre15; MirBSD 7 i386; 113x20) [snip] = (works) They are actively blocking anyone with libwww-FM/2.14 in their user agent string (I tested for that). (Actually, libwww is enough.) That's not a bug in lynx, and you can change the user agent in the (O)ptions page. Naive questions: (1) What in the above trace tells us that they are blocking libwww in user-agent strings? I do see accept- this or that, but no reject or the like. Obviously, I'm missing something that's obvious to everyhone else. Just what is i The (404) and (works) lines, which he typed into his email in lieu of the actual HTML pages returned. (Thankfully.) Of course his UA strings differed by more than just the libwww portion, so that may not have been the most scientifically valid test; however, the result would be the same. You could test it more correctly yourself if you like... ;) (2) where did the libwww in his UA-string come *from*? I mean, did he have it there explicitly in his .lynxrc or lynx.cfg, or perhaps typed-in by hand via the option page? Probably, but it doesn't matter. :) -Walter ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] Wow -- page works in Lynx, but not in Safari or Firefox
http://www.chiquita.com/chiquita/discover/ttemail.asp They use CSS to hide (position offscreen) form elements, and JavaScript to show them. Only the JS doesn't work. ;) I think Chiquita's gone bananas. The feedback form appears to work perfectly in Lynx. Woohoo! -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ?
At 11:02p -0700 08/01/2004, Doug Kaufman didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: I use lynx as my preferred browser, and only use a graphical browser when I need pictorial information or when javascript needs to be used. There are a few sites that are very unfriendly to lynx, but the vast majority of sites that I go to work fine with it. Occasionally you need to look at the source to see where links really are. Ditto to what Doug said; exactly the same here. I even set up Lynx as my default browser on Mac OS X, and have used it on several occasions for ecommerce sites (such as Kagi.com for registering software). At 07:12a +0100 08/02/2004, David Woolley didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Can a text-based web browser like Lynx really be used in 2004 with web sites powered by Javascript, XML, ASP and the like ? A local freenet that I never understood powered by; what's wrong with using. ASP is a server side technology and therefore irrelevant to the question. Well except that about 30% of ASP sites fail with some kind of VB datatype error (which is strange since HTTP is sending text...). CFM sites always work though, so clearly Microsoft creates braindead server software. As Internet Explorer doesn't support XML well and certainly doesn't support XHTML (you have to serve it as HTML and rely on its HTML error recovery to tolerate the syntax changes necessary for it to be XML) I would say XML is unlikely to be an issue for several years, and is mainly a look good on CVs issue. :D I use XML server side. (XML database + HTML template) + Perl = HTML page. XML is great as a hierarchical data source; I don't use it for much else. Lynx be updated or something to make it run current websites ? I remember a few years ago some websites had a 'text only' link so you could see their site in a text-only mode. I wish more did this. I would say that the prevalence of text only (or low graphics) links is increasing. Maybe it is just that the number of new company web sites is increasing; it is generally only the long established sites that are aware of their legal obligations, and apart from a few, mainly academics, and long established amateurs, it is legal obligations that result in text only sites. And I've noticed an increase in the number of clueful Web geeks on the newsgroup c.i.w.a.h (I think that's the one); very refreshing and heartening to see. Section 508 is fun to throw at people too, along with the usual references to sight-impaired people and search engine 'bots. Google has a tips page which is also good to reference when trying to show people the error of their ways. Generally what the web authors may claim to be progress is really regression to the state of the world before HTML. I once came up with a good definition of progress on some eBay user forum; something about slower + less compatible + some-third-thing-I-forget. It was funny; if only I'd saved a copy to disk. Well you know what I mean. :-) Oh i think the 3rd thing was something like less intuitive. :-D In my view, support for de facto browser object models would be a major rewrite and one would be better off using Gecko as a starting point. I'm still waiting for Mac browsers to give me a DOM that's accessible via AppleScript without any trace of JavaScript. I may be waiting a long time... -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] can Lynx be used today ?
At 07:21a -0600 08/02/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: In a recent note, Walter Ian Kaye said: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:55:44 -0700 Ditto to what Doug said; exactly the same here. I even set up Lynx as my default browser on Mac OS X, and have used it on several occasions How do you do this? Is there an AppleScript involved? Yep. :) It acts as a kind of proxy/adapter thingie, passing URLs on to Lynx via Terminal.app. I call it ShimLynx. :-) Will you share? I visited your AppleScript page and didn't see a good match: Oops, I never got around to writing a ReadMe for it, so I didn't upload it. ::writing ReadMe now:: Also, it's hardcoded to `cd` to ~/Downloads but that's just on my computer; I need to give some user preferences other than modifying the script itself. I should probably set that up before releasing it... -boo ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] Web Forms
At 04:47p -0400 07/12/2004, Thomas Dickey didst inscribe upon an electronic papyrus: Membership is by invitation only, and consists of a number of representatives from various browser manufacturers. Hehe, so how do we get people invited? :-) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
