Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
On 11/11/2019 22:12, Bela Lubkin wrote: Note that in US law, and I believe EU and probably many other jurisdictions, there are legal requirements for software accessibility. The positions you describe seem very likely to be in violation (but I am not at all a lawyer...) Law is the only way that companies in the normal market will consider accessibility. Even if the OP weren't product, rather than customer, companies would apply an 80/20 rule, if operating in a free market, and ignore the 20% of the market that is most difficult to service. However, even with law, and even on W3C's own accessibility forums, most companies and consultants consider that "works with JAWS" is a sufficient test of accessibility. I found it interesting that someone said that JAWS wasn't much used even on Windows, but it is the standard that businesses use. Programs like elinks don't implement Javascript even close to fully, but these days a standard, full implementation, is considered an acceptable target by content developers, even those interested in accessibility. I think early version of the W3C Web Content Accessibilty Guidelines discouraged scripting, but the current ones consider it acceptable. The only real way of getting a text mode browser to work for everything designed for that environment, and with accessibility in mind, would probably be to start with Firefox, etc., and rewrite its final rendering for character cell displays. Even that might not be enough. It disappoints me, but consultants have to come up with solutions that fit in with their customers' wants, not just consumer needs. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Karen Lewellen wrote: > In October 2018, a senior staff member at google stated that since only > crooks turned off JavaScript, Google was starting to use their own > proprietary edition which among other things is supposed to detect the > presence of adaptive technology for recaptcha, and track specifics > about your account access . i can share the link to that article, or > you can likely find the reference by doing a search for the term > "google will not let you log into your account without JavaScript." Please share the reference. Share everything you've got, with closest-to-source methods (URL to original post, for instance; not copy-paste quotes disassociated from their sources). > Additionally, when I first discovered that some Linux associated > browsers, Links and Elinks, which can be compiled with a form of > JavaScript, but which no longer work to log into gmail, I was told by > Thomas, a member of Google's accessibility team, that these browsers > did not use the "right kind" of JavaScript. Of all of your communications with Google, this seems to be the only thing they said which was true. Jimmying a JavaScript / DOM implementation into a text-mode browser is nearly impossible and it is not at all surprising that the version in [e]links does not meet the requirements. Of course, Google *could* modify their code to succeed in that environment, if they wanted to, but we see where that leads... > Some of the articles I find speak of a more open source form of > JavaScript, which some Linux developers use, but which now Google will > not permit. I haven't seen those articles so I don't have the correct context, but it seems to me this will again be about functional compatibility, not about Google intentionally blocking those things. A bolted-on-the-side JS/DOM implementation inside a text browser is inherently going to be pretty different from a modern graphical browser; it would probably need to be intentionally supported. > Granted, I still have a post from the google accessibility team where a > member claimed that a person should not expect to use the same adaptive > tools they could before. > > Given how often adaptive technology serves as a substitute for a persons > hands, or brain, or eyes, that attitude seems disturbing. Quite. If you're talking about a public post, please share. If it's from a mailing list or private email, consider whether you should publish it anyway. These are disturbing positions for a company like Google to take. I would expect that it's much more a case of an individual Googler talking out his ass, than an official corporate position. Perhaps the person who 'owns' the bug inside Google doesn't feel like expending the effort. Publishing it might light a fire under their ass to fix it (I hear Twitter is a good venue for this sort of thing). Note that in US law, and I believe EU and probably many other jurisdictions, there are legal requirements for software accessibility. The positions you describe seem very likely to be in violation (but I am not at all a lawyer...) >Bela< ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
> In October 2018, a senior staff member at google stated that since > only crooks turned off JavaScript, Google was starting to use their > own proprietary edition which among other things is supposed to > detect the presence of adaptive technology for recaptcha, That "senior staff member" either doesn't understand JavaScript or hopes other people don't. A proprietary version of JavaScript does not make sense unless the producing entity - Google, in this case - controls both ends, here meaning both the webserver side and the browser side. See below. > Additionally, when I first discovered that some Linux associated > browsers, Links and Elinks, which can be compiled with a form of > JavaScript, but which no longer work to log into gmail, I was told by > Thomas, a member of Google's accessibility team, that these browsers > did not use the "right kind" of JavaScript. Again, Thomas either does not understand JavaScript or hopes you don't. There is, in principle, no way for Google to tell whether the browser is, say, Firefox, or something else pretending to be Firefox, not as long as they're conforming to the JavaScript spec enough to interoperate with implementations other than their own. > Some of the articles I find speak of a more open source form of > JavaScript, which some Linux developers use, but which now Google > will not permit. Google is not in a position to do that, unless they are going to deny access to all Web browsers not built by Google - or at least not running Google implementations of their language (which then isn't really JavaScript any longer). What Google is counting on here is that non-"approved" JavaScript implementations are not actively trying to defeat whtaever fingerprinting Google is doing. It leads directly to an arms race between Google trying to fingerprint implementations and implementations trying to pretend. The endgame would be something like a browser running a Firefox instance in a sandbox and never displaying the results directly, only presenting what it wants to to the user. Lynx, even, could do that, if anyone wanted to bother putting in the (significant) effort to make it do so. > in short Google is defining JavaScript in such a way so as to allow > only their tracking features to function so to speak. Google is not in a position to redefine JavaScript - unless, as I said above, they always control both ends, in which case they have no need to use JavaScript at all and can just use something completely unrelated and better tuned to their purposes. This is because the essence of JavaScript is that it's all about the webserver providing code for the browser to run; JavaScript is a language for such code to be written in. For it to work at all, both ends have to agree on the language, so one end unilaterally redefining it can't work. As for accessibility in general, well, Google has only minor reason to care about accessibility. As a gmail user, you are not a Google customer; you are part of Google's product (the customers are the advertisers), and if the cost of supporting your continuing to be part of Google's product exceeds the benefit - to Google, not to you - then they have not only an incentive but a duty (to their shareholders) to drop that support. Unless you're actually paying Google for your mailbox and access, in which case it depends on how much you're paying them and what the terms of the contract are. Based on just what I've read, though, I'd guess that even in that case your having managed to get through to a real person makes you a net money loser to them. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
You would be incorrect, at least based on both what google staff have told me personally, and the public. In October 2018, a senior staff member at google stated that since only crooks turned off JavaScript, Google was starting to use their own proprietary edition which among other things is supposed to detect the presence of adaptive technology for recaptcha, and track specifics about your account access . i can share the link to that article, or you can likely find the reference by doing a search for the term "google will not let you log into your account without JavaScript." Additionally, when I first discovered that some Linux associated browsers, Links and Elinks, which can be compiled with a form of JavaScript, but which no longer work to log into gmail, I was told by Thomas, a member of Google's accessibility team, that these browsers did not use the "right kind" of JavaScript. In short, the development Google is now using to track users more directly. Some of the articles I find speak of a more open source form of JavaScript, which some Linux developers use, but which now Google will not permit. in short Google is defining JavaScript in such a way so as to allow only their tracking features to function so to speak. I am going to likely use the wrong term for this design concept, but Google's new idea of JavaScript also goes against the concept of progressive development, where a site builds upon HTML, so that more tools can reach and utilize site services. Granted, I still have a post from the google accessibility team where a member claimed that a person should not expect to use the same adaptive tools they could before. Given how often adaptive technology serves as a substitute for a persons hands, or brain, or eyes, that attitude seems disturbing. Still Google is choosing to define things different from industry standard. Otherwise a greater degree of progressive development would be in place now. Oh, and if a current discussion on the Google accessibility list is correct, come January, even Jaws will no longer be supported, with Google requiring you to use their voice box software. So much for Google mirroring the industry standard. Just my thoughts, Karen On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, David Woolley wrote: On 09/11/2019 04:00, Karen Lewellen wrote: The thing is that roads seem to lead to the service log in page which rejects that which does not match?? google's concept of JavaScript. Although Javascript is loose terminology, which only really applies to the early Netscape implementation, I doubt that Google's concept of Javascript differs from the current industry understanding of it. Javascript is a combination of a programming language and object models for both the browser and the document. Lynx definitely could not fully implement the last of these, as it's internal model of the document is fundamentally different from the model that the current HTML standards imply. However, I imagine your problem is more with the browser model. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Good, I'm glad something works. On Mon, 11 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:57:31 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: Travis Siegel , Bela Lubkin , > lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > Hi there, > While I did not personally try this, I located someone who uses edbrowse > daily. They performed the test and indicated that indeed the link works. so > does visiting say mail.google.com/mail and logging into ones account, > choosing basic html that way. The link does save a step I am told. > > kare > > > > On Sat, 9 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > has anyone tried running edbrowse followed by a space and followed by that > > url yet? I didn't do that yet but edbrowse will open urls directly that > > way. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > > Lynx-dev mailing list > > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > > > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
On 09/11/2019 04:00, Karen Lewellen wrote: The thing is that roads seem to lead to the service log in page which rejects that which does not match google's concept of JavaScript. Although Javascript is loose terminology, which only really applies to the early Netscape implementation, I doubt that Google's concept of Javascript differs from the current industry understanding of it. Javascript is a combination of a programming language and object models for both the browser and the document. Lynx definitely could not fully implement the last of these, as it's internal model of the document is fundamentally different from the model that the current HTML standards imply. However, I imagine your problem is more with the browser model. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Hi there, While I did not personally try this, I located someone who uses edbrowse daily. They performed the test and indicated that indeed the link works. so does visiting say mail.google.com/mail and logging into ones account, choosing basic html that way. The link does save a step I am told. kare On Sat, 9 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: has anyone tried running edbrowse followed by a space and followed by that url yet? I didn't do that yet but edbrowse will open urls directly that way. -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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has anyone tried running edbrowse followed by a space and followed by that url yet? I didn't do that yet but edbrowse will open urls directly that way. -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Heh, thought it was worth a shot, but it didn't work for me on my server, (haven't tried the windows version of lynx yet). I get the same javascript error message as before *grumble* This makes me want to install squirrelmail on my own server, so I can access my email via the web (not that I'd bother very often, but to have the capability) On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Bela Lubkin wrote: Tim Chase wrote: At least according to Google's support page https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049?hl=en you should be able to go to this link https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui to force the HTML/low-bandwidth mode (hopefully a little easier than trying to intercept the refresh). The *other* link in that post has '?nocheckbrowser' at the end; I wonder if that would help get past the insistence on JS with the low-bandwidth link: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/?v=lui ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
That new link was an interesting test. The thing is that roads seem to lead to the service log in page which rejects that which does not match google's concept of JavaScript. Part of why I desire Aljander's exact recent steps. Kare On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Bela Lubkin wrote: Tim Chase wrote: At least according to Google's support page https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049?hl=en you should be able to go to this link https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui to force the HTML/low-bandwidth mode (hopefully a little easier than trying to intercept the refresh). The *other* link in that post has '?nocheckbrowser' at the end; I wonder if that would help get past the insistence on JS with the low-bandwidth link: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/?v=lui ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Actually, links and elinks are showing up in Arabic as well. makes me wonder if it is an ip address target of some kind. On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: Since it happened to two of you, you share the equivalent of /etc/lynx.cfg and that configuration file got modified probably without the knowledge or consent of Ken Scott. On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 18:11:47 From: Karen Lewellen To: Chime Hart Cc: Tim Chase , Steffen Nurpmeso , Alejandro Lieber , lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? Chime, If you tried that link today, you are getting all that stuff because for some reason google here at shellworld has been presented in a language other than English..at least for the past 24 hours. Perhaps share that with Ken Scott? As for Google's failing to make improvements, that is something you should personally and loudly raise in their accessibility list discussions if you are a member. Karen On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Chime Hart wrote: Well Tim, also here on Shellworld, when I look at that google page you listed, I hear 12 links with no labels, but also `lots of "question marks" Sure hitting an l for a lynx list or hitting tab for the next field can be helpful. Not to get too far off-topic, but times when I referred an issue to Google, such as lack of speech in Youtube on a ROKU. They varified my concern, but in many months have made no improvements. Chime ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Tim Chase wrote: > At least according to Google's support page > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049?hl=en > > you should be able to go to this link > > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui > > to force the HTML/low-bandwidth mode (hopefully a little easier than > trying to intercept the refresh). The *other* link in that post has '?nocheckbrowser' at the end; I wonder if that would help get past the insistence on JS with the low-bandwidth link: https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/?v=lui ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Since it happened to two of you, you share the equivalent of /etc/lynx.cfg and that configuration file got modified probably without the knowledge or consent of Ken Scott. On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 18:11:47 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Chime Hart > Cc: Tim Chase , > Steffen Nurpmeso , > Alejandro Lieber , lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > Chime, > If you tried that link today, you are getting all that stuff because for > some reason google here at shellworld has been presented in a language other > than English..at least for the past 24 hours. > Perhaps share that with Ken Scott? > As for Google's failing to make improvements, that is something you should > personally and loudly raise in their accessibility list discussions if you > are a member. > Karen > > > > On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Chime Hart wrote: > > > Well Tim, also here on Shellworld, when I look at that google page you > > listed, I hear 12 links with no labels, but also `lots of "question marks" > > Sure hitting an l for a lynx list or hitting tab for the next field can be > > helpful. Not to get too far off-topic, but times when I referred an issue to > > Google, such as lack of speech in Youtube on a ROKU. They varified my > > concern, but in many months have made no improvements. > > Chime > > > > > > > > ___ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Chime, If you tried that link today, you are getting all that stuff because for some reason google here at shellworld has been presented in a language other than English..at least for the past 24 hours. Perhaps share that with Ken Scott? As for Google's failing to make improvements, that is something you should personally and loudly raise in their accessibility list discussions if you are a member. Karen On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Chime Hart wrote: Well Tim, also here on Shellworld, when I look at that google page you listed, I hear 12 links with no labels, but also `lots of "question marks" Sure hitting an l for a lynx list or hitting tab for the next field can be helpful. Not to get too far off-topic, but times when I referred an issue to Google, such as lack of speech in Youtube on a ROKU. They varified my concern, but in many months have made no improvements. Chime ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Well Tim, also here on Shellworld, when I look at that google page you listed, I hear 12 links with no labels, but also `lots of "question marks" Sure hitting an l for a lynx list or hitting tab for the next field can be helpful. Not to get too far off-topic, but times when I referred an issue to Google, such as lack of speech in Youtube on a ROKU. They varified my concern, but in many months have made no improvements. Chime ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Karen Lewellen wrote in : |steffen, |That page would perhaps appear differently for you, simply because you are |in the eu. |Presently at shellworld, some of the browsers show a hacked looking |edition of Google's homepages as well. That could very well be the case. Ciao, Karen. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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steffen, That page would perhaps appear differently for you, simply because you are in the eu. Presently at shellworld, some of the browsers show a hacked looking edition of Google's homepages as well. On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: Tim Chase wrote in <20191108124718.1db7a...@bigbox.attlocal.net>: |On 2019-11-08 19:08, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> Karen Lewellen wrote in |> : |>|Alejandro, |>|I would appreciate a step by step, including where on the page |> the option |for first choosing then saving basic html as an |> option is located. |My test drive did not work last night, but I ... |> As far as i see the option is gone. |> The only chance you have is to be very quick at the login screen, |> right after you have entered the password, while it loads, there |> is the necessary link at the bottom of the page. (I.e., first |> screen to enter the name, second screen to enter the password, |> then the third can shortly be seen -- maybe tell your helper to |> very quickly hit the stop-load button, and i hope your browser |> does that, then, instead of continuing the asynchronous load.) |> |> Funnily the basic HTML always offers the possibility to switch to |> the other one. Also funnily, only the rich version allows marking |> all messages on the screen, so as to move them to trash. (I just |> cleared my GMail history.) ... |At least according to Google's support page | |https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049?hl=en | |you should be able to go to this link | |https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui | |to force the HTML/low-bandwidth mode (hopefully a little easier than |trying to intercept the refresh). I'm not sure if you have to use |the JS-only login path or if there's a non-JavaScript HTML-only login |option though. If i follow that link in logged-out state i come to a wonderful page that looks as if Apple had designed it. (Note i use two different accounts for web browsing, one throw-away thing with a user who has no rights at all, unfortunately i still not made it to put this account into a lxc container, or even a VM, even though accelerated graphics now work even inside those it seems! And another one which knows user credentials, for example for the GMail account(s). Since i log into the latter via ssh, and have to unlock an encrypted volume in order to get firefox -- unfortunately i do need Javascript for these, ISP, VM hoster, GMail, whatever, sigh -- up with access to its data, i have to cross some hurdles of pain. I tried the link with the unpriviledged user.) --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Tim Chase wrote in <20191108124718.1db7a...@bigbox.attlocal.net>: |On 2019-11-08 19:08, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> Karen Lewellen wrote in |> : |>|Alejandro, |>|I would appreciate a step by step, including where on the page |> the option |for first choosing then saving basic html as an |> option is located. |My test drive did not work last night, but I ... |> As far as i see the option is gone. |> The only chance you have is to be very quick at the login screen, |> right after you have entered the password, while it loads, there |> is the necessary link at the bottom of the page. (I.e., first |> screen to enter the name, second screen to enter the password, |> then the third can shortly be seen -- maybe tell your helper to |> very quickly hit the stop-load button, and i hope your browser |> does that, then, instead of continuing the asynchronous load.) |> |> Funnily the basic HTML always offers the possibility to switch to |> the other one. Also funnily, only the rich version allows marking |> all messages on the screen, so as to move them to trash. (I just |> cleared my GMail history.) ... |At least according to Google's support page | |https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049?hl=en | |you should be able to go to this link | |https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui | |to force the HTML/low-bandwidth mode (hopefully a little easier than |trying to intercept the refresh). I'm not sure if you have to use |the JS-only login path or if there's a non-JavaScript HTML-only login |option though. If i follow that link in logged-out state i come to a wonderful page that looks as if Apple had designed it. (Note i use two different accounts for web browsing, one throw-away thing with a user who has no rights at all, unfortunately i still not made it to put this account into a lxc container, or even a VM, even though accelerated graphics now work even inside those it seems! And another one which knows user credentials, for example for the GMail account(s). Since i log into the latter via ssh, and have to unlock an encrypted volume in order to get firefox -- unfortunately i do need Javascript for these, ISP, VM hoster, GMail, whatever, sigh -- up with access to its data, i have to cross some hurdles of pain. I tried the link with the unpriviledged user.) --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Reading of that help page indicates you must be in an accepted browser, or in standard mail first which will be fine as I can share that link directly with the production staff working with me. It does not work for me otherwise, still produces the rejected error due to the lack of JavaScript. Thanks though, its another door! Kare On Fri, 8 Nov 2019, Tim Chase wrote: At least according to Google's support page https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15049?hl=en you should be able to go to this link https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui to force the HTML/low-bandwidth mode (hopefully a little easier than trying to intercept the refresh). I'm not sure if you have to use the JS-only login path or if there's a non-JavaScript HTML-only login option though. -tim On 2019-11-08 19:08, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: Karen Lewellen wrote in : |Alejandro, |I would appreciate a step by step, including where on the page the option |for first choosing then saving basic html as an option is located. |My test drive did not work last night, but I suspect the problem may be |tied to the person helping me already having a gmail account that there |system remembered. |They, using chrome, managed to log in as me, with my guiding them to a |basic html display of my inbox. I am unsure exactly how they managed it, |logging out, assuming they did so from the correct place, has made no |difference to my reaching my own account at all, let alone in Lynx. |can you provide a fine tuned set of instructions? |I am going to try again, from a library here in Canada, instead of getting |help from an associate stateside. |Still, as I have no idea what they are seeing, the more precise the |directions, the more likely we will be successful. As far as i see the option is gone. The only chance you have is to be very quick at the login screen, right after you have entered the password, while it loads, there is the necessary link at the bottom of the page. (I.e., first screen to enter the name, second screen to enter the password, then the third can shortly be seen -- maybe tell your helper to very quickly hit the stop-load button, and i hope your browser does that, then, instead of continuing the asynchronous load.) Funnily the basic HTML always offers the possibility to switch to the other one. Also funnily, only the rich version allows marking all messages on the screen, so as to move them to trash. (I just cleared my GMail history.) Hope this helps. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Karen Lewellen wrote in : |Alejandro, |I would appreciate a step by step, including where on the page the option |for first choosing then saving basic html as an option is located. |My test drive did not work last night, but I suspect the problem may be |tied to the person helping me already having a gmail account that there |system remembered. |They, using chrome, managed to log in as me, with my guiding them to a |basic html display of my inbox. I am unsure exactly how they managed it, |logging out, assuming they did so from the correct place, has made no |difference to my reaching my own account at all, let alone in Lynx. |can you provide a fine tuned set of instructions? |I am going to try again, from a library here in Canada, instead of getting |help from an associate stateside. |Still, as I have no idea what they are seeing, the more precise the |directions, the more likely we will be successful. As far as i see the option is gone. The only chance you have is to be very quick at the login screen, right after you have entered the password, while it loads, there is the necessary link at the bottom of the page. (I.e., first screen to enter the name, second screen to enter the password, then the third can shortly be seen -- maybe tell your helper to very quickly hit the stop-load button, and i hope your browser does that, then, instead of continuing the asynchronous load.) Funnily the basic HTML always offers the possibility to switch to the other one. Also funnily, only the rich version allows marking all messages on the screen, so as to move them to trash. (I just cleared my GMail history.) Hope this helps. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Alejandro, I would appreciate a step by step, including where on the page the option for first choosing then saving basic html as an option is located. My test drive did not work last night, but I suspect the problem may be tied to the person helping me already having a gmail account that there system remembered. They, using chrome, managed to log in as me, with my guiding them to a basic html display of my inbox. I am unsure exactly how they managed it, logging out, assuming they did so from the correct place, has made no difference to my reaching my own account at all, let alone in Lynx. can you provide a fine tuned set of instructions? I am going to try again, from a library here in Canada, instead of getting help from an associate stateside. Still, as I have no idea what they are seeing, the more precise the directions, the more likely we will be successful. Thanks, Karen On Thu, 7 Nov 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: Karen: My experience is that: 1)- If you log out of a session of gmail using the GMAIL STANDARD net view version using Firefox or Chrome, you will NOT BE able to open it again with a text browser without Java-scripts. 2)- if you log out a session of gmail using the "GMAIL HTML FOR SLOW CONNECTIONS" version option at the botton of the page, using Firefox or Chrome, you will BE able to open it again ad infinitum with a text browser WITHOUT Java-scripts. You will be asked TWICE for the password. 3)- If you don't have a graphic browser, you'll have to give your email password to someone you trust to configure GMAIL in graphic mode, the only way it can be done. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 6/11/19 22:11, Karen Lewellen wrote: as expressed more than once, I can still reach my first and older gmail account with lynx in basic html, do this several times a day. To be sure, perhaps only newer accounts are generating the problem. Fully realizing that alpine quality strongly flows from talent, we have it via dreamhost for my office e-mail. It times out while reading items several times a day and crashes regularly...likely tied to the dreamhost shell configuration more than anything else. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: > > Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail > with an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup > section. > > I'm reading this message via that approach. > > I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx > access. I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were > grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > shellworld? > > I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. > > How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links > > for > > example? > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > > Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt > > > can be > > > used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's > > > lots > > > of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 > > > > From: Karen Lewellen > > > > To: Mouse > > > > Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > > > > > > > The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I > > > > could use elinks > > > > and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my > > > > research gmail > > > > account. > > > > They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the > > > > right kind > > > > of JavaScript. > > > > Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. > > > > Presently > > > > although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from > > > > using a dos > > > > ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. > > > > so please share more details all the way around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > > gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, > > > > > > > > > > My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you > > > > > are using > > > > > one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI > > > > > horrors.
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
To be sure, that would explain how the problem happened in the first place. because this is a research account, I have it opened at libraries by people assisting in that research all the time. However, they would simply log out of their standard gmail sessions. Google started thinking those devices were mine, in fact I stopped getting security warnings the last couple of times. so, once this issue is fixed I will have to develop a different plan for managing research, but one fire dance at a time. there are no words for how appreciative I am for a possible solution! Kare On Thu, 7 Nov 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: That's correct. I think it's not important if the account is new or old. It depends how you logged out the last time with a graphical browser. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 7/11/19 14:10, Karen Lewellen wrote: Okay, this I can test. One question to be absolutely sure. The person doing this for me must first log into my gmail account in a graphical browser. Then, they must choose to read in basic html and log out in the basic html session. yes the password is requested twice, I go through that doing so in elinks and links. Once they log out perhaps even saving basic html as my preference?, I should get back in again. will try this evening posting my results. In fact, this explains how the problem likely started in the first place. thanks! On Thu, 7 Nov 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: > Karen: > My experience is that: > > 1)- If you log out of a session of gmail using the GMAIL STANDARD net > view version using Firefox or Chrome, you will NOT BE able to open it > again with a text browser without Java-scripts. > > 2)- if you log out a session of gmail using the "GMAIL HTML FOR SLOW > CONNECTIONS" version option at the botton of the page, using Firefox or > Chrome, you will BE able to open it again ad infinitum with a text > browser WITHOUT Java-scripts. You will be asked TWICE for the password. > > 3)- If you don't have a graphic browser, you'll have to give your email > password to > someone you trust to configure GMAIL in graphic mode, the only way it > can be done. > > Alejandro Lieber > Rosario Argentina > > On 6/11/19 22:11, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > as expressed more than once, I can still reach my first and older > > gmail account with lynx in basic html, do this several times a day. > > To be sure, perhaps only newer accounts are generating the > > problem. > > Fully realizing that alpine quality strongly flows from talent, we > > have > > it via dreamhost for my office e-mail. It times out while > > reading > > items several times a day and crashes regularly...likely tied to the > > dreamhost shell configuration more than anything else. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: > > > > > > Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down > > gmail > with an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the > > alpine setup > section. > > > > I'm reading this message via that approach. > > > > I have had an email account for some years and it still allows > > lynx > access. I think at some fairly recent point existing > > accounts were > > > grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > shellworld? > > > > I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. > > > > How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail > > links > > for > > > > example? > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > > > > Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask > > is mutt > > > can be > > > > > used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and > > there's > > > lots > > > > > of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 > > > > > > From: Karen Lewellen > > > > > > To: Mouse > > > > > > Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > > > > > > > > > The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior > > to now I > > > > could use elinks > > > > > > and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach >
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
That's correct. I think it's not important if the account is new or old. It depends how you logged out the last time with a graphical browser. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 7/11/19 14:10, Karen Lewellen wrote: Okay, this I can test. One question to be absolutely sure. The person doing this for me must first log into my gmail account in a graphical browser. Then, they must choose to read in basic html and log out in the basic html session. yes the password is requested twice, I go through that doing so in elinks and links. Once they log out perhaps even saving basic html as my preference?, I should get back in again. will try this evening posting my results. In fact, this explains how the problem likely started in the first place. thanks! On Thu, 7 Nov 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: Karen: My experience is that: 1)- If you log out of a session of gmail using the GMAIL STANDARD net view version using Firefox or Chrome, you will NOT BE able to open it again with a text browser without Java-scripts. 2)- if you log out a session of gmail using the "GMAIL HTML FOR SLOW CONNECTIONS" version option at the botton of the page, using Firefox or Chrome, you will BE able to open it again ad infinitum with a text browser WITHOUT Java-scripts. You will be asked TWICE for the password. 3)- If you don't have a graphic browser, you'll have to give your email password to someone you trust to configure GMAIL in graphic mode, the only way it can be done. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 6/11/19 22:11, Karen Lewellen wrote: as expressed more than once, I can still reach my first and older gmail account with lynx in basic html, do this several times a day. To be sure, perhaps only newer accounts are generating the problem. Fully realizing that alpine quality strongly flows from talent, we have it via dreamhost for my office e-mail. It times out while reading items several times a day and crashes regularly...likely tied to the dreamhost shell configuration more than anything else. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: > > Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail > with an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup > section. > > I'm reading this message via that approach. > > I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx > access. I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were > grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > shellworld? > > I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. > > How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links > > for > > example? > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > > Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt > > > can be > > > used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's > > > lots > > > of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 > > > > From: Karen Lewellen > > > > To: Mouse > > > > Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > > > > > > > The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I > > > > could use elinks > > > > and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my > > > > research gmail > > > > account. > > > > They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the > > > > right kind > > > > of JavaScript. > > > > Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. > > > > Presently > > > > although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from > > > > using a dos > > > > ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. > > > > so please share more details all the way around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > > gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, > > > > > > > > > > My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you > > > > > are using > > > > > one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI > > > > > horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was > > > > > fussing > > > > > with mail for work, gma
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Okay, this I can test. One question to be absolutely sure. The person doing this for me must first log into my gmail account in a graphical browser. Then, they must choose to read in basic html and log out in the basic html session. yes the password is requested twice, I go through that doing so in elinks and links. Once they log out perhaps even saving basic html as my preference?, I should get back in again. will try this evening posting my results. In fact, this explains how the problem likely started in the first place. thanks! On Thu, 7 Nov 2019, Alejandro Lieber wrote: Karen: My experience is that: 1)- If you log out of a session of gmail using the GMAIL STANDARD net view version using Firefox or Chrome, you will NOT BE able to open it again with a text browser without Java-scripts. 2)- if you log out a session of gmail using the "GMAIL HTML FOR SLOW CONNECTIONS" version option at the botton of the page, using Firefox or Chrome, you will BE able to open it again ad infinitum with a text browser WITHOUT Java-scripts. You will be asked TWICE for the password. 3)- If you don't have a graphic browser, you'll have to give your email password to someone you trust to configure GMAIL in graphic mode, the only way it can be done. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 6/11/19 22:11, Karen Lewellen wrote: as expressed more than once, I can still reach my first and older gmail account with lynx in basic html, do this several times a day. To be sure, perhaps only newer accounts are generating the problem. Fully realizing that alpine quality strongly flows from talent, we have it via dreamhost for my office e-mail. It times out while reading items several times a day and crashes regularly...likely tied to the dreamhost shell configuration more than anything else. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: > > Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail > with an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup > section. > > I'm reading this message via that approach. > > I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx > access. I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were > grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > shellworld? > > I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. > > How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links > > for > > example? > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > > Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt > > > can be > > > used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's > > > lots > > > of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 > > > > From: Karen Lewellen > > > > To: Mouse > > > > Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > > > > > > > The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I > > > > could use elinks > > > > and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my > > > > research gmail > > > > account. > > > > They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the > > > > right kind > > > > of JavaScript. > > > > Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. > > > > Presently > > > > although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from > > > > using a dos > > > > ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. > > > > so please share more details all the way around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: > > > > > > > > > > gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, > > > > > > > > > > My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you > > > > > are using > > > > > one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI > > > > > horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was > > > > > fussing > > > > > with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird > > > > > that was > > > > > installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was > > > > > insufficient > >
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Karen: My experience is that: 1)- If you log out of a session of gmail using the GMAIL STANDARD net view version using Firefox or Chrome, you will NOT BE able to open it again with a text browser without Java-scripts. 2)- if you log out a session of gmail using the "GMAIL HTML FOR SLOW CONNECTIONS" version option at the botton of the page, using Firefox or Chrome, you will BE able to open it again ad infinitum with a text browser WITHOUT Java-scripts. You will be asked TWICE for the password. 3)- If you don't have a graphic browser, you'll have to give your email password to someone you trust to configure GMAIL in graphic mode, the only way it can be done. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 6/11/19 22:11, Karen Lewellen wrote: as expressed more than once, I can still reach my first and older gmail account with lynx in basic html, do this several times a day. To be sure, perhaps only newer accounts are generating the problem. Fully realizing that alpine quality strongly flows from talent, we have it via dreamhost for my office e-mail. It times out while reading items several times a day and crashes regularly...likely tied to the dreamhost shell configuration more than anything else. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail with an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup section. I'm reading this message via that approach. I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx access. I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: shellworld? I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for example? On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 From: Karen Lewellen To: Mouse Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail account. They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. so please share more details all the way around. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed the stringency of their stance.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- XB ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Karen Lewellen wrote in : |On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: |> David Woolley wrote in ey.me.uk>: |>|On 05/11/2019 22:14, Karen Lewellen wrote: |>|> 1. I do not, cannot physically use the windows operating system. |>| |>|Even if you are blind, the in industry expectation is that you use a |>|program called JAWS, under Windows. In fact, many companies seem to |>|think that all that is necessary for their web site to be accessible is |>|that it can be used under JAWS. |>| |>|If you still want a non-graphical environment, Linux would be the |>|operating system of choice. |>| |>|Whilst there are standards for remoting accessing mail, there are no |>|effective ones for remotely accessing address books, etc., so if you use |>|a network based service for this you have to accept that they will be |>|targeting Windows users only, and any accessibility considerations will |>|assume the use of JAWS + Windows. |> |> They plan to overcome that with the JMAP protocol, the mail part |> of which became RFC 8621. |> |>|By insisting on MS-DOS, you are putting yourself in a position where it |>|is becoming increasingly difficult to support your usage. |May I ask on what you base my *insistence* on ms dos? I did not say anything over DOS. Personally i was using 4DOS for some years, until about ~20 years ago. For years, at least five or six, i always want to install and try out FreeDOS, but did not make it even when they had their jubilee. Maybe someday i make it. |Unfortunately, due to an auditory processing disorder tied to a surgical |vascular accident, some frequencies, most software generated voices |stimulate the dizzy centres of my brain. |That means for me the safe ranges come from hardware sources, dectalk |specifically. |Given the quality of that speech, one would think those creating windows |based programs would have kept the patents and code for those voices. |Instead, one company bought another wasted resources and created |disturbingly poor quality speech instead. You could see me standing lost. |To be sure I prefer a low graphics environment. |Still as the saying goes DOS ain't dead, check out the djdpp project, or |even freedos. Yes, FreeDOS i would have interest in. And Haiku, too. |What is largely dead? the assumption that humans even if they share a |label , are still individuals, with unique bodies circumstances and |preferences. Yes, the individuals. But be aware of the masses. |The assumption, often perpetuated by consumer groups and software makers |is that all people sharing a label are Interchangeable. |Did Linux write drivers t incorporate dectalk in products like the reading |edge? no. |Can dos be a graphical platform, certainly. |Was access to basic html in gmail important to many, not even tied to |accessibility? |Absolutely, do a search for the phrase how do I access gmail in basic |html? and you will find lots and lots of lists where people discuss the |benefits for various reasons. |before you decide I am insisting on anything perhaps ask why the platform |is needful. Perhaps if more developers did not take a one user fits all |approach, I would have safer voices to use. Hm, hm. Well, well. I prefer the basic HTML too, on the other hand i am lucky not to have a need to go to the web interface, practically ever. Sometimes they force a login, sometimes mails are too large to become forwarded to the address stuff gets redirected to. (I do not really regulary use GMail as such no more, via POP3 / IMAP / SMTP that is, only for testing, for which i am thankful, i do have some GMail-only accounts, but these have practically no traffic, and they are also forwarded, only SMTPS it is for them, in practice.) I never used anything beyond plain email at GMail, not a crime, but a rhyme. He. Sorry. --End of --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Oh I am not surprised at all. On Thu, 7 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: It sure did, and that seriously surprised me too. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:42:54 From: Karen Lewellen To: Jude DaShiell Cc: dan d. , Mouse , lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? Wait, your account got hacked after using Google's more secure authentication process? On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: I had to create a new account on google since my original account got taken over after I enabled two-factor authentication. I can access my account using mutt and it turns out edbrowse will also work. The edbrowse app requires a directory structure be created described in the .ebrc file dropped into a user directory the first time edbrowse is run. The .ebrc file has to have things changed in it for user's real gmail accounts too. So anyone uncomfortable doing these tasks had best not run edbrowse. Anyone wishing to use edbrowse will have to locate the user manual for it where they use it and will need to read and do the learning curve. This is a powerful and unique tool, so use accordingly or handle the consequences. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:26:05 From: dan d. To: Karen Lewellen Cc: Jude DaShiell , Mouse , lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail with an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup section. I'm reading this message via that approach. I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx access. I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: shellworld? I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for example? On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 From: Karen Lewellen To: Mouse Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail account. They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. so please share more details all the way around. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed the stringency of their stance.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
It sure did, and that seriously surprised me too. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:42:54 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: dan d. , Mouse , > lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > Wait, your account got hacked after using Google's more secure authentication > process? > > > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > I had to create a new account on google since my original account got > > taken over after I enabled two-factor authentication. I can access my > > account using mutt and it turns out edbrowse will also work. > > The edbrowse app requires a directory structure be created described in > > the .ebrc file dropped into a user directory the first time edbrowse is > > run. The .ebrc file has to have things changed in it for user's real > > gmail accounts too. So anyone uncomfortable doing these tasks had best > > not run edbrowse. Anyone wishing to use edbrowse will have to locate > > the user manual for it where they use it and will need to read and do > > the learning curve. This is a powerful and unique tool, so use > > accordingly or handle the consequences. > > > > On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: > > > >> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:26:05 > >> From: dan d. > >> To: Karen Lewellen > >> Cc: Jude DaShiell , Mouse , > >> lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > >> > >> > >> Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail with > >> an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup section. > >> > >> I'm reading this message via that approach. > >> > >> I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx access. > >> I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were > >> grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. > >> > >> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> > >>> shellworld? > >>> I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. > >>> How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for > >>> example? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >>> > >>>> Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be > >>>> used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots > >>>> of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 > >>>>> From: Karen Lewellen > >>>>> To: Mouse > >>>>> Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > >>>>> > >>>>> The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use > >>>>> elinks > >>>>> and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research > >>>>> gmail > >>>>> account. > >>>>> They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right > >>>>> kind > >>>>> of JavaScript. > >>>>> Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. > >>>>> Presently > >>>>> although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a > >>>>> dos > >>>>> ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. > >>>>> so please share more details all the way around. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>> gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using > >>>>>> one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI > >>>>>> horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing > >>>>>> with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was > >>>>>> installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient > >>>>>> in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced >
Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Wait, your account got hacked after using Google's more secure authentication process? On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: I had to create a new account on google since my original account got taken over after I enabled two-factor authentication. I can access my account using mutt and it turns out edbrowse will also work. The edbrowse app requires a directory structure be created described in the .ebrc file dropped into a user directory the first time edbrowse is run. The .ebrc file has to have things changed in it for user's real gmail accounts too. So anyone uncomfortable doing these tasks had best not run edbrowse. Anyone wishing to use edbrowse will have to locate the user manual for it where they use it and will need to read and do the learning curve. This is a powerful and unique tool, so use accordingly or handle the consequences. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:26:05 From: dan d. To: Karen Lewellen Cc: Jude DaShiell , Mouse , lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail with an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup section. I'm reading this message via that approach. I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx access. I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: shellworld? I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for example? On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 From: Karen Lewellen To: Mouse Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail account. They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. so please share more details all the way around. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed the stringency of their stance.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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I am using wifi in ms dos 7.1 right now. The package I use sshdos, allows me to reach shellworld and other shell services without issue. Granted I have done the research, but even freedos has native support for wifi, so I am unsure why you feel this cannot be done. The DOS djpgg system is even more detailed. Technically I can reach the internet without first accessing shell services, but lack a solid edition of lynx for dos incorporating latest configurations to use. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: msdos and drdos and freedos remain viable with packages like commo as terminals to log into remote resources and run linux/unix commands on those remote systems. I know people who forgot how to configure ethernet cards in msdos, but maybe using a terminal program like kermit would access those ethernet cards. I doubt dos has necessary support to get wi-fi connections running. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:51:55 From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: David Woolley Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? David Woolley wrote in : |On 05/11/2019 22:14, Karen Lewellen wrote: |> 1. I do not, cannot physically use the windows operating system. | |Even if you are blind, the in industry expectation is that you use a |program called JAWS, under Windows. In fact, many companies seem to |think that all that is necessary for their web site to be accessible is |that it can be used under JAWS. | |If you still want a non-graphical environment, Linux would be the |operating system of choice. | |Whilst there are standards for remoting accessing mail, there are no |effective ones for remotely accessing address books, etc., so if you use |a network based service for this you have to accept that they will be |targeting Windows users only, and any accessibility considerations will |assume the use of JAWS + Windows. They plan to overcome that with the JMAP protocol, the mail part of which became RFC 8621. |By insisting on MS-DOS, you are putting yourself in a position where it |is becoming increasingly difficult to support your usage. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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as expressed more than once, I can still reach my first and older gmail account with lynx in basic html, do this several times a day. To be sure, perhaps only newer accounts are generating the problem. Fully realizing that alpine quality strongly flows from talent, we have it via dreamhost for my office e-mail. It times out while reading items several times a day and crashes regularly...likely tied to the dreamhost shell configuration more than anything else. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail with an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup section. I'm reading this message via that approach. I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx access. I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: shellworld? I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for example? On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 From: Karen Lewellen To: Mouse Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail account. They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. so please share more details all the way around. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed the stringency of their stance.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- XB ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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where is somewhere? I may need to post the article here for folks to understand. Google has started using a proprietary edition of JavaScript for tracking purposes that they are branding as security. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: I read somewher elinks and the like use a subset of java only with inherent limited java functionality. That is likely what google is seeing when querying a client request. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Actually, this is not correct. I have gotten this duplicated by google accessibility staff. In fact Google stated in an article recently that since only crooks turn off JavaScript, they will not allow anyone to sign into their gmail account without JavaScript. When I requested answers for accessibility reasons, one staff member duplicated the issue using elinks, and told me that it was because Google did not consider elinks to use the "right" kind of JavaScript. Later, a different staff member who normally uses links reported that they too could no longer reach basic html using the browser. This is not a client issue, as I am going directly to google for my gmail reading. Karen On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail account. They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. This has to depend on something in your client. Google cannot, after all, observe anything about your client except its network behaviour; something is provoking different network behaviour - or, possibly, your client's blind trust in the JS Google is sending it is causing it to refuse you locally without exhibiting _any_ network behaviour. My guess would be that your JS implementation includes some kind of "this is what sort of implementation I am" string, which Google is asking it to send back - or, more stupidly but in my estimation a little more likely, is checking somewhere in the JS code it sends to you. Learning details (without help from Google, which help I doubt would be forthcoming) would probably require inspecting the JS it sends and/or snooping the cleartext of the communication. Neither one sounds trivial to me, though. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- XB ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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May I ask on what you base my *insistence* on ms dos? Unfortunately, due to an auditory processing disorder tied to a surgical vascular accident, some frequencies, most software generated voices stimulate the dizzy centres of my brain. That means for me the safe ranges come from hardware sources, dectalk specifically. Given the quality of that speech, one would think those creating windows based programs would have kept the patents and code for those voices. Instead, one company bought another wasted resources and created disturbingly poor quality speech instead. To be sure I prefer a low graphics environment. Still as the saying goes DOS ain't dead, check out the djdpp project, or even freedos. What is largely dead? the assumption that humans even if they share a label , are still individuals, with unique bodies circumstances and preferences. The assumption, often perpetuated by consumer groups and software makers is that all people sharing a label are Interchangeable. Did Linux write drivers t incorporate dectalk in products like the reading edge? no. Can dos be a graphical platform, certainly. Was access to basic html in gmail important to many, not even tied to accessibility? Absolutely, do a search for the phrase how do I access gmail in basic html? and you will find lots and lots of lists where people discuss the benefits for various reasons. before you decide I am insisting on anything perhaps ask why the platform is needful. Perhaps if more developers did not take a one user fits all approach, I would have safer voices to use. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: David Woolley wrote in : |On 05/11/2019 22:14, Karen Lewellen wrote: |> 1. I do not, cannot physically use the windows operating system. | |Even if you are blind, the in industry expectation is that you use a |program called JAWS, under Windows. In fact, many companies seem to |think that all that is necessary for their web site to be accessible is |that it can be used under JAWS. | |If you still want a non-graphical environment, Linux would be the |operating system of choice. | |Whilst there are standards for remoting accessing mail, there are no |effective ones for remotely accessing address books, etc., so if you use |a network based service for this you have to accept that they will be |targeting Windows users only, and any accessibility considerations will |assume the use of JAWS + Windows. They plan to overcome that with the JMAP protocol, the mail part of which became RFC 8621. |By insisting on MS-DOS, you are putting yourself in a position where it |is becoming increasingly difficult to support your usage. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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msdos and drdos and freedos remain viable with packages like commo as terminals to log into remote resources and run linux/unix commands on those remote systems. I know people who forgot how to configure ethernet cards in msdos, but maybe using a terminal program like kermit would access those ethernet cards. I doubt dos has necessary support to get wi-fi connections running. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:51:55 > From: Steffen Nurpmeso > To: David Woolley > Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > David Woolley wrote in ey.me.uk>: > |On 05/11/2019 22:14, Karen Lewellen wrote: > |> 1. I do not, cannot physically use the windows operating system. > | > |Even if you are blind, the in industry expectation is that you use a > |program called JAWS, under Windows. In fact, many companies seem to > |think that all that is necessary for their web site to be accessible is > |that it can be used under JAWS. > | > |If you still want a non-graphical environment, Linux would be the > |operating system of choice. > | > |Whilst there are standards for remoting accessing mail, there are no > |effective ones for remotely accessing address books, etc., so if you use > |a network based service for this you have to accept that they will be > |targeting Windows users only, and any accessibility considerations will > |assume the use of JAWS + Windows. > > They plan to overcome that with the JMAP protocol, the mail part > of which became RFC 8621. > > |By insisting on MS-DOS, you are putting yourself in a position where it > |is becoming increasingly difficult to support your usage. > > --steffen > | > |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, > |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one > |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off > |(By Robert Gernhardt) > > ___ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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I had to create a new account on google since my original account got taken over after I enabled two-factor authentication. I can access my account using mutt and it turns out edbrowse will also work. The edbrowse app requires a directory structure be created described in the .ebrc file dropped into a user directory the first time edbrowse is run. The .ebrc file has to have things changed in it for user's real gmail accounts too. So anyone uncomfortable doing these tasks had best not run edbrowse. Anyone wishing to use edbrowse will have to locate the user manual for it where they use it and will need to read and do the learning curve. This is a powerful and unique tool, so use accordingly or handle the consequences. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, dan d. wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:26:05 > From: dan d. > To: Karen Lewellen > Cc: Jude DaShiell , Mouse , > lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > > Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail with an > imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup section. > > I'm reading this message via that approach. > > I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx access. > I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were > grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > shellworld? > > I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. > > How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for > > example? > > > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > > Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be > > > used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots > > > of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. > > > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 > > >> From: Karen Lewellen > > >> To: Mouse > > >> Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > >> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > >> > > >> The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use > > >> elinks > > >> and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research > > >> gmail > > >> account. > > >> They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right > > >> kind > > >> of JavaScript. > > >> Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently > > >> although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a > > >> dos > > >> ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. > > >> so please share more details all the way around. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: > > >> > > >>>> gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, > > >>> > > >>> My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using > > >>> one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI > > >>> horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing > > >>> with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was > > >>> installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient > > >>> in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced > > >>> onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view > > >>> and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; > > >>> I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. > > >>> > > >>> I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. > > >>> > > >>>> and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that > > >>>> run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. > > >>> > > >>> If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't > > >>> interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please > > >>> mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed > > >>> the stringency of their stance.) > > >>> > > >>> /~\ The ASCII Mouse > > >>> \ / Ribbon Campaign > > >>> X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org > > >>> / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > >>> > > >>> ___ > > >>> Lynx-dev mailing list > > >>> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > >>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > > >>> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> Lynx-dev mailing list > > >> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > >> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Lynx-dev mailing list > > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > > > > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Alpine is another text only cli mail client that can pull down gmail with an imap or pop connection. It is configured in the alpine setup section. I'm reading this message via that approach. I have had an email account for some years and it still allows lynx access. I think at some fairly recent point existing accounts were grandfathered in and new accounts refused using lynx. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > shellworld? > I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. > How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for > example? > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be > > used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots > > of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > >> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 > >> From: Karen Lewellen > >> To: Mouse > >> Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > >> > >> The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use > >> elinks > >> and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research > >> gmail > >> account. > >> They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right > >> kind > >> of JavaScript. > >> Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently > >> although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos > >> ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. > >> so please share more details all the way around. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: > >> > >>>> gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, > >>> > >>> My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using > >>> one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI > >>> horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing > >>> with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was > >>> installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient > >>> in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced > >>> onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view > >>> and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; > >>> I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. > >>> > >>> I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. > >>> > >>>> and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that > >>>> run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. > >>> > >>> If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't > >>> interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please > >>> mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed > >>> the stringency of their stance.) > >>> > >>> /~\ The ASCII Mouse > >>> \ / Ribbon Campaign > >>> X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org > >>> / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Lynx-dev mailing list > >>> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Lynx-dev mailing list > >> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > >> > > > > -- > > > > > > ___ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > -- XB ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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I read somewher elinks and the like use a subset of java only with inherent limited java functionality. That is likely what google is seeing when querying a client request. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Actually, this is not correct. > I have gotten this duplicated by google accessibility staff. In fact > Google stated in an article recently that since only crooks turn off > JavaScript, they will not allow anyone to sign into their gmail account > without JavaScript. > When I requested answers for accessibility reasons, one staff member > duplicated the issue using elinks, and told me that it was because Google > did not consider elinks to use the "right" kind of JavaScript. > Later, a different staff member who normally uses links reported that they > too could no longer reach basic html using the browser. > This is not a client issue, as I am going directly to google for my gmail > reading. > Karen > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: > > >> The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use > >> elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my > >> research gmail account. > > > >> They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the > >> right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love > >> learning how this is done. > > > > This has to depend on something in your client. Google cannot, after > > all, observe anything about your client except its network behaviour; > > something is provoking different network behaviour - or, possibly, your > > client's blind trust in the JS Google is sending it is causing it to > > refuse you locally without exhibiting _any_ network behaviour. > > > > My guess would be that your JS implementation includes some kind of > > "this is what sort of implementation I am" string, which Google is > > asking it to send back - or, more stupidly but in my estimation a > > little more likely, is checking somewhere in the JS code it sends to > > you. Learning details (without help from Google, which help I doubt > > would be forthcoming) would probably require inspecting the JS it sends > > and/or snooping the cleartext of the communication. Neither one sounds > > trivial to me, though. > > > > /~\ The ASCII Mouse > > \ / Ribbon Campaign > > X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org > > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > > ___ > > Lynx-dev mailing list > > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > > > > ___ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > -- XB ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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David Woolley wrote in : |On 05/11/2019 22:14, Karen Lewellen wrote: |> 1. I do not, cannot physically use the windows operating system. | |Even if you are blind, the in industry expectation is that you use a |program called JAWS, under Windows. In fact, many companies seem to |think that all that is necessary for their web site to be accessible is |that it can be used under JAWS. | |If you still want a non-graphical environment, Linux would be the |operating system of choice. | |Whilst there are standards for remoting accessing mail, there are no |effective ones for remotely accessing address books, etc., so if you use |a network based service for this you have to accept that they will be |targeting Windows users only, and any accessibility considerations will |assume the use of JAWS + Windows. They plan to overcome that with the JMAP protocol, the mail part of which became RFC 8621. |By insisting on MS-DOS, you are putting yourself in a position where it |is becoming increasingly difficult to support your usage. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Most windows users actually use nvda due to the price tag on jaws especially true outside the United States. I don't know how to do this, but an alternate solution would be to modify the google account so any email coming to it is forwarded to another email address. Apparently a way exists to do this and in that way you cut out the web for email access. edbrowse has a learning curve and the sample .ebrc needs editing to make it particular to a given user account. I've never heard of anyone building edbrowse in msdos no idea if that's even feasible. Also, many versions of jaws exist including Federal versions modified for security and industry can't even manage all of those versions well. On Wed, 6 Nov 2019, David Woolley wrote: > Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 05:52:24 > From: David Woolley > To: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > On 05/11/2019 22:14, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > 1. I do not, cannot physically use the windows operating system. > > Even if you are blind, the in industry expectation is that you use a program > called JAWS, under Windows. In fact, many companies seem to think that all > that is necessary for their web site to be accessible is that it can be used > under JAWS. > > If you still want a non-graphical environment, Linux would be the operating > system of choice. > > Whilst there are standards for remoting accessing mail, there are no effective > ones for remotely accessing address books, etc., so if you use a network based > service for this you have to accept that they will be targeting Windows users > only, and any accessibility considerations will assume the use of JAWS + > Windows. > > By insisting on MS-DOS, you are putting yourself in a position where it is > becoming increasingly difficult to support your usage. > > ___ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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On 05/11/2019 22:14, Karen Lewellen wrote: 1. I do not, cannot physically use the windows operating system. Even if you are blind, the in industry expectation is that you use a program called JAWS, under Windows. In fact, many companies seem to think that all that is necessary for their web site to be accessible is that it can be used under JAWS. If you still want a non-graphical environment, Linux would be the operating system of choice. Whilst there are standards for remoting accessing mail, there are no effective ones for remotely accessing address books, etc., so if you use a network based service for this you have to accept that they will be targeting Windows users only, and any accessibility considerations will assume the use of JAWS + Windows. By insisting on MS-DOS, you are putting yourself in a position where it is becoming increasingly difficult to support your usage. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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1. I do not, cannot physically use the windows operating system. 2. I am not sure I follow the copy paste question at all, my goal is to reach my gmail account using lynx as I currently can with my main account. Any back door, because of the extensive research and mail history, contacts, stored documents and links existing in this inbox, much be as easily accessible as it would be normally from https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html=h which currently produces, Couldn't sign you in The browser you're using doesn't support JavaScript, or has JavaScript turned off. To keep your Google Account secure, try signing in on a browser that has JavaScript turned on. [1]Learn more * Google * [2]Privacy * [3]Terms Change language [?English (United States)_] Karen On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Steffen Nurpmeso wrote: Karen Lewellen wrote in : |shellworld? |I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. |How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for |example? But if all else fails copy+paste should be possible, no? On X Windows, dependent on the window manager, you could also configure mouse actions etc. so then URL selection + X would do it for you. If you use a terminal multiplexer like tmux this could also be doable, mostly what i do. I do not know whether mutt has some hook which allows direct start of a browser for a given thing you see in the pager. (Btw., a couple of years ago i watched a video of Russ Cox describing how he works with the Acme editor in Plan9(Port), and there it shows how efficient mouse copy+paste can be. It is [1]. Near the end i think he worked a bit. Btw. the Plan9 Rio terminal / rc shell did not even have a history, it is all done via scrolling, and copy + paste. Not my thing, but if you can...) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1xVpMPn8M --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Karen Lewellen wrote in : |shellworld? |I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. |How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for |example? But if all else fails copy+paste should be possible, no? On X Windows, dependent on the window manager, you could also configure mouse actions etc. so then URL selection + X would do it for you. If you use a terminal multiplexer like tmux this could also be doable, mostly what i do. I do not know whether mutt has some hook which allows direct start of a browser for a given thing you see in the pager. (Btw., a couple of years ago i watched a video of Russ Cox describing how he works with the Acme editor in Plan9(Port), and there it shows how efficient mouse copy+paste can be. It is [1]. Near the end i think he worked a bit. Btw. the Plan9 Rio terminal / rc shell did not even have a history, it is all done via scrolling, and copy + paste. Not my thing, but if you can...) [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP1xVpMPn8M --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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I am not personally keen on running a program that the administrator here at shellworld has not configured to work with their environment. How does using a third party program keep mail history, contact lists, sent mail etc., all from an existing gmail account? It seems odd that I can use lynx perfectly with my main account, but my research one is blocked. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: A program called urlscan is used by mutt to do that and it honors the BROWSER environment variable setting so if that's lynx urlscan will open in lynx. The https://wiki.archlinux.org/ page has help on setting mutt up and I think urlscan is mentioned in that help or has its own help page. An older program called url-view was used by mutt but urlscan seems to have replaced it. There's a learning curve for mutt, learning what to put in your configuration files and to set up macros but a script called fleacollar.sh got written and if you run that and answer all questions accurately it should make you useable configuration files for mutt. I can send you a copy of that script but I'll not send that to lynx-dev. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:49:16 From: Karen Lewellen To: Jude DaShiell Cc: Mouse , lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? shellworld? I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for example? On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 From: Karen Lewellen To: Mouse Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail account. They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. so please share more details all the way around. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed the stringency of their stance.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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On 2019-11-05 15:49, Karen Lewellen wrote: > How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links > for example? Mutt outsources the following of links to an external program. The typical way is to pipe the message to the "urlscan" program (there's also a "urlview" but it lacks some of the nice features of "urlscan"). The "urlscan" program scrapes the body of the email (or really, any input so it's not limited to launching URLs found in emails, but any text input) for all URLs it contains, presents them to you with context, and lets you open them in whatever browser you have configured, including lynx (bringing this back full-circle to this mailing-list). Similarly, mutt can work in conjunction with your mailcap file to open HTML attachments (such as multi-part MIME mail messages) directly in your browser of choice (such as lynx) or transforming the message into a text format like "lynx -dump" produces. This same mailcap functionality lets you set default programs for all manner of attachments such as PDF files (perhaps sending them through "pdftotext" or an OCR program), MS Word files (with catdoc, docx2txt, antiword, pandoc, etc), and all manner of other attachment-types. -tim ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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A program called urlscan is used by mutt to do that and it honors the BROWSER environment variable setting so if that's lynx urlscan will open in lynx. The https://wiki.archlinux.org/ page has help on setting mutt up and I think urlscan is mentioned in that help or has its own help page. An older program called url-view was used by mutt but urlscan seems to have replaced it. There's a learning curve for mutt, learning what to put in your configuration files and to set up macros but a script called fleacollar.sh got written and if you run that and answer all questions accurately it should make you useable configuration files for mutt. I can send you a copy of that script but I'll not send that to lynx-dev. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:49:16 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Jude DaShiell > Cc: Mouse , lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > shellworld? > I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. > How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for > example? > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be > > used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots > > of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > >> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 > >> From: Karen Lewellen > >> To: Mouse > >> Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >> Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > >> > >> The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use > >> elinks > >> and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research > >> gmail > >> account. > >> They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right > >> kind > >> of JavaScript. > >> Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently > >> although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos > >> ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. > >> so please share more details all the way around. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: > >> > >>>> gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, > >>> > >>> My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using > >>> one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI > >>> horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing > >>> with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was > >>> installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient > >>> in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced > >>> onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view > >>> and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; > >>> I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. > >>> > >>> I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. > >>> > >>>> and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that > >>>> run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. > >>> > >>> If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't > >>> interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please > >>> mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed > >>> the stringency of their stance.) > >>> > >>> /~\ The ASCII Mouse > >>> \ / Ribbon Campaign > >>> X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org > >>> / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Lynx-dev mailing list > >>> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Lynx-dev mailing list > >> Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > >> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > >> > > > > -- > > > > > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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shellworld? I have no idea, as I have not needed to look. How does mutt manage the need for a browser, to follow e-mail links for example? On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Jude DaShiell wrote: Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 From: Karen Lewellen To: Mouse Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail account. They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. so please share more details all the way around. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed the stringency of their stance.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Mouse wrote in <201911051516.kaa27...@stone.rodents-montreal.org>: |> gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, | |My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using |one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI |horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing |with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was |installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient |in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced |onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view |and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; |I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. | |I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. | |> and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that |> run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. | |If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't |interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please |mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed |the stringency of their stance.) Not DOS, but my BSD Mail clone inherited support for SMTP, POP3 and IMAP, and can talk to GMail if you allow access of "lesser secure apps" (a term i personally refuse, since the connection is TLS secured and the password is stored pretty safe here, i'd claim safer than the auto-complete feature of the browser, but that may not be true). (I also assume you are not interested in giving Google a mobile phone number.) The manual contains a configuration example for GMail even. And in the meantime GMail even supports direct SMTPS etc., rather than upgrade of SMTP via STARTTLS command. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt) ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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> This is not a client issue, as I am going directly to google for my > gmail reading. You're still using a client; it just may be a Web client rather than an POP/IMAP/etc client. > When I requested answers for accessibility reasons, one staff member > duplicated the issue using elinks, and told me that it was because > Google did not consider elinks to use the "right" kind of JavaScript. The person who told you that either doesn't really understand JavaScript or hopes you don't (more likely the former, I'd guess). JS consists of the Web page requesting that the browser fetch a bunch of code from somewhere and run it. (Strictly speaking, JS is the language the "bunch of code" is written in.) The only way speaking of the "right kind" of JS makes any sense at all is for the person to have been talking about different versions of either the language spec or the client-side implementation, and that phrasing of it is misleading-at-best in either case. My guess is still as I sketched upthread: there's some kind of "which implementation I am" value that's getting checked. Most briefly, your JS implementation is doing what Google asked it (via the Web page and JS code) to do rather than what _you_ want it to do. Also, I just (while typing this message) quit the lynx instance that I was looking at my work email in and restarted it, re-loggin-in and all. No issues. So either there's something user-specific going on or Google is lying. (Gee, _there's_ a shocker of an idea.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Has that shell service got mutt available? Reason I ask is mutt can be used to read and reply to gmail once set up correctly and there's lots of support for setting it up with gmail on the internet. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:02:47 > From: Karen Lewellen > To: Mouse > Cc: lynx-dev@nongnu.org > Subject: Re: [Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html? > > The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks > and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail > account. > They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind > of JavaScript. > Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently > although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos > ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. > so please share more details all the way around. > > > > On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: > > >> gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, > > > > My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using > > one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI > > horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing > > with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was > > installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient > > in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced > > onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view > > and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; > > I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. > > > > I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. > > > >> and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that > >> run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. > > > > If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't > > interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please > > mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed > > the stringency of their stance.) > > > > /~\ The ASCII Mouse > > \ / Ribbon Campaign > > X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org > > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > > ___ > > Lynx-dev mailing list > > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > > > > ___ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > -- ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Actually, this is not correct. I have gotten this duplicated by google accessibility staff. In fact Google stated in an article recently that since only crooks turn off JavaScript, they will not allow anyone to sign into their gmail account without JavaScript. When I requested answers for accessibility reasons, one staff member duplicated the issue using elinks, and told me that it was because Google did not consider elinks to use the "right" kind of JavaScript. Later, a different staff member who normally uses links reported that they too could no longer reach basic html using the browser. This is not a client issue, as I am going directly to google for my gmail reading. Karen On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail account. They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. This has to depend on something in your client. Google cannot, after all, observe anything about your client except its network behaviour; something is provoking different network behaviour - or, possibly, your client's blind trust in the JS Google is sending it is causing it to refuse you locally without exhibiting _any_ network behaviour. My guess would be that your JS implementation includes some kind of "this is what sort of implementation I am" string, which Google is asking it to send back - or, more stupidly but in my estimation a little more likely, is checking somewhere in the JS code it sends to you. Learning details (without help from Google, which help I doubt would be forthcoming) would probably require inspecting the JS it sends and/or snooping the cleartext of the communication. Neither one sounds trivial to me, though. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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> The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use > elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my > research gmail account. > They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the > right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love > learning how this is done. This has to depend on something in your client. Google cannot, after all, observe anything about your client except its network behaviour; something is provoking different network behaviour - or, possibly, your client's blind trust in the JS Google is sending it is causing it to refuse you locally without exhibiting _any_ network behaviour. My guess would be that your JS implementation includes some kind of "this is what sort of implementation I am" string, which Google is asking it to send back - or, more stupidly but in my estimation a little more likely, is checking somewhere in the JS code it sends to you. Learning details (without help from Google, which help I doubt would be forthcoming) would probably require inspecting the JS it sends and/or snooping the cleartext of the communication. Neither one sounds trivial to me, though. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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The Thunderbird story is interesting because prior to now I could use elinks and links, which both can incorporate JavaScript to reach my research gmail account. They no longer allow it though because google claims it is not the right kind of JavaScript. Generally speaking I too would love learning how this is done. Presently although I use DOS, the only internet access I have comes from using a dos ssh telnet client to a shell service. Nothing from my desktop. so please share more details all the way around. On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, Mouse wrote: gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed the stringency of their stance.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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[sorry, a little OT for the Lynx list as it wanders off into mail-programs rather than using the Gmail web interface via lynx] On 2019-11-05 10:16, Mouse wrote: > > gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, > > My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are > using one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling > GUI horrors. Both POP3 & IMAP are standards and I've had success accessing Gmail from multiple utilities including alpine, mutt, and offlineimap/mbsync, along with sending via msmtp. Granted, most of those aren't DOS tools. The two elements I've found that are usually required though if you're hitting a wall with them: 1) last I checked, Google only does SSL/TLS connections, so if your mail program tries to access POP3/IMAP/SMTP over an unencrypted connection, it will balk. Fortunately, all the tools I mentioned above support TLS (or upgrading an unencrypted connection to an encrypted one with STARTTLS). However, there are still some out there (especially older code-bases that haven't been updated) that assume that plain-text is fine for sending credentials & email over the wire. Please either upgrade your mail program, or use something like offlineimap/mbsync (for IMAP) or fetchmail (for POP) that does the TLS for you and syncs it to a local mbox/Maildir/MH folder which your mail program should then be able to access locally without concern for the encryption. 2) for Gmail, you need login access, either with an OAUTH-enabled program, or by going into your Gmail settings and setting up an "application specific password". Far fewer tools support OAUTH for login, so you'll likely have better success if you set up the application password, at which point most mail programs just work as expected when given the credentials & server info. -Tim ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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what I meant was the specific tools the individual making this claim used for example yesterday to accomplish this goal. To be sure the internet, more than servers, because I often must reach site content from my research gmail address. Meaning I need to read my gmail in a browser most likely, as I do with my main gmail account. I did try using mail2web, once, to check the mail only to be blocked. I am unsure if something clearly third party would work now, but am happy to be proven wrong. Kare On Tue, 5 Nov 2019, David Woolley wrote: On 05/11/2019 06:30, Karen Lewellen wrote: In order to do this, I must log in first. there in lies the problem with google stating that my browser does not support JavaScript. may I ask what program you are using in dos, both to reach the Internet, Do you mean the internet, or do you mean HTTP servers? Internet access is generally provided by TSRs on MS-DOS, but it is long since I did it that I forget the details. and to reach gmail? gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Pegasus Mail for DOS (PMAIL.EXE ver 3.5) does not connect to any Internet server or does IMAP or POP3. It is just a mail reader and composer. You need another program to do this. There are two or three to do this but none does SSL, so now they are useless. I still use Pegasus Mail for DOS to read newsgroups (NNTP) messages that I download with the program for MS-DOS: Minuet.exe. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina - ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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> gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, My experience is that gmail supports POP and IMAP only if you are using one of a few blessed clients, all of which are huge crawling GUI horrors. Sometimes not even then; for example, back when I was fussing with mail for work, gmail refused to talk to the Thunderbird that was installed on my work laptop, claiming its encryption was insufficient in some (unspecified, as far as I can recall) respect. So I was forced onto the HTML interface. I've been using lynx with the basic HTML view and it's been working for me, but perhaps I'm just being grandfathered; I haven't meddled with the settings in quite a while now. I really wish that job would move their mail to somewhere civilized. > and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that > run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. If one of them works, great, but don't be too surprised if gmail isn't interested in talking to clients that old. (If it does work, please mention it here; I'd like to try again if it appears they've relaxed the stringency of their stance.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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On 05/11/2019 06:30, Karen Lewellen wrote: In order to do this, I must log in first. there in lies the problem with google stating that my browser does not support JavaScript. may I ask what program you are using in dos, both to reach the Internet, Do you mean the internet, or do you mean HTTP servers? Internet access is generally provided by TSRs on MS-DOS, but it is long since I did it that I forget the details. and to reach gmail? gmail supports POP3 and IMAP access, and it appears there are old versions of Pegasus Mail available, that run on MS-DOS and support these with no Windows environment present. ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Karen: You have to log once to gmail.com with any "normal" browser (Chromium, Chrome, Firefox). Select "basic HTML" at the bottom, and exit from the gmail account. When you enter gmail with Links or Lynx, you will see that it asks you to enable JavaScript. Just continue login. Very important: you have to enter the password twice. I don't use any special program in MS-DOS. Just log to gmail.com with a text browser, and do all my email in HTML. I see you have a UNIX shell account. I can also read my gmail email with Lynx for BSD in my shell account at SDF.ORG. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 5/11/19 03:30, Karen Lewellen wrote: In order to do this, I must log in first. there in lies the problem with google stating that my browser does not support JavaScript. may I ask what program you are using in dos, both to reach the Internet, and to reach gmail? On Mon, 4 Nov 2019, dos lieber wrote: Karen: Try setting your "research" account for "basic HTML" view. After closing it, you will probably be able to open it with Links and Lynx. I open gmail regularly with links and lynx in MS-DOS. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 11/4/19, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, Are there any tools that I can use to check gmail that insure a low graphics experience? While my main gmail account can still reach basic html in lynx, my research based one cannot..google removed access from my home computer. is there a third party tool that will work? I could previously use links and e-links, but google has decided, JavaScript only means their JavaScript. Oh and stated in the press, only crooks turn off JavaScript. Thanks for any ideas, Karen ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- == Ing. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina == ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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In order to do this, I must log in first. there in lies the problem with google stating that my browser does not support JavaScript. may I ask what program you are using in dos, both to reach the Internet, and to reach gmail? On Mon, 4 Nov 2019, dos lieber wrote: Karen: Try setting your "research" account for "basic HTML" view. After closing it, you will probably be able to open it with Links and Lynx. I open gmail regularly with links and lynx in MS-DOS. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 11/4/19, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, Are there any tools that I can use to check gmail that insure a low graphics experience? While my main gmail account can still reach basic html in lynx, my research based one cannot..google removed access from my home computer. is there a third party tool that will work? I could previously use links and e-links, but google has decided, JavaScript only means their JavaScript. Oh and stated in the press, only crooks turn off JavaScript. Thanks for any ideas, Karen ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev -- == Ing. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina == ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
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Karen: Try setting your "research" account for "basic HTML" view. After closing it, you will probably be able to open it with Links and Lynx. I open gmail regularly with links and lynx in MS-DOS. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina On 11/4/19, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi folks, > Are there any tools that I can use to check gmail that insure a low > graphics experience? > While my main gmail account can still reach basic html in lynx, my > research based one cannot..google removed access from my home computer. > is there a third party tool that will work? > I could previously use links and e-links, but google has decided, > JavaScript only means their JavaScript. Oh and stated in the press, only > crooks turn off JavaScript. > Thanks for any ideas, > Karen > > > ___ > Lynx-dev mailing list > Lynx-dev@nongnu.org > https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev > -- == Ing. Alejandro Lieber Rosario Argentina == ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
[Lynx-dev] reaching gmail in basic html?
Hi folks, Are there any tools that I can use to check gmail that insure a low graphics experience? While my main gmail account can still reach basic html in lynx, my research based one cannot..google removed access from my home computer. is there a third party tool that will work? I could previously use links and e-links, but google has decided, JavaScript only means their JavaScript. Oh and stated in the press, only crooks turn off JavaScript. Thanks for any ideas, Karen ___ Lynx-dev mailing list Lynx-dev@nongnu.org https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lynx-dev
