Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 08:31:36AM -0400, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
> On 07/12/2017 04:37 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 02:50:14PM -0400, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
> > > On 07/10/2017 03:21 AM, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > > > Am Montag, 10. Juli 2017 um 08:46:58, schrieb Pavel Sanda 
> > > > 
> > > > > Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > > > > > I actually forgot what this thread is about, but from your recent
> > > > > > message, it makes me think this is a packaging issue. You might 
> > > > > > want to
> > > > > > contact the Debian or Ubuntu or Mint packagers (it depends on which
> > > > > I just checked that lyx-fonts is recommended pkg on Debian/Ubuntu
> > > > > (ie installed by default). So it might be Mint issue.
> > > > > P
> > > > Maybe. OTOH Mint is based on Ubuntu. And the package 'fonts-lyx' (Mint 
> > > > 17.3) is present.
> > > > 
> > > > Kornel
> > > I just updated the ticket. (I'm not the original reporter, but I was able 
> > > to
> > > reproduce the problem on my Mint laptop.) It turned out that fonts-lyx was
> > > /not/ present on the laptop, and adding it fixed the issue. It would be
> > > useful to know if the OP had fonts-lyx installed. I've never had the 
> > > problem
> > > on my desktop (also Mint), so I don't think it's a Mint issue.
> > Perhaps related to this old bug?
> > 
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1351283
> > 
> > Scott
> Scott: I don't think so. First, Liv has a fonts-lyx package in his PPA.
> Second, it's never happened to me before, and I've been installing from the
> PPA for a while.

OK good to know.

> When LyX 2.2.3 released, there was a bit of lag in the "official" PPA, so I
> installed from a different PPA (JonathonF). I just checked, and he has a
> fonts-lyx package (plus the transitional ttf-lyx package). Apparently
> neither installing from there nor "upgrading" from Liv's site once it caught
> up caused fonts-lyx to install, and I'm mystified as to why.

Me too.

> Having used the
> alternate PPA is the only procedural difference I can think of between this
> installation and prior ones.
> 
> FWIW (probably nothing), ttf-lyx (the transitional package) is /not/
> installed on my system.

Scott


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Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 07/12/2017 04:37 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 02:50:14PM -0400, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

On 07/10/2017 03:21 AM, Kornel Benko wrote:

Am Montag, 10. Juli 2017 um 08:46:58, schrieb Pavel Sanda 

Scott Kostyshak wrote:

I actually forgot what this thread is about, but from your recent
message, it makes me think this is a packaging issue. You might want to
contact the Debian or Ubuntu or Mint packagers (it depends on which

I just checked that lyx-fonts is recommended pkg on Debian/Ubuntu
(ie installed by default). So it might be Mint issue.
P

Maybe. OTOH Mint is based on Ubuntu. And the package 'fonts-lyx' (Mint 17.3) is 
present.

Kornel

I just updated the ticket. (I'm not the original reporter, but I was able to
reproduce the problem on my Mint laptop.) It turned out that fonts-lyx was
/not/ present on the laptop, and adding it fixed the issue. It would be
useful to know if the OP had fonts-lyx installed. I've never had the problem
on my desktop (also Mint), so I don't think it's a Mint issue.

Perhaps related to this old bug?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1351283

Scott
Scott: I don't think so. First, Liv has a fonts-lyx package in his PPA. 
Second, it's never happened to me before, and I've been installing from 
the PPA for a while.


When LyX 2.2.3 released, there was a bit of lag in the "official" PPA, 
so I installed from a different PPA (JonathonF). I just checked, and he 
has a fonts-lyx package (plus the transitional ttf-lyx package). 
Apparently neither installing from there nor "upgrading" from Liv's site 
once it caught up caused fonts-lyx to install, and I'm mystified as to 
why. Having used the alternate PPA is the only procedural difference I 
can think of between this installation and prior ones.


FWIW (probably nothing), ttf-lyx (the transitional package) is /not/ 
installed on my system.


Paul

Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 02:50:14PM -0400, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
> On 07/10/2017 03:21 AM, Kornel Benko wrote:
> > Am Montag, 10. Juli 2017 um 08:46:58, schrieb Pavel Sanda 
> > > Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > > > I actually forgot what this thread is about, but from your recent
> > > > message, it makes me think this is a packaging issue. You might want to
> > > > contact the Debian or Ubuntu or Mint packagers (it depends on which
> > > I just checked that lyx-fonts is recommended pkg on Debian/Ubuntu
> > > (ie installed by default). So it might be Mint issue.
> > > P
> > Maybe. OTOH Mint is based on Ubuntu. And the package 'fonts-lyx' (Mint 
> > 17.3) is present.
> > 
> > Kornel
> I just updated the ticket. (I'm not the original reporter, but I was able to
> reproduce the problem on my Mint laptop.) It turned out that fonts-lyx was
> /not/ present on the laptop, and adding it fixed the issue. It would be
> useful to know if the OP had fonts-lyx installed. I've never had the problem
> on my desktop (also Mint), so I don't think it's a Mint issue.

Perhaps related to this old bug?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1351283

Scott


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Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Jack Sankey]

I will note that I've now seen references to "lyx-fonts" and "fonts-lyx" in
this thread. Perhaps it is "fonts-lyx" on ubuntu, which is why it works?

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:40 PM, LyX Ticket Tracker <t...@lyx.org> wrote:

> #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)
> --+-
>  Reporter:  jaxankey  |   Owner:  lasgouttes
>  Type:  defect|  Status:  new
>  Priority:  normal|   Milestone:
> Component:  font  | Version:  2.2.2
>  Severity:  normal|  Resolution:
>  Keywords:|
> --+-
>
> Comment (by prubin):
>
>  I dug a bit deeper and discovered the following. In Synaptic, if I search
>  for "lyx" in installed packages, I get three hits on my PC (where mathed
>  display works): lyx, lyx-common and fonts-lyx. On the laptop, the same
>  search finds lyx, lyx-common and xfonts-mathml. That last one mentions
>  that "[y]ou will also need ... and fonts-lyx (TeX's Computer Modern fonts)
>  to view MathML properly" (hence the hit in the search). I don't have
>  xfonts-mathml on the PC, and I have no recollection of why I installed it
>  on the laptop.
>
>  Installing fonts-lyx on the laptop fixed the display problem there. I
>  really have no idea why it wasn't installed from Liv's PPA along with the
>  rest of LyX 2.2.3.
>
> --
> Ticket URL: <http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/10637#comment:6>
> The LyX Project <http://www.lyx.org/>
> LyX -- The Document Processor
>

Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 07/10/2017 03:21 AM, Kornel Benko wrote:

Am Montag, 10. Juli 2017 um 08:46:58, schrieb Pavel Sanda 

Scott Kostyshak wrote:

I actually forgot what this thread is about, but from your recent
message, it makes me think this is a packaging issue. You might want to
contact the Debian or Ubuntu or Mint packagers (it depends on which

I just checked that lyx-fonts is recommended pkg on Debian/Ubuntu
(ie installed by default). So it might be Mint issue.
P

Maybe. OTOH Mint is based on Ubuntu. And the package 'fonts-lyx' (Mint 17.3) is 
present.

Kornel
I just updated the ticket. (I'm not the original reporter, but I was 
able to reproduce the problem on my Mint laptop.) It turned out that 
fonts-lyx was /not/ present on the laptop, and adding it fixed the 
issue. It would be useful to know if the OP had fonts-lyx installed. 
I've never had the problem on my desktop (also Mint), so I don't think 
it's a Mint issue.


Paul

Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Kornel Benko]

Am Montag, 10. Juli 2017 um 08:46:58, schrieb Pavel Sanda 
> Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > I actually forgot what this thread is about, but from your recent
> > message, it makes me think this is a packaging issue. You might want to
> > contact the Debian or Ubuntu or Mint packagers (it depends on which
> 
> I just checked that lyx-fonts is recommended pkg on Debian/Ubuntu
> (ie installed by default). So it might be Mint issue.
> P

Maybe. OTOH Mint is based on Ubuntu. And the package 'fonts-lyx' (Mint 17.3) is 
present.

Kornel

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Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Pavel Sanda]

Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> I actually forgot what this thread is about, but from your recent
> message, it makes me think this is a packaging issue. You might want to
> contact the Debian or Ubuntu or Mint packagers (it depends on which

I just checked that lyx-fonts is recommended pkg on Debian/Ubuntu
(ie installed by default). So it might be Mint issue.
P

Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 08:58:27PM -0400, Jack Sankey wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> It's been awhile. Perhaps I missed this in the instructions or something,
> but I was able to correct this on at least one computer by installing
> "fonts-lyx" from the default repositories. It's not installed by default
> with lyx (but should be, I think, since it's so important; same goes for
> lyx-common).

I actually forgot what this thread is about, but from your recent
message, it makes me think this is a packaging issue. You might want to
contact the Debian or Ubuntu or Mint packagers (it depends on which
distro-specific patch to the control file). We are not in charge of the
packaging. When you do that, it would be great if you could let us know
what comes as a result. Thanks for helping to fix this issue so others
don't come across it in the future!

Scott

Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Jack Sankey]

Hi all,

It's been awhile. Perhaps I missed this in the instructions or something,
but I was able to correct this on at least one computer by installing
"fonts-lyx" from the default repositories. It's not installed by default
with lyx (but should be, I think, since it's so important; same goes for
lyx-common).

Anyway, cheers!
Jack

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 09:27:22AM -0400, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
> > On 04/23/2017 03:10 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
>
> > > P.S. let's keep everything on trac instead of the mailing list so we
> > > don't fragment the discussion.
> > I'm the other Mint user. I'm fine with keeping it on Trac, but just as an
> > FYI I'm also subscribed here (which is how I learned about the ticket).
>
> Good point. I didn't think about that. I suppose that that is indeed a
> disadvantage to keeping it on trac.
>
> I will make a note to CC you (let me know if you prefer not) on issues
> that mention Mint.
>
> Scott
>

Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 09:27:22AM -0400, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
> On 04/23/2017 03:10 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

> > P.S. let's keep everything on trac instead of the mailing list so we
> > don't fragment the discussion.
> I'm the other Mint user. I'm fine with keeping it on Trac, but just as an
> FYI I'm also subscribed here (which is how I learned about the ticket).

Good point. I didn't think about that. I suppose that that is indeed a
disadvantage to keeping it on trac.

I will make a note to CC you (let me know if you prefer not) on issues
that mention Mint.

Scott


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Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Paul A. Rubin]

On 04/23/2017 03:10 AM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 05:31:41PM -0400, Jack Sankey wrote:

Sure, feel free to add me. I'm happy to help when I can, though, while my
passion is reporting LyX bugs, I have a time-consuming side-job (pre-tenure
physics professor) that pays the bills. ;) It took half a year to post this
bug, and a few weeks after I noticed the \propto issue.

Fair enough. I'll add you but I will remember that you have many other
things on your plate. Thanks!

Another Mint user has posted on the bug report so hopefully we can
compare your set up (e.g. fonts) to theirs and figure out the root
problem.

Scott

P.S. let's keep everything on trac instead of the mailing list so we
don't fragment the discussion.
I'm the other Mint user. I'm fine with keeping it on Trac, but just as 
an FYI I'm also subscribed here (which is how I learned about the ticket).


Paul

Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 05:31:41PM -0400, Jack Sankey wrote:
> Sure, feel free to add me. I'm happy to help when I can, though, while my
> passion is reporting LyX bugs, I have a time-consuming side-job (pre-tenure
> physics professor) that pays the bills. ;) It took half a year to post this
> bug, and a few weeks after I noticed the \propto issue.

Fair enough. I'll add you but I will remember that you have many other
things on your plate. Thanks!

Another Mint user has posted on the bug report so hopefully we can
compare your set up (e.g. fonts) to theirs and figure out the root
problem.

Scott

P.S. let's keep everything on trac instead of the mailing list so we
don't fragment the discussion.


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Re: #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)

[Jack Sankey]

Sure, feel free to add me. I'm happy to help when I can, though, while my
passion is reporting LyX bugs, I have a time-consuming side-job (pre-tenure
physics professor) that pays the bills. ;) It took half a year to post this
bug, and a few weeks after I noticed the \propto issue.

I'll leave this in my inbox and eventually get my Ubuntu and Mint boxes in
the same room. One's a laptop at least!

I can get the build info for the Mint LyX:

LyX 2.2.2 (2016-10-10)

Git commit hash

Configuration

Host type: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

Special build flags: build=release warnings c++11 std-regex use-aspell
use-enchant use-hunspell

C++ Compiler: g++ (5.4.0)

C++ Compiler flags: -Wall -Wextra -std=c++11 -O2
-Wno-deprecated-declarations

C++ Compiler user flags:

Linker flags:

Linker user flags:

Qt Frontend:

Qt version: 4.8.7

Packaging: posix

LyX binary dir: /usr/bin

LyX files dir: /usr/share/lyx

Cheers,
Jack



On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 12:56 PM, LyX Ticket Tracker <t...@lyx.org> wrote:

> #10637: Math mode characters strange / wrong in Linux Mint (not windows)
> --+-
>  Reporter:  jaxankey  |   Owner:  lasgouttes
>  Type:  defect|  Status:  new
>  Priority:  normal|   Milestone:
> Component:  font  | Version:  2.2.2
>  Severity:  normal|  Resolution:
>  Keywords:|
> --+-
> Changes (by skostysh):
>
>  * keywords:  fonts, math mode =>
>  * component:  general => font
>
>
> Comment:
>
>  Thanks for this report, jaxankey.
>
>  I feel like I might have heard of an issue like this in the past but I
>  can't find it.
>
>  In your Mint installation, what Qt version is it using? Can you go to Help
>  > About and see what Qt version is specified there?
>
>  It is helpful to know that you can reproduce the issue on Mint but not on
>  Ubuntu. This will be helpful in narrowing down the possible causes of the
>  problem since they are so similar so we just have to find the difference
>  that causes the problem.
>
>  On your Ubuntu installation can you also go to Help > About and see if
>  there are any differences to Help > About on your Mint LyX?
>
>  Also, can you run
>
>  {{{
>  lyx -dbg font
>  }}}
>
>  and do the steps necessary to reproduce the bug (e.g. you can run {{{lyx
>  -dbg font yourfile.lyx}}}, where yourfile.lyx is the LyX file from which
>  you produced your screenshots.
>
>  Can you copy/paste the terminal output from the -dbg command above (or you
>  could just redirect that command to a file if you prefer) for both Ubuntu
>  and Mint?
>
>  I might also suggest looking at differences in the output of {{{ldd}}},
>  but let's wait on that.
>
>  And just to make absolutely sure I understand: the issue you're reporting
>  is only about LyX's display, not about unexpected PDF output. The PDF
>  output is correct. It is the LyX display that is not correct. Did I get
>  that right?
>
>  By the way, since you have LyX installations on Linux, Mac, and Windows,
>  do you mind if I add you to the list of testers that I keep track of?
>  Occasionally I would CC you on a bug just to see which OS's you can
>  reproduce it on. There would be no pressure for you to respond (e.g. if
>  busy at that moment). Most LyX developers use exclusively Linux so you are
>  a valuable commodity :) Of course, please feel free to say no (e.g. not
>  enough time/interest).
>
> --
> Ticket URL: <http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/10637#comment:1>
> The LyX Project <http://www.lyx.org/>
> LyX -- The Document Processor
>