Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Georg Baum]

Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

 Development of new features and/or fixes that can wait for LyX 2.1.x, or
 2.2.0, can take place in the new features repository.

IMHO it would be very good to concentrate on 2.1.0 and not to work on 2.2 or 
2.1.x stuff at all until 2.1.0 is released. Otherwise it will be very 
difficult to do a timely release.

 Please let me know if you have any remarks.

What is the status of the bugs targeted to 2.1.0? Is the current list OK, or 
do we still need to postpone some?


Georg

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Georg Baum]

Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

> Development of new features and/or fixes that can wait for LyX 2.1.x, or
> 2.2.0, can take place in the new features repository.

IMHO it would be very good to concentrate on 2.1.0 and not to work on 2.2 or 
2.1.x stuff at all until 2.1.0 is released. Otherwise it will be very 
difficult to do a timely release.

> Please let me know if you have any remarks.

What is the status of the bugs targeted to 2.1.0? Is the current list OK, or 
do we still need to postpone some?


Georg

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Jerry]

On May 21, 2013, at 1:32 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

 Dear all,
 
 It seems that the current master has survived the Lyx Developer's Meeting and 
 is still in good shape. Therefore, I intend to release the first beta of LyX 
 2.1 during the first weekend of June. In the meantime, the last topics can be 
 finished, the documentation can be updated, the translations can be updated, 
 and the release can be prepared.
 
 From now on, I would like to freeze the current master and to only allow:
 - important bugfixes, and
 - a few remaining topics that are 'in flight'
 (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being 
 prepared for LyX2.1)
 
 Development of new features and/or fixes that can wait for LyX 2.1.x, or 
 2.2.0, can take place in the new features repository.
 
 Please have a look at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21; and help to 
 complete the list of new features as much as possible. Maybe Uwe would also 
 appreciate some help to document the new features.

The recent work to correct slow scrolling is not included?
Jerry

 
 Depending on the feedback we get about this beta release, I will decide on 
 whether there will be more betas, or we will jump to the final LyX 2.1 
 release.
 
 Please let me know if you have any remarks.
 
 Vincent
 
 

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Op 22-5-2013 9:29, Jerry schreef:


The recent work to correct slow scrolling is not included?
Jerry


I'm not sure I know which work you mean. Besides, is this really a new 
feature or just a bugfix ?


Vincent

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

22/05/2013 10:15, Vincent van Ravesteijn:

Op 22-5-2013 9:29, Jerry schreef:


The recent work to correct slow scrolling is not included?
Jerry


I'm not sure I know which work you mean. Besides, is this really a new
feature or just a bugfix ?


I guess this is the patch from pdv we discussed in Milano.

Jerry, unfortunately this patch cannot go in in its present form and we 
did not find the time to do the cleanup in Milano. Too much time was 
spent at the meeting debating the virtues of C++11, cmake or Qt instead 
of coding :-|


This is difficult stuff and has to be done carefully.

JMarc

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 21.05.2013 10:32, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn:


Please have a look at http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21; and help to complete 
the list of new
features as much as possible. Maybe Uwe would also appreciate some help to 
document the new features.


Please don't add anything to the UserGuide from now on. The UserGuide revision is ready and the 
translators will start their work. After that I start to update th docs for LyX 2.1. You help me the 
most if you mention all new features in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21.


thanks and regards
Uwe

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Jerry]

On May 22, 2013, at 2:06 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

 22/05/2013 10:15, Vincent van Ravesteijn:
 Op 22-5-2013 9:29, Jerry schreef:
 
 The recent work to correct slow scrolling is not included?
 Jerry
 
 I'm not sure I know which work you mean. Besides, is this really a new
 feature or just a bugfix ?
 
 I guess this is the patch from pdv we discussed in Milano.
 
 Jerry, unfortunately this patch cannot go in in its present form and we did 
 not find the time to do the cleanup in Milano. Too much time was spent at the 
 meeting debating the virtues of C++11, cmake or Qt instead of coding :-|
 
 This is difficult stuff and has to be done carefully.
 
 JMarc

I appreciate that. Thanks for the update.
Jerry

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Jerry]

On May 21, 2013, at 1:32 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> It seems that the current master has survived the Lyx Developer's Meeting and 
> is still in good shape. Therefore, I intend to release the first beta of LyX 
> 2.1 during the first weekend of June. In the meantime, the last topics can be 
> finished, the documentation can be updated, the translations can be updated, 
> and the release can be prepared.
> 
> From now on, I would like to freeze the current master and to only allow:
> - important bugfixes, and
> - a few remaining topics that are 'in flight'
> (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being 
> prepared for LyX2.1)
> 
> Development of new features and/or fixes that can wait for LyX 2.1.x, or 
> 2.2.0, can take place in the new features repository.
> 
> Please have a look at "http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21; and help to 
> complete the list of new features as much as possible. Maybe Uwe would also 
> appreciate some help to document the new features.

The recent work to correct slow scrolling is not included?
Jerry

> 
> Depending on the feedback we get about this beta release, I will decide on 
> whether there will be more betas, or we will jump to the final LyX 2.1 
> release.
> 
> Please let me know if you have any remarks.
> 
> Vincent
> 
> 

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Op 22-5-2013 9:29, Jerry schreef:


The recent work to correct slow scrolling is not included?
Jerry


I'm not sure I know which work you mean. Besides, is this really a new 
feature or just a bugfix ?


Vincent

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

22/05/2013 10:15, Vincent van Ravesteijn:

Op 22-5-2013 9:29, Jerry schreef:


The recent work to correct slow scrolling is not included?
Jerry


I'm not sure I know which work you mean. Besides, is this really a new
feature or just a bugfix ?


I guess this is the patch from pdv we discussed in Milano.

Jerry, unfortunately this patch cannot go in in its present form and we 
did not find the time to do the cleanup in Milano. Too much time was 
spent at the meeting debating the virtues of C++11, cmake or Qt instead 
of coding :-|


This is difficult stuff and has to be done carefully.

JMarc

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 21.05.2013 10:32, schrieb Vincent van Ravesteijn:


Please have a look at "http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21; and help to complete 
the list of new
features as much as possible. Maybe Uwe would also appreciate some help to 
document the new features.


Please don't add anything to the UserGuide from now on. The UserGuide revision is ready and the 
translators will start their work. After that I start to update th docs for LyX 2.1. You help me the 
most if you mention all new features in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/NewInLyX21.


thanks and regards
Uwe

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Jerry]

On May 22, 2013, at 2:06 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

> 22/05/2013 10:15, Vincent van Ravesteijn:
>> Op 22-5-2013 9:29, Jerry schreef:
>>> 
>>> The recent work to correct slow scrolling is not included?
>>> Jerry
>> 
>> I'm not sure I know which work you mean. Besides, is this really a new
>> feature or just a bugfix ?
> 
> I guess this is the patch from pdv we discussed in Milano.
> 
> Jerry, unfortunately this patch cannot go in in its present form and we did 
> not find the time to do the cleanup in Milano. Too much time was spent at the 
> meeting debating the virtues of C++11, cmake or Qt instead of coding :-|
> 
> This is difficult stuff and has to be done carefully.
> 
> JMarc

I appreciate that. Thanks for the update.
Jerry

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Pavel Sanda]

Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being 
 prepared for LyX2.1)

I plan to finish the cleanup of includes in our headers/cpp files.

Next thing I would like to do after string freeze is to go through all new
strings and check their correctness, shouldn't be much disruptive, but might
need one more release iteration for translators.

 Depending on the feedback we get about this beta release, I will decide on 
 whether there will be more betas, or we will jump to the final LyX 2.1 
 release.

 Please let me know if you have any remarks.


I didn't get whether by jump to the final LyX 2.1 you mean release candidate
or 2.1 release. What I have seen in previous final releases is that you need
more iterations not just because of bugs but to let packagers fix *their*
issues, so just single beta and final release is not good idea in case you
meant it.

Also if you are heading towards final freezing it would be nicer if we know
the time schedule sooner than 2 weeks ahead.
Pavel

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
  (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being
  prepared for LyX2.1)

 I plan to finish the cleanup of includes in our headers/cpp files.


 Next thing I would like to do after string freeze is to go through all new
 strings and check their correctness, shouldn't be much disruptive, but
 might
 need one more release iteration for translators.

  Depending on the feedback we get about this beta release, I will decide
 on
  whether there will be more betas, or we will jump to the final LyX 2.1
  release.
 
  Please let me know if you have any remarks.


 I didn't get whether by jump to the final LyX 2.1 you mean release
 candidate
 or 2.1 release. What I have seen in previous final releases is that you
 need
 more iterations not just because of bugs but to let packagers fix *their*
 issues, so just single beta and final release is not good idea in case you
 meant it.


There must be a reason to release intermediate versions. If packagers have
problems, this could be one of the reasons.




 Also if you are heading towards final freezing it would be nicer if we know
 the time schedule sooner than 2 weeks ahead.


Yes, a nice schedule is always better. On the other hand, if people do have
new features that they definitely want to have in 2.1, they should have
communicate about it in an earlier stage when I asked for it, or they
should make sure they finish it on a two weeks notice. I asked a few months
ago what features people wanted to get in, and I'm still waiting for those
features to get ready. I can't ask again now, and wait until all new
features that are proposed now will be ready, and then ask again... etc.

Vincent

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

 Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
  (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being
  prepared for LyX2.1)

 I plan to finish the cleanup of includes in our headers/cpp files.


Is there any urgency to do this before 2.1 release ?

Vincent

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Pavel Sanda]

Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
  Also if you are heading towards final freezing it would be nicer if we know
  the time schedule sooner than 2 weeks ahead.
 
 Yes, a nice schedule is always better. On the other hand, if people do have
 new features that they definitely want to have in 2.1, they should have
 communicate about it in an earlier stage when I asked for it, or they
 should make sure they finish it on a two weeks notice. I asked a few months
 ago what features people wanted to get in, and I'm still waiting for those
 features to get ready. I can't ask again now, and wait until all new
 features that are proposed now will be ready, and then ask again... etc.

No, don't worry I don't ask about new features, but there might be different
things people have in mind to do before release is out (like the translations
or similar) and this can take some time.

   (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being
   prepared for LyX2.1)
 
  I plan to finish the cleanup of includes in our headers/cpp files.
 
 
 Is there any urgency to do this before 2.1 release ?

Once I started I will finish it ;) It's true I haven't announced it
but you haven't hinted time of freeze either so please bear with me.

It would be helpful if you are more talkative about your plans and schedule.

Pavel

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Pavel Sanda]

Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
> (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being 
> prepared for LyX2.1)

I plan to finish the cleanup of includes in our headers/cpp files.

Next thing I would like to do after string freeze is to go through all new
strings and check their correctness, shouldn't be much disruptive, but might
need one more release iteration for translators.

> Depending on the feedback we get about this beta release, I will decide on 
> whether there will be more betas, or we will jump to the final LyX 2.1 
> release.
>
> Please let me know if you have any remarks.


I didn't get whether by "jump to the final LyX 2.1" you mean release candidate
or 2.1 release. What I have seen in previous final releases is that you need
more iterations not just because of bugs but to let packagers fix *their*
issues, so just single beta and final release is not good idea in case you
meant it.

Also if you are heading towards final freezing it would be nicer if we know
the time schedule sooner than 2 weeks ahead.
Pavel

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:

> Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
> > (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being
> > prepared for LyX2.1)
>
> I plan to finish the cleanup of includes in our headers/cpp files.
>

> Next thing I would like to do after string freeze is to go through all new
> strings and check their correctness, shouldn't be much disruptive, but
> might
> need one more release iteration for translators.
>
> > Depending on the feedback we get about this beta release, I will decide
> on
> > whether there will be more betas, or we will jump to the final LyX 2.1
> > release.
> >
> > Please let me know if you have any remarks.
>
>
> I didn't get whether by "jump to the final LyX 2.1" you mean release
> candidate
> or 2.1 release. What I have seen in previous final releases is that you
> need
> more iterations not just because of bugs but to let packagers fix *their*
> issues, so just single beta and final release is not good idea in case you
> meant it.
>

There must be a reason to release intermediate versions. If packagers have
problems, this could be one of the reasons.



>
> Also if you are heading towards final freezing it would be nicer if we know
> the time schedule sooner than 2 weeks ahead.
>
>
Yes, a nice schedule is always better. On the other hand, if people do have
new features that they definitely want to have in 2.1, they should have
communicate about it in an earlier stage when I asked for it, or they
should make sure they finish it on a two weeks notice. I asked a few months
ago what features people wanted to get in, and I'm still waiting for those
features to get ready. I can't ask again now, and wait until all new
features that are proposed now will be ready, and then ask again... etc.

Vincent

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:

> Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
> > (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being
> > prepared for LyX2.1)
>
> I plan to finish the cleanup of includes in our headers/cpp files.
>

Is there any urgency to do this before 2.1 release ?

Vincent

Re: LyX 2.1 beta 1: due in two weeks

[Pavel Sanda]

Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
> > Also if you are heading towards final freezing it would be nicer if we know
> > the time schedule sooner than 2 weeks ahead.
> >
> Yes, a nice schedule is always better. On the other hand, if people do have
> new features that they definitely want to have in 2.1, they should have
> communicate about it in an earlier stage when I asked for it, or they
> should make sure they finish it on a two weeks notice. I asked a few months
> ago what features people wanted to get in, and I'm still waiting for those
> features to get ready. I can't ask again now, and wait until all new
> features that are proposed now will be ready, and then ask again... etc.

No, don't worry I don't ask about new features, but there might be different
things people have in mind to do before release is out (like the translations
or similar) and this can take some time.

> > > (I will send a separate mail about which topics I know that are being
> > > prepared for LyX2.1)
> >
> > I plan to finish the cleanup of includes in our headers/cpp files.
> >
> 
> Is there any urgency to do this before 2.1 release ?

Once I started I will finish it ;) It's true I haven't announced it
but you haven't hinted time of freeze either so please bear with me.

It would be helpful if you are more talkative about your plans and schedule.

Pavel