Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Pavel Sanda]

Richman Reuven wrote:
 speaking audience ^^* i'm having a little trouble with gtranslator, the
 display src file starts within the po/ folder of the cvs and doesn't
 work automatically (any idea how to set it's root folder?)

no idea about gtranslator. some people successfully use poedit.
but its normal text file, so normal terminal editors like
vim or emacs will do the job as well when you have UTF-8
capable terminal...

and lots of
 stuff really isn't clear like this ^^*

i dont see these. maybe you can try to swith to another editor?

 i'll try to add significantly
 more during the next couple of week (if i'm at home from uni), i hope it
 won't be too late (hopefully the russian translation will catchup a
 little so that i'll have to do less dirty work... ^^*)

that would be nice. i plan to strip poorly supported .po files from
distribution not sooner than at the end of march.

for this moment i put your translation update into the tree. please
send us GPL permission statement to dev list
(like this one: http://marc.info/?l=lyx-develm=128485749516885 )
i'll add you to the credits then.

pavel

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Pavel Sanda]

Richman Reuven wrote:
> speaking audience ^^* i'm having a little trouble with gtranslator, the
> display src file starts within the po/ folder of the cvs and doesn't
> work automatically (any idea how to set it's root folder?)

no idea about gtranslator. some people successfully use poedit.
but its normal text file, so normal terminal editors like
vim or emacs will do the job as well when you have UTF-8
capable terminal...

>and lots of
> stuff really isn't clear like this ^^*

i dont see these. maybe you can try to swith to another editor?

> i'll try to add significantly
> more during the next couple of week (if i'm at home from uni), i hope it
> won't be too late (hopefully the russian translation will catchup a
> little so that i'll have to do less dirty work... ^^*)

that would be nice. i plan to strip poorly supported .po files from
distribution not sooner than at the end of march.

for this moment i put your translation update into the tree. please
send us GPL permission statement to dev list
(like this one: http://marc.info/?l=lyx-devel=128485749516885 )
i'll add you to the credits then.

pavel

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Pavel Sanda]

Richman Reuven wrote:
 i hope it's not too late into the release process to be reporting
 this... :S

please create bugzilla reports, either with recipy to reproduce
or with attached problematic .lyx files.
pavel

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Pavel Sanda]

Richman Reuven wrote:
> i hope it's not too late into the release process to be reporting
> this... :S

please create bugzilla reports, either with recipy to reproduce
or with attached problematic .lyx files.
pavel

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Richman Reuven]

sorry for the delay, i was away, i hope it's not too late:

(installing lyx using yum)
$ yum --version xetex
3.2.28
  Installed: rpm-4.8.1-5.fc14.i686 at 2011-02-07 23:02
  Built: Fedora Project at 2010-08-10 07:43
  Committed: Panu Matilainen pmati...@redhat.com at 2010-08-10

  Installed: yum-3.2.28-5.fc14.noarch at 2011-02-07 23:04
  Built: Fedora Project at 2010-10-05 13:03
  Committed: Seth Vidal skvidal at fedoraproject.org at 2010-10-05

i tried some basic documents with hebrew:

both the following for the standard article class (following the normal
recommendations for setting up culmus fonts for lyx and the keybord
input switching using f12:
% Preview source code

%% LyX 2.0.0beta3 created this file.  For more info, see
http://www.lyx.org/.
%% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
\documentclass[hebrew,english]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[cp1255,latin9]{inputenc}
\usepackage{babel}
\begin{document}
\inputencoding{cp1255}%
\inputencoding{latin9}a\inputencoding{cp1255}\R{ש}
\end{document}
and for the hebrew article type with the default document language set
for hebrew:
% Preview source code

%% LyX 2.0.0beta3 created this file.  For more info, see
http://www.lyx.org/.
%% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
\documentclass[english,hebrew]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin9,cp1255]{inputenc}

\makeatletter
%% Textclass specific LaTeX
commands.
\usepackage{theorem}
\theorembodyfont{\upshape}
\newtheorem{theorem}{\R{משפט}}[section]
\AtBeginDocument{\make@lr\thetheorem}

\makeatother

\usepackage{babel}
\begin{document}
ש\inputencoding{latin9}\L{a}
\end{document}
generate a preview pdf with only the english 'a' (the second example has
it aligned tot he right of the page as it should) and the hebrew font
doesn't show at all :(

(it's kinda odd btw that the second example show a non default lyx
environment as it's what lyx itself shows)

this is as you can see lyx2.0.0beta3 on fedora 14 (with
2.6.35.10-74.fc14.i686, if you want to know specific pacakges i'd be
happy to provide) the viewer is evince 2.32.0 which doesn't seem to have
any problems showing documents with hebrew fonts :S

the second log looks something like:
This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)
(format=pdflatex 2011.2.8)  16 FEB 2011 22:41
entering extended mode
 %-line parsing enabled.
**newfile1.tex
(./newfile1.tex
LaTeX2e 2005/12/01
Babel v3.8h and hyphenation patterns for english,
usenglishmax, dumylang, noh
yphenation, arabic, basque, bulgarian, coptic, welsh, czech,
slovak, german, ng
erman, danish, esperanto, spanish, catalan, galician, estonian,
farsi, finnish,
 french, greek, monogreek, ancientgreek, croatian, hungarian,
interlingua, ibyc
us, indonesian, icelandic, italian, latin, mongolian, dutch,
norsk, polish, por
tuguese, pinyin, romanian, russian, slovenian, uppersorbian,
serbian, swedish, 
turkish, ukenglish, ukrainian, loaded.

(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2005/09/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX document
class
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo
File: size10.clo 2005/09/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX file (size
option)
)
\c@part=\count79
\c@section=\count80
\c@subsection=\count81
\c@subsubsection=\count82
\c@paragraph=\count83
\c@subparagraph=\count84
\c@figure=\count85
\c@table=\count86
\abovecaptionskip=\skip41
\belowcaptionskip=\skip42
\bibindent=\dimen102
) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
Package: fontenc 2005/09/27 v1.99g Standard LaTeX package
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def
File: t1enc.def 2005/09/27 v1.99g Standard LaTeX file
LaTeX Font Info:Redeclaring font encoding T1 on input line
43.
)) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
Package: inputenc 2006/05/05 v1.1b Input encoding file
\inpenc@prehook=\toks14
\inpenc@posthook=\toks15
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def
File: latin9.def 2006/05/05 v1.1b Input encoding file
) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/cp1255.def
File: cp1255.def 2004/02/20 v1.1b Hebrew input encoding file
)) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/theorem.sty
Package: theorem 1995/11/23 v2.2c Theorem extension package
(FMi)
\theorem@style=\toks16

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Richman Reuven]

sorry in the previous mail i thought i included it...

Name: tex-fonts-hebrew
Arch: noarch
Version : 0.1
Release : 14.fc12
Size: 222 k
Repo: installed
From repo   : fedora
Summary : Culmus Hebrew fonts support for LaTeX
URL : http://culmus.sf.net
License : GPL+ and LPPL
Description : Support using the Culmus Hebrew fonts in LaTeX.

Name: tex-preview
Arch: noarch
Version : 11.86
Release : 4.fc14
Size: 161 k
Repo: installed
From repo   : fedora
Summary : Preview style files for LaTeX
URL : http://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/
License : GPLv3+
Description : The preview package for LaTeX allows for the
processing of selected
: parts of a LaTeX input file.  This package
extracts indicated pieces
: from a source file (typically displayed equations,
figures and
: graphics) and typesets with their base point at
the (1in,1in) magic
: location, shipping out the individual pieces on
separate pages without
: any page markup.  You can produce either DVI or
PDF files, and options
: exist that will set the page size separately for
each page.  In that
: manner, further processing (as with Ghostscript or
dvipng) will be
: able to work in a single pass.
: 
: The main purpose of this package is the extraction
of certain
: environments (most notably displayed formulas)
from LaTeX sources as
: graphics. This works with DVI files postprocessed
by either Dvips and
: Ghostscript or dvipng, but it also works when you
are using PDFTeX for
: generating PDF files (usually also postprocessed
by Ghostscript).
: 
: The tex-preview package is generated from the
AUCTeX package for
: Emacs.

Name: tex-simplecv
Arch: noarch
Version : 1.6
Release : 8.fc12
Size: 5.4 k
Repo: installed
From repo   : fedora
Summary : A simple latex class for writing curricula vitae
URL :
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/simplecv/
License : LPPL
Description : The simplecv document class is intended to provide
a simple yet
: elegant way to write your curriculum vitae
(resume). This is a
: repackaging of the |cv| class that has been
available with LyX for a
: long time. The change of name has been made
necessary by the existence
: of another |cv| class on CTAN.

Name: texinfo
Arch: i686
Version : 4.13a
Release : 13.fc14
Size: 1.9 M
Repo: installed
From repo   : updates
Summary : Tools needed to create Texinfo format
documentation files
URL : http://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/
License : GPLv3+
Description : Texinfo is a documentation system that can produce
both online
: information and printed output from a single
source file. The GNU
: Project uses the Texinfo file format for most of
its documentation.
: 
: Install texinfo if you want a documentation system
for producing both
: online and print documentation from the same
source file and/or if you
: are going to write documentation for the GNU
Project.

Name: texlive
Arch: i686
Version : 2007
Release : 56.fc14
Size: 3.9 M
Repo: installed
From repo   : fedora
Summary : Binaries for the TeX formatting system
URL : http://tug.org/texlive/
License : GPLv2 and BSD and Public Domain and LGPLv2+ and
GPLv2+ and LPPL
Description : TeXLive is an implementation of TeX for Linux or
UNIX systems. TeX takes
: a text file and a set of formatting commands as
input and creates a
: printable file as output. Usually, TeX is used in
conjunction with
: a higher level formatting package like LaTeX or
PlainTeX, since TeX by
: 

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Richman Reuven]

sorry for the delay, i was away, i hope it's not too late:

(installing lyx using yum)
$ yum --version xetex
3.2.28
  Installed: rpm-4.8.1-5.fc14.i686 at 2011-02-07 23:02
  Built: Fedora Project at 2010-08-10 07:43
  Committed: Panu Matilainen  at 2010-08-10

  Installed: yum-3.2.28-5.fc14.noarch at 2011-02-07 23:04
  Built: Fedora Project at 2010-10-05 13:03
  Committed: Seth Vidal  at 2010-10-05

i tried some basic documents with hebrew:

both the following for the standard article class (following the normal
recommendations for setting up culmus fonts for lyx and the keybord
input switching using f12:
% Preview source code

%% LyX 2.0.0beta3 created this file.  For more info, see
http://www.lyx.org/.
%% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
\documentclass[hebrew,english]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[cp1255,latin9]{inputenc}
\usepackage{babel}
\begin{document}
\inputencoding{cp1255}%
\inputencoding{latin9}a\inputencoding{cp1255}\R{ש}
\end{document}
and for the hebrew article type with the default document language set
for hebrew:
% Preview source code

%% LyX 2.0.0beta3 created this file.  For more info, see
http://www.lyx.org/.
%% Do not edit unless you really know what you are doing.
\documentclass[english,hebrew]{article}
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin9,cp1255]{inputenc}

\makeatletter
%% Textclass specific LaTeX
commands.
\usepackage{theorem}
\theorembodyfont{\upshape}
\newtheorem{theorem}{\R{משפט}}[section]
\AtBeginDocument{\make@lr\thetheorem}

\makeatother

\usepackage{babel}
\begin{document}
ש\inputencoding{latin9}\L{a}
\end{document}
generate a preview pdf with only the english 'a' (the second example has
it aligned tot he right of the page as it should) and the hebrew font
doesn't show at all :(

(it's kinda odd btw that the second example show a non default lyx
environment as it's what lyx itself shows)

this is as you can see lyx2.0.0beta3 on fedora 14 (with
2.6.35.10-74.fc14.i686, if you want to know specific pacakges i'd be
happy to provide) the viewer is evince 2.32.0 which doesn't seem to have
any problems showing documents with hebrew fonts :S

the second log looks something like:
This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)
(format=pdflatex 2011.2.8)  16 FEB 2011 22:41
entering extended mode
 %&-line parsing enabled.
**newfile1.tex
(./newfile1.tex
LaTeX2e <2005/12/01>
Babel  and hyphenation patterns for english,
usenglishmax, dumylang, noh
yphenation, arabic, basque, bulgarian, coptic, welsh, czech,
slovak, german, ng
erman, danish, esperanto, spanish, catalan, galician, estonian,
farsi, finnish,
 french, greek, monogreek, ancientgreek, croatian, hungarian,
interlingua, ibyc
us, indonesian, icelandic, italian, latin, mongolian, dutch,
norsk, polish, por
tuguese, pinyin, romanian, russian, slovenian, uppersorbian,
serbian, swedish, 
turkish, ukenglish, ukrainian, loaded.

(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2005/09/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX document
class
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo
File: size10.clo 2005/09/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX file (size
option)
)
\c@part=\count79
\c@section=\count80
\c@subsection=\count81
\c@subsubsection=\count82
\c@paragraph=\count83
\c@subparagraph=\count84
\c@figure=\count85
\c@table=\count86
\abovecaptionskip=\skip41
\belowcaptionskip=\skip42
\bibindent=\dimen102
) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/fontenc.sty
Package: fontenc 2005/09/27 v1.99g Standard LaTeX package
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/t1enc.def
File: t1enc.def 2005/09/27 v1.99g Standard LaTeX file
LaTeX Font Info:Redeclaring font encoding T1 on input line
43.
)) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/inputenc.sty
Package: inputenc 2006/05/05 v1.1b Input encoding file
\inpenc@prehook=\toks14
\inpenc@posthook=\toks15
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latin9.def
File: latin9.def 2006/05/05 v1.1b Input encoding file
) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/babel/cp1255.def
File: cp1255.def 2004/02/20 v1.1b Hebrew input encoding file
)) (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/theorem.sty
Package: theorem 1995/11/23 v2.2c Theorem extension package
(FMi)
\theorem@style=\toks16
\theorem@bodyfont=\toks17

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Richman Reuven]

sorry in the previous mail i thought i included it...

Name: tex-fonts-hebrew
Arch: noarch
Version : 0.1
Release : 14.fc12
Size: 222 k
Repo: installed
From repo   : fedora
Summary : Culmus Hebrew fonts support for LaTeX
URL : http://culmus.sf.net
License : GPL+ and LPPL
Description : Support using the Culmus Hebrew fonts in LaTeX.

Name: tex-preview
Arch: noarch
Version : 11.86
Release : 4.fc14
Size: 161 k
Repo: installed
From repo   : fedora
Summary : Preview style files for LaTeX
URL : http://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/
License : GPLv3+
Description : The preview package for LaTeX allows for the
processing of selected
: parts of a LaTeX input file.  This package
extracts indicated pieces
: from a source file (typically displayed equations,
figures and
: graphics) and typesets with their base point at
the (1in,1in) magic
: location, shipping out the individual pieces on
separate pages without
: any page markup.  You can produce either DVI or
PDF files, and options
: exist that will set the page size separately for
each page.  In that
: manner, further processing (as with Ghostscript or
dvipng) will be
: able to work in a single pass.
: 
: The main purpose of this package is the extraction
of certain
: environments (most notably displayed formulas)
from LaTeX sources as
: graphics. This works with DVI files postprocessed
by either Dvips and
: Ghostscript or dvipng, but it also works when you
are using PDFTeX for
: generating PDF files (usually also postprocessed
by Ghostscript).
: 
: The tex-preview package is generated from the
AUCTeX package for
: Emacs.

Name: tex-simplecv
Arch: noarch
Version : 1.6
Release : 8.fc12
Size: 5.4 k
Repo: installed
From repo   : fedora
Summary : A simple latex class for writing curricula vitae
URL :
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/simplecv/
License : LPPL
Description : The simplecv document class is intended to provide
a simple yet
: elegant way to write your curriculum vitae
(resume). This is a
: repackaging of the |cv| class that has been
available with LyX for a
: long time. The change of name has been made
necessary by the existence
: of another |cv| class on CTAN.

Name: texinfo
Arch: i686
Version : 4.13a
Release : 13.fc14
Size: 1.9 M
Repo: installed
From repo   : updates
Summary : Tools needed to create Texinfo format
documentation files
URL : http://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/
License : GPLv3+
Description : Texinfo is a documentation system that can produce
both online
: information and printed output from a single
source file. The GNU
: Project uses the Texinfo file format for most of
its documentation.
: 
: Install texinfo if you want a documentation system
for producing both
: online and print documentation from the same
source file and/or if you
: are going to write documentation for the GNU
Project.

Name: texlive
Arch: i686
Version : 2007
Release : 56.fc14
Size: 3.9 M
Repo: installed
From repo   : fedora
Summary : Binaries for the TeX formatting system
URL : http://tug.org/texlive/
License : GPLv2 and BSD and Public Domain and LGPLv2+ and
GPLv2+ and LPPL
Description : TeXLive is an implementation of TeX for Linux or
UNIX systems. TeX takes
: a text file and a set of formatting commands as
input and creates a
: printable file as output. Usually, TeX is used in
conjunction with
: a higher level formatting package like LaTeX or
PlainTeX, since TeX by
: 

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Pavel Sanda]

Richman Reuven wrote:
 hi, i can't seem to find any info on possible changes of hebrew support
 in the new version (2.0), was there something supposed to happen? (i'd
 gladly test it if i knew what to look for)

by the way, the hebrew translation of user interface is going to be killed for 
2.0
if nobody sends updated .po files. consider to help with keeping it up-to-date
if you have some spare time.

http://www.lyx.org/I18n-trunk
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/README.localization

pavel

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Pavel Sanda]

Richman Reuven wrote:
> hi, i can't seem to find any info on possible changes of hebrew support
> in the new version (2.0), was there something supposed to happen? (i'd
> gladly test it if i knew what to look for)

by the way, the hebrew translation of user interface is going to be killed for 
2.0
if nobody sends updated .po files. consider to help with keeping it up-to-date
if you have some spare time.

http://www.lyx.org/I18n-trunk
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/README.localization

pavel

hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Richman Reuven]

hi, i can't seem to find any info on possible changes of hebrew support
in the new version (2.0), was there something supposed to happen? (i'd
gladly test it if i knew what to look for)

thanks,
reuven r.

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Pavel Sanda]

Richman Reuven wrote:
 hi, i can't seem to find any info on possible changes of hebrew support
 in the new version (2.0), was there something supposed to happen? (i'd
 gladly test it if i knew what to look for)

the thing which could be good to test is that all hebrew stuff you used in 1.6
still works in 2.0. no new particular hebrew features were done, but some
additions like xetex support might have some impact.

pavel

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Richman Reuven
richman.reu...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi, i can't seem to find any info on possible changes of hebrew support
 in the new version (2.0), was there something supposed to happen? (i'd
 gladly test it if i knew what to look for)



If you like to bughunt: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7097.

Vincent

hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Richman Reuven]

hi, i can't seem to find any info on possible changes of hebrew support
in the new version (2.0), was there something supposed to happen? (i'd
gladly test it if i knew what to look for)

thanks,
reuven r.

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Pavel Sanda]

Richman Reuven wrote:
> hi, i can't seem to find any info on possible changes of hebrew support
> in the new version (2.0), was there something supposed to happen? (i'd
> gladly test it if i knew what to look for)

the thing which could be good to test is that all hebrew stuff you used in 1.6
still works in 2.0. no new particular hebrew features were done, but some
additions like xetex support might have some impact.

pavel

Re: hebrew support in lyx 2.0?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Richman Reuven
 wrote:
> hi, i can't seem to find any info on possible changes of hebrew support
> in the new version (2.0), was there something supposed to happen? (i'd
> gladly test it if i knew what to look for)
>
>

If you like to bughunt: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7097.

Vincent