Re: problems order of references with bibtex

[Rob S]

Hi Leo;
Leo Gürtler wrote:
Dear alltogether,
I have problems with the order of references in bibtex. I use Lyx, 
natbib, and dinat 1505.
The problem is, that the order of appearance is wrong (same author, 
different publications of different and the same year).

it should be (see below):
Oldenbürger1981 - 2002
Oldenbürger2004a - 2004e
but it comes as:
Oldenbürger2004a
Oldenbürger2004b
Oldenbürger1981 - 2002
Oldenbürger2004c - 2004d
Thus, 2004a and 2004b are out of order. The same goes for
Oldenbürger et al 1988 - 1992, but it appears as 1992 and then only 1988.
Any suggestions to fix that ??
I used the Latex command
\noopsort{}
within my bib file to solve this. I'm not sure where I found how to do 
this but a quick google for noopsort bibtex produces a lot of pages 
which should help.

I needed to use it to force the order of these two references:
@article{Ward:1,
	year = {1999},
	volume = {26},
	pages = {561-570},
	author = {Ingrid A. K. Ward and Piers Larcombe and P. 		 
{\noopsort{a}}Veth},
	title = {A new process-based Model for Wreck Site Formation},
	journal = {Journal of Archaeological Science}
}

@article{Ward:2,
	volume = {26},
	author = {Ingrid A. K. Ward and Piers Larcombe and Richard Brinkman and 
Robert M. Carter},
	pages = {41-53},
	number = {1},
	journal = {Journal of Field Archaeology},
	title = {Sedimentary Processes and the {P}andora Wreck, {G}reat Barrier 
Reef, {A}ustrailia.},
	year = {1999}
}

In this instance the bibtex sort order was based on the third authors 
Surname. However, the noopsort command prevents this.

Sorry to be so vague but I hope that gives you at least a pointer in the 
right direction.

Rob S
Thanks a lot,
best wishes
Leo
--
R D Saunders
Hydraulic Research Group
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of Southampton
UK

Re: Uses for LyX

[Helge Hafting]

On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 02:23:31PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
 Thanks to Rich and others for their comments.
 
 I'm a chemist and am currently interim chair of a chemistry department at a
 medium-sized, state supported university.  LyX intrigues me as it seems to
 offer the potential of enabling us to assist our students in writing their
 theses and dissertations.  It's difficult enough to write the content of an
 acceptable thesis or dissertation in chemistry, and having the additional
 challenges of formatting offloaded would be a great help to all.  If we had
 a document class that meets the university's formatting requirements, then
 both the students and the students' graduate faculty committees would be
 relieved of the continual format editing that inevitably falls to them.  
 
 However I doubt if any students or faculty would avail themselves of LyX if
 they were faced with the requirement that they learn LaTex programming.
 When the additional learning curve for incorporating chemical structures is
 added to the mix, the prospects of convincing them to use LyX dims even
 further.
 
 I've searched for dissertation classes (Google, etc.), and have found a few,
 but those I found are either very old (in computer years) or are not
 appropriate for chemistry and/or our university's formatting requirements.
 All would require tweaking.
 
 I dread the possibility of having to write a document class for Lyx, as I am
 new to it all.  However that may be the only way to get the LyX tool in the
 hands of our students.
 
 Are there any chemists on the list that use LyX for theses, dissertations,
 or with American Chemical Society styles?
 
If you have your own special formatting requirements, then a new Lyx document
class is needed.  That may need some work, but the good thing is that
it is a one-time job.  Once you have a class then everybody can use it - 
without any latex tweaks at all.

If you don't want to write a lyx class yourself, consider giving the job
to a student.  Perhaps you have some that are interested in typography
and computers?

Helge Hafting 

Re: Uses for LyX

[Kenward Vaughan]

Hi Jack,

On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 02:23:31PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
 Thanks to Rich and others for their comments.
 
 I'm a chemist and am currently interim chair of a chemistry department at a
 medium-sized, state supported university.  LyX intrigues me as it seems to
 offer the potential of enabling us to assist our students in writing their
 theses and dissertations.  It's difficult enough to write the content of an
...

I unfortunately do not have these issues at my community college (or is
that just fortunate?? ;-) and so cannot help you directly.  

I _do_ use LyX for virtually everything I create for my chemistry
classes.  In particular, all exams and lab handouts, including those
for organic.


 However I doubt if any students or faculty would avail themselves of LyX if
 they were faced with the requirement that they learn LaTex programming.

My own experience has been that this is minimal outside the issue of a
document class, and is well addressed by the resources available
through the LyX site (including this excellent email list).

An FAQ list could also be generated by those pioneering its use for
later consumption by the following masses.  :)


 When the additional learning curve for incorporating chemical structures is
 added to the mix, the prospects of convincing them to use LyX dims even
 further.
...

Hmm.  There are several apps available for generating structures that
work well.

While some LaTeX packages do exist which generate drawings directly in
one's document, I have fallen away from them (in part due to poor
maintenance) in favor of simpler solutions such as chemtool or
xdrawchem.  I now use chemtool almost exclusively despite its
simplicity and a few quirks.  Exporting/printing to (e)ps files is
available with these apps (though I haven't tried using the ps files
generated with xdrawchem's print system).

Xfig (the backend for chemtool) fills in nearly all the rest of my
needs.

Incorporating eps figures into LyX documents is not a difficult task.

There is also a cute little app called chemeq which generates LaTeX for
chemical equations (among other things).  I don't use it much as I have
my own style for doing that, but it's there...

Hope this helps,


Kenward
-- 
In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be 
_teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, 
because passing civilization along from one generation to the next 
ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone 
could have. - Lee Iacocca

LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Yousef Raffah]

Hello everyone,

I have just installed (USE=qt emerge lyx) LyX on my Gentoo Linux
with qt as a configure option in order to run it with the QT
interface, at least that is what I think! Unfortunately, whenever I
run lyx from the command line, it runs with the XForms interface, not
with QT!
I tried to dig the man page, mail archives, gentoo forums
(http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=273397) but couldn't get an
answer! I don't know how to run LyX with QT interface.
Another thing, not sure if it is related or not, when I go to
EditPreferencesLook  FeelUser Interface I have only one option,
default that is. Is it normal or should I have something related to
qt like, qt-interface or something?

Thanks in advance

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Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

[Helge Hafting]

On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 08:11:22PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
 I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months.  I was intrigued by
 LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program.  However most of the activity I've seen
 on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
 changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
 want.  To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
 years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
 output.
 
 Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
 tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?
 
 Thanks.

I use lyx for anything I need to write on paper or PDF.  I can do lots of
tweaks but rarely have to.  I have made a couple of document classes
that fits my work.  I don't use lyx for email, plain text is the format
of choice for that.  I don't want to bother others by forcing them to start some
extra program to read mail - all mail readers support text directly.

Note that good formatting in all cases, and satisfying all sorts of layout
constraints _is_ hard - no program can help that.  Lyx can come further,
but the task itself is complicated so even a full-featured future lyx
will force beginners to ask for help.  Today, the hard stuff lies in latex
commands and such.  With support for everything built-in, the problem will be
which of thousands of menus to use to get some specific effect.

You can see this already, not all the answers here deal in latex commands.
Some go along the lines of insert a float with such and such options,
then use insert-special char-hfill in order to . . .

Those that want to play with advanced typography will need to learn a lot,
even if they don't want to learn latex.  But predefined classes usually gets
the work done.


Helge Hafting

Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
I have just installed (USE=qt emerge lyx) LyX on my Gentoo Linux with qt
as a configure option in order to run it with the QT interface, at least
that is what I think! Unfortunately, whenever I run lyx from the command
line, it runs with the XForms interface, not with QT! I tried to dig the
man page, mail archives, gentoo forums
Yousef,
  Start over again, but for the first step use:
./configure --with-frontend=qt
then continue with make  make install. From what you write above it
appears that gentoo provides only the xforms UI. Building it on your system
is extremely simple and -- depending on your processor speed and amount of
RAM -- provides a good excuse for coffee or a meal. :-) Or, just open
another desktop and work away.
sure if it is related or not, when I go to EditPreferencesLook 
FeelUser Interface I have only one option, default that is. Is it
normal or should I have something related to qt like, qt-interface or
something?
  The UI I have on this box (Slackware-10.0, LyX-1.3.5) is:
/usr/local/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
However, for the bind file I have: /home/rshepard/.lyx/bind/cua.bind
You can tweak cua.bind or emacs.bind, or copy one to modify key bindings and
call it, for example, my.bind.
  Now, you can also run 'qtconfig' and that will allow you to play with the
window dressing for all of your qt apps. Of course, it won't apply to lyx
until you re-build it with that front end.
HTH,
Rich
--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Yousef Raffah]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:30:15 -0800 (PST), Rich Shepard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
 
  I have just installed (USE=qt emerge lyx) LyX on my Gentoo Linux with qt
  as a configure option in order to run it with the QT interface, at least
  that is what I think! Unfortunately, whenever I run lyx from the command
  line, it runs with the XForms interface, not with QT! I tried to dig the
  man page, mail archives, gentoo forums
 
 Yousef,
 
Start over again, but for the first step use:
 ./configure --with-frontend=qt
 
 then continue with make  make install. From what you write above it
 appears that gentoo provides only the xforms UI. Building it on your system
 is extremely simple and -- depending on your processor speed and amount of
 RAM -- provides a good excuse for coffee or a meal. :-) Or, just open
 another desktop and work away.
 
Hello Dr. Richard,

Thanks for your reply first of all.
In Gentoo, USE=qt is exactly like saying ./configure --with-frontend=qt
This means my lyx was built --with-frontend=qt
Does the QT interface requires running a different binary than lyx,
like lyx-qt for example or something similar?

  sure if it is related or not, when I go to EditPreferencesLook 
  FeelUser Interface I have only one option, default that is. Is it
  normal or should I have something related to qt like, qt-interface or
  something?
 
The UI I have on this box (Slackware-10.0, LyX-1.3.5) is:
 /usr/local/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
 
well I have the same file under:
/usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
But does it relate to using XForms instead of QT interface?
Forgive me but I'm totally n00b to LyX, LaTeX and TeX! :)

 However, for the bind file I have: /home/rshepard/.lyx/bind/cua.bind
 You can tweak cua.bind or emacs.bind, or copy one to modify key bindings and
 call it, for example, my.bind.
 
I don't have anything under ~/.lyx/bind/

Now, you can also run 'qtconfig' and that will allow you to play with the
 window dressing for all of your qt apps. Of course, it won't apply to lyx
 until you re-build it with that front end.
 
I guess I should keep this option for later but thanks  a lot for
refering to it :)

-- 
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Sincerely,
Yousef Raffah
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Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
Thanks for your reply first of all. In Gentoo, USE=qt is exactly like
saying ./configure --with-frontend=qt This means my lyx was built
--with-frontend=qt Does the QT interface requires running a different
binary than lyx, like lyx-qt for example or something similar?
Yousef,
  No. It should run /usr/local/bin/lyx. Perhaps there is a glitch with the
gentoo build script. Or, ... do you have the latest qt installed on your
system? If it's not present then the build may use xforms.
  Do you have an output file that shows the results of the configuration and
build steps? If so, look to see that the configuration found everything it
needed. I've not used gentoo so I don't know the steps involved.
well I have the same file under:
/usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
But does it relate to using XForms instead of QT interface?
  Nope. It contains the menu and toolbar contents. It's a text file so you
can look at the contents with any text editor.
Forgive me but I'm totally n00b to LyX, LaTeX and TeX! :)
  No problem! We were all new to it at some time. Your problem with the
wrong interface is a configuration error so that's where to start looking.
I don't have anything under ~/.lyx/bind/
  You'll need to copy one of the defaults to there. In my case they're
located at:
/usr/local/lyx-1.3.5/lib/bind/cua.bind
/usr/local/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind
  Apparently gentoo installs applications in /usr rather than /usr/local so
look there.
Rich
--
Dr. Richard B. Shepard, President
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: spacing

[Subir Singh Lamba]

 
 Hi,
 
  While writing a documents in lyx I am facing a strange problem of space
 between the text and the mathematical equations. At some places the
 space is more than normal. I have removed all the spaces after and before
 the math dsiplay. The space use to be the source of abnormal space
 between the text and equations but not in this case.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Subir

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not 
have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson or B. Franklin or 
both...)

Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Yousef Raffah]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:22:20 -0800 (PST), Rich Shepard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
 
  Thanks for your reply first of all. In Gentoo, USE=qt is exactly like
  saying ./configure --with-frontend=qt This means my lyx was built
  --with-frontend=qt Does the QT interface requires running a different
  binary than lyx, like lyx-qt for example or something similar?
 
 Yousef,
 
No. It should run /usr/local/bin/lyx. Perhaps there is a glitch with the
 gentoo build script. Or, ... do you have the latest qt installed on your
 system? If it's not present then the build may use xforms.
 
Dear Dr. Richard,

Yes I have the latest QT installed, I'm running different QT
applications such as K3b for example!

Do you have an output file that shows the results of the configuration and
 build steps? If so, look to see that the configuration found everything it
 needed. I've not used gentoo so I don't know the steps involved.
 
no I don't have one, or maybe I don't know where to look for it!

  Forgive me but I'm totally n00b to LyX, LaTeX and TeX! :)
 
No problem! We were all new to it at some time. Your problem with the
 wrong interface is a configuration error so that's where to start looking.
 
  I don't have anything under ~/.lyx/bind/
 
You'll need to copy one of the defaults to there. In my case they're
 located at:
 
 /usr/local/lyx-1.3.5/lib/bind/cua.bind
 /usr/local/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind
 
Apparently gentoo installs applications in /usr rather than /usr/local so
 look there.
 
I copied cua.bind from /usr/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind to ~/.lyx/bind/
I believe gentoo installs it under /usr/share/lyx but again that
shouldn't make a difference with the QT interface :(
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Sincerely,
Yousef Raffah
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Re: problems order of references with bibtex

[Rob S]

Hi Leo;
Leo Gürtler wrote:
Dear alltogether,
I have problems with the order of references in bibtex. I use Lyx, 
natbib, and dinat 1505.
The problem is, that the order of appearance is wrong (same author, 
different publications of different and the same year).

it should be (see below):
Oldenbürger1981 - 2002
Oldenbürger2004a - 2004e
but it comes as:
Oldenbürger2004a
Oldenbürger2004b
Oldenbürger1981 - 2002
Oldenbürger2004c - 2004d
Thus, 2004a and 2004b are out of order. The same goes for
Oldenbürger et al 1988 - 1992, but it appears as 1992 and then only 1988.
Any suggestions to fix that ??
I used the Latex command
\noopsort{}
within my bib file to solve this. I'm not sure where I found how to do 
this but a quick google for noopsort bibtex produces a lot of pages 
which should help.

I needed to use it to force the order of these two references:
@article{Ward:1,
	year = {1999},
	volume = {26},
	pages = {561-570},
	author = {Ingrid A. K. Ward and Piers Larcombe and P. 		 
{\noopsort{a}}Veth},
	title = {A new process-based Model for Wreck Site Formation},
	journal = {Journal of Archaeological Science}
}

@article{Ward:2,
	volume = {26},
	author = {Ingrid A. K. Ward and Piers Larcombe and Richard Brinkman and 
Robert M. Carter},
	pages = {41-53},
	number = {1},
	journal = {Journal of Field Archaeology},
	title = {Sedimentary Processes and the {P}andora Wreck, {G}reat Barrier 
Reef, {A}ustrailia.},
	year = {1999}
}

In this instance the bibtex sort order was based on the third authors 
Surname. However, the noopsort command prevents this.

Sorry to be so vague but I hope that gives you at least a pointer in the 
right direction.

Rob S
Thanks a lot,
best wishes
Leo
--
R D Saunders
Hydraulic Research Group
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of Southampton
UK

Re: Uses for LyX

[Helge Hafting]

On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 02:23:31PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
 Thanks to Rich and others for their comments.
 
 I'm a chemist and am currently interim chair of a chemistry department at a
 medium-sized, state supported university.  LyX intrigues me as it seems to
 offer the potential of enabling us to assist our students in writing their
 theses and dissertations.  It's difficult enough to write the content of an
 acceptable thesis or dissertation in chemistry, and having the additional
 challenges of formatting offloaded would be a great help to all.  If we had
 a document class that meets the university's formatting requirements, then
 both the students and the students' graduate faculty committees would be
 relieved of the continual format editing that inevitably falls to them.  
 
 However I doubt if any students or faculty would avail themselves of LyX if
 they were faced with the requirement that they learn LaTex programming.
 When the additional learning curve for incorporating chemical structures is
 added to the mix, the prospects of convincing them to use LyX dims even
 further.
 
 I've searched for dissertation classes (Google, etc.), and have found a few,
 but those I found are either very old (in computer years) or are not
 appropriate for chemistry and/or our university's formatting requirements.
 All would require tweaking.
 
 I dread the possibility of having to write a document class for Lyx, as I am
 new to it all.  However that may be the only way to get the LyX tool in the
 hands of our students.
 
 Are there any chemists on the list that use LyX for theses, dissertations,
 or with American Chemical Society styles?
 
If you have your own special formatting requirements, then a new Lyx document
class is needed.  That may need some work, but the good thing is that
it is a one-time job.  Once you have a class then everybody can use it - 
without any latex tweaks at all.

If you don't want to write a lyx class yourself, consider giving the job
to a student.  Perhaps you have some that are interested in typography
and computers?

Helge Hafting 

Re: Uses for LyX

[Kenward Vaughan]

Hi Jack,

On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 02:23:31PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
 Thanks to Rich and others for their comments.
 
 I'm a chemist and am currently interim chair of a chemistry department at a
 medium-sized, state supported university.  LyX intrigues me as it seems to
 offer the potential of enabling us to assist our students in writing their
 theses and dissertations.  It's difficult enough to write the content of an
...

I unfortunately do not have these issues at my community college (or is
that just fortunate?? ;-) and so cannot help you directly.  

I _do_ use LyX for virtually everything I create for my chemistry
classes.  In particular, all exams and lab handouts, including those
for organic.


 However I doubt if any students or faculty would avail themselves of LyX if
 they were faced with the requirement that they learn LaTex programming.

My own experience has been that this is minimal outside the issue of a
document class, and is well addressed by the resources available
through the LyX site (including this excellent email list).

An FAQ list could also be generated by those pioneering its use for
later consumption by the following masses.  :)


 When the additional learning curve for incorporating chemical structures is
 added to the mix, the prospects of convincing them to use LyX dims even
 further.
...

Hmm.  There are several apps available for generating structures that
work well.

While some LaTeX packages do exist which generate drawings directly in
one's document, I have fallen away from them (in part due to poor
maintenance) in favor of simpler solutions such as chemtool or
xdrawchem.  I now use chemtool almost exclusively despite its
simplicity and a few quirks.  Exporting/printing to (e)ps files is
available with these apps (though I haven't tried using the ps files
generated with xdrawchem's print system).

Xfig (the backend for chemtool) fills in nearly all the rest of my
needs.

Incorporating eps figures into LyX documents is not a difficult task.

There is also a cute little app called chemeq which generates LaTeX for
chemical equations (among other things).  I don't use it much as I have
my own style for doing that, but it's there...

Hope this helps,


Kenward
-- 
In a completely rational society, the best of us would aspire to be 
_teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, 
because passing civilization along from one generation to the next 
ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone 
could have. - Lee Iacocca

LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Yousef Raffah]

Hello everyone,

I have just installed (USE=qt emerge lyx) LyX on my Gentoo Linux
with qt as a configure option in order to run it with the QT
interface, at least that is what I think! Unfortunately, whenever I
run lyx from the command line, it runs with the XForms interface, not
with QT!
I tried to dig the man page, mail archives, gentoo forums
(http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=273397) but couldn't get an
answer! I don't know how to run LyX with QT interface.
Another thing, not sure if it is related or not, when I go to
EditPreferencesLook  FeelUser Interface I have only one option,
default that is. Is it normal or should I have something related to
qt like, qt-interface or something?

Thanks in advance

-- 
=
Sincerely,
Yousef Raffah
Visit my personal blog@ http://yousef.raffah.com

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Firefox!/a

Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

[Helge Hafting]

On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 08:11:22PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
 I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months.  I was intrigued by
 LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program.  However most of the activity I've seen
 on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
 changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
 want.  To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
 years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
 output.
 
 Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
 tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?
 
 Thanks.

I use lyx for anything I need to write on paper or PDF.  I can do lots of
tweaks but rarely have to.  I have made a couple of document classes
that fits my work.  I don't use lyx for email, plain text is the format
of choice for that.  I don't want to bother others by forcing them to start some
extra program to read mail - all mail readers support text directly.

Note that good formatting in all cases, and satisfying all sorts of layout
constraints _is_ hard - no program can help that.  Lyx can come further,
but the task itself is complicated so even a full-featured future lyx
will force beginners to ask for help.  Today, the hard stuff lies in latex
commands and such.  With support for everything built-in, the problem will be
which of thousands of menus to use to get some specific effect.

You can see this already, not all the answers here deal in latex commands.
Some go along the lines of insert a float with such and such options,
then use insert-special char-hfill in order to . . .

Those that want to play with advanced typography will need to learn a lot,
even if they don't want to learn latex.  But predefined classes usually gets
the work done.


Helge Hafting

Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
I have just installed (USE=qt emerge lyx) LyX on my Gentoo Linux with qt
as a configure option in order to run it with the QT interface, at least
that is what I think! Unfortunately, whenever I run lyx from the command
line, it runs with the XForms interface, not with QT! I tried to dig the
man page, mail archives, gentoo forums
Yousef,
  Start over again, but for the first step use:
./configure --with-frontend=qt
then continue with make  make install. From what you write above it
appears that gentoo provides only the xforms UI. Building it on your system
is extremely simple and -- depending on your processor speed and amount of
RAM -- provides a good excuse for coffee or a meal. :-) Or, just open
another desktop and work away.
sure if it is related or not, when I go to EditPreferencesLook 
FeelUser Interface I have only one option, default that is. Is it
normal or should I have something related to qt like, qt-interface or
something?
  The UI I have on this box (Slackware-10.0, LyX-1.3.5) is:
/usr/local/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
However, for the bind file I have: /home/rshepard/.lyx/bind/cua.bind
You can tweak cua.bind or emacs.bind, or copy one to modify key bindings and
call it, for example, my.bind.
  Now, you can also run 'qtconfig' and that will allow you to play with the
window dressing for all of your qt apps. Of course, it won't apply to lyx
until you re-build it with that front end.
HTH,
Rich
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Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Yousef Raffah]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:30:15 -0800 (PST), Rich Shepard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
 
  I have just installed (USE=qt emerge lyx) LyX on my Gentoo Linux with qt
  as a configure option in order to run it with the QT interface, at least
  that is what I think! Unfortunately, whenever I run lyx from the command
  line, it runs with the XForms interface, not with QT! I tried to dig the
  man page, mail archives, gentoo forums
 
 Yousef,
 
Start over again, but for the first step use:
 ./configure --with-frontend=qt
 
 then continue with make  make install. From what you write above it
 appears that gentoo provides only the xforms UI. Building it on your system
 is extremely simple and -- depending on your processor speed and amount of
 RAM -- provides a good excuse for coffee or a meal. :-) Or, just open
 another desktop and work away.
 
Hello Dr. Richard,

Thanks for your reply first of all.
In Gentoo, USE=qt is exactly like saying ./configure --with-frontend=qt
This means my lyx was built --with-frontend=qt
Does the QT interface requires running a different binary than lyx,
like lyx-qt for example or something similar?

  sure if it is related or not, when I go to EditPreferencesLook 
  FeelUser Interface I have only one option, default that is. Is it
  normal or should I have something related to qt like, qt-interface or
  something?
 
The UI I have on this box (Slackware-10.0, LyX-1.3.5) is:
 /usr/local/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
 
well I have the same file under:
/usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
But does it relate to using XForms instead of QT interface?
Forgive me but I'm totally n00b to LyX, LaTeX and TeX! :)

 However, for the bind file I have: /home/rshepard/.lyx/bind/cua.bind
 You can tweak cua.bind or emacs.bind, or copy one to modify key bindings and
 call it, for example, my.bind.
 
I don't have anything under ~/.lyx/bind/

Now, you can also run 'qtconfig' and that will allow you to play with the
 window dressing for all of your qt apps. Of course, it won't apply to lyx
 until you re-build it with that front end.
 
I guess I should keep this option for later but thanks  a lot for
refering to it :)

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Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
Thanks for your reply first of all. In Gentoo, USE=qt is exactly like
saying ./configure --with-frontend=qt This means my lyx was built
--with-frontend=qt Does the QT interface requires running a different
binary than lyx, like lyx-qt for example or something similar?
Yousef,
  No. It should run /usr/local/bin/lyx. Perhaps there is a glitch with the
gentoo build script. Or, ... do you have the latest qt installed on your
system? If it's not present then the build may use xforms.
  Do you have an output file that shows the results of the configuration and
build steps? If so, look to see that the configuration found everything it
needed. I've not used gentoo so I don't know the steps involved.
well I have the same file under:
/usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
But does it relate to using XForms instead of QT interface?
  Nope. It contains the menu and toolbar contents. It's a text file so you
can look at the contents with any text editor.
Forgive me but I'm totally n00b to LyX, LaTeX and TeX! :)
  No problem! We were all new to it at some time. Your problem with the
wrong interface is a configuration error so that's where to start looking.
I don't have anything under ~/.lyx/bind/
  You'll need to copy one of the defaults to there. In my case they're
located at:
/usr/local/lyx-1.3.5/lib/bind/cua.bind
/usr/local/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind
  Apparently gentoo installs applications in /usr rather than /usr/local so
look there.
Rich
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Re: spacing

[Subir Singh Lamba]

 
 Hi,
 
  While writing a documents in lyx I am facing a strange problem of space
 between the text and the mathematical equations. At some places the
 space is more than normal. I have removed all the spaces after and before
 the math dsiplay. The space use to be the source of abnormal space
 between the text and equations but not in this case.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Subir

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both...)

Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Yousef Raffah]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:22:20 -0800 (PST), Rich Shepard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
 
  Thanks for your reply first of all. In Gentoo, USE=qt is exactly like
  saying ./configure --with-frontend=qt This means my lyx was built
  --with-frontend=qt Does the QT interface requires running a different
  binary than lyx, like lyx-qt for example or something similar?
 
 Yousef,
 
No. It should run /usr/local/bin/lyx. Perhaps there is a glitch with the
 gentoo build script. Or, ... do you have the latest qt installed on your
 system? If it's not present then the build may use xforms.
 
Dear Dr. Richard,

Yes I have the latest QT installed, I'm running different QT
applications such as K3b for example!

Do you have an output file that shows the results of the configuration and
 build steps? If so, look to see that the configuration found everything it
 needed. I've not used gentoo so I don't know the steps involved.
 
no I don't have one, or maybe I don't know where to look for it!

  Forgive me but I'm totally n00b to LyX, LaTeX and TeX! :)
 
No problem! We were all new to it at some time. Your problem with the
 wrong interface is a configuration error so that's where to start looking.
 
  I don't have anything under ~/.lyx/bind/
 
You'll need to copy one of the defaults to there. In my case they're
 located at:
 
 /usr/local/lyx-1.3.5/lib/bind/cua.bind
 /usr/local/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind
 
Apparently gentoo installs applications in /usr rather than /usr/local so
 look there.
 
I copied cua.bind from /usr/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind to ~/.lyx/bind/
I believe gentoo installs it under /usr/share/lyx but again that
shouldn't make a difference with the QT interface :(
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Re: problems order of references with bibtex

[Rob S]

Hi Leo;
Leo Gürtler wrote:
Dear alltogether,
I have problems with the order of references in bibtex. I use Lyx, 
natbib, and dinat 1505.
The problem is, that the order of appearance is wrong (same author, 
different publications of different and the same year).

it should be (see below):
Oldenbürger1981 -> 2002
Oldenbürger2004a -> 2004e
but it comes as:
Oldenbürger2004a
Oldenbürger2004b
Oldenbürger1981 -> 2002
Oldenbürger2004c -> 2004d
Thus, 2004a and 2004b are out of order. The same goes for
Oldenbürger et al 1988 -> 1992, but it appears as 1992 and then only 1988.
Any suggestions to fix that ??
I used the Latex command
\noopsort{}
within my bib file to solve this. I'm not sure where I found how to do 
this but a quick google for "noopsort bibtex" produces a lot of pages 
which should help.

I needed to use it to force the order of these two references:
@article{Ward:1,
	year = {1999},
	volume = {26},
	pages = {561-570},
	author = {Ingrid A. K. Ward and Piers Larcombe and P. 		 
{\noopsort{a}}Veth},
	title = {A new process-based Model for Wreck Site Formation},
	journal = {Journal of Archaeological Science}
}

@article{Ward:2,
	volume = {26},
	author = {Ingrid A. K. Ward and Piers Larcombe and Richard Brinkman and 
Robert M. Carter},
	pages = {41-53},
	number = {1},
	journal = {Journal of Field Archaeology},
	title = {Sedimentary Processes and the {P}andora Wreck, {G}reat Barrier 
Reef, {A}ustrailia.},
	year = {1999}
}

In this instance the bibtex sort order was based on the third authors 
Surname. However, the noopsort command prevents this.

Sorry to be so vague but I hope that gives you at least a pointer in the 
right direction.

Rob S
Thanks a lot,
best wishes
Leo
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Hydraulic Research Group
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of Southampton
UK

Re: Uses for LyX

[Helge Hafting]

On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 02:23:31PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
> Thanks to Rich and others for their comments.
> 
> I'm a chemist and am currently interim chair of a chemistry department at a
> medium-sized, state supported university.  LyX intrigues me as it seems to
> offer the potential of enabling us to assist our students in writing their
> theses and dissertations.  It's difficult enough to write the content of an
> acceptable thesis or dissertation in chemistry, and having the additional
> challenges of formatting offloaded would be a great help to all.  If we had
> a document class that meets the university's formatting requirements, then
> both the students and the students' graduate faculty committees would be
> relieved of the continual format editing that inevitably falls to them.  
> 
> However I doubt if any students or faculty would avail themselves of LyX if
> they were faced with the requirement that they learn LaTex programming.
> When the additional learning curve for incorporating chemical structures is
> added to the mix, the prospects of convincing them to use LyX dims even
> further.
> 
> I've searched for dissertation classes (Google, etc.), and have found a few,
> but those I found are either very old (in computer years) or are not
> appropriate for chemistry and/or our university's formatting requirements.
> All would require "tweaking".
> 
> I dread the possibility of having to write a document class for Lyx, as I am
> new to it all.  However that may be the only way to get the LyX tool in the
> hands of our students.
> 
> Are there any chemists on the list that use LyX for theses, dissertations,
> or with American Chemical Society styles?
> 
If you have your own special formatting requirements, then a new Lyx document
class is needed.  That may need some work, but the good thing is that
it is a one-time job.  Once you have a class then everybody can use it - 
without any latex tweaks at all.

If you don't want to write a lyx class yourself, consider giving the job
to a student.  Perhaps you have some that are interested in typography
and computers?

Helge Hafting 

Re: Uses for LyX

[Kenward Vaughan]

Hi Jack,

On Thu, Dec 30, 2004 at 02:23:31PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
> Thanks to Rich and others for their comments.
> 
> I'm a chemist and am currently interim chair of a chemistry department at a
> medium-sized, state supported university.  LyX intrigues me as it seems to
> offer the potential of enabling us to assist our students in writing their
> theses and dissertations.  It's difficult enough to write the content of an
...

I unfortunately do not have these issues at my community college (or is
that just fortunate?? ;-) and so cannot help you directly.  

I _do_ use LyX for virtually everything I create for my chemistry
classes.  In particular, all exams and lab handouts, including those
for organic.


> However I doubt if any students or faculty would avail themselves of LyX if
> they were faced with the requirement that they learn LaTex programming.

My own experience has been that this is minimal outside the issue of a
document class, and is well addressed by the resources available
through the LyX site (including this excellent email list).

An FAQ list could also be generated by those pioneering its use for
later consumption by the following masses.  :)


> When the additional learning curve for incorporating chemical structures is
> added to the mix, the prospects of convincing them to use LyX dims even
> further.
...

Hmm.  There are several apps available for generating structures that
work well.

While some LaTeX packages do exist which generate drawings directly in
one's document, I have fallen away from them (in part due to poor
maintenance) in favor of simpler solutions such as chemtool or
xdrawchem.  I now use chemtool almost exclusively despite its
simplicity and a few quirks.  Exporting/printing to (e)ps files is
available with these apps (though I haven't tried using the ps files
generated with xdrawchem's print system).

Xfig (the backend for chemtool) fills in nearly all the rest of my
needs.

Incorporating eps figures into LyX documents is not a difficult task.

There is also a cute little app called chemeq which generates LaTeX for
chemical equations (among other things).  I don't use it much as I have
my own style for doing that, but it's there...

Hope this helps,


Kenward
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_teachers_ and the rest of us would have to settle for something less, 
because passing civilization along from one generation to the next 
ought to be the highest honor and the highest responsibility anyone 
could have. - Lee Iacocca

LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Yousef Raffah]

Hello everyone,

I have just installed (USE="qt" emerge lyx) LyX on my Gentoo Linux
with qt as a configure option in order to run it with the QT
interface, at least that is what I think! Unfortunately, whenever I
run lyx from the command line, it runs with the XForms interface, not
with QT!
I tried to dig the man page, mail archives, gentoo forums
(http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=273397) but couldn't get an
answer! I don't know how to run LyX with QT interface.
Another thing, not sure if it is related or not, when I go to
"Edit>Preferences>Look & Feel>User Interface" I have only one option,
"default" that is. Is it normal or should I have something related to
qt like, "qt-interface" or something?

Thanks in advance

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Re: chapter heading on blank page and too much text in chapter heading

[Helge Hafting]

On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 08:11:22PM -0600, Jack T. Gill wrote:
> I've been monitoring this list for a couple of months.  I was intrigued by
> LyX and it being a WYSIWYM program.  However most of the activity I've seen
> on this list seems to be from folks having problems tweaking LyX, i.e.,
> changing the settings or adding ERT to reformat the output to what they
> want.  To me that's no longer WYSIWYM, but seems to be what I've done for
> years with OpenOffice or in Word---typing the content and formatting the
> output.
> 
> Does anyone use LyX right out of the box (or download) without all the
> tweaking?  If so, to what use are you putting it?
> 
> Thanks.

I use lyx for anything I need to write on paper or PDF.  I can do lots of
tweaks but rarely have to.  I have made a couple of document classes
that fits my work.  I don't use lyx for email, plain text is the format
of choice for that.  I don't want to bother others by forcing them to start some
extra program to read mail - all mail readers support text directly.

Note that good formatting in all cases, and satisfying all sorts of layout
constraints _is_ hard - no program can help that.  Lyx can come further,
but the task itself is complicated so even a full-featured future lyx
will force beginners to ask for help.  Today, the hard stuff lies in latex
commands and such.  With support for everything built-in, the problem will be
which of thousands of menus to use to get some specific effect.

You can see this already, not all the answers here deal in latex commands.
Some go along the lines of "insert a float with such and such options,
then use insert->special char->hfill in order to . . ."

Those that want to play with advanced typography will need to learn a lot,
even if they don't want to learn latex.  But predefined classes usually gets
the work done.


Helge Hafting

Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
I have just installed (USE="qt" emerge lyx) LyX on my Gentoo Linux with qt
as a configure option in order to run it with the QT interface, at least
that is what I think! Unfortunately, whenever I run lyx from the command
line, it runs with the XForms interface, not with QT! I tried to dig the
man page, mail archives, gentoo forums
Yousef,
  Start over again, but for the first step use:
./configure --with-frontend=qt
then continue with make && make install. From what you write above it
appears that gentoo provides only the xforms UI. Building it on your system
is extremely simple and -- depending on your processor speed and amount of
RAM -- provides a good excuse for coffee or a meal. :-) Or, just open
another desktop and work away.
sure if it is related or not, when I go to "Edit>Preferences>Look &
Feel>User Interface" I have only one option, "default" that is. Is it
normal or should I have something related to qt like, "qt-interface" or
something?
  The UI I have on this box (Slackware-10.0, LyX-1.3.5) is:
/usr/local/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
However, for the bind file I have: /home/rshepard/.lyx/bind/cua.bind
You can tweak cua.bind or emacs.bind, or copy one to modify key bindings and
call it, for example, my.bind.
  Now, you can also run 'qtconfig' and that will allow you to play with the
window dressing for all of your qt apps. Of course, it won't apply to lyx
until you re-build it with that front end.
HTH,
Rich
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Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Yousef Raffah]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:30:15 -0800 (PST), Rich Shepard
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
> 
> > I have just installed (USE="qt" emerge lyx) LyX on my Gentoo Linux with qt
> > as a configure option in order to run it with the QT interface, at least
> > that is what I think! Unfortunately, whenever I run lyx from the command
> > line, it runs with the XForms interface, not with QT! I tried to dig the
> > man page, mail archives, gentoo forums
> 
> Yousef,
> 
>Start over again, but for the first step use:
> ./configure --with-frontend=qt
> 
> then continue with make && make install. From what you write above it
> appears that gentoo provides only the xforms UI. Building it on your system
> is extremely simple and -- depending on your processor speed and amount of
> RAM -- provides a good excuse for coffee or a meal. :-) Or, just open
> another desktop and work away.
> 
Hello Dr. Richard,

Thanks for your reply first of all.
In Gentoo, USE="qt" is exactly like saying ./configure --with-frontend=qt
This means my lyx was built --with-frontend=qt
Does the QT interface requires running a different binary than "lyx",
like "lyx-qt" for example or something similar?

> > sure if it is related or not, when I go to "Edit>Preferences>Look &
> > Feel>User Interface" I have only one option, "default" that is. Is it
> > normal or should I have something related to qt like, "qt-interface" or
> > something?
> 
>The UI I have on this box (Slackware-10.0, LyX-1.3.5) is:
> /usr/local/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
> 
well I have the same file under:
/usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
But does it relate to using XForms instead of QT interface?
Forgive me but I'm totally n00b to LyX, LaTeX and TeX! :)

> However, for the bind file I have: /home/rshepard/.lyx/bind/cua.bind
> You can tweak cua.bind or emacs.bind, or copy one to modify key bindings and
> call it, for example, my.bind.
> 
I don't have anything under ~/.lyx/bind/

>Now, you can also run 'qtconfig' and that will allow you to play with the
> window dressing for all of your qt apps. Of course, it won't apply to lyx
> until you re-build it with that front end.
> 
I guess I should keep this option for later but thanks  a lot for
refering to it :)

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Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Rich Shepard]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
Thanks for your reply first of all. In Gentoo, USE="qt" is exactly like
saying ./configure --with-frontend=qt This means my lyx was built
--with-frontend=qt Does the QT interface requires running a different
binary than "lyx", like "lyx-qt" for example or something similar?
Yousef,
  No. It should run /usr/local/bin/lyx. Perhaps there is a glitch with the
gentoo build script. Or, ... do you have the latest qt installed on your
system? If it's not present then the build may use xforms.
  Do you have an output file that shows the results of the configuration and
build steps? If so, look to see that the configuration found everything it
needed. I've not used gentoo so I don't know the steps involved.
well I have the same file under:
/usr/share/lyx/ui/default.ui
But does it relate to using XForms instead of QT interface?
  Nope. It contains the menu and toolbar contents. It's a text file so you
can look at the contents with any text editor.
Forgive me but I'm totally n00b to LyX, LaTeX and TeX! :)
  No problem! We were all new to it at some time. Your problem with the
wrong interface is a configuration error so that's where to start looking.
I don't have anything under ~/.lyx/bind/
  You'll need to copy one of the defaults to there. In my case they're
located at:
/usr/local/lyx-1.3.5/lib/bind/cua.bind
/usr/local/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind
  Apparently gentoo installs applications in /usr rather than /usr/local so
look there.
Rich
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Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc. (TM)
   Voice: 503-667-4517   Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: spacing

[Subir Singh Lamba]

 
 Hi,
 
  While writing a documents in lyx I am facing a strange problem of space
 between the text and the mathematical equations. At some places the
 space is more than normal. I have removed all the spaces after and before
 the "math dsiplay". The "space" use to be the source of abnormal space
 between the text and equations but not in this case.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Subir

-- 
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not 
have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson or B. Franklin or 
both...)

Re: LyX is not running with QT interface!

[Yousef Raffah]

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:22:20 -0800 (PST), Rich Shepard
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005, Yousef Raffah wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for your reply first of all. In Gentoo, USE="qt" is exactly like
> > saying ./configure --with-frontend=qt This means my lyx was built
> > --with-frontend=qt Does the QT interface requires running a different
> > binary than "lyx", like "lyx-qt" for example or something similar?
> 
> Yousef,
> 
>No. It should run /usr/local/bin/lyx. Perhaps there is a glitch with the
> gentoo build script. Or, ... do you have the latest qt installed on your
> system? If it's not present then the build may use xforms.
> 
Dear Dr. Richard,

Yes I have the latest QT installed, I'm running different QT
applications such as K3b for example!

>Do you have an output file that shows the results of the configuration and
> build steps? If so, look to see that the configuration found everything it
> needed. I've not used gentoo so I don't know the steps involved.
> 
no I don't have one, or maybe I don't know where to look for it!

> > Forgive me but I'm totally n00b to LyX, LaTeX and TeX! :)
> 
>No problem! We were all new to it at some time. Your problem with the
> wrong interface is a configuration error so that's where to start looking.
> 
> > I don't have anything under ~/.lyx/bind/
> 
>You'll need to copy one of the defaults to there. In my case they're
> located at:
> 
> /usr/local/lyx-1.3.5/lib/bind/cua.bind
> /usr/local/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind
> 
>Apparently gentoo installs applications in /usr rather than /usr/local so
> look there.
> 
I copied cua.bind from /usr/share/lyx/bind/cua.bind to ~/.lyx/bind/
I believe gentoo installs it under /usr/share/lyx but again that
shouldn't make a difference with the QT interface :(
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Yousef Raffah
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