Transparency handling

[Diego Queiroz]

Hello.

I'm not sure if this is an old issue or not, but I was not able to find
some thread about this subject.

When I paste a picture in LyX (from the clipboard), it shows a dialog
asking where to save that picture and automatically inserts it on the
document.
This is OK and very useful, but if the picture has transparency (eg. a PNG
image with transparent background), all the transparency turns black.

The interesting part is that, if I save the picture somewhere else (without
using LyX), and then load the picture as usual on the document, this
problem doesn't occur. That is, all the transparency is handled as expected.

Is this a bug? Or is there a way to workaround this?


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Transparency handling

[Diego Queiroz]

Hello.

I'm not sure if this is an old issue or not, but I was not able to find
some thread about this subject.

When I paste a picture in LyX (from the clipboard), it shows a dialog
asking where to save that picture and automatically inserts it on the
document.
This is OK and very useful, but if the picture has transparency (eg. a PNG
image with transparent background), all the transparency turns black.

The interesting part is that, if I save the picture somewhere else (without
using LyX), and then load the picture as usual on the document, this
problem doesn't occur. That is, all the transparency is handled as expected.

Is this a bug? Or is there a way to workaround this?


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Transparency handling

[Diego Queiroz]

Hello.

I'm not sure if this is an old issue or not, but I was not able to find
some thread about this subject.

When I paste a picture in LyX (from the clipboard), it shows a dialog
asking where to save that picture and automatically inserts it on the
document.
This is OK and very useful, but if the picture has transparency (eg. a PNG
image with transparent background), all the transparency turns black.

The interesting part is that, if I save the picture somewhere else (without
using LyX), and then load the picture as usual on the document, this
problem doesn't occur. That is, all the transparency is handled as expected.

Is this a bug? Or is there a way to workaround this?


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Sans-serif math font

[Diego Queiroz]

Hi folks.

I want to change the font in Math environment to Sans-serif, but when I
change the Font Default Family in a document (thru Document  Settings... 
Fonts) the font used in Math environment is not changed.
Currently, is there a way to change the Math font to Sans-serif in LyX?

I know that I can do that including \usepackage{sfmath} to the preamble, but
I want to know if something similiar can be done using LyX User Interface,
without ERT.


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Format Output of Track Changes

[Diego Queiroz]

Thank you guys.

---
Diego Queiroz

Sans-serif math font

[Diego Queiroz]

Hi folks.

I want to change the font in Math environment to Sans-serif, but when I
change the Font Default Family in a document (thru Document  Settings... 
Fonts) the font used in Math environment is not changed.
Currently, is there a way to change the Math font to Sans-serif in LyX?

I know that I can do that including \usepackage{sfmath} to the preamble, but
I want to know if something similiar can be done using LyX User Interface,
without ERT.


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Format Output of Track Changes

[Diego Queiroz]

Thank you guys.

---
Diego Queiroz

Sans-serif math font

[Diego Queiroz]

Hi folks.

I want to change the font in Math environment to Sans-serif, but when I
change the Font Default Family in a document (thru Document > Settings... >
Fonts) the font used in Math environment is not changed.
Currently, is there a way to change the Math font to Sans-serif in LyX?

I know that I can do that including \usepackage{sfmath} to the preamble, but
I want to know if something similiar can be done using LyX User Interface,
without ERT.


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Format Output of Track Changes

[Diego Queiroz]

Thank you guys.

---
Diego Queiroz

Format Output of Track Changes

[Diego Queiroz]

Hello.

Is there a way to format the output of Track Changes?
I mean, currently the text is marked with blue color, but I want to print
the document in a BW printer, so it would be nice if I could underline the
text.


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Format Output of Track Changes

[Diego Queiroz]

Hello.

Is there a way to format the output of Track Changes?
I mean, currently the text is marked with blue color, but I want to print
the document in a BW printer, so it would be nice if I could underline the
text.


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Format Output of Track Changes

[Diego Queiroz]

Hello.

Is there a way to format the output of Track Changes?
I mean, currently the text is marked with blue color, but I want to print
the document in a B printer, so it would be nice if I could underline the
text.


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: PDF commenting enabled

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Michael Joyner mjoy...@vbservices.netwrote:

 The commenting restriction is strictly because of the PDF generator.
 If you are using a software that can create commentable PDF's from a PS
 file, the result you create should be commentable.


 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Thomas thomas.tri...@cantab.net wrote:

 Hi,

 I understand it is not possible to create PDFs with Lyx that allow
 commenting by others.

 My question is whether this is still true when I use Lyx to get the
 postscript file and distill the file myself?

 Thanks,

 Thomas


 --
 ---

- Learn to speak Cherokee: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/
- Cherokee Language Help BBS/Chat:
http://www.cherokeelessons.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6
- Cherokee Lessons PDF made with: http://www.lyx.org/



Thomas, Michael is right.

LyX does not insert any kind of restriction in the PDF.
If you are not able to comment in the PDF, this is because your PDF
reader/generator doesn't allow you to do so (Acrobat Reader?).

About the file format, this doesn't really matter.
If you are dealing with PS/PDF/whatever, the restriction resides with the
software that is generating the comments, not with the file itself.

Adobe Acrobat X (not Pro, the last free version) allows you to insert
comments in the PDF. I just tested myself and I am able to insert comments
on files generated by LyX (pdflatex) as well. So, if you're using it Adobe
Acrobat, just check if you are using the last version, older versions
doesn't allow you to insert comments without pay.


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: suggestion: searchbar for insert special character

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tried to insert a special character ½, and found it difficult to locate.
  I
 use kcharselect (from kde) to find it.  It has a search bar.  Just type in
 the
 term 'half', and it's the first thing shown (on my machine).

 My suggestion is add a searchbar to the insert special character.

 BTW, I can use kcharselect to locate a unicode character.  But, I don't
 think it
 would generally work to just paste in a unicode character to a LaTeX
 document,
 correct?


Usually, you can freely copy/paste some unicode chars to/from LyX (specially
symbols).
LyX automatically inserts all necessary packages and converts the char to
the correspondent LaTeX code.

To check, just try to copy/paste your ½ character to a new LyX document
and look to the source.
LyX includes the textcomp package and use the command \textonehalf{}.

Also, a good hint to search for unknown symbols in LaTeX is to use a image
classificator (like this one http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html).


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: PDF commenting enabled

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Michael Joyner mjoy...@vbservices.netwrote:

 The commenting restriction is strictly because of the PDF generator.
 If you are using a software that can create commentable PDF's from a PS
 file, the result you create should be commentable.


 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Thomas thomas.tri...@cantab.net wrote:

 Hi,

 I understand it is not possible to create PDFs with Lyx that allow
 commenting by others.

 My question is whether this is still true when I use Lyx to get the
 postscript file and distill the file myself?

 Thanks,

 Thomas


 --
 ---

- Learn to speak Cherokee: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/
- Cherokee Language Help BBS/Chat:
http://www.cherokeelessons.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6
- Cherokee Lessons PDF made with: http://www.lyx.org/



Thomas, Michael is right.

LyX does not insert any kind of restriction in the PDF.
If you are not able to comment in the PDF, this is because your PDF
reader/generator doesn't allow you to do so (Acrobat Reader?).

About the file format, this doesn't really matter.
If you are dealing with PS/PDF/whatever, the restriction resides with the
software that is generating the comments, not with the file itself.

Adobe Acrobat X (not Pro, the last free version) allows you to insert
comments in the PDF. I just tested myself and I am able to insert comments
on files generated by LyX (pdflatex) as well. So, if you're using it Adobe
Acrobat, just check if you are using the last version, older versions
doesn't allow you to insert comments without pay.


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: suggestion: searchbar for insert special character

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Neal Becker ndbeck...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tried to insert a special character ½, and found it difficult to locate.
  I
 use kcharselect (from kde) to find it.  It has a search bar.  Just type in
 the
 term 'half', and it's the first thing shown (on my machine).

 My suggestion is add a searchbar to the insert special character.

 BTW, I can use kcharselect to locate a unicode character.  But, I don't
 think it
 would generally work to just paste in a unicode character to a LaTeX
 document,
 correct?


Usually, you can freely copy/paste some unicode chars to/from LyX (specially
symbols).
LyX automatically inserts all necessary packages and converts the char to
the correspondent LaTeX code.

To check, just try to copy/paste your ½ character to a new LyX document
and look to the source.
LyX includes the textcomp package and use the command \textonehalf{}.

Also, a good hint to search for unknown symbols in LaTeX is to use a image
classificator (like this one http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html).


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: PDF commenting enabled

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Michael Joyner <mjoy...@vbservices.net>wrote:

> The commenting restriction is strictly because of the PDF generator.
> If you are using a software that can create commentable PDF's from a PS
> file, the result you create should be commentable.
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Thomas <thomas.tri...@cantab.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I understand it is not possible to create PDFs with Lyx that allow
>> commenting by others.
>>
>> My question is whether this is still true when I use Lyx to get the
>> postscript file and distill the file myself?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>
> --
> ---
>
>- Learn to speak Cherokee: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/
>- Cherokee Language Help BBS/Chat:
>http://www.cherokeelessons.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6
>- Cherokee Lessons PDF made with: http://www.lyx.org/
>
>
>
Thomas, Michael is right.

LyX does not insert any kind of restriction in the PDF.
If you are not able to comment in the PDF, this is because your PDF
reader/generator doesn't allow you to do so (Acrobat Reader?).

About the file format, this doesn't really matter.
If you are dealing with PS/PDF/whatever, the restriction resides with the
software that is generating the comments, not with the file itself.

Adobe Acrobat X (not Pro, the last free version) allows you to insert
comments in the PDF. I just tested myself and I am able to insert comments
on files generated by LyX (pdflatex) as well. So, if you're using it Adobe
Acrobat, just check if you are using the last version, older versions
doesn't allow you to insert comments without pay.


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: suggestion: searchbar for insert special character

[Diego Queiroz]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Neal Becker <ndbeck...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried to insert a special character ½, and found it difficult to locate.
>  I
> use kcharselect (from kde) to find it.  It has a search bar.  Just type in
> the
> term 'half', and it's the first thing shown (on my machine).
>
> My suggestion is add a searchbar to the insert special character.
>
> BTW, I can use kcharselect to locate a unicode character.  But, I don't
> think it
> would generally work to just paste in a unicode character to a LaTeX
> document,
> correct?
>
>
Usually, you can freely copy/paste some unicode chars to/from LyX (specially
symbols).
LyX automatically inserts all necessary packages and converts the char to
the correspondent LaTeX code.

To check, just try to copy/paste your "½" character to a new LyX document
and look to the source.
LyX includes the textcomp package and use the command \textonehalf{}.

Also, a good hint to search for unknown symbols in LaTeX is to use a image
classificator (like this one http://detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html).


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Author year in text citation

[Diego Queiroz]

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Thomas thomas.tri...@cantab.net wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am using Lxy 2.0 under Windows and I am using the Firefox Zotero plug in
 for my bibliography.

 I have the following problem.

 When trying to format in text citations as Author (Year) which I can
 choose right clicking the citation in Lyx the PDF (pdflatex) produces
 (author?) followed by the reference number in brackets.

 Citation style is Natbib and generator is bibtex.

 I tried various approaches suggested online but nothing works.
 Unfortunately, I am not even sure which of the many suggestions apply to my
 problem (if any).

 Any pointers are much appreciated!

 Thomas


Thomas,

I don't remember exactly why this happens.
But AFAICR, this is because you did not select a proper style for your
bibliography that supports Author Year citations.

I don't know what style you're using, but you can try to select another one,
like plainnat or apalike.
If I'm not wrong, the plain style (which is the LyX default), does not
support it.

If you're not sure what I am talking about, just select Insert  List / TOC
 BibTeX Bibloography..., in that window you are able to select your *.bib
database and a style (*.bst) to use.


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Author year in text citation

[Diego Queiroz]

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Thomas thomas.tri...@cantab.net wrote:

 Dear all,

 I am using Lxy 2.0 under Windows and I am using the Firefox Zotero plug in
 for my bibliography.

 I have the following problem.

 When trying to format in text citations as Author (Year) which I can
 choose right clicking the citation in Lyx the PDF (pdflatex) produces
 (author?) followed by the reference number in brackets.

 Citation style is Natbib and generator is bibtex.

 I tried various approaches suggested online but nothing works.
 Unfortunately, I am not even sure which of the many suggestions apply to my
 problem (if any).

 Any pointers are much appreciated!

 Thomas


Thomas,

I don't remember exactly why this happens.
But AFAICR, this is because you did not select a proper style for your
bibliography that supports Author Year citations.

I don't know what style you're using, but you can try to select another one,
like plainnat or apalike.
If I'm not wrong, the plain style (which is the LyX default), does not
support it.

If you're not sure what I am talking about, just select Insert  List / TOC
 BibTeX Bibloography..., in that window you are able to select your *.bib
database and a style (*.bst) to use.


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Author year in text citation

[Diego Queiroz]

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Thomas <thomas.tri...@cantab.net> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am using Lxy 2.0 under Windows and I am using the Firefox Zotero plug in
> for my bibliography.
>
> I have the following problem.
>
> When trying to format in text citations as "Author (Year)" which I can
> choose right clicking the citation in Lyx the PDF (pdflatex) produces
> "(author?)" followed by the reference number in brackets.
>
> Citation style is Natbib and generator is bibtex.
>
> I tried various approaches suggested online but nothing works.
> Unfortunately, I am not even sure which of the many suggestions apply to my
> problem (if any).
>
> Any pointers are much appreciated!
>
> Thomas
>

Thomas,

I don't remember exactly why this happens.
But AFAICR, this is because you did not select a proper style for your
bibliography that supports Author Year citations.

I don't know what style you're using, but you can try to select another one,
like plainnat or apalike.
If I'm not wrong, the "plain" style (which is the LyX default), does not
support it.

If you're not sure what I am talking about, just select Insert > List / TOC
> BibTeX Bibloography..., in that window you are able to select your *.bib
database and a style (*.bst) to use.


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: how to modify figure name

[Diego Queiroz]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Hady Ariwibowo Teguh huget_te...@ymail.com
 wrote:

 Dear All,
 I'm using lyx 1.6. I have problem about how to name the figure. Just like
 this:
 Figure .2.a
 How to add a on the last part??
 Thanks
 Teguh
 CFD Engineer


Teguh,

You need to use sub floats.
To achieve this on LyX, just insert a float inside another float.

This way, the caption of the sub-float is automatically named 2a, 2b and so
on.


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: how to modify figure name

[Diego Queiroz]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Hady Ariwibowo Teguh huget_te...@ymail.com
 wrote:

 Dear All,
 I'm using lyx 1.6. I have problem about how to name the figure. Just like
 this:
 Figure .2.a
 How to add a on the last part??
 Thanks
 Teguh
 CFD Engineer


Teguh,

You need to use sub floats.
To achieve this on LyX, just insert a float inside another float.

This way, the caption of the sub-float is automatically named 2a, 2b and so
on.


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: how to modify figure name

[Diego Queiroz]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 4:18 AM, Hady Ariwibowo Teguh <huget_te...@ymail.com
> wrote:

> Dear All,
> I'm using lyx 1.6. I have problem about how to name the figure. Just like
> this:
> "Figure .2.a"
> How to add "a" on the last part??
> Thanks
> Teguh
> CFD Engineer
>
>
Teguh,

You need to use sub floats.
To achieve this on LyX, just insert a float inside another float.

This way, the caption of the sub-float is automatically named 2a, 2b and so
on.


Best regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: How to type a text over arrow?

[Diego Queiroz]

Try this:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=text+over+arrow+latexl=1


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz




On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Yegor Yefremov
yegorsli...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I want to type the formula like in the attached image (formula.jpg).
 Haw can I do this with LyX/LaTeX? As for now I'm using LyX 1.6.5.

 Regards,
 Yegor

Re: How to type a text over arrow?

[Diego Queiroz]

Try this:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=text+over+arrow+latexl=1


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz




On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Yegor Yefremov
yegorsli...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I want to type the formula like in the attached image (formula.jpg).
 Haw can I do this with LyX/LaTeX? As for now I'm using LyX 1.6.5.

 Regards,
 Yegor

Re: How to type a text over arrow?

[Diego Queiroz]

Try this:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=text+over+arrow+latex=1


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz




On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Yegor Yefremov
<yegorsli...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want to type the formula like in the attached image (formula.jpg).
> Haw can I do this with LyX/LaTeX? As for now I'm using LyX 1.6.5.
>
> Regards,
> Yegor
>

Re: how to separate pdf file?

[Diego Queiroz]

 Just curious, will pdftk preserve links between chapters? This seems
 rather nontrivial.

Pdftk output is exactly like the original file, so it keeps all links.
All links in the generated file will work if they point to an existent position.
For example, if there is a link for the chapter 10, but the chapter 10
is not in the file, that link will not work (obvious?).

 I have tried to split the document by pdf creator. it works but, the link 
 cannot work.
 Any suggestion?

Use Pdftk. http://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/
It is much easier than using a pdf printer like PDF Creator, and the
output is much better.

Its usage is trivial:

- pdftk infile.pdf cat 1-20 output outfile.pdf
This command create a new file named outfile.pdf with the pages 1-20
from infile.pdf.

By default, the metadata is lost (bookmarks, authorname, title, password etc).
But you can use pdftk's update_info parameter to insert metadata on
a file. Google it if you need.


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: how to separate pdf file?

[Diego Queiroz]

 Just curious, will pdftk preserve links between chapters? This seems
 rather nontrivial.

Pdftk output is exactly like the original file, so it keeps all links.
All links in the generated file will work if they point to an existent position.
For example, if there is a link for the chapter 10, but the chapter 10
is not in the file, that link will not work (obvious?).

 I have tried to split the document by pdf creator. it works but, the link 
 cannot work.
 Any suggestion?

Use Pdftk. http://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/
It is much easier than using a pdf printer like PDF Creator, and the
output is much better.

Its usage is trivial:

- pdftk infile.pdf cat 1-20 output outfile.pdf
This command create a new file named outfile.pdf with the pages 1-20
from infile.pdf.

By default, the metadata is lost (bookmarks, authorname, title, password etc).
But you can use pdftk's update_info parameter to insert metadata on
a file. Google it if you need.


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: how to separate pdf file?

[Diego Queiroz]

> Just curious, will pdftk preserve links between chapters? This seems
> rather nontrivial.

Pdftk output is exactly like the original file, so it keeps all links.
All links in the generated file will work if they point to an existent position.
For example, if there is a link for the chapter 10, but the chapter 10
is not in the file, that link will not work (obvious?).

> I have tried to split the document by pdf creator. it works but, the link 
> cannot work.
> Any suggestion?

Use Pdftk. http://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-the-pdf-toolkit/
It is much easier than using a pdf printer like PDF Creator, and the
output is much better.

Its usage is trivial:

- pdftk infile.pdf cat 1-20 output outfile.pdf
This command create a new file named outfile.pdf with the pages 1-20
from infile.pdf.

By default, the metadata is lost (bookmarks, authorname, title, password etc).
But you can use pdftk's "update_info" parameter to insert metadata on
a file. Google it if you need.


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

 Unfortunately no it is not supported and moreover the macro \subref
 conflicts with the use of refstyle which was implemented in 2.0 (in this
 case \subref is a reference to a subsection and yields subsection 1.1).

 So you will have to type a yourself or use TeX code.


Are you sure? As stated before, I already solved the problem using ERT.
No conflicts a all.

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

 Yes I'm sure.


Yeah, you are right. But this is a LyX bug. It should use a not-so-obvious
name for the command to prevent a conflict like this.
However, the command \subref is defined by LyX only when you use the
Formatted reference. Since I don't use this type of cross-reference, there
is no problem with my ERT.

I'll create a ticket for this.

Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 But the only one for truly consistent behaviour. If you want to export
 stand-alone, uncheck the master setting.


Even if the master setting is not set in the child, LyX still display all
macros perfectly if the master document is open.
My complaint is this: if LyX is able to interpret things and display them in
the editor, it should be able to generate the output. That's all.
Specially if this problem is not present in older versions.

No, you can *include* the sub-documents and use the includeonly feature
 to compile a subset of sub-documents where LaTeX will ensure
 (almost) correct page numbers and references and LyX will use the
 parent doc settings instead of the child-doc ones.


What happens when you set the include only option?
The whole document is generated and the pages are ommited or it handle the
pages in a more fashioned way?

I am asking this because, if LyX handles it in a good way, we can change the
action of the view button of child docs to automatically generate the master
document including only the active document. This appears suitable for me
and is better than blocking.


 Actually, *you* generate the error -- a reference to a label that does
 not exist in the document. Setting a master (currently) is just an
 editing hint but does not change the way a document is compiled
 stand-alone.


If LyX options were consistent, it won't let me generate such errors.
It doesn't really matter if I am responsible for them or not: computers are
here to handle problems we don't want to deal with, right? They are not here
to introduce another class of problems (although I agree this is not always
true :-) .


 I am not sure about this. If I remember right, the LaTeX run is done in
 nonstopmode but the output not opened in a viewer - I'd like a
 show output anyway button in the error message dialogue. Having
 a look at the output is sometimes far more helpful than TeX error
 messages.


A show output anyway button would be great.
However, if LyX consistency were assured, there's no need for it (expect
when using ERT).

---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

Here is the ticket for this problem.

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7550

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7550
---
Diego Queiroz



On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Diego Queiroz queiroz.di...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes I'm sure.


 Yeah, you are right. But this is a LyX bug. It should use a not-so-obvious
 name for the command to prevent a conflict like this.
 However, the command \subref is defined by LyX only when you use the
 Formatted reference. Since I don't use this type of cross-reference, there
 is no problem with my ERT.

 I'll create a ticket for this.

 Cheers,
 ---
 Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

  A show output anyway button would be great.
  However, if LyX consistency were assured, there's no need for it (expect
  when using ERT).

 ... or the LaTeX preamble (1) or an outdated TeX distribution (2) or a
 package
 combination with conflicts (3) or ... (?)

 Günter


I repeat: if, and only if, LyX consistency were assured, there's no need for
such option (except when using ERT).

What means:
1) In LyX, the LaTeX preamble is an alternative to ERT but it has the same
purpose. So any LaTeX code in LyX will always be a problem to consistency.
If this is your point, I agree with you.
2) In an ideal scenario, LyX could check the LaTeX distribution to see what
resources are available. So an outdated LaTeX should not be a problem.
3) Currently LyX already handles many known packages conflicts. Since
all LyX resources are packages mapped to menu commands, every new package to
be supported should be checked for possible conflicts with all the existent
ones. When this is not possible, LyX should handle the problem in some way
(like preventing the user of using them together).
?) Since these problems are solved, I cannot imagine another problem that is
not related to ERT, file corruption and hardware problems. Otherwise, LyX
can handle it.

Actually, ERTs does exist only to keep LyX flexible, but the ERT goes
against its proposal.


Anyway, let's give up this discussion. It is leading to nowhere.
We're flaming the mailing list. Sorry for this.
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

 Unfortunately no it is not supported and moreover the macro \subref
 conflicts with the use of refstyle which was implemented in 2.0 (in this
 case \subref is a reference to a subsection and yields subsection 1.1).

 So you will have to type a yourself or use TeX code.


Are you sure? As stated before, I already solved the problem using ERT.
No conflicts a all.

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

 Yes I'm sure.


Yeah, you are right. But this is a LyX bug. It should use a not-so-obvious
name for the command to prevent a conflict like this.
However, the command \subref is defined by LyX only when you use the
Formatted reference. Since I don't use this type of cross-reference, there
is no problem with my ERT.

I'll create a ticket for this.

Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 But the only one for truly consistent behaviour. If you want to export
 stand-alone, uncheck the master setting.


Even if the master setting is not set in the child, LyX still display all
macros perfectly if the master document is open.
My complaint is this: if LyX is able to interpret things and display them in
the editor, it should be able to generate the output. That's all.
Specially if this problem is not present in older versions.

No, you can *include* the sub-documents and use the includeonly feature
 to compile a subset of sub-documents where LaTeX will ensure
 (almost) correct page numbers and references and LyX will use the
 parent doc settings instead of the child-doc ones.


What happens when you set the include only option?
The whole document is generated and the pages are ommited or it handle the
pages in a more fashioned way?

I am asking this because, if LyX handles it in a good way, we can change the
action of the view button of child docs to automatically generate the master
document including only the active document. This appears suitable for me
and is better than blocking.


 Actually, *you* generate the error -- a reference to a label that does
 not exist in the document. Setting a master (currently) is just an
 editing hint but does not change the way a document is compiled
 stand-alone.


If LyX options were consistent, it won't let me generate such errors.
It doesn't really matter if I am responsible for them or not: computers are
here to handle problems we don't want to deal with, right? They are not here
to introduce another class of problems (although I agree this is not always
true :-) .


 I am not sure about this. If I remember right, the LaTeX run is done in
 nonstopmode but the output not opened in a viewer - I'd like a
 show output anyway button in the error message dialogue. Having
 a look at the output is sometimes far more helpful than TeX error
 messages.


A show output anyway button would be great.
However, if LyX consistency were assured, there's no need for it (expect
when using ERT).

---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

Here is the ticket for this problem.

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7550

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7550
---
Diego Queiroz



On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Diego Queiroz queiroz.di...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yes I'm sure.


 Yeah, you are right. But this is a LyX bug. It should use a not-so-obvious
 name for the command to prevent a conflict like this.
 However, the command \subref is defined by LyX only when you use the
 Formatted reference. Since I don't use this type of cross-reference, there
 is no problem with my ERT.

 I'll create a ticket for this.

 Cheers,
 ---
 Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

  A show output anyway button would be great.
  However, if LyX consistency were assured, there's no need for it (expect
  when using ERT).

 ... or the LaTeX preamble (1) or an outdated TeX distribution (2) or a
 package
 combination with conflicts (3) or ... (?)

 Günter


I repeat: if, and only if, LyX consistency were assured, there's no need for
such option (except when using ERT).

What means:
1) In LyX, the LaTeX preamble is an alternative to ERT but it has the same
purpose. So any LaTeX code in LyX will always be a problem to consistency.
If this is your point, I agree with you.
2) In an ideal scenario, LyX could check the LaTeX distribution to see what
resources are available. So an outdated LaTeX should not be a problem.
3) Currently LyX already handles many known packages conflicts. Since
all LyX resources are packages mapped to menu commands, every new package to
be supported should be checked for possible conflicts with all the existent
ones. When this is not possible, LyX should handle the problem in some way
(like preventing the user of using them together).
?) Since these problems are solved, I cannot imagine another problem that is
not related to ERT, file corruption and hardware problems. Otherwise, LyX
can handle it.

Actually, ERTs does exist only to keep LyX flexible, but the ERT goes
against its proposal.


Anyway, let's give up this discussion. It is leading to nowhere.
We're flaming the mailing list. Sorry for this.
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> Unfortunately no it is not supported and moreover the macro \subref
> conflicts with the use of refstyle which was implemented in 2.0 (in this
> case \subref is a reference to a subsection and yields "subsection 1.1").
>
> So you will have to type "a" yourself or use TeX code.
>
>
Are you sure? As stated before, I already solved the problem using ERT.
No conflicts a all.

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> Yes I'm sure.
>

Yeah, you are right. But this is a LyX bug. It should use a not-so-obvious
name for the command to prevent a conflict like this.
However, the command \subref is defined by LyX only when you use the
. Since I don't use this type of cross-reference, there
is no problem with my ERT.

I'll create a ticket for this.

Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> But the only one for truly consistent behaviour. If you want to export
> stand-alone, uncheck the master setting.
>

Even if the master setting is not set in the child, LyX still display all
macros perfectly if the master document is open.
My complaint is this: if LyX is able to interpret things and display them in
the editor, it should be able to generate the output. That's all.
Specially if this problem is not present in older versions.

No, you can *include* the sub-documents and use the includeonly feature
> to compile a subset of sub-documents where LaTeX will ensure
> (almost) correct page numbers and references and LyX will use the
> parent doc settings instead of the child-doc ones.
>

What happens when you set the include only option?
The whole document is generated and the pages are ommited or it handle the
pages in a more fashioned way?

I am asking this because, if LyX handles it in a good way, we can change the
action of the view button of child docs to automatically generate the master
document including only the active document. This appears suitable for me
and is better than blocking.


> Actually, *you* generate the error -- a reference to a label that does
> not exist in the document. Setting a master (currently) is just an
> "editing hint" but does not change the way a document is compiled
> stand-alone.
>

If LyX options were consistent, it won't let me generate such errors.
It doesn't really matter if I am responsible for them or not: computers are
here to handle problems we don't want to deal with, right? They are not here
to introduce another class of problems (although I agree this is not always
true :-) .


> I am not sure about this. If I remember right, the LaTeX run is done in
> nonstopmode but the output not opened in a viewer -> I'd like a
> "show output anyway" button in the error message dialogue. Having
> a look at the output is sometimes far more helpful than TeX error
> messages.
>

A "show output anyway" button would be great.
However, if LyX consistency were assured, there's no need for it (expect
when using ERT).

---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

Here is the ticket for this problem.

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7550

<http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7550>
---
Diego Queiroz



On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Diego Queiroz <queiroz.di...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Yes I'm sure.
>>
>
> Yeah, you are right. But this is a LyX bug. It should use a not-so-obvious
> name for the command to prevent a conflict like this.
> However, the command \subref is defined by LyX only when you use the
> . Since I don't use this type of cross-reference, there
> is no problem with my ERT.
>
> I'll create a ticket for this.
>
> Cheers,
> ---
> Diego Queiroz
>

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> > A "show output anyway" button would be great.
> > However, if LyX consistency were assured, there's no need for it (expect
> > when using ERT).
>
> ... or the LaTeX preamble (1) or an outdated TeX distribution (2) or a
> package
> combination with conflicts (3) or ... (?)
>
> Günter
>

I repeat: if, and only if, LyX consistency were assured, there's no need for
such option (except when using ERT).

What means:
1) In LyX, the LaTeX preamble is an alternative to ERT but it has the same
purpose. So any LaTeX code in LyX will always be a problem to consistency.
If this is your point, I agree with you.
2) In an ideal scenario, LyX could check the LaTeX distribution to see what
resources are available. So an outdated LaTeX should not be a problem.
3) Currently LyX already handles many known packages conflicts. Since
all LyX resources are packages mapped to menu commands, every new package to
be supported should be checked for possible conflicts with all the existent
ones. When this is not possible, LyX should handle the problem in some way
(like preventing the user of using them together).
?) Since these problems are solved, I cannot imagine another problem that is
not related to ERT, file corruption and hardware problems. Otherwise, LyX
can handle it.

Actually, ERTs does exist only to keep LyX flexible, but the ERT goes
against its proposal.


Anyway, let's give up this discussion. It is leading to nowhere.
We're flaming the mailing list. Sorry for this.
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Portable LyX

[Diego Queiroz]

 I am not able to fully understand the part
  the directory is defined in the compilation process and there's no way to
 achieve this without changing the code.


Open LyX and select Help  About.
There you can see what directory LyX is using to store user files.

On Windows, this folder is defined based on the %APPDATA% environment
variable.
Currently, there's no way to change this without changing the code.

This is what I meant.


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

  For truly consistent behaviour, we would have to disable stand-alone
  compilation of documents setting a master (except for included (vs.
  input) documents).


This is a strong restriction.
With this, in a document with thousand of pages I will obligated to generate
all pages?
I do not agree.


  Actually, I regularly compile stand-alone child docs (to save time on
  checking the appearance in the output). I have set up a stand-alone
  branch for math-macros and bibliography and I can live with the
  question marks in the references.


This is another subject, but let's understand the question marks are a
problem to be solved too.
I think it would be good if LyX doesn't generate so much errors, but I vote
against the generation of documents with wrong content (i.e. the question
marks).
Otherwise, LyX could not stop on the first error, as it already do today.
That is, currently, if a error is found, LyX just stops and warns the user.
Even if the document can still be generated by LaTeX.
We didn't define LyX to just continue and see what you get because we
don't want this, right?

In the worst case, I'm in favor of a warning to the user about these wrong
things.
One reason is because I already submited a work with those ??. My fault
indeed, but LyX could warn me anyway. ;-)


  Just make it very clear in the documentation that parent-document
  features are non-available in the child if compiled stand-alone (without
  include feature) even if rendered in the LyX window - this is a feature.
 
 We did establish that this is a change from 1.6.x, where parent macros
 are written to the child. That was not intentional, and the behavior
 depends upon the setting of EXPORT_IN_THREAD. We can keep it as it is,
 but then we should make it consistent (and could remove useless code).


There are two things to note here:
1st: LyX interprets macros very well. It doesn't matter where they are
(child/master/etc). If the documents are linked, LyX handles it in the
screen. Fact. IMO, if it handles the content to the screen it should handle
to the output.

2nd: AFAIK this feature was supported in later versions (I did not tested by
myself, but people in this thread said it work). I won't be surprised if
someone decide to stay with LyX 1.6 just because this feature was removed.
Or just because I am not able to compile my old doc anymore or any other
complaints.


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Diego Queiroz queiroz.di...@gmail.comwrote:

 LyX 2.0 supports \subref command without ERT? (I want to cross-reference a
 subfigure inside the figure environment)
 If so, how do I insert it?

 Thanks,
 ---
 Diego Queiroz


No answers? :-(
Currently I am using ERT and it solved my problem.

But can someone confirm if lyX really doesn't support this feature at all?

Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

Thanks for the answers.

But I think I wasn't clear.
I want to use the \subref command not the \ref one (supported by default on
LyX).
The difference between them is that \ref produces 1a while \subref
produces only a.

I need to cite subfigures in the caption of the main float.

Example.:
Fig(a) --- Fig(b)
Figure 1: Here you see some figure (a) and another figure (b).

Got it?

But now I'm almost sure LyX really doesn't really support it.
If so, this is another good (and simple) improvement for LyX 2.1. :-)


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

 Isn't this precisely what I gave you in the sample file? (I didn't put
  the cross-reference in the figure caption, but that's trivial.)

 In short, LyX supports it and makes it easy.

 BH


Not really.
The file you gave me generate 1a, 1b... as expected for a output in the
text.
What I want is just a, b (without the number 1).


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Portable LyX

[Diego Queiroz]

 I am not able to fully understand the part
  the directory is defined in the compilation process and there's no way to
 achieve this without changing the code.


Open LyX and select Help  About.
There you can see what directory LyX is using to store user files.

On Windows, this folder is defined based on the %APPDATA% environment
variable.
Currently, there's no way to change this without changing the code.

This is what I meant.


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

  For truly consistent behaviour, we would have to disable stand-alone
  compilation of documents setting a master (except for included (vs.
  input) documents).


This is a strong restriction.
With this, in a document with thousand of pages I will obligated to generate
all pages?
I do not agree.


  Actually, I regularly compile stand-alone child docs (to save time on
  checking the appearance in the output). I have set up a stand-alone
  branch for math-macros and bibliography and I can live with the
  question marks in the references.


This is another subject, but let's understand the question marks are a
problem to be solved too.
I think it would be good if LyX doesn't generate so much errors, but I vote
against the generation of documents with wrong content (i.e. the question
marks).
Otherwise, LyX could not stop on the first error, as it already do today.
That is, currently, if a error is found, LyX just stops and warns the user.
Even if the document can still be generated by LaTeX.
We didn't define LyX to just continue and see what you get because we
don't want this, right?

In the worst case, I'm in favor of a warning to the user about these wrong
things.
One reason is because I already submited a work with those ??. My fault
indeed, but LyX could warn me anyway. ;-)


  Just make it very clear in the documentation that parent-document
  features are non-available in the child if compiled stand-alone (without
  include feature) even if rendered in the LyX window - this is a feature.
 
 We did establish that this is a change from 1.6.x, where parent macros
 are written to the child. That was not intentional, and the behavior
 depends upon the setting of EXPORT_IN_THREAD. We can keep it as it is,
 but then we should make it consistent (and could remove useless code).


There are two things to note here:
1st: LyX interprets macros very well. It doesn't matter where they are
(child/master/etc). If the documents are linked, LyX handles it in the
screen. Fact. IMO, if it handles the content to the screen it should handle
to the output.

2nd: AFAIK this feature was supported in later versions (I did not tested by
myself, but people in this thread said it work). I won't be surprised if
someone decide to stay with LyX 1.6 just because this feature was removed.
Or just because I am not able to compile my old doc anymore or any other
complaints.


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Diego Queiroz queiroz.di...@gmail.comwrote:

 LyX 2.0 supports \subref command without ERT? (I want to cross-reference a
 subfigure inside the figure environment)
 If so, how do I insert it?

 Thanks,
 ---
 Diego Queiroz


No answers? :-(
Currently I am using ERT and it solved my problem.

But can someone confirm if lyX really doesn't support this feature at all?

Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

Thanks for the answers.

But I think I wasn't clear.
I want to use the \subref command not the \ref one (supported by default on
LyX).
The difference between them is that \ref produces 1a while \subref
produces only a.

I need to cite subfigures in the caption of the main float.

Example.:
Fig(a) --- Fig(b)
Figure 1: Here you see some figure (a) and another figure (b).

Got it?

But now I'm almost sure LyX really doesn't really support it.
If so, this is another good (and simple) improvement for LyX 2.1. :-)


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

 Isn't this precisely what I gave you in the sample file? (I didn't put
  the cross-reference in the figure caption, but that's trivial.)

 In short, LyX supports it and makes it easy.

 BH


Not really.
The file you gave me generate 1a, 1b... as expected for a output in the
text.
What I want is just a, b (without the number 1).


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Portable LyX

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> I am not able to fully understand the part
>  "the directory is defined in the compilation process and there's no way to
> achieve this without changing the code".
>
>
Open LyX and select Help > About.
There you can see what directory LyX is using to store user files.

On Windows, this folder is defined based on the %APPDATA% environment
variable.
Currently, there's no way to change this without changing the code.

This is what I meant.


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> >>> For truly consistent behaviour, we would have to disable stand-alone
> >>> compilation of documents setting a master (except for "included" (vs.
> >>> "input") documents).
>

This is a strong restriction.
With this, in a document with thousand of pages I will obligated to generate
all pages?
I do not agree.


> > Actually, I regularly compile stand-alone child docs (to save time on
> > checking the appearance in the output). I have set up a "stand-alone"
> > branch for math-macros and bibliography and I can live with the
> > question marks in the references.
>

This is another subject, but let's understand the question marks are a
problem to be solved too.
I think it would be good if LyX doesn't generate so much errors, but I vote
against the generation of documents with "wrong" content (i.e. the question
marks).
Otherwise, LyX could not stop on the first error, as it already do today.
That is, currently, if a error is found, LyX just stops and warns the user.
Even if the document can still be generated by LaTeX.
We didn't define LyX to "just continue and see what you get" because we
don't want this, right?

In the worst case, I'm in favor of a warning to the user about these "wrong"
things.
One reason is because I already submited a work with those "??". My fault
indeed, but LyX could warn me anyway. ;-)


> > Just make it very clear in the documentation that parent-document
> > features are non-available in the child if compiled stand-alone (without
> > include feature) even if rendered in the LyX window - this is a feature.
> >
> We did establish that this is a change from 1.6.x, where parent macros
> are written to the child. That was not intentional, and the behavior
> depends upon the setting of EXPORT_IN_THREAD. We can keep it as it is,
> but then we should make it consistent (and could remove useless code).


There are two things to note here:
1st: LyX interprets macros very well. It doesn't matter where they are
(child/master/etc). If the documents are linked, LyX handles it in the
screen. Fact. IMO, if it handles the content to the screen it should handle
to the output.

2nd: AFAIK this feature was supported in later versions (I did not tested by
myself, but people in this thread said it work). I won't be surprised if
someone decide to stay with LyX 1.6 just because this "feature" was removed.
Or just because "I am not able to compile my old doc anymore" or any other
complaints.


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Diego Queiroz <queiroz.di...@gmail.com>wrote:

> LyX 2.0 supports \subref command without ERT? (I want to cross-reference a
> subfigure inside the figure environment)
> If so, how do I insert it?
>
> Thanks,
> ---
> Diego Queiroz
>
>
No answers? :-(
Currently I am using ERT and it solved my problem.

But can someone confirm if lyX really doesn't support this feature at all?

Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

Thanks for the answers.

But I think I wasn't clear.
I want to use the \subref command not the \ref one (supported by default on
LyX).
The difference between them is that \ref produces "1a" while \subref
produces only "a".

I need to cite subfigures in the caption of the main float.

Example.:
Fig(a) --- Fig(b)
Figure 1: Here you see some figure (a) and another figure (b).

Got it?

But now I'm almost sure LyX really doesn't really support it.
If so, this is another good (and simple) improvement for LyX 2.1. :-)


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> Isn't this precisely what I gave you in the sample file? (I didn't put
>  the cross-reference in the figure caption, but that's trivial.)
>
> In short, LyX supports it and makes it easy.
>
> BH
>

Not really.
The file you gave me generate "1a", "1b"... as expected for a output in the
text.
What I want is just "a", "b" (without the number 1).


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz

Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

I'm not sure if this is a bug report or a feature request. Probably the
second one.

In LyX it's ok to define a Math Macro in a Master document and use it in a
child one. It's also ok to use math macros that are defined in a child and
use it in other child document.

In both cases, I am able to view the Master document and it handles
everything perfectly.

But if I do so, I am unable to compile the child document alone.
AFAIK the reason is simple: the child document doesn't have the math macros
defined on its scope. And it doesn't really matter if the default master
document is set or not. It simple doesn't work (at least, I don't know how
to do without insert the math macros again, which in painful).

My suggestion is to allow the generation of the childs alone.
While working in the document, it's normal to compile only parts of the
document instead of compile the whole set, so this feature would be very
handy.


Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Portable LyX

[Diego Queiroz]

 The question now is that whether Lyx stores all the settings files in the
 installation directory itself, and not use registry (for windows, etc).
 Perhaps one of the developers could have answer to this more specific
 question.


LyX uses the user directory by default and doesn't use the Windows register.
AFAIK the directory is defined in the compilation process and there's no way
to achieve this without changing the code.

But since there is a portable version MiKTeX, it would be a good to provide
a portable version of LyX.

Vincent,
Goals for 2.1? :-)

---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 If you ask to compile just the child, then you are asking to compile it
  as a standalone document, so it is no surprise that this does not work.


Exactly. :-)


 If you want to compile just one chapter as part of a larger document,
 then you need to use the \includeonly support, accessible from
 DocumentSettings.


I was not aware of this feature. Thanks for the hint.

But it is also painful to select the document I want to compile everytime.
:/
When I am working in a document, I work on it as a standalone document, I
don't handle with the Master document before I want to compile the whole
set.

Of course there are several workarounds, i.e you can create a document with
all your macros and insert it on the beggining of all documents. This is a
not so elegant solution, but it does the job. Probably one can suggest a
better solution as well.

But I really think LyX can do this automatically.
Since LyX already stores all defined macros in somewhere for the editor, it
is not so hard to dinamically include them in a document when needed.

Cheers,
Diego

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 But what if you really want to compile it as a standalone document?
 People do this.

 Richard


But if it was really a standalone document, I would have to unset master
document property, right?

Anyway, in my case, the problem is that my child document with the macros
also define Nomenclatures. When I include it on all files and decide to
generate the Master document, the list of Nomenclatures repeats its entries
several times (obviously because the entry was indeed included several
times).

I am just looking for a more user oriented behavior. I mean, if I can see
everything right on the screen, what's the problem?
This is how I feel about the current behavior. LyX is handling everything on
the editor, since all math macros are interpreted correctly when I open any
document, but I can't generate the file because of its internal structure.

We should try to avoid consistency errors in LyX. If people decide to use
ERT, we should expect unwanted behavior, but in a document using only LyX
resources, it must never generate errors (or they should be rare, at least),
doesn't matter what the user decides to do.


Cheers,
Diego

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 So, I do not experience your problem. However document settings and stuff
 that gets defined in the preamble need to be set in both master and child
 docs.
 --
 Julien


Actually, the answer is: yes, you do experience the very same problem.
Otherwise you won't need to go after a workaround, right? :-)

As I said before, I'm sure there are several ways to workaround this
limitation (I am not searching for one).
I just think we should focus on make LyX avoid these errors by itself.


Cheers,
---
Diego

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 Which workaround? You said math macros don't work within child docs, I say
 they work for me. No workaround necessary.


Maybe I misunderstood you.
I was citing your workaround to include bibtex in the childs.

 I use a branch named child only, which is activated in child docs but
deactivated in the master

Anyway, never mind. Sorry.

Thinking about this again, I'm guessing that one of the use x math package
 automatically option doesn't get triggered and is the cause of your child
 doc compilation failures. If that is the case then yes, LyX should detect
 that automatically, and yes, at the moment a workaround is needed: check
 use x math package in document settings.


I just tested and this is not enough.
I am not able to generate child files in LyX 2.0 at all.
If I include a simple macro in a document (the master), create another file
(the child), link them and use the macro in the child. The standalone child
don't compile, only the master document.

Are you able to do this in LyX 1.6?
If so, this is a bug report and not a feature request.

Can someone confirm this / create ticket?

I've attached two files: the child and the master document.
I can't compile the child document. Can you try?


Cheers,
---
Diego


child.lyx
Description: Binary data


master.lyx
Description: Binary data

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 Yes I am able to do what you describe in 1.6. In your example child doc,
 you did not set the master setting, did you?


Indeed.
I was in a hurry and I forgot it. ;/
---
Diego Queiroz

Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

I'm not sure if this is a bug report or a feature request. Probably the
second one.

In LyX it's ok to define a Math Macro in a Master document and use it in a
child one. It's also ok to use math macros that are defined in a child and
use it in other child document.

In both cases, I am able to view the Master document and it handles
everything perfectly.

But if I do so, I am unable to compile the child document alone.
AFAIK the reason is simple: the child document doesn't have the math macros
defined on its scope. And it doesn't really matter if the default master
document is set or not. It simple doesn't work (at least, I don't know how
to do without insert the math macros again, which in painful).

My suggestion is to allow the generation of the childs alone.
While working in the document, it's normal to compile only parts of the
document instead of compile the whole set, so this feature would be very
handy.


Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Portable LyX

[Diego Queiroz]

 The question now is that whether Lyx stores all the settings files in the
 installation directory itself, and not use registry (for windows, etc).
 Perhaps one of the developers could have answer to this more specific
 question.


LyX uses the user directory by default and doesn't use the Windows register.
AFAIK the directory is defined in the compilation process and there's no way
to achieve this without changing the code.

But since there is a portable version MiKTeX, it would be a good to provide
a portable version of LyX.

Vincent,
Goals for 2.1? :-)

---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 If you ask to compile just the child, then you are asking to compile it
  as a standalone document, so it is no surprise that this does not work.


Exactly. :-)


 If you want to compile just one chapter as part of a larger document,
 then you need to use the \includeonly support, accessible from
 DocumentSettings.


I was not aware of this feature. Thanks for the hint.

But it is also painful to select the document I want to compile everytime.
:/
When I am working in a document, I work on it as a standalone document, I
don't handle with the Master document before I want to compile the whole
set.

Of course there are several workarounds, i.e you can create a document with
all your macros and insert it on the beggining of all documents. This is a
not so elegant solution, but it does the job. Probably one can suggest a
better solution as well.

But I really think LyX can do this automatically.
Since LyX already stores all defined macros in somewhere for the editor, it
is not so hard to dinamically include them in a document when needed.

Cheers,
Diego

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 But what if you really want to compile it as a standalone document?
 People do this.

 Richard


But if it was really a standalone document, I would have to unset master
document property, right?

Anyway, in my case, the problem is that my child document with the macros
also define Nomenclatures. When I include it on all files and decide to
generate the Master document, the list of Nomenclatures repeats its entries
several times (obviously because the entry was indeed included several
times).

I am just looking for a more user oriented behavior. I mean, if I can see
everything right on the screen, what's the problem?
This is how I feel about the current behavior. LyX is handling everything on
the editor, since all math macros are interpreted correctly when I open any
document, but I can't generate the file because of its internal structure.

We should try to avoid consistency errors in LyX. If people decide to use
ERT, we should expect unwanted behavior, but in a document using only LyX
resources, it must never generate errors (or they should be rare, at least),
doesn't matter what the user decides to do.


Cheers,
Diego

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 So, I do not experience your problem. However document settings and stuff
 that gets defined in the preamble need to be set in both master and child
 docs.
 --
 Julien


Actually, the answer is: yes, you do experience the very same problem.
Otherwise you won't need to go after a workaround, right? :-)

As I said before, I'm sure there are several ways to workaround this
limitation (I am not searching for one).
I just think we should focus on make LyX avoid these errors by itself.


Cheers,
---
Diego

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 Which workaround? You said math macros don't work within child docs, I say
 they work for me. No workaround necessary.


Maybe I misunderstood you.
I was citing your workaround to include bibtex in the childs.

 I use a branch named child only, which is activated in child docs but
deactivated in the master

Anyway, never mind. Sorry.

Thinking about this again, I'm guessing that one of the use x math package
 automatically option doesn't get triggered and is the cause of your child
 doc compilation failures. If that is the case then yes, LyX should detect
 that automatically, and yes, at the moment a workaround is needed: check
 use x math package in document settings.


I just tested and this is not enough.
I am not able to generate child files in LyX 2.0 at all.
If I include a simple macro in a document (the master), create another file
(the child), link them and use the macro in the child. The standalone child
don't compile, only the master document.

Are you able to do this in LyX 1.6?
If so, this is a bug report and not a feature request.

Can someone confirm this / create ticket?

I've attached two files: the child and the master document.
I can't compile the child document. Can you try?


Cheers,
---
Diego


child.lyx
Description: Binary data


master.lyx
Description: Binary data

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

 Yes I am able to do what you describe in 1.6. In your example child doc,
 you did not set the master setting, did you?


Indeed.
I was in a hurry and I forgot it. ;/
---
Diego Queiroz

Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

I'm not sure if this is a bug report or a feature request. Probably the
second one.

In LyX it's ok to define a Math Macro in a Master document and use it in a
child one. It's also ok to use math macros that are defined in a child and
use it in other child document.

In both cases, I am able to view the Master document and it handles
everything perfectly.

But if I do so, I am unable to compile the child document alone.
AFAIK the reason is simple: the child document doesn't have the math macros
defined on its scope. And it doesn't really matter if the default master
document is set or not. It simple doesn't work (at least, I don't know how
to do without insert the math macros "again", which in painful).

My suggestion is to allow the generation of the childs alone.
While working in the document, it's normal to compile only parts of the
document instead of compile the whole set, so this feature would be very
handy.


Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Portable LyX

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> The question now is that whether Lyx stores all the settings files in the
> installation directory itself, and not use registry (for windows, etc).
> Perhaps one of the developers could have answer to this more specific
> question.
>

LyX uses the user directory by default and doesn't use the Windows register.
AFAIK the directory is defined in the compilation process and there's no way
to achieve this without changing the code.

But since there is a portable version MiKTeX, it would be a good to provide
a portable version of LyX.

Vincent,
Goals for 2.1? :-)

---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> If you ask to compile just the child, then you are asking to compile it
>  as a standalone document, so it is no surprise that this does not work.
>

Exactly. :-)


> If you want to compile just one chapter as part of a larger document,
> then you need to use the \includeonly support, accessible from
> Document>Settings.


I was not aware of this feature. Thanks for the hint.

But it is also painful to select the document I want to compile everytime.
:/
When I am working in a document, I work on it as a standalone document, I
don't handle with the Master document before I want to compile the whole
set.

Of course there are several workarounds, i.e you can create a document with
all your macros and insert it on the beggining of all documents. This is a
not so elegant solution, but it does the job. Probably one can suggest a
better solution as well.

But I really think LyX can do this automatically.
Since LyX already stores all defined macros in somewhere for the editor, it
is not so hard to dinamically include them in a document when needed.

Cheers,
Diego

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> But what if you really want to compile it as a standalone document?
> People do this.
>
> Richard
>

But if it was really a standalone document, I would have to unset master
document property, right?

Anyway, in my case, the problem is that my child document with the macros
also define Nomenclatures. When I include it on all files and decide to
generate the Master document, the list of Nomenclatures repeats its entries
several times (obviously because the entry was indeed included several
times).

I am just looking for a more "user oriented behavior". I mean, "if I can see
everything right on the screen, what's the problem?"
This is how I feel about the current behavior. LyX is handling everything on
the editor, since all math macros are interpreted correctly when I open any
document, but I can't generate the file because of its internal structure.

We should try to avoid consistency errors in LyX. If people decide to use
ERT, we should expect unwanted behavior, but in a document using only LyX
resources, it must never generate errors (or they should be rare, at least),
doesn't matter what the user decides to do.


Cheers,
Diego

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> So, I do not experience your problem. However document settings and stuff
> that gets defined in the preamble need to be set in both master and child
> docs.
> --
> Julien
>

Actually, the answer is: yes, you do experience the very same problem.
Otherwise you won't need to go after a workaround, right? :-)

As I said before, I'm sure there are several ways to workaround this
limitation (I am not searching for one).
I just think we should focus on make LyX avoid these errors by itself.


Cheers,
---
Diego

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> Which workaround? You said math macros don't work within child docs, I say
> they work for me. No workaround necessary.
>

Maybe I misunderstood you.
I was citing your workaround to include bibtex in the childs.

>> "I use a branch named "child only", which is activated in child docs but
deactivated in the master"

Anyway, never mind. Sorry.

Thinking about this again, I'm guessing that one of the "use x math package
> automatically" option doesn't get triggered and is the cause of your child
> doc compilation failures. If that is the case then yes, LyX should detect
> that automatically, and yes, at the moment a workaround is needed: check
> "use x math package" in document settings.
>

I just tested and this is not enough.
I am not able to generate child files in LyX 2.0 at all.
If I include a simple macro in a document (the master), create another file
(the child), link them and use the macro in the child. The standalone child
don't compile, only the master document.

Are you able to do this in LyX 1.6?
If so, this is a bug report and not a feature request.

Can someone confirm this / create ticket?

I've attached two files: the child and the master document.
I can't compile the child document. Can you try?


Cheers,
---
Diego


child.lyx
Description: Binary data


master.lyx
Description: Binary data

Re: Math macros inside child documents

[Diego Queiroz]

>
> Yes I am able to do what you describe in 1.6. In your example child doc,
> you did not set the master setting, did you?
>

Indeed.
I was in a hurry and I forgot it. ;/
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: LyX 2.0 on Windows

[Diego Queiroz]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Stephen Harwin
stephen.har...@utas.edu.auwrote:

 Sorry,



 I do not seem to be able to find a 2.0.0-2 installer for download let alone
 a Bundle.  Can you send me a link?  Most of the mirror sites fail.



 Thanks

 Steve


Here is the direct link you want
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.0.0/LyX-2.0.0-2-Installer-Bundle.exe
I just tested it, and it is working (not as fast, but working).

BTW, I prefer to install MikTeX with the net installer and then install the
LyX alone, but you decide.

If you want to install them as I do, just install MikTeX from
http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/win32/miktex/setup/setup-2.9.3959.exe .
And then install LyX from
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.0.0/LyX-2.0.0-2-Installer.exe .


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: How to install Lyx 2.0 side by side with 1.6 on a MAC?

[Diego Queiroz]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse e...@lisse.na wrote:

 Toss 1.6!

 Done that when rc1 came out and never looked back.

 el


Same for me.
LyX 2.0 is incredible.

---
Diego

Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

LyX 2.0 supports \subref command without ERT? (I want to cross-reference a
subfigure inside the figure environment)

If so, how do I insert it?


Thanks,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: LyX 2.0 on Windows

[Diego Queiroz]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Stephen Harwin
stephen.har...@utas.edu.auwrote:

 Sorry,



 I do not seem to be able to find a 2.0.0-2 installer for download let alone
 a Bundle.  Can you send me a link?  Most of the mirror sites fail.



 Thanks

 Steve


Here is the direct link you want
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.0.0/LyX-2.0.0-2-Installer-Bundle.exe
I just tested it, and it is working (not as fast, but working).

BTW, I prefer to install MikTeX with the net installer and then install the
LyX alone, but you decide.

If you want to install them as I do, just install MikTeX from
http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/win32/miktex/setup/setup-2.9.3959.exe .
And then install LyX from
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.0.0/LyX-2.0.0-2-Installer.exe .


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: How to install Lyx 2.0 side by side with 1.6 on a MAC?

[Diego Queiroz]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse e...@lisse.na wrote:

 Toss 1.6!

 Done that when rc1 came out and never looked back.

 el


Same for me.
LyX 2.0 is incredible.

---
Diego

Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

LyX 2.0 supports \subref command without ERT? (I want to cross-reference a
subfigure inside the figure environment)

If so, how do I insert it?


Thanks,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: LyX 2.0 on Windows

[Diego Queiroz]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Stephen Harwin
<stephen.har...@utas.edu.au>wrote:

> Sorry,
>
>
>
> I do not seem to be able to find a 2.0.0-2 installer for download let alone
> a Bundle.  Can you send me a link?  Most of the mirror sites fail.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>

Here is the direct link you want
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.0.0/LyX-2.0.0-2-Installer-Bundle.exe
I just tested it, and it is working (not as fast, but working).

BTW, I prefer to install MikTeX with the net installer and then install the
LyX alone, but you decide.

If you want to install them as I do, just install MikTeX from
http://mirror.ctan.org/systems/win32/miktex/setup/setup-2.9.3959.exe .
And then install LyX from
ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.0.0/LyX-2.0.0-2-Installer.exe .


Take care,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: How to install Lyx 2.0 side by side with 1.6 on a MAC?

[Diego Queiroz]

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse  wrote:

> Toss 1.6!
>
> Done that when rc1 came out and never looked back.
>
> el


Same for me.
LyX 2.0 is incredible.

---
Diego

Subfigures: \subref support?

[Diego Queiroz]

LyX 2.0 supports \subref command without ERT? (I want to cross-reference a
subfigure inside the figure environment)

If so, how do I insert it?


Thanks,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Bug with label and multiline

[Diego Queiroz]

Thanks for reporting the problem.
I was able to confirm the problem, so I created this ticket for you
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7511

 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7511Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Bug with label and multiline

[Diego Queiroz]

Thanks for reporting the problem.
I was able to confirm the problem, so I created this ticket for you
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7511

 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7511Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Bug with label and multiline

[Diego Queiroz]

Thanks for reporting the problem.
I was able to confirm the problem, so I created this ticket for you
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7511

 <http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7511>Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Re: Lyx no backslash possible to enter proxy in a special domain

[Diego Queiroz]

I think Manveru is right.
But on MikTeX there is a Connection seetings button where you can input
anything (including slashes).

I don't know what window you're talking about.
Could you send a snapshot?

---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Manveru manv...@manveru.pl

 2011/4/12 Marc Wollersheim m...@marcwollersheim.de:
  Hello together.
 
  I am new here, it is my first subscribe to a mailing list, so i hope to
 do
  nothing wrong.
 
  My problem while using Lyx ( to write my thesis in a company) Lyx needs
 to
  download some packages like graphix, pgfplots etc.
  Therefore i have to enter a proxy. But in this server environment of the
  company i have to enter a proxy with the domain prefix, e.g.
 domain\proxy.
  But i cannot enter a backslash, so i does not work.
  Is there any other way to define the proxy (e.g in a config file)?
  Or do you have any other concrete idea to solve the problem?

 I think this is a MikTeX issue or other TeX distro you are using on
 your Windows. This is not a LyX problem.

 --
 Manveru
 jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
  gg: 1624001
http://www.manveru.pl

Re: RC3 for WIndows ?

[Diego Queiroz]

Mariano,
There aren't official installers.

But there is an unnoficial installer, created by Michal. You would try it:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg86174.html


http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg86174.htmlCheers,
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Mariano Llamedo Soria llame...@gmail.com

 Is it planed to be available for Windows ?

 Regards,
 Mariano.

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

[Diego Queiroz]

Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
We need to change this in future releases...

Anyway...

So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
OptionalArgs = 2?

---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net

 On 04/20/2011 03:42 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

 Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :

 When developing layouts, what the OptionalArgs command actually do?

 I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
 arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.


 It enables the InsertShort Title (bad name...) menu entry.

  ...which is what you use to insert optional arguments.

 rh

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

[Diego Queiroz]

Oh. You're right. Thanks.

Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
Isn't this a problem?


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Julien Rioux jri...@physics.utoronto.ca

 On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:

 Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
 only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
 We need to change this in future releases...

 Anyway...

 So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
 I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
 number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
 Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
 OptionalArgs = 2?

 ---
 Diego Queiroz


 It is then possible to insert two Short title insets. Right?

 --
 Julien

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

[Diego Queiroz]

Oooops. I'm wrong again, sorry.

It seems that one can override and insert Opt fields, but they aren't
included in the source.
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz queiroz.di...@gmail.com

 Oh. You're right. Thanks.

 Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
 the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
 Isn't this a problem?


 Cheers,
 ---
 Diego Queiroz




 2011/4/20 Julien Rioux jri...@physics.utoronto.ca

 On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:

 Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
 only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
 We need to change this in future releases...

 Anyway...

 So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
 I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs
 =
 number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
 Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
 OptionalArgs = 2?

 ---
 Diego Queiroz


 It is then possible to insert two Short title insets. Right?

 --
 Julien

Re: Lyx no backslash possible to enter proxy in a special domain

[Diego Queiroz]

I think Manveru is right.
But on MikTeX there is a Connection seetings button where you can input
anything (including slashes).

I don't know what window you're talking about.
Could you send a snapshot?

---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Manveru manv...@manveru.pl

 2011/4/12 Marc Wollersheim m...@marcwollersheim.de:
  Hello together.
 
  I am new here, it is my first subscribe to a mailing list, so i hope to
 do
  nothing wrong.
 
  My problem while using Lyx ( to write my thesis in a company) Lyx needs
 to
  download some packages like graphix, pgfplots etc.
  Therefore i have to enter a proxy. But in this server environment of the
  company i have to enter a proxy with the domain prefix, e.g.
 domain\proxy.
  But i cannot enter a backslash, so i does not work.
  Is there any other way to define the proxy (e.g in a config file)?
  Or do you have any other concrete idea to solve the problem?

 I think this is a MikTeX issue or other TeX distro you are using on
 your Windows. This is not a LyX problem.

 --
 Manveru
 jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
  gg: 1624001
http://www.manveru.pl

Re: RC3 for WIndows ?

[Diego Queiroz]

Mariano,
There aren't official installers.

But there is an unnoficial installer, created by Michal. You would try it:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg86174.html


http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-users@lists.lyx.org/msg86174.htmlCheers,
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Mariano Llamedo Soria llame...@gmail.com

 Is it planed to be available for Windows ?

 Regards,
 Mariano.