Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents
2009/4/13, Niko Schwarz : > > to help sharing files, dropbox is excellent. > > Hmm interesting idea : I'll try, even if it imply using a third-party tool. I'll give it a try. -- Sincerily
Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents
> > >> >> I _really_ think this is a must have: I know someone else that is willing >> to work with LyX and propose it to her teacher, but having to tar/untar ... >> will make it _very_ difficult to accept. >> Of course, you are right about the problem of where to untar temporary >> files (as with this approach, I think un-tared files should be considered as >> temporary files from the user's point of view) but currently LyX _does_ use >> temporary files when working with an unsaved document ! >> >> That's precisely what my old implementation did: untar to the temporary > directory. > > I think that preserving the same temporary path is not decreasing the >> quality of LyX, and adds a good feature (for some people, a must have, when >> compared to the workflow some have when working with WYSIWYG applications >> like OOo or MS-Word). >> >> Yes, this model is similar to OOo, etc. Images and the like get > "embedded" within the document and lose touch with where they came from. > But it's a familiar model. Yes, that's a major drawback ! But the .zlyx could be used as an "export" file format to share with others, then one could just merge back the .lyx embedded into the .zlyx : I see this as a way one can use this feature, but some may want to use it otherwise (as everyone does when using OOo for example, reinsert the figure) Does such feature-request be proposed (once again ;-) ) in the dev ML to >> better know if your previous work may be merged now, or if the same >> disagreements still exist ? >> >> At least in some quarters, these worries still exist. > > On the other hand, I think Vincent was working on this problem a while ago. > I don't know how far he got. > > Richard > > I think this feature should be at least re-discussed. And thank you for your answers ! Etienne -- Sincerily
Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents
2009/4/13, Richard Heck : > > Etienne lepercq wrote: > >> I am new to LyX, but not as new to LaTeX : I used Kile for quiet a few >> time >> now. I would like to use LyX to work with several people on an article. As >> LyX is >> much more user-friendly than Kile, a pure LaTeX editor, I convinced my >> collaborators to give a try to LyX. >> >> There is te least one thing in LyX (and LaTeX) that is not easy to handle, >> sharing a whole document to make it modifiable by others : one have to >> build >> an archive with all figures and latex source, collaborators have to untar >> it, open LyX, read/modify/etc... and then... rebuild archive, send the >> archive, etc... >> >> This is counter-productive, not easy to use, it is a pain. One simple >> solution I see for this is to give the ability to LyX to open, say .tar >> archives, with a specific tree inside (.yx sources, then >> figures/allFigures.Whatever or something). Such archive could be called >> .lyxZ files ;-) >> >> Does such feature exist already ? I searched over FAQ/Documentation/Asked >> on >> #LyX but did not find anything more than : two implementations were made >> once, but as nobody could say which was the best... none were released !! >> >> This is not _that_ complex to implement, but is there a way to have such >> feature now, or is there a way to at least release one relatively-good >> implementation ? >> >> >> > I agree with you that there is a way to do this that makes it quite simple, > both to implement and to use. But it imposes restrictions on where you can > put files, since you can't (and don't want to) untar to arbitrary locations > in the filesystem. This bothered some people. And so it was disagreements > over how to manage these sorts of issues that led to our not releasing > anything. To my mind, this was a perfect example of the good being > sacrificed for the non-existent best, but, well, I'd really rather not have > that battle again. > > So, at present, the tar-untar routine is about all we can do. > > That said, if enough USERs thought the kind of facility you have mentioned > here was worth implementing, I'd be willing to resurrect the work I did > before and make it functional. > > Richard > > I _really_ think this is a must have: I know someone else that is willing to work with LyX and propose it to her teacher, but having to tar/untar ... will make it _very_ difficult to accept. Of course, you are right about the problem of where to untar temporary files (as with this approach, I think un-tared files should be considered as temporary files from the user's point of view) but currently LyX _does_ use temporary files when working with an unsaved document ! I think that preserving the same temporary path is not decreasing the quality of LyX, and adds a good feature (for some people, a must have, when compared to the workflow some have when working with WYSIWYG applications like OOo or MS-Word). Does such feature-request be proposed (once again ;-) ) in the dev ML to better know if your previous work may be merged now, or if the same disagreements still exist ? Etienne Lepercq -- Sincerily
Re: [Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents
2009/4/13, Richard Heck : > > Etienne lepercq wrote: > >> I am new to LyX, but not as new to LaTeX : I used Kile for quiet a few >> time >> now. I would like to use LyX to work with several people on an article. As >> LyX is >> much more user-friendly than Kile, a pure LaTeX editor, I convinced my >> collaborators to give a try to LyX. >> >> There is te least one thing in LyX (and LaTeX) that is not easy to handle, >> sharing a whole document to make it modifiable by others : one have to >> build >> an archive with all figures and latex source, collaborators have to untar >> it, open LyX, read/modify/etc... and then... rebuild archive, send the >> archive, etc... >> >> This is counter-productive, not easy to use, it is a pain. One simple >> solution I see for this is to give the ability to LyX to open, say .tar >> archives, with a specific tree inside (.yx sources, then >> figures/allFigures.Whatever or something). Such archive could be called >> .lyxZ files ;-) >> >> Does such feature exist already ? I searched over FAQ/Documentation/Asked >> on >> #LyX but did not find anything more than : two implementations were made >> once, but as nobody could say which was the best... none were released !! >> >> This is not _that_ complex to implement, but is there a way to have such >> feature now, or is there a way to at least release one relatively-good >> implementation ? >> >> >> > I agree with you that there is a way to do this that makes it quite simple, > both to implement and to use. But it imposes restrictions on where you can > put files, since you can't (and don't want to) untar to arbitrary locations > in the filesystem. This bothered some people. And so it was disagreements > over how to manage these sorts of issues that led to our not releasing > anything. To my mind, this was a perfect example of the good being > sacrificed for the non-existent best, but, well, I'd really rather not have > that battle again. > > So, at present, the tar-untar routine is about all we can do. > > That said, if enough USERs thought the kind of facility you have mentioned > here was worth implementing, I'd be willing to resurrect the work I did > before and make it functional. > > Richard > > I _really_ think this is a must have: I know someone else that is willing to work with LyX and propose it to her teacher, but having to tar/untar ... will make it _very_ difficult to accept. Of course, you are right about the problem of where to untar temporary files (as with this approach, I think un-tared files should be considered as temporary files from the user's point of view) but currently LyX _does_ use temporary files when working with an unsaved document ! I think that preserving the same temporary path is not decreasing the quality of LyX, and adds a good feature (for some people, a must have, when compared to the workflow some have when working with WYSIWYG applications like OOo or MS-Word). Does such feature-request be proposed (once again ;-) ) in the dev ML to better know if your previous work may be merged now, or if the same disagreements still exist ? Etienne Lepercq -- Sincerily
[Figure embedding] An easy way to share lyx documents
I am new to LyX, but not as new to LaTeX : I used Kile for quiet a few time now. I would like to use LyX to work with several people on an article. As LyX is much more user-friendly than Kile, a pure LaTeX editor, I convinced my collaborators to give a try to LyX. There is te least one thing in LyX (and LaTeX) that is not easy to handle, sharing a whole document to make it modifiable by others : one have to build an archive with all figures and latex source, collaborators have to untar it, open LyX, read/modify/etc... and then... rebuild archive, send the archive, etc... This is counter-productive, not easy to use, it is a pain. One simple solution I see for this is to give the ability to LyX to open, say .tar archives, with a specific tree inside (.yx sources, then figures/allFigures.Whatever or something). Such archive could be called .lyxZ files ;-) Does such feature exist already ? I searched over FAQ/Documentation/Asked on #LyX but did not find anything more than : two implementations were made once, but as nobody could say which was the best... none were released !! This is not _that_ complex to implement, but is there a way to have such feature now, or is there a way to at least release one relatively-good implementation ? Thanks a lot. Etienne Lepercq -- Sincerily
