Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Stephan Witt]

Am 05.05.2015 um 13:21 schrieb Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de:

 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:
 
 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote:
 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:
 
 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no 
 wrote:
 
 
 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:
 
 Dear LyX users,
 
 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?
 
 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.
 
 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.
 
 
 Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
 Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
 low-level details.
 
 Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
 regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
 am a Linux person? :-)
 

I'm a Unix-user with a Mac too. But there is no need to use the terminal for 
this task.
Using the Finder there is the Command-i or RBM-Info and you get a panel to set 
the file permissions.

With Windows it's similar.

 
 Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :)
 
 I don't think so - I am surprised how many are there actually when you
 look in the mailing lists of emacs, org-mode or ess (Emacs Speaks
 Statistics). I see a Mac as a hybrid: on the one side, you have the GUI
 which works perfectly (in contrast to windows...) and *requires* not
 much tinkering to make it work nearly perfect, while on the other side
 you can use easily all the Linux software (see e.g. the homebrew project
 http://brew.sh for the terminal / console software or LyX ...) - under
 the hood, OSX is not much different then Linux. So I have the best from
 both worlds, and probably the best hardware in the world.
 
 
 
 Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
 within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.
 
 I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
 would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
 addicted to the terminal!
 
 I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
 and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
 and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

I don't like the proposal to extend the open dialog. This is nearly impossible
with native dialogs and the Qt-specific dialogs look so strange.

Stephan

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.

Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
low-level details. Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be
useful, and even within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

Liviu



 Scott



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Rainer M Krug]

Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.


 Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
 Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
 low-level details.

Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
am a Linux person? :-)

 Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
 within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
addicted to the terminal!

I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red
border, independent of why they are read-only.

Cheers,

Rainer


 Liviu



 Scott

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email: Raineratkrugsdotde
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Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote:
 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.


 Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
 Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
 low-level details.

 Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
 regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
 am a Linux person? :-)


Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :)


 Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
 within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

 I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
 would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
 addicted to the terminal!

 I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
 and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
 and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

 It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red
 border, independent of why they are read-only.

Or have the tab text colored green (as Geany does it), or have the
'(ro)' flag appended to the file name (just like we have * for
modified files).

Liviu


 Cheers,

 Rainer


 Liviu



 Scott

 --
 Rainer M. Krug
 email: Raineratkrugsdotde
 PGP: 0x0F52F982



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Rainer M Krug]

Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote:
 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no 
 wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.


 Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
 Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
 low-level details.

 Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
 regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
 am a Linux person? :-)


 Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :)

I don't think so - I am surprised how many are there actually when you
look in the mailing lists of emacs, org-mode or ess (Emacs Speaks
Statistics). I see a Mac as a hybrid: on the one side, you have the GUI
which works perfectly (in contrast to windows...) and *requires* not
much tinkering to make it work nearly perfect, while on the other side
you can use easily all the Linux software (see e.g. the homebrew project
http://brew.sh for the terminal / console software or LyX ...) - under
the hood, OSX is not much different then Linux. So I have the best from
both worlds, and probably the best hardware in the world.



 Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
 within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

 I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
 would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
 addicted to the terminal!

 I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
 and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
 and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

 It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red
 border, independent of why they are read-only.

 Or have the tab text colored green (as Geany does it), or have the
 '(ro)' flag appended to the file name (just like we have * for
 modified files).

Yup - just something very visible.

Rainer


 Liviu


 Cheers,

 Rainer


 Liviu



 Scott

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 email: Raineratkrugsdotde
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UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

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Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.

Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
low-level details. Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be
useful, and even within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

Liviu



 Scott



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Rainer M Krug]

Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.


 Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
 Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
 low-level details.

Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
am a Linux person? :-)

 Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
 within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
addicted to the terminal!

I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red
border, independent of why they are read-only.

Cheers,

Rainer


 Liviu



 Scott

-- 
Rainer M. Krug
email: Raineratkrugsdotde
PGP: 0x0F52F982


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Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote:
 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.


 Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
 Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
 low-level details.

 Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
 regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
 am a Linux person? :-)


Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :)


 Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
 within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

 I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
 would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
 addicted to the terminal!

 I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
 and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
 and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

 It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red
 border, independent of why they are read-only.

Or have the tab text colored green (as Geany does it), or have the
'(ro)' flag appended to the file name (just like we have * for
modified files).

Liviu


 Cheers,

 Rainer


 Liviu



 Scott

 --
 Rainer M. Krug
 email: Raineratkrugsdotde
 PGP: 0x0F52F982



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Rainer M Krug]

Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote:
 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:

 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no 
 wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.


 Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
 Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
 low-level details.

 Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
 regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
 am a Linux person? :-)


 Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :)

I don't think so - I am surprised how many are there actually when you
look in the mailing lists of emacs, org-mode or ess (Emacs Speaks
Statistics). I see a Mac as a hybrid: on the one side, you have the GUI
which works perfectly (in contrast to windows...) and *requires* not
much tinkering to make it work nearly perfect, while on the other side
you can use easily all the Linux software (see e.g. the homebrew project
http://brew.sh for the terminal / console software or LyX ...) - under
the hood, OSX is not much different then Linux. So I have the best from
both worlds, and probably the best hardware in the world.



 Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
 within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

 I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
 would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
 addicted to the terminal!

 I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
 and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
 and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

 It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red
 border, independent of why they are read-only.

 Or have the tab text colored green (as Geany does it), or have the
 '(ro)' flag appended to the file name (just like we have * for
 modified files).

Yup - just something very visible.

Rainer


 Liviu


 Cheers,

 Rainer


 Liviu



 Scott

 --
 Rainer M. Krug
 email: Raineratkrugsdotde
 PGP: 0x0F52F982

-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, 
UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :   +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:   +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax :   +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):+49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:  rai...@krugs.de

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Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Stephan Witt]

Am 05.05.2015 um 13:21 schrieb Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de:

 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:
 
 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug rai...@krugs.de wrote:
 Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com writes:
 
 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@lyx.org wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no 
 wrote:
 
 
 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:
 
 Dear LyX users,
 
 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?
 
 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.
 
 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.
 
 
 Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
 Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
 low-level details.
 
 Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
 regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
 am a Linux person? :-)
 

I'm a Unix-user with a Mac too. But there is no need to use the terminal for 
this task.
Using the Finder there is the Command-i or RBM-Info and you get a panel to set 
the file permissions.

With Windows it's similar.

 
 Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :)
 
 I don't think so - I am surprised how many are there actually when you
 look in the mailing lists of emacs, org-mode or ess (Emacs Speaks
 Statistics). I see a Mac as a hybrid: on the one side, you have the GUI
 which works perfectly (in contrast to windows...) and *requires* not
 much tinkering to make it work nearly perfect, while on the other side
 you can use easily all the Linux software (see e.g. the homebrew project
 http://brew.sh for the terminal / console software or LyX ...) - under
 the hood, OSX is not much different then Linux. So I have the best from
 both worlds, and probably the best hardware in the world.
 
 
 
 Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
 within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.
 
 I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
 would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
 addicted to the terminal!
 
 I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
 and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
 and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

I don't like the proposal to extend the open dialog. This is nearly impossible
with native dialogs and the Qt-specific dialogs look so strange.

Stephan

Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:
>>>
>>> Dear LyX users,
>>>
>>> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
>>> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
>>> so you could not edit the current document?
>>>
>> Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
>> read-only files and will not allow editing then.
>
> Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
> is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.
>
Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
low-level details. Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be
useful, and even within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

Liviu



> Scott



-- 
Do you think you know what math is?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/ian-stewart-2013-08-02
Or what it means to be intelligent?
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/issues/john-duncan-2013-08-30
Think again:
http://www.ideasroadshow.com/library

Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Rainer M Krug]

Liviu Andronic  writes:

> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:
>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

>>> Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
>>> read-only files and will not allow editing then.
>>
>> Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
>> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
>> is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.
>>

> Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
> Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
> low-level details.

Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
am a Linux person? :-)

> Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
> within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.

I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
addicted to the terminal!

I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red
border, independent of why they are read-only.

Cheers,

Rainer

>
> Liviu
>
>
>
>> Scott

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Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Liviu Andronic]

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug  wrote:
> Liviu Andronic  writes:
>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting  wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:
>
> Dear LyX users,
>
> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
> so you could not edit the current document?
>
 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.
>>>
>>> Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
>>> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
>>> is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.
>>>
>
>> Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
>> Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
>> low-level details.
>
> Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
> regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
> am a Linux person? :-)
>

Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :)


>> Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
>> within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.
>
> I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
> would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
> addicted to the terminal!
>
> I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
> and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
> and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.
>
> It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red
> border, independent of why they are read-only.
>
Or have the tab text colored green (as Geany does it), or have the
'(ro)' flag appended to the file name (just like we have * for
modified files).

Liviu


> Cheers,
>
> Rainer
>
>>
>> Liviu
>>
>>
>>
>>> Scott
>
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Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Rainer M Krug]

Liviu Andronic  writes:

> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug  wrote:
>> Liviu Andronic  writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:
 On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting  
 wrote:
>
>
> Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:
>>
>> Dear LyX users,
>>
>> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
>> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
>> so you could not edit the current document?
>>
> Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
> read-only files and will not allow editing then.

 Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
 is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.

>>
>>> Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
>>> Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
>>> low-level details.
>>
>> Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
>> regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
>> am a Linux person? :-)
>>
>
> Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :)

I don't think so - I am surprised how many are there actually when you
look in the mailing lists of emacs, org-mode or ess (Emacs Speaks
Statistics). I see a Mac as a hybrid: on the one side, you have the GUI
which works perfectly (in contrast to windows...) and *requires* not
much tinkering to make it work nearly perfect, while on the other side
you can use easily all the Linux software (see e.g. the homebrew project
http://brew.sh for the terminal / console software or LyX ...) - under
the hood, OSX is not much different then Linux. So I have the best from
both worlds, and probably the best hardware in the world.

>
>
>>> Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
>>> within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.
>>
>> I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
>> would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
>> addicted to the terminal!
>>
>> I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
>> and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
>> and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.
>>
>> It would be quite nice, if read-only buffers would have e.g. a red
>> border, independent of why they are read-only.
>>
> Or have the tab text colored green (as Geany does it), or have the
> '(ro)' flag appended to the file name (just like we have * for
> modified files).

Yup - just something very visible.

Rainer

>
> Liviu
>
>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rainer
>>
>>>
>>> Liviu
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Scott
>>
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Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Stephan Witt]

Am 05.05.2015 um 13:21 schrieb Rainer M Krug :

> Liviu Andronic  writes:
> 
>> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rainer M Krug  wrote:
>>> Liviu Andronic  writes:
>>> 
 On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting  
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:
>>> 
>>> Dear LyX users,
>>> 
>>> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
>>> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
>>> so you could not edit the current document?
>>> 
>> Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
>> read-only files and will not allow editing then.
> 
> Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
> is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.
> 
>>> 
 Indeed. Setting a file read-only on the disk may work well enough for
 Linux users, but Windows or Mac users can't be bothered with such
 low-level details.
>>> 
>>> Hang on - I am a Mac user, use emacs, know (and love!) the terminal,
>>> regularly edit file permissions and owners - maybe because in my heart I
>>> am a Linux person? :-)
>>> 

I'm a Unix-user with a Mac too. But there is no need to use the terminal for 
this task.
Using the Finder there is the Command-i or RBM-Info and you get a panel to set 
the file permissions.

With Windows it's similar.

>> 
>> Mac users addicted to Emacs must be a very rare breed indeed... :)
> 
> I don't think so - I am surprised how many are there actually when you
> look in the mailing lists of emacs, org-mode or ess (Emacs Speaks
> Statistics). I see a Mac as a hybrid: on the one side, you have the GUI
> which works perfectly (in contrast to windows...) and *requires* not
> much tinkering to make it work nearly perfect, while on the other side
> you can use easily all the Linux software (see e.g. the homebrew project
> http://brew.sh for the terminal / console software or LyX ...) - under
> the hood, OSX is not much different then Linux. So I have the best from
> both worlds, and probably the best hardware in the world.
> 
>> 
>> 
 Having a quick way to set this within LyX can be useful, and even
 within the same LyX session you can set/unset this status.
>>> 
>>> I completely agree - an option to set a file read-only from within LyX
>>> would be quite useful. Even Emacs can do this - and emacs users are
>>> addicted to the terminal!
>>> 
>>> I even think this should not be hidden in a menu, but in the open dialog
>>> and in the tab itself, so that one can easily set it when opening a file
>>> and change (and see the actual status!) without having to go into a menu.

I don't like the proposal to extend the open dialog. This is nearly impossible
with native dialogs and the Qt-specific dialogs look so strange.

Stephan

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Helge Hafting]

Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about 
read-only files and will not allow editing then.


Helge Hafting

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.

Scott

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Helge Hafting]

Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about 
read-only files and will not allow editing then.


Helge Hafting

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote:


 Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
 read-only files and will not allow editing then.

Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.

Scott

Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Helge Hafting]

Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about 
read-only files and will not allow editing then.


Helge Hafting

Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Helge Hafting  wrote:
>
>
> Den 23. mars 2015 17:57, skrev Scott Kostyshak:
>>
>> Dear LyX users,
>>
>> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
>> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
>> so you could not edit the current document?
>>
> Have you tried making the file itself read-only? LyX already knows about
> read-only files and will not allow editing then.

Good point. I think the advantage of the feature being discussed at
http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692
is to give users a user-friendly way to do it inside of LyX.

Scott

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Michael Berger]

On 03/23/2015 05:57 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott

I do not see any benefit / advantage having an option of the kind 
Disable editing or Read only.


Michael Berger

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Michael Berger]

On 03/23/2015 05:57 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott

I do not see any benefit / advantage having an option of the kind 
Disable editing or Read only.


Michael Berger

Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Michael Berger]

On 03/23/2015 05:57 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott

I do not see any benefit / advantage having an option of the kind 
"Disable editing" or "Read only".


Michael Berger

Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Scott Kostyshak]

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Gordon Cooper]

 I would certainly use it. Have had a couple of instances
when I have been comparing  documents with shared
authorship and accidentally edited the wrong one.

Thanks,
Gordon

On 24/03/15 05:57, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
 without being able to edit it.

 The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
 menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
 + x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

 Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

 Best,

 Scott

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[aparsloe]

On 24/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott
I have had occasions when this would have been useful, working on a copy 
of a document with minor variations but leaving the original untouched. 
As for cluttered menus, the Insert menu is the only really cluttered 
one to my mind.


Andrew

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Richard Heck]

On 03/23/2015 04:25 PM, aparsloe wrote:

On 24/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott
I have had occasions when this would have been useful, working on a 
copy of a document with minor variations but leaving the original 
untouched. As for cluttered menus, the Insert menu is the only 
really cluttered one to my mind.


Yes, this would go on the Document menu, which is not terribly cluttered.

Richard



Andrew

Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Scott Kostyshak]

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Gordon Cooper]

 I would certainly use it. Have had a couple of instances
when I have been comparing  documents with shared
authorship and accidentally edited the wrong one.

Thanks,
Gordon

On 24/03/15 05:57, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
 Dear LyX users,

 What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
 something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
 so you could not edit the current document?

 The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
 without being able to edit it.

 The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
 menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
 + x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

 Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

 Best,

 Scott

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[aparsloe]

On 24/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott
I have had occasions when this would have been useful, working on a copy 
of a document with minor variations but leaving the original untouched. 
As for cluttered menus, the Insert menu is the only really cluttered 
one to my mind.


Andrew

Re: Disable editing / read only menu option?

[Richard Heck]

On 03/23/2015 04:25 PM, aparsloe wrote:

On 24/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like Disable editing or Read only, which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott
I have had occasions when this would have been useful, working on a 
copy of a document with minor variations but leaving the original 
untouched. As for cluttered menus, the Insert menu is the only 
really cluttered one to my mind.


Yes, this would go on the Document menu, which is not terribly cluttered.

Richard



Andrew

"Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Scott Kostyshak]

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott

Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Gordon Cooper]

 I would certainly use it. Have had a couple of instances
when I have been comparing  documents with shared
authorship and accidentally edited the wrong one.

Thanks,
Gordon

On 24/03/15 05:57, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> Dear LyX users,
>
> What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
> something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
> so you could not edit the current document?
>
> The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
> without being able to edit it.
>
> The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
> menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
> + x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.
>
> Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.
>
> Best,
>
> Scott
>

Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[aparsloe]

On 24/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott
I have had occasions when this would have been useful, working on a copy 
of a document with minor variations but leaving the original untouched. 
As for "cluttered" menus, the Insert menu is the only really cluttered 
one to my mind.


Andrew

Re: "Disable editing" / "read only" menu option?

[Richard Heck]

On 03/23/2015 04:25 PM, aparsloe wrote:

On 24/03/2015 5:57 a.m., Scott Kostyshak wrote:

Dear LyX users,

What are your thoughts on having an option in the menu called
something like "Disable editing" or "Read only", which would make it
so you could not edit the current document?

The idea would be that sometimes you just want to read a .lyx file
without being able to edit it.

The disadvantage is adding another option to an already cluttered
menu. This feature can always be activated on the command buffer (alt
+ x) with buffer-toggle-read-only.

Note that this is http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/6692.

Best,

Scott
I have had occasions when this would have been useful, working on a 
copy of a document with minor variations but leaving the original 
untouched. As for "cluttered" menus, the Insert menu is the only 
really cluttered one to my mind.


Yes, this would go on the Document menu, which is not terribly cluttered.

Richard



Andrew