Re: Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-19 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 05:14:33AM -0300, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
 I use the latest lyx 1.2.0cvs. When in math mode, typing { produces a pair
 of raw grouping braces {} instead of a pure brace \{, as in text mode. I
 posted this to lyx-devel and was informed that grouping {} are sometimes
 needed in math mode. Can someone show me an example where grouping braces
 are needed outside ERT?

{n \atop k}

{}^x

Old-style font changes.

Andre'

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Re: Re: Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-19 Thread Koen Martens

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:28:50PM +0100, Guenter Milde wrote:
 This is ERT, in normal math (i.e. in blue) one could have e.g. functionals
 like f{x(t)} but normally I would use big delimiters (M-M {) for this.
 
 Furthermore, IMHO, if { inserts a (blue) {} (similar to: \{ inserts (red){}), 
   (BTW: it does not in my lyx 1.1.6fix3), 
 then ( should insert () and [ insert [] to keep consistency.
 
 Personally, I'd prefer the straightforward { inserts a (blue) { and M-M { a
 pair of big {}.

I totally agree.

I remember a while ago i had to do a presentation together with someone who was used 
to kpresenter (part of the koffice suit as it turned out).. When inserting my 
formula's a { inserted a pair of {}, a ( a pair of () etc.. But the strange thing: 
there was no way i could get nested pairs of bracketing, like f([x,y]) for example.. 

Personally i like to be able to decide myself which brackets i want to use where and 
in what style, so if it were up to me lyx never would automatically place the closing 
bracket. 

Just my opinion..

Regards,

Koen Martens


-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Koen Martens) http://www.metro.cx/



Re: Re: Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-19 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:44:06PM +0100, Koen Martens wrote:
 Personally i like to be able to decide myself which brackets i want to
 use where and in what style, so if it were up to me lyx never would
 automatically place the closing bracket. 

It usually does not. The only exceptions I am aware of are {} for TeX
grouping - those _have_ to be paired, there is no point in allowing
unpaired ones, and the suff in DelimInset that translates to
\left...\right. Again, these have to be paired.

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-19 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 05:14:33AM -0300, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
 I use the latest lyx 1.2.0cvs. When in math mode, typing { produces a pair
 of raw grouping braces {} instead of a pure brace \{, as in text mode. I
 posted this to lyx-devel and was informed that grouping {} are sometimes
 needed in math mode. Can someone show me an example where grouping braces
 are needed outside ERT?

{n \atop k}

{}^x

Old-style font changes.

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Re: Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-19 Thread Koen Martens

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:28:50PM +0100, Guenter Milde wrote:
 This is ERT, in normal math (i.e. in blue) one could have e.g. functionals
 like f{x(t)} but normally I would use big delimiters (M-M {) for this.
 
 Furthermore, IMHO, if { inserts a (blue) {} (similar to: \{ inserts (red){}), 
   (BTW: it does not in my lyx 1.1.6fix3), 
 then ( should insert () and [ insert [] to keep consistency.
 
 Personally, I'd prefer the straightforward { inserts a (blue) { and M-M { a
 pair of big {}.

I totally agree.

I remember a while ago i had to do a presentation together with someone who was used 
to kpresenter (part of the koffice suit as it turned out).. When inserting my 
formula's a { inserted a pair of {}, a ( a pair of () etc.. But the strange thing: 
there was no way i could get nested pairs of bracketing, like f([x,y]) for example.. 

Personally i like to be able to decide myself which brackets i want to use where and 
in what style, so if it were up to me lyx never would automatically place the closing 
bracket. 

Just my opinion..

Regards,

Koen Martens


-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Koen Martens) http://www.metro.cx/



Re: Re: Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-19 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:44:06PM +0100, Koen Martens wrote:
 Personally i like to be able to decide myself which brackets i want to
 use where and in what style, so if it were up to me lyx never would
 automatically place the closing bracket. 

It usually does not. The only exceptions I am aware of are {} for TeX
grouping - those _have_ to be paired, there is no point in allowing
unpaired ones, and the suff in DelimInset that translates to
\left...\right. Again, these have to be paired.

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-19 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 05:14:33AM -0300, Joao Luis Meloni Assirati wrote:
> I use the latest lyx 1.2.0cvs. When in math mode, typing { produces a pair
> of raw grouping braces {} instead of a pure brace \{, as in text mode. I
> posted this to lyx-devel and was informed that grouping {} are sometimes
> needed in math mode. Can someone show me an example where grouping braces
> are needed outside ERT?

{n \atop k}

{}^x

Old-style font changes.

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: Re: Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-19 Thread Koen Martens

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:28:50PM +0100, Guenter Milde wrote:
> This is ERT, in normal math (i.e. in blue) one could have e.g. functionals
> like f{x(t)} but normally I would use big delimiters (M-M {) for this.
> 
> Furthermore, IMHO, if { inserts a (blue) {} (similar to: \{ inserts (red){}), 
>   (BTW: it does not in my lyx 1.1.6fix3), 
> then ( should insert () and [ insert [] to keep consistency.
> 
> Personally, I'd prefer the straightforward { inserts a (blue) { and M-M { a
> pair of big {}.

I totally agree.

I remember a while ago i had to do a presentation together with someone who was used 
to kpresenter (part of the koffice suit as it turned out).. When inserting my 
formula's a { inserted a pair of {}, a ( a pair of () etc.. But the strange thing: 
there was no way i could get nested pairs of bracketing, like f([x,y]) for example.. 

Personally i like to be able to decide myself which brackets i want to use where and 
in what style, so if it were up to me lyx never would automatically place the closing 
bracket. 

Just my opinion..

Regards,

Koen Martens


-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Koen Martens) http://www.metro.cx/



Re: Re: Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-19 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 12:44:06PM +0100, Koen Martens wrote:
> Personally i like to be able to decide myself which brackets i want to
> use where and in what style, so if it were up to me lyx never would
> automatically place the closing bracket. 

It usually does not. The only exceptions I am aware of are {} for TeX
grouping - those _have_ to be paired, there is no point in allowing
unpaired ones, and the suff in DelimInset that translates to
\left...\right. Again, these have to be paired.

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-18 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati


Hello,

I use the latest lyx 1.2.0cvs. When in math mode, typing { produces a pair
of raw grouping braces {} instead of a pure brace \{, as in text mode. I
posted this to lyx-devel and was informed that grouping {} are sometimes
needed in math mode. Can someone show me an example where grouping braces
are needed outside ERT?

Thank you,

Joao Luis.




Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-18 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati


Hello,

I use the latest lyx 1.2.0cvs. When in math mode, typing { produces a pair
of raw grouping braces {} instead of a pure brace \{, as in text mode. I
posted this to lyx-devel and was informed that grouping {} are sometimes
needed in math mode. Can someone show me an example where grouping braces
are needed outside ERT?

Thank you,

Joao Luis.




Brace grouping in math mode.

2002-03-18 Thread Joao Luis Meloni Assirati


Hello,

I use the latest lyx 1.2.0cvs. When in math mode, typing { produces a pair
of raw grouping braces {} instead of a pure brace \{, as in text mode. I
posted this to lyx-devel and was informed that grouping {} are sometimes
needed in math mode. Can someone show me an example where grouping braces
are needed outside ERT?

Thank you,

Joao Luis.