Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Pavel,

thanks.

I understand the wider issue, and generally don't like these bait and
switch tactics which one encounters once in a while.

greetings, el

On 2020-04-20 14:00 , Pavel Sanda wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 08:33:27AM +0200, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>> Again, and considerations of not breaking the Open Source ideology
>> aside, can this issue be solved by funding a license?
>
> The problem is not really lyx-specific.  Our main goal is to produce
> source code.  So at the end it is the users ditribution who needs to
> ship certain version of Qt.  Possible year-lag is not a huge problem.
>
> What is concerning here is rather whole Qt-KDE community interaction.
> Nontrivial percentage of Qt contributions comes from OSS comunity
> around.  Now, being such developer, are you going to accept that you
> need to pay for your own work if you need the fix soon?  The worst
> possible outcome could be forking Qt by the OSS community and that's
> where the "interesting" times would start :) It wouldn't help the
> long-term future of the codebase neither for Qt-company nor for the
> OSS community, but it might happen if QtC decide that mid-term revenue
> is most important thing now.
>
> For LyX itself there is not much to worry about, we'll likely just
> follow the big players like KDE or distributions choice :)
>
> Pavel
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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[Pavel Sanda]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 08:33:27AM +0200, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> Again, and considerations of not breaking the Open Source ideology
> aside, can this issue be solved by funding a license?

The problem is not really lyx-specific. Our main goal is to produce
source code. So at the end it is the users ditribution who needs to
ship certain version of Qt. Possible year-lag is not a huge problem.

What is concerning here is rather whole Qt-KDE community interaction.
Nontrivial percentage of Qt contributions comes from OSS comunity around.  Now,
being such developer, are you going to accept that you need to pay for your own
work if you need the fix soon? The worst possible outcome could be forking Qt
by the OSS community and that's where the "interesting" times would start :)
It wouldn't help the long-term future of the codebase neither for Qt-company nor
for the OSS community, but it might happen if QtC decide that mid-term revenue
is most important thing now.

For LyX itself there is not much to worry about, we'll likely just follow the
big players like KDE or distributions choice :)

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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[Pavel Sanda]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:52:49AM -0700, John White wrote:
> I have marked this email as important as I might need it in the future.  

Googling "lyx debian" gives me for the 4th result: 
https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/LyXOnDebian
with the key command included...

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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Again, and considerations of not breaking the Open Source ideology
aside, can this issue be solved by funding a license?

el

On 2020-04-16 23:14 , Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Le 16/04/2020 à 22:46, Richard Kimberly Heck a écrit :
>> The problem would be that the version of Qt that Debian or Fedora or
>> whatever has (and what we can link into the Windows binary, etc) would
>> lag behind what's available to paying customers and so would not have
>> the latest bug fixes, etc. That's not ideal, but it's not catastrophic
>> either.
> 
> It seems that new features in Qt are only 3d and virtual reality these
> days... I am not sure that we'll lose much.
> 
> The issue might be though with bugs experienced with new versions of
> windows or macOS.
> 
> JMatc

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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 16/04/2020 à 22:46, Richard Kimberly Heck a écrit :
The problem would be that the version of Qt that Debian or Fedora or 
whatever has (and what we can link into the Windows binary, etc) would 
lag behind what's available to paying customers and so would not have 
the latest bug fixes, etc. That's not ideal, but it's not catastrophic 
either.


It seems that new features in Qt are only 3d and virtual reality these 
days... I am not sure that we'll lose much.


The issue might be though with bugs experienced with new versions of 
windows or macOS.


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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 4/16/20 2:52 PM, John White wrote:
>
> bottom post
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:42:38 AM PDT F M Salter wrote:
>
> > Hi
>
> >
>
> > Pavel Sanda
>
> >
> 
> > el+Sanda%22> Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:04:04 -0700
>
> >
> 
> > 16>
>
> > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 02:24:32PM +0100, F M Salter wrote:
>
> > > I have tried every combination of configuration parameters from the
>
> > > simplest to the most complete without success.
>
> >
>
> > So you did
>
> >
>
> > apt-get build-dep lyx
>
> >
>
> > to start with, right?
>
> >
>
> > Pavel
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Pavel,
>
> > You were absolutely correct. I had not done that. Doing that solved
>
> > all my problems. Thank you very much.
>
> > Regards
>
> > Frank Salter
>
>  
>
> I have marked this email as important as I might need it in the future.
>
>  
>
> I have used lyx for many years and like Charlie just go to the Debian
> (currently Buster) repository and download it (currently repository
> has 2.3.2-1). Works fine with texlive. However I keep hearing that the
> QT people's efforts to monetize QT may start to give lyx problems.
>
The problem would be that the version of Qt that Debian or Fedora or
whatever has (and what we can link into the Windows binary, etc) would
lag behind what's available to paying customers and so would not have
the latest bug fixes, etc. That's not ideal, but it's not catastrophic
either.

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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[John White]

bottom post

On Thursday, April 16, 2020 9:42:38 AM PDT F M Salter wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Pavel Sanda
>  el+Sanda%22> Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:04:04 -0700
>  16>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 02:24:32PM +0100, F M Salter wrote:
> > I have tried every combination of configuration parameters from the
> > simplest to the most complete without success.
> 
> So you did
> 
> apt-get build-dep lyx
> 
> to start with, right?
> 
> Pavel
> 
> 
> Pavel,
> You were absolutely correct.  I had not done that.  Doing that solved
> all my problems. Thank you very much.
> Regards
> Frank Salter

I have marked this email as important as I might need it in the future.  

I have used lyx for many years and like Charlie just go  to the Debian 
(currently 
Buster) repository and download it (currently repository has 2.3.2-1).  Works 
fine 
with texlive.  However I keep hearing that the QT people's efforts to monetize 
QT 
may start to give lyx problems.

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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[F M Salter]

Hi

Pavel Sanda 
 
Thu, 16 Apr 2020 07:04:04 -0700 
 



On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 02:24:32PM +0100, F M Salter wrote:

I have tried every combination of configuration parameters from the simplest
to the most complete without success.


So you did

apt-get build-dep lyx

to start with, right?

Pavel


Pavel,
   You were absolutely correct.  I had not done that.  Doing that solved all my 
problems.
Thank you very much.
Regards
Frank Salter

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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[F M Salter]

Hi

Charlie 
<https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=lyx-users@lists.lyx.org=from:%22Charlie%22> 
Thu, 16 Apr 2020 06:12:04 -0700 
<https://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=lyx-users@lists.lyx.org=date:20200416> 



On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:36:32 +0100 F informed me of Compiling LyX in
debian buster


Hi,

    I and others have failed to compile lyx in several debian
versions 
over many years -- all because of problems in accessing QT.


    At the moment I am trying to compile in buster unsuccessfully.  
Does any one know what needs to be set in the configuration.


Regards

Frank Salter


Responded thus:

Am probably speaking out of turn. Maybe the important word is
"compile". If so please ignore this, because it is just noise.

At the risk of bringing the devil to the door:

I have used LyX for so many years with so many Debian versions, Buster
and Bullseye at the moment, many before that. Have to admit that it
has always installed successfully from the Debian repository, each
time. Never had to do anything special with QT.

Always worked straight up, and with a little tweaking of paths, locked
into all LyX documents of which there are thousands. on a new
internal, or external hard drive.

Why do you need to "compile" it when using Debian? I am interested.

Charlie

Debian is never up to date.  Moving LyX documents from one machine to 
another is a pain when the versions are different.
So it is to keep in line with current versions of LyX on other machines.
Regards
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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[Pavel Sanda]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 02:24:32PM +0100, F M Salter wrote:
> I have tried every combination of configuration parameters from the simplest
> to the most complete without success.

So you did 

apt-get build-dep lyx

to start with, right?

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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[F M Salter]

On 16/04/2020 13:16, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 16/04/2020 à 12:36, F M Salter a écrit :

Hi,

 I and others have failed to compile lyx in several debian 
versions over many years -- all because of problems in accessing QT.


 At the moment I am trying to compile in buster unsuccessfully. 
Does any one know what needs to be set in the configuration.


Can you tell us what you do to compile and what error you get ?

JMarc

I have tried every combination of configuration parameters from the 
simplest to the most complete without success.  Unfortunately it is very 
difficult to imagine what is intended with all the selections allowed by 
the configuration file. From my checking of the archive, this has been 
true for everyone else using debian. The directories called "qt5" appear 
in many strange locations. If you can explain what $QTDIR should refer 
to, would setting this environmental variable be sufficient to allow 
configuration Regards Frank Salter


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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[Charlie]

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:36:32 +0100 F informed me of Compiling LyX in
debian buster

>Hi,
>
>     I and others have failed to compile lyx in several debian
> versions 
>over many years -- all because of problems in accessing QT.
>
>     At the moment I am trying to compile in buster unsuccessfully.  
>Does any one know what needs to be set in the configuration.
>
>Regards
>
>Frank Salter

Responded thus:

Am probably speaking out of turn. Maybe the important word is
"compile". If so please ignore this, because it is just noise.

At the risk of bringing the devil to the door:

I have used LyX for so many years with so many Debian versions, Buster
and Bullseye at the moment, many before that. Have to admit that it
has always installed successfully from the Debian repository, each
time. Never had to do anything special with QT.

Always worked straight up, and with a little tweaking of paths, locked
into all LyX documents of which there are thousands. on a new
internal, or external hard drive.

Why do you need to "compile" it when using Debian? I am interested.

Charlie

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Compiling LyX in debian buster

[F M Salter]

Hi,

    I and others have failed to compile lyx in several debian versions 
over many years -- all because of problems in accessing QT.


    At the moment I am trying to compile in buster unsuccessfully.  
Does any one know what needs to be set in the configuration.


Regards

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Re: Compiling LyX in debian buster

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Le 16/04/2020 à 12:36, F M Salter a écrit :

Hi,

     I and others have failed to compile lyx in several debian versions 
over many years -- all because of problems in accessing QT.


     At the moment I am trying to compile in buster unsuccessfully. Does 
any one know what needs to be set in the configuration.


Can you tell us what you do to compile and what error you get ?

JMarc

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