Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
Pavel Sanda said on Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:59:27 +0200 >On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 09:37:33AM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: >> > Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. >> > >> >> Could you create such explaining page at our wiki so beginners get >> it? > >We actually have more detailed page here >https://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ListNetiquette so you could add your point >about interleaving... Yes. A great place would be https://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ListNetiquette#replying . I'll of course run it by all of you before modifying this wiki, but I think references to old-timers and senile old buggers should be removed. It's not old vs young, it's clarity vs ambiguity. Also, bottom posting is just a special case of interleave posting. Bottom posting is compatible with interleave posting, whereas top posting destroys interleave posting. I'll try to have the text, for the project's approval, in a month. Thanks! SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
Pavel Sanda said on Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:37:33 +0200 >> Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. > >Could you create such explaining page at our wiki so beginners get it? >We could add the netiquette links to initial subscribe-list emails. I probably can if given some time. It's not a hard job, but right now my personal and computer life is in a state of upheaval, with each messing up the other. So give me a month or so, and please keep reminding me. This is a task that's right up my alley. SteveT Steve Litt Summer 2022 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore/thrive.htm -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
Le 20/10/2022 à 09:07, Lorenzo Bertini a écrit : My two unrequested cents. This is a 15 mail chain where: 1. Poster is nice, gives MWE and image with result. 2. An equally nice person gives a meaningful answer linking a library and even providing an example. This could have stopped here. 3. One person complains and spawns a 12 mail conversation about the legitimacy of the question, ultimately pondering Lyx's netiquette. For me personally, in a list usually so polite and spam free... I could not agree more. JMarc -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 09:37:33AM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. > > Could you create such explaining page at our wiki so beginners get it? We actually have more detailed page here https://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/ListNetiquette so you could add your point about interleaving... Pavel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 02:29:31AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > * Be nice, pleasant and helpful > > * Interleave post > > * Trim all irrelevant quoted context > > * Before emailing: > > * Do at least 15 minutes research > * Try to make a Minimum Working Example These sound sensible to me. > Naturally, the whole concept of a MWE and instructions how to make one should > also > be explained, probably as a link to "Try to make a Minimum Working Example". > You > might even add that about 2/3 of the problems get solved without help if the > person > makes a real MWE. We have it at https://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/MinimalExample , but can link it from list netiquette statements at https://www.lyx.org/MailingLists#toc8 . > Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. Could you create such explaining page at our wiki so beginners get it? We could add the netiquette links to initial subscribe-list emails. Pavel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
Il 20/10/22 08:29, Steve Litt ha scritto: On Wed, 2022-10-19 at 11:26 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: How about a maximum of one use of "RTM" per year? Use it wisely. This is impractical, because there are so many people who ask questions without one minute's research. I would be in favor of a policy that encourages respectful, and informative, replies. The preceding sentence sounds great in theory, but in practice how do you enforce it non-selectively. What about the guy who keeps getting in little digs until the target gives it to him full force? There are people who specialize in staying just within the margins, continuously poking at their target, and then chuckle when the target is declared to have infringed the rules. You know, the LyX project should have a prominent and obvious document stating the following: * Be nice, pleasant and helpful * Interleave post * Trim all irrelevant quoted context * Before emailing: * Do at least 15 minutes research * Try to make a Minimum Working Example Naturally, the whole concept of a MWE and instructions how to make one should also be explained, probably as a link to "Try to make a Minimum Working Example". You might even add that about 2/3 of the problems get solved without help if the person makes a real MWE. Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. SteveT My two unrequested cents. This is a 15 mail chain where: 1. Poster is nice, gives MWE and image with result. 2. An equally nice person gives a meaningful answer linking a library and even providing an example. This could have stopped here. 3. One person complains and spawns a 12 mail conversation about the legitimacy of the question, ultimately pondering Lyx's netiquette. For me personally, in a list usually so polite and spam free... Things I'd rather do: - sometimes spend a little time answering off-topic questions (for me it usually is about CSS) Things I'd rather not do: - be pedantic about rules In the time I write a complaint I can usually write an answer, or even faster, ignore the mail. Just sayin' -- Lorenzo -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
On Wed, 2022-10-19 at 11:26 -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote: > How about a maximum of one use of "RTM" per year? Use it wisely. This is impractical, because there are so many people who ask questions without one minute's research. > > I would be in favor of a policy that encourages respectful, and > informative, replies. The preceding sentence sounds great in theory, but in practice how do you enforce it non-selectively. What about the guy who keeps getting in little digs until the target gives it to him full force? There are people who specialize in staying just within the margins, continuously poking at their target, and then chuckle when the target is declared to have infringed the rules. You know, the LyX project should have a prominent and obvious document stating the following: * Be nice, pleasant and helpful * Interleave post * Trim all irrelevant quoted context * Before emailing: * Do at least 15 minutes research * Try to make a Minimum Working Example Naturally, the whole concept of a MWE and instructions how to make one should also be explained, probably as a link to "Try to make a Minimum Working Example". You might even add that about 2/3 of the problems get solved without help if the person makes a real MWE. Also, interleave posting and context trimming should be explained. SteveT -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 04:02:05PM +0200, Pavel Sanda wrote: > On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 07:14:50PM +0200, Daniel wrote: > What our netiquette indeed does not cover is kindness and I find > it impossible to impose it from outside. What can we do as a > community is to decide that we might not want to scare user > newbies -- if you the only thing you have to say is RTFM, just > leave the thread and move to another one. > > I must confess though that in cases where someone is repeatedly > outsourcing his effort to *at least try* to find some solution on > his own, the RTFM might be approprite input... In my view of course, > but if there is some community sense that we should try to declare > some positive approach in the netiquette, we are free to discuss it > on this list and set our boundaries :) How about a maximum of one use of "RTM" per year? Use it wisely. I would be in favor of a policy that encourages respectful, and informative, replies. That said, I don't volunteer to lead the effort. Scott signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Few bits about netiquette (was: Drawing an arc)
On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 07:14:50PM +0200, Daniel wrote: > I meant to imply a *close* relation. Anyway, I think as long as there is an > obvious relation why you want to do something in LyX, like LaTeX stuff, it > seems to me that those questions are "okay" on the list. And some people > seem to happily answer them as well. I guess > > "This list is for questions on how to get LyX working and how to use LyX" > > is (intentionally) a bit vague. Agreed. The fact that other lyx users are happy to respond to tikz question already shows it within reasonable perimeter of possible topics. If one does not like tikz question there is nothing easier than to ignore it and move to the next thread. > (Unlike, say, that bottom posting is preferable.) Good point, it maybe worth of repeating once in a while that our list netiquette nicely asks for a) bottom posting and b) not quoting irrelevant parts of the messages in the reply. Advantages of both points become very clear once there is some need to discuss some issue at depth. Alas, even some developers are lazy to respect others time and ignore it ;) What our netiquette indeed does not cover is kindness and I find it impossible to impose it from outside. What can we do as a community is to decide that we might not want to scare user newbies -- if you the only thing you have to say is RTFM, just leave the thread and move to another one. I must confess though that in cases where someone is repeatedly outsourcing his effort to *at least try* to find some solution on his own, the RTFM might be approprite input... In my view of course, but if there is some community sense that we should try to declare some positive approach in the netiquette, we are free to discuss it on this list and set our boundaries :) Pavel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
No, you didn't. Or maybe you use Windows. el On 11/10/2022 10:14, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-09 at 23:25 +0200, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: >> So, because I can include images, questions about Photoshop should be >> asked here? >> >> There are 18 Million Tikz hits on Google. >> >> el > > That's it. Life's too short to deal with a snarky annoyance machine like > Doctor > Lisse, so I've piped him to /dev/null. > > SteveT -- To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el' -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: thanks for LyX and our LyX-List [was: Drawing an arc]
Am 09.10.22 um 23:25 schrieb Dr Eberhard W Lisse: So, because I can include images, questions about Photoshop should be asked here? There are 18 Million Tikz hits on Google. That's the reason some people like to ask on this kind list Wolfgang Hi friends, I'm really thankful for all the people, who contribute to this wonderful LyX and this kind email-list. Many times I've found here important support, often I've learned about some deep mystics of LyX & LateX, and sometimes I've could help some other people with a little advice. And not totally off topic :-) theoretical physicist Carlo Rovelli has just published a nice book with short essays with the title: "There Are Places in the World Where Rules Are Less Important Than Kindness And Other Thoughts on Physics, Philosophy and the World". Might our LyX-list also in future be such a place, where kindness is more important than a gathering of RTFM's. Again, thank you all very much - bernhard -- M.B. Schiekel, Email: mb.schie...@posteo.de Homepage: https://www.mb-schiekel.de/ GnuPG: https://keys.openpgp.org/ posteo.de: SSL-Verschluesselung + Oekostrom -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
On Sun, 2022-10-09 at 23:25 +0200, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > So, because I can include images, questions about Photoshop should be > asked here? > > There are 18 Million Tikz hits on Google. > > el That's it. Life's too short to deal with a snarky annoyance machine like Doctor Lisse, so I've piped him to /dev/null. SteveT -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
Am 09.10.22 um 23:25 schrieb Dr Eberhard W Lisse: So, because I can include images, questions about Photoshop should be asked here? There are 18 Million Tikz hits on Google. That's the reason some people like to ask on this kind list Wolfgang -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
So, because I can include images, questions about Photoshop should be asked here? There are 18 Million Tikz hits on Google. el On 2022-10-07 07:32 , Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 2022-10-06 at 19:14 +0200, Daniel wrote: >> On 2022-10-06 14:29, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: >>> Computers can be used to type. >>> >>> el >>> >>> On 06/10/2022 08:41, Daniel wrote: On 04/10/2022 23:03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > What does this have to do with LyX? > > el > > LyX can be used to output LaTeX documents. TikZ can be used in LaTeX via a package. Or did you mean something more specific? Daniel >>> >> >> I meant to imply a *close* relation. Anyway, I think as long as there is >> an obvious relation why you want to do something in LyX, like LaTeX >> stuff, it seems to me that those questions are "okay" on the list. And >> some people seem to happily answer them as well. I guess >> >> "This list is for questions on how to get LyX working and how to use LyX" >> >> is (intentionally) a bit vague. (Unlike, say, that bottom posting is >> preferable.) > > Yeah, I was going to mention the top posting thing too. And if a person wants > to use > Tikz in LaTeX to include geometric figures in their LyX documents and > therefore asks > questions on the LyX list, only a wannabe list cop would object. > > You know, I just might study Tikz. It sounds interesting. > > SteveT -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
On Thu, 2022-10-06 at 19:14 +0200, Daniel wrote: > On 2022-10-06 14:29, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: > > Computers can be used to type. > > > > el > > > > On 06/10/2022 08:41, Daniel wrote: > > > On 04/10/2022 23:03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > > > > What does this have to do with LyX? > > > > > > > > el > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LyX can be used to output LaTeX documents. TikZ can be used in LaTeX via > > > a package. Or did you mean something more specific? > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > > > > I meant to imply a *close* relation. Anyway, I think as long as there is > an obvious relation why you want to do something in LyX, like LaTeX > stuff, it seems to me that those questions are "okay" on the list. And > some people seem to happily answer them as well. I guess > > "This list is for questions on how to get LyX working and how to use LyX" > > is (intentionally) a bit vague. (Unlike, say, that bottom posting is > preferable.) Yeah, I was going to mention the top posting thing too. And if a person wants to use Tikz in LaTeX to include geometric figures in their LyX documents and therefore asks questions on the LyX list, only a wannabe list cop would object. You know, I just might study Tikz. It sounds interesting. SteveT -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
On 2022-10-06 14:29, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote: Computers can be used to type. el On 06/10/2022 08:41, Daniel wrote: On 04/10/2022 23:03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: What does this have to do with LyX? el LyX can be used to output LaTeX documents. TikZ can be used in LaTeX via a package. Or did you mean something more specific? Daniel I meant to imply a *close* relation. Anyway, I think as long as there is an obvious relation why you want to do something in LyX, like LaTeX stuff, it seems to me that those questions are "okay" on the list. And some people seem to happily answer them as well. I guess "This list is for questions on how to get LyX working and how to use LyX" is (intentionally) a bit vague. (Unlike, say, that bottom posting is preferable.) Daniel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
Computers can be used to type. el On 06/10/2022 08:41, Daniel wrote: > On 04/10/2022 23:03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: >> What does this have to do with LyX? >> >> el >> >> > > LyX can be used to output LaTeX documents. TikZ can be used in LaTeX via > a package. Or did you mean something more specific? > > Daniel > > -- To email me replace 'nospam' with 'el' -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
On 04/10/2022 23:03, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: What does this have to do with LyX? el LyX can be used to output LaTeX documents. TikZ can be used in LaTeX via a package. Or did you mean something more specific? Daniel -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
What does this have to do with LyX? el -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: Drawing an arc
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 8:55 PM Dan wrote:
>
> Hello! I'm having troubles with drawing an arc. The rest of the diagram
> works fine and the code seems to parse but nothing shows up on the picture.
>
> Here's the code:
> \begin{tikzpicture}[domain=3:10]
> \draw (0,0) rectangle (3,5);
> \draw (0,0) -- (10, 0);
> \draw [<->] (2,0) -- (2,5);
> \coordinate [label=left:{$h$}] (h) at (2,2.5);
> \draw [<->] (3,-0.5) -- (10,-0.5);
> \coordinate [label=below:{$R$}] (R) at(6.5,-0.5);
> \draw (3,5) -- (5,5);
> \draw[->] (3,5) -- (5,7);
> \path (3,5) to node [above] {$v_0$} (5,8);
> \path (3,5) arc [start angle=0, end angle=45, radius=3mm];
> \coordinate [label={$\theta$}] (t) at (4, 5.1);
> \draw [dashed] plot
> (\x,{5+tan(45)*((\x)-3)-4.9*(((\x)-3)/(6.33*cos(45)))^2});
> \end{tikzpicture}
>
> The problem is the path line 4 lines above the bottom. This is practically a
> copy of a line I got out of a manual but I can't seem to make it work. The
> arc is supposed to appear in the corner next to the symbol theta. See the
> attachment. (It's a little fuzzy, but it will do.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Dan
Hi Dan,
Note that the path command will not actually draw anything, unless you
will tell it to draw the path with the optional argument, i.e.,
\path[draw].
If I understand your problem, this will also not solve it, as the arc
key draw an arc that starts at the point you mention, and not centered
around it.
If you want to draw an arc for the angle, I recommend using the angles
and quotes (for the node) libraries (for more information see
https://tikz.dev/library-angle). I attached a file with what I think
is the desired output.
Regards,
Udi
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Drawing an arc
Hello! I'm having troubles with drawing an arc. The rest of the diagram
works fine and the code seems to parse but nothing shows up on the picture.
Here's the code:
\begin{tikzpicture}[domain=3:10]
\draw (0,0) rectangle (3,5);
\draw (0,0) -- (10, 0);
\draw [<->] (2,0) -- (2,5);
\coordinate [label=left:{$h$}] (h) at (2,2.5);
\draw [<->] (3,-0.5) -- (10,-0.5);
\coordinate [label=below:{$R$}] (R) at(6.5,-0.5);
\draw (3,5) -- (5,5);
\draw[->] (3,5) -- (5,7);
\path (3,5) to node [above] {$v_0$} (5,8);
\path (3,5) arc [start angle=0, end angle=45, radius=3mm];
\coordinate [label={$\theta$}] (t) at (4, 5.1);
\draw [dashed] plot
(\x,{5+tan(45)*((\x)-3)-4.9*(((\x)-3)/(6.33*cos(45)))^2});
\end{tikzpicture}
The problem is the path line 4 lines above the bottom. This is practically
a copy of a line I got out of a manual but I can't seem to make it work.
The arc is supposed to appear in the corner next to the symbol theta. See
the attachment. (It's a little fuzzy, but it will do.)
Thanks!
-Dan
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