Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-21 Thread Richard Heck 

On 04/20/2011 12:19 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz:

Oh. You're right. Thanks.
Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
Isn't this a problem?

Yes, the UI is far from ideal. I think we should make optional (and
required) arguments part of the paragraph dialog (as we have already
with the longest label input field, which is also an optional
argument of the lists). We would lose the ability to format the
content and embed insets this way, though (at least as long as we do
not have a work area widget, as in the advances search dialog).

I've done a little work on this and hope to complete it early in the 2.1 
cycle. Conceptually, it doesn't seem that hard, and I would supposed a 
work area widget could be used. But that would be a bit harder.


Richard

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-21 Thread Richard Heck 

On 04/20/2011 12:19 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz:

Oh. You're right. Thanks.
Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
Isn't this a problem?

Yes, the UI is far from ideal. I think we should make optional (and
required) arguments part of the paragraph dialog (as we have already
with the longest label input field, which is also an optional
argument of the lists). We would lose the ability to format the
content and embed insets this way, though (at least as long as we do
not have a work area widget, as in the advances search dialog).

I've done a little work on this and hope to complete it early in the 2.1 
cycle. Conceptually, it doesn't seem that hard, and I would supposed a 
work area widget could be used. But that would be a bit harder.


Richard

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-21 Thread Richard Heck 

On 04/20/2011 12:19 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz:

Oh. You're right. Thanks.
Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
the "Opt" field as many times he/she wish.
Isn't this a problem?

Yes, the UI is far from ideal. I think we should make optional (and
required) arguments part of the paragraph dialog (as we have already
with the "longest label" input field, which is also an optional
argument of the lists). We would lose the ability to format the
content and embed insets this way, though (at least as long as we do
not have a work area widget, as in the advances search dialog).

I've done a little work on this and hope to complete it early in the 2.1 
cycle. Conceptually, it doesn't seem that hard, and I would supposed a 
work area widget could be used. But that would be a bit harder.


Richard

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :

When developing layouts, what the OptionalArgs command actually do?

I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.


It enables the InsertShort Title (bad name...) menu entry.

JMarc

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Heck 

On 04/20/2011 03:42 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :

When developing layouts, what the OptionalArgs command actually do?

I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.


It enables the InsertShort Title (bad name...) menu entry.


...which is what you use to insert optional arguments.

rh

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Diego Queiroz 
Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
We need to change this in future releases...

Anyway...

So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
OptionalArgs = 2?

---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net

 On 04/20/2011 03:42 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

 Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :

 When developing layouts, what the OptionalArgs command actually do?

 I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
 arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.


 It enables the InsertShort Title (bad name...) menu entry.

  ...which is what you use to insert optional arguments.

 rh

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Julien Rioux 

On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:

Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
We need to change this in future releases...

Anyway...

So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
OptionalArgs = 2?

---
Diego Queiroz



It is then possible to insert two Short title insets. Right?

--
Julien

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz:
 So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
 I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
 number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
 Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
 OptionalArgs = 2?

It is an integer field. If you define
OptionalArgs 2
you can insert two subsequent short titles, which will then be
output as two optional arguments to the macro, in the order you
inserted it.

Jürgen

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Diego Queiroz 
Oh. You're right. Thanks.

Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
Isn't this a problem?


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Julien Rioux jri...@physics.utoronto.ca

 On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:

 Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
 only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
 We need to change this in future releases...

 Anyway...

 So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
 I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
 number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
 Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
 OptionalArgs = 2?

 ---
 Diego Queiroz


 It is then possible to insert two Short title insets. Right?

 --
 Julien

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Diego Queiroz 
Oooops. I'm wrong again, sorry.

It seems that one can override and insert Opt fields, but they aren't
included in the source.
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz queiroz.di...@gmail.com

 Oh. You're right. Thanks.

 Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
 the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
 Isn't this a problem?


 Cheers,
 ---
 Diego Queiroz




 2011/4/20 Julien Rioux jri...@physics.utoronto.ca

 On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:

 Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
 only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
 We need to change this in future releases...

 Anyway...

 So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
 I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs
 =
 number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
 Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
 OptionalArgs = 2?

 ---
 Diego Queiroz


 It is then possible to insert two Short title insets. Right?

 --
 Julien

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz:
 Oh. You're right. Thanks.
 Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
 the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
 Isn't this a problem?

Yes, the UI is far from ideal. I think we should make optional (and
required) arguments part of the paragraph dialog (as we have already
with the longest label input field, which is also an optional
argument of the lists). We would lose the ability to format the
content and embed insets this way, though (at least as long as we do
not have a work area widget, as in the advances search dialog).

Jürgen

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :

When developing layouts, what the OptionalArgs command actually do?

I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.


It enables the InsertShort Title (bad name...) menu entry.

JMarc

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Heck 

On 04/20/2011 03:42 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :

When developing layouts, what the OptionalArgs command actually do?

I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.


It enables the InsertShort Title (bad name...) menu entry.


...which is what you use to insert optional arguments.

rh

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Diego Queiroz 
Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
We need to change this in future releases...

Anyway...

So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
OptionalArgs = 2?

---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net

 On 04/20/2011 03:42 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

 Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :

 When developing layouts, what the OptionalArgs command actually do?

 I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
 arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.


 It enables the InsertShort Title (bad name...) menu entry.

  ...which is what you use to insert optional arguments.

 rh

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Julien Rioux 

On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:

Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
We need to change this in future releases...

Anyway...

So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
OptionalArgs = 2?

---
Diego Queiroz



It is then possible to insert two Short title insets. Right?

--
Julien

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz:
 So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
 I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
 number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
 Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
 OptionalArgs = 2?

It is an integer field. If you define
OptionalArgs 2
you can insert two subsequent short titles, which will then be
output as two optional arguments to the macro, in the order you
inserted it.

Jürgen

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Diego Queiroz 
Oh. You're right. Thanks.

Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
Isn't this a problem?


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Julien Rioux jri...@physics.utoronto.ca

 On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:

 Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
 only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
 We need to change this in future releases...

 Anyway...

 So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
 I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs =
 number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
 Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
 OptionalArgs = 2?

 ---
 Diego Queiroz


 It is then possible to insert two Short title insets. Right?

 --
 Julien

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Diego Queiroz 
Oooops. I'm wrong again, sorry.

It seems that one can override and insert Opt fields, but they aren't
included in the source.
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz queiroz.di...@gmail.com

 Oh. You're right. Thanks.

 Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
 the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
 Isn't this a problem?


 Cheers,
 ---
 Diego Queiroz




 2011/4/20 Julien Rioux jri...@physics.utoronto.ca

 On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:

 Yeah, I already realized that Short title is a terrible name (since it
 only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
 We need to change this in future releases...

 Anyway...

 So is OptionalArgs a boolean field?
 I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says OptionalArgs
 =
 number of optional arguments, which means it is an integer field.
 Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
 OptionalArgs = 2?

 ---
 Diego Queiroz


 It is then possible to insert two Short title insets. Right?

 --
 Julien

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz:
 Oh. You're right. Thanks.
 Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
 the Opt field as many times he/she wish.
 Isn't this a problem?

Yes, the UI is far from ideal. I think we should make optional (and
required) arguments part of the paragraph dialog (as we have already
with the longest label input field, which is also an optional
argument of the lists). We would lose the ability to format the
content and embed insets this way, though (at least as long as we do
not have a work area widget, as in the advances search dialog).

Jürgen

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes 

Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :

When developing layouts, what the "OptionalArgs" command actually do?

I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.


It enables the Insert>Short Title (bad name...) menu entry.

JMarc

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Heck 

On 04/20/2011 03:42 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:

Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :

When developing layouts, what the "OptionalArgs" command actually do?

I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.


It enables the Insert>Short Title (bad name...) menu entry.


...which is what you use to insert optional arguments.

rh

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Diego Queiroz 
Yeah, I already realized that "Short title" is a terrible name (since it
only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
We need to change this in future releases...

Anyway...

So is "OptionalArgs" a boolean field?
I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says "OptionalArgs =
number of optional arguments", which means it is an integer field.
Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
"OptionalArgs = 2"?

---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Richard Heck 

> On 04/20/2011 03:42 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>
>> Le 20/04/2011 02:23, Diego Queiroz a écrit :
>>
>>> When developing layouts, what the "OptionalArgs" command actually do?
>>>
>>> I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional
>>> arguments of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.
>>>
>>
>> It enables the Insert>Short Title (bad name...) menu entry.
>>
>>  ...which is what you use to insert optional arguments.
>
> rh
>
>

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Julien Rioux 

On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:

Yeah, I already realized that "Short title" is a terrible name (since it
only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
We need to change this in future releases...

Anyway...

So is "OptionalArgs" a boolean field?
I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says "OptionalArgs =
number of optional arguments", which means it is an integer field.
Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
"OptionalArgs = 2"?

---
Diego Queiroz



It is then possible to insert two "Short title" insets. Right?

--
Julien

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz:
> So is "OptionalArgs" a boolean field?
> I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says "OptionalArgs =
> number of optional arguments", which means it is an integer field.
> Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
> "OptionalArgs = 2"?

It is an integer field. If you define
OptionalArgs 2
you can insert two subsequent "short titles", which will then be
output as two optional arguments to the macro, in the order you
inserted it.

Jürgen

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Diego Queiroz 
Oh. You're right. Thanks.

Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
the "Opt" field as many times he/she wish.
Isn't this a problem?


Cheers,
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Julien Rioux 

> On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I already realized that "Short title" is a terrible name (since it
>> only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
>> We need to change this in future releases...
>>
>> Anyway...
>>
>> So is "OptionalArgs" a boolean field?
>> I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says "OptionalArgs =
>> number of optional arguments", which means it is an integer field.
>> Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
>> "OptionalArgs = 2"?
>>
>> ---
>> Diego Queiroz
>>
>>
> It is then possible to insert two "Short title" insets. Right?
>
> --
> Julien
>
>

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Diego Queiroz 
Oooops. I'm wrong again, sorry.

It seems that one can override and insert "Opt" fields, but they aren't
included in the source.
---
Diego Queiroz



2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz 

> Oh. You're right. Thanks.
>
> Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
> the "Opt" field as many times he/she wish.
> Isn't this a problem?
>
>
> Cheers,
> ---
> Diego Queiroz
>
>
>
>
> 2011/4/20 Julien Rioux 
>
>> On 20/04/2011 12:01 PM, Diego Queiroz wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I already realized that "Short title" is a terrible name (since it
>>> only makes sense for captions, chapters, sections, and so on).
>>> We need to change this in future releases...
>>>
>>> Anyway...
>>>
>>> So is "OptionalArgs" a boolean field?
>>> I am asking this 'cuz the Customization documentation says "OptionalArgs
>>> =
>>> number of optional arguments", which means it is an integer field.
>>> Is the documentation wrong or there is another behavior if I set
>>> "OptionalArgs = 2"?
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Diego Queiroz
>>>
>>>
>> It is then possible to insert two "Short title" insets. Right?
>>
>> --
>> Julien
>>
>>
>

Re: Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-20 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
2011/4/20 Diego Queiroz:
> Oh. You're right. Thanks.
> Anyway, I just noted that one can override this setting copying and pasting
> the "Opt" field as many times he/she wish.
> Isn't this a problem?

Yes, the UI is far from ideal. I think we should make optional (and
required) arguments part of the paragraph dialog (as we have already
with the "longest label" input field, which is also an optional
argument of the lists). We would lose the ability to format the
content and embed insets this way, though (at least as long as we do
not have a work area widget, as in the advances search dialog).

Jürgen

Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-19 Thread Diego Queiroz 
When developing layouts, what the OptionalArgs command actually do?

I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional arguments
of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.

Could someone confirm this?


Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-19 Thread Diego Queiroz 
When developing layouts, what the OptionalArgs command actually do?

I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional arguments
of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.

Could someone confirm this?


Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz

Layout: OptionalArgs

2011-04-19 Thread Diego Queiroz 
When developing layouts, what the "OptionalArgs" command actually do?

I mean, I already know what it represents (the number of optional arguments
of the command), but it appears to do nothing on LyX.

Could someone confirm this?


Regards,
---
Diego Queiroz