Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:35:49PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
 On Fri, 18 May 2001, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
 
  On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:15:24AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
   Kathryn Andersen wrote:
 [...]
  No, I'm afraid I wasn't clear -- the title of the item (in this case, a
  story) is *just* the graphic -- I do the title in a fancy font with
  maybe some effects, to suit the tone of the particular story.
 
  So it looks like my original solution will have to be it.
 
 You maybe be able to insert some TeX just before the figure in the same
 section(?) paragraph as: [the short title]
 The stuff inside the [] should then be used by LaTeX to build the table of
 contents.

Already tried that, didn't work.

 Failing this you can use something like:
   \addtocontents{}{}
 
 I'm not sure of the format for that command but I'm sure Herbert has some
 entries on that at his help pages.

Thanks!  I've now looked, I can't seem to make it work, but at least I
have something to look for now.
 
 multicol offers some options for setting separations between columns
 (gutter width or something like that -- there are some docs that show some
 of this in the Extended manual)

Agh!  Just shows I should have RTM even further than I got.  Thanks, I
now have solved my columnsep problem!
 
 Allan. (ARRae)
 Who lives in Queensland where it's beautiful one day and perfect the next.

Kathryn Andersen
(who used to live in Queensland, where it is Too Hot)
(of course, it gets Too Hot in Melbourne too, but a different kind of Hot)
(and it certainly isn't hot at the moment...)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
What, just shoot them? asked Kadiatu.
Yes, said the Doctor, shoot them.
What happened to the sanctity of life?
It just got filed under D for desperate expediency.
Just checking.
(Doctor Who - the New Adventures: Transit by Ben Aaronovitch)
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Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:35:49PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
 On Fri, 18 May 2001, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
 
  On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:15:24AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
   Kathryn Andersen wrote:
 [...]
  No, I'm afraid I wasn't clear -- the title of the item (in this case, a
  story) is *just* the graphic -- I do the title in a fancy font with
  maybe some effects, to suit the tone of the particular story.
 
  So it looks like my original solution will have to be it.
 
 You maybe be able to insert some TeX just before the figure in the same
 section(?) paragraph as: [the short title]
 The stuff inside the [] should then be used by LaTeX to build the table of
 contents.

Already tried that, didn't work.

 Failing this you can use something like:
   \addtocontents{}{}
 
 I'm not sure of the format for that command but I'm sure Herbert has some
 entries on that at his help pages.

Thanks!  I've now looked, I can't seem to make it work, but at least I
have something to look for now.
 
 multicol offers some options for setting separations between columns
 (gutter width or something like that -- there are some docs that show some
 of this in the Extended manual)

Agh!  Just shows I should have RTM even further than I got.  Thanks, I
now have solved my columnsep problem!
 
 Allan. (ARRae)
 Who lives in Queensland where it's beautiful one day and perfect the next.

Kathryn Andersen
(who used to live in Queensland, where it is Too Hot)
(of course, it gets Too Hot in Melbourne too, but a different kind of Hot)
(and it certainly isn't hot at the moment...)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
What, just shoot them? asked Kadiatu.
Yes, said the Doctor, shoot them.
What happened to the sanctity of life?
It just got filed under D for desperate expediency.
Just checking.
(Doctor Who - the New Adventures: Transit by Ben Aaronovitch)
-- 
 _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/  \|   http://www.katspace.com
\_.--.*/|   
  v | #include standard/disclaimer.h
| Melbourne - Victoria - Australia - Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha!  |   - Earth - Sol - Milky Way Galaxy - Universe

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 01:35:49PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2001, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:15:24AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> > > Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> [...]
> > No, I'm afraid I wasn't clear -- the title of the item (in this case, a
> > story) is *just* the graphic -- I do the title in a fancy font with
> > maybe some effects, to suit the tone of the particular story.
> >
> > So it looks like my original solution will have to be it.
> 
> You maybe be able to insert some TeX just before the figure in the same
> section(?) paragraph as: [the short title]
> The stuff inside the [] should then be used by LaTeX to build the table of
> contents.

Already tried that, didn't work.

> Failing this you can use something like:
>   \addtocontents{}{}
> 
> I'm not sure of the format for that command but I'm sure Herbert has some
> entries on that at his help pages.

Thanks!  I've now looked, I can't seem to make it work, but at least I
have something to look for now.
 
> multicol offers some options for setting separations between columns
> (gutter width or something like that -- there are some docs that show some
> of this in the Extended manual)

Agh!  Just shows I should have RTM even further than I got.  Thanks, I
now have solved my columnsep problem!
 
> Allan. (ARRae)
> Who lives in Queensland where it's beautiful one day and perfect the next.

Kathryn Andersen
(who used to live in Queensland, where it is Too Hot)
(of course, it gets Too Hot in Melbourne too, but a different kind of Hot)
(and it certainly isn't hot at the moment...)
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"What, just shoot them?" asked Kadiatu.
"Yes," said the Doctor, "shoot them."
"What happened to the sanctity of life?"
"It just got filed under D for desperate expediency."
"Just checking."
(Doctor Who - the New Adventures: "Transit" by Ben Aaronovitch)
-- 
 _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
/  \|   
\_.--.*/|   
  v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h"
| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha!  |   -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:21:20AM +1000, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
 Hello everyone!
 I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
 publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
 features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
 appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
 know it, right?
 
 Unfortunately, my publication (an amateur fiction magazine) is not a
 technical journal or a thesis or a tretise, it's a bit more colourful
 and less formal than that -- which means for certain things, I have had
 to do battle with LyX instead of working with it.

OK, to be honest, I think that for writing in your own layout, you NEED 
to learn LaTeX. I am sorry to say that. On the other hand, it is really 
not so bad as it seems to be. Get a copy of LaTeX Companion and read  it
-- I am not a computer scientist (actually, I am a lawyer) and it  was
not so bad even for me (although, I usually use pretty boring mainstream 
default stuff).

Happy LyXing and welcome on board!

Matej

Fwd: Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[EagleIce]

On Thursday 17 May 2001 06:15, Herbert Voss wrote:
[snip]

 a lot special stuff, you need! this is more than a
 little bit of special latex commands but its always
 possible.

 Herbert

Wow! Herbert, you keep surprising me.
Ain't LyX swell folk's? I really love it...:-)

Cheers,

ei



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@ Running SuSE Linux 7.1 at home @
@ Caldera OL eDesktop 2.4 at work ~~~@

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:15:24AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
 Kathryn Andersen wrote:
 
  Hello everyone!
  I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
  publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
  features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
  appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
  know it, right?
 
 yes and no ;-) this depends to your text

And as has been said by someone else, I'll probably have to learn it.
Or at least, some of it.
Fair enough.
 
  For example, instead of having numbered chapters in boring font, my
  'zine uses a fancy graphic for the title of each story.  Which means I
  cannot take advantage of one of the most attractive features of LyX, the
  automatic table of contents generation.  Now, after RTMing, I think I
  have found a way around this -- insert the EPS graphic in a Chapter*
  section, insert a Label, and then build the table of contents mostly by
  hand, but insert a Pageref at the spot where the page number should be.
  Is there an easier way of doing this?
 
 yes,
 http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/LaTeX/chapterPic.html
 and you have a table of contents as usual

No, I'm afraid I wasn't clear -- the title of the item (in this case, a
story) is *just* the graphic -- I do the title in a fancy font with
maybe some effects, to suit the tone of the particular story.

So it looks like my original solution will have to be it.
 
  And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
  columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
  Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
  a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
  right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
  is too narrow.
 
 this is possible, but not without some latex stuff.
And this latex stuff is...?
 
  There are a few other things I'm not certain if I can do in LyX.  I have
  read the fancyhdr documentation, so I know how to put the page-numbers
  where I want to -- but is there a way I can put a graphic around the
  page-number?  (My 'zine originally put the page numbers inside a little
  hexagon) 
 
 no problem :-)
 \hexagon from package wasysym and page

Okay, so how do I get the page number *inside* the hexagon?  (And make
the hexagon big enough for me to do this sensibly?)
 
  Likewise, is there a way of putting writing inside a graphic
  in the main body of the text?  (For example, a graphic of a fancy
  border, with a poem inside of it)
 
 also possible, the graphic is like a background image

So how do I make a background image on only one page?
I saw there was a package around to put a background image on *all* the
pages, but that isn't what I want.
 
  Another question I have is, is there a way of having a mixture of
  two-column and one-column layout?  The bulk of the 'zine needs to be
  two-column, but the table of contents and the editorial need to be
  one-column.  And the poetry needs to be one-column too.
 
 package multicol

Okay, cool.
Now, I try with multicol to change the column separation, with this
command in the preamble:

\renewcommand{\columnsep}{6mm}

and I get the following error:
Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted)

and then it goes on to tell me that various measures are legal for
dimensions *including mm*

So I figure it's being paranoid, and use the command

\renewcommand{\columnsep}{30pt}

and I get the same error!  What gives?
 
 a lot special stuff, you need! this is more than a
 little bit of special latex commands but its always
 possible.

I expect I will have to learn how to write my own package once I figure
out everything I need.

Thanks for all your help.

Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology:
There's always one more bug.
-- 
 _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/  \|   http://www.katspace.com
\_.--.*/|   
  v | #include standard/disclaimer.h
| Melbourne - Victoria - Australia - Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha!  |   - Earth - Sol - Milky Way Galaxy - Universe

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Allan Rae]

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Kathryn Andersen wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:15:24AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
  Kathryn Andersen wrote:
[...]
 No, I'm afraid I wasn't clear -- the title of the item (in this case, a
 story) is *just* the graphic -- I do the title in a fancy font with
 maybe some effects, to suit the tone of the particular story.

 So it looks like my original solution will have to be it.

You maybe be able to insert some TeX just before the figure in the same
section(?) paragraph as: [the short title]
The stuff inside the [] should then be used by LaTeX to build the table of
contents.  Failing this you can use something like:
\addtocontents{}{}

I'm not sure of the format for that command but I'm sure Herbert has some
entries on that at his help pages.

   And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
   columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
   Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
   a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
   right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
   is too narrow.
 
  this is possible, but not without some latex stuff.
 And this latex stuff is...?

multicol offers some options for setting separations between columns
(gutter width or something like that -- there are some docs that show some
of this in the Extended manual)

Setting table widths may require you to use raw LaTeX for the whole table
because we don't support the tabularx package at present and it seems the
best option for what you want.  You could just use our existing table
support and then for the final fiddling export to LaTeX, convert all
tabular to tabularx and then add an optional arguement to define the table
width.  I'm guessing this would involve something like:
sed  yourfile.tex  newfile.tex \
-e 's/{tabular}/{tabularx}[\columnwidth]/'

[...lots of questions I don't know the answers to...]

Allan. (ARRae)
Who lives in Queensland where it's beautiful one day and perfect the next.

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:21:20AM +1000, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
 Hello everyone!
 I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
 publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
 features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
 appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
 know it, right?
 
 Unfortunately, my publication (an amateur fiction magazine) is not a
 technical journal or a thesis or a tretise, it's a bit more colourful
 and less formal than that -- which means for certain things, I have had
 to do battle with LyX instead of working with it.

OK, to be honest, I think that for writing in your own layout, you NEED 
to learn LaTeX. I am sorry to say that. On the other hand, it is really 
not so bad as it seems to be. Get a copy of LaTeX Companion and read  it
-- I am not a computer scientist (actually, I am a lawyer) and it  was
not so bad even for me (although, I usually use pretty boring mainstream 
default stuff).

Happy LyXing and welcome on board!

Matej

Fwd: Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[EagleIce]

On Thursday 17 May 2001 06:15, Herbert Voss wrote:
[snip]

 a lot special stuff, you need! this is more than a
 little bit of special latex commands but its always
 possible.

 Herbert

Wow! Herbert, you keep surprising me.
Ain't LyX swell folk's? I really love it...:-)

Cheers,

ei



-- 
@~~~ EagleIce  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~@
@ Running SuSE Linux 7.1 at home @
@ Caldera OL eDesktop 2.4 at work ~~~@

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:15:24AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
 Kathryn Andersen wrote:
 
  Hello everyone!
  I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
  publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
  features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
  appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
  know it, right?
 
 yes and no ;-) this depends to your text

And as has been said by someone else, I'll probably have to learn it.
Or at least, some of it.
Fair enough.
 
  For example, instead of having numbered chapters in boring font, my
  'zine uses a fancy graphic for the title of each story.  Which means I
  cannot take advantage of one of the most attractive features of LyX, the
  automatic table of contents generation.  Now, after RTMing, I think I
  have found a way around this -- insert the EPS graphic in a Chapter*
  section, insert a Label, and then build the table of contents mostly by
  hand, but insert a Pageref at the spot where the page number should be.
  Is there an easier way of doing this?
 
 yes,
 http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/LaTeX/chapterPic.html
 and you have a table of contents as usual

No, I'm afraid I wasn't clear -- the title of the item (in this case, a
story) is *just* the graphic -- I do the title in a fancy font with
maybe some effects, to suit the tone of the particular story.

So it looks like my original solution will have to be it.
 
  And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
  columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
  Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
  a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
  right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
  is too narrow.
 
 this is possible, but not without some latex stuff.
And this latex stuff is...?
 
  There are a few other things I'm not certain if I can do in LyX.  I have
  read the fancyhdr documentation, so I know how to put the page-numbers
  where I want to -- but is there a way I can put a graphic around the
  page-number?  (My 'zine originally put the page numbers inside a little
  hexagon) 
 
 no problem :-)
 \hexagon from package wasysym and page

Okay, so how do I get the page number *inside* the hexagon?  (And make
the hexagon big enough for me to do this sensibly?)
 
  Likewise, is there a way of putting writing inside a graphic
  in the main body of the text?  (For example, a graphic of a fancy
  border, with a poem inside of it)
 
 also possible, the graphic is like a background image

So how do I make a background image on only one page?
I saw there was a package around to put a background image on *all* the
pages, but that isn't what I want.
 
  Another question I have is, is there a way of having a mixture of
  two-column and one-column layout?  The bulk of the 'zine needs to be
  two-column, but the table of contents and the editorial need to be
  one-column.  And the poetry needs to be one-column too.
 
 package multicol

Okay, cool.
Now, I try with multicol to change the column separation, with this
command in the preamble:

\renewcommand{\columnsep}{6mm}

and I get the following error:
Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted)

and then it goes on to tell me that various measures are legal for
dimensions *including mm*

So I figure it's being paranoid, and use the command

\renewcommand{\columnsep}{30pt}

and I get the same error!  What gives?
 
 a lot special stuff, you need! this is more than a
 little bit of special latex commands but its always
 possible.

I expect I will have to learn how to write my own package once I figure
out everything I need.

Thanks for all your help.

Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology:
There's always one more bug.
-- 
 _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/  \|   http://www.katspace.com
\_.--.*/|   
  v | #include standard/disclaimer.h
| Melbourne - Victoria - Australia - Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha!  |   - Earth - Sol - Milky Way Galaxy - Universe

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Allan Rae]

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Kathryn Andersen wrote:

 On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:15:24AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
  Kathryn Andersen wrote:
[...]
 No, I'm afraid I wasn't clear -- the title of the item (in this case, a
 story) is *just* the graphic -- I do the title in a fancy font with
 maybe some effects, to suit the tone of the particular story.

 So it looks like my original solution will have to be it.

You maybe be able to insert some TeX just before the figure in the same
section(?) paragraph as: [the short title]
The stuff inside the [] should then be used by LaTeX to build the table of
contents.  Failing this you can use something like:
\addtocontents{}{}

I'm not sure of the format for that command but I'm sure Herbert has some
entries on that at his help pages.

   And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
   columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
   Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
   a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
   right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
   is too narrow.
 
  this is possible, but not without some latex stuff.
 And this latex stuff is...?

multicol offers some options for setting separations between columns
(gutter width or something like that -- there are some docs that show some
of this in the Extended manual)

Setting table widths may require you to use raw LaTeX for the whole table
because we don't support the tabularx package at present and it seems the
best option for what you want.  You could just use our existing table
support and then for the final fiddling export to LaTeX, convert all
tabular to tabularx and then add an optional arguement to define the table
width.  I'm guessing this would involve something like:
sed  yourfile.tex  newfile.tex \
-e 's/{tabular}/{tabularx}[\columnwidth]/'

[...lots of questions I don't know the answers to...]

Allan. (ARRae)
Who lives in Queensland where it's beautiful one day and perfect the next.

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Matej Cepl]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 07:21:20AM +1000, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> Hello everyone!
> I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
> publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
> features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
> appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
> know it, right?
> 
> Unfortunately, my publication (an amateur fiction magazine) is not a
> technical journal or a thesis or a tretise, it's a bit more colourful
> and less formal than that -- which means for certain things, I have had
> to do battle with LyX instead of working with it.

OK, to be honest, I think that for writing in your own layout, you NEED 
to learn LaTeX. I am sorry to say that. On the other hand, it is really 
not so bad as it seems to be. Get a copy of LaTeX Companion and read  it
-- I am not a computer scientist (actually, I am a lawyer) and it  was
not so bad even for me (although, I usually use pretty boring mainstream 
default stuff).

Happy LyXing and welcome on board!

Matej

Fwd: Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[EagleIce]

On Thursday 17 May 2001 06:15, Herbert Voss wrote:
[snip]

> a lot special stuff, you need! this is more than a
> little bit of special latex commands but its always
> possible.
>
> Herbert

Wow! Herbert, you keep surprising me.
Ain't LyX swell folk's? I really love it...:-)

Cheers,

ei



-- 
@~~~ EagleIce  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~@
@ Running SuSE Linux 7.1 at home @
@ Caldera OL eDesktop 2.4 at work ~~~@

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:15:24AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone!
> > I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
> > publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
> > features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
> > appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
> > know it, right?
> 
> yes and no ;-) this depends to your text

And as has been said by someone else, I'll probably have to learn it.
Or at least, some of it.
Fair enough.
 
> > For example, instead of having numbered chapters in boring font, my
> > 'zine uses a fancy graphic for the title of each story.  Which means I
> > cannot take advantage of one of the most attractive features of LyX, the
> > automatic table of contents generation.  Now, after RTMing, I think I
> > have found a way around this -- insert the EPS graphic in a Chapter*
> > section, insert a Label, and then build the table of contents mostly by
> > hand, but insert a Pageref at the spot where the page number should be.
> > Is there an easier way of doing this?
> 
> yes,
> http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/LaTeX/chapterPic.html
> and you have a table of contents as usual

No, I'm afraid I wasn't clear -- the title of the item (in this case, a
story) is *just* the graphic -- I do the title in a fancy font with
maybe some effects, to suit the tone of the particular story.

So it looks like my original solution will have to be it.
 
> > And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
> > columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
> > Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
> > a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
> > right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
> > is too narrow.
> 
> this is possible, but not without some latex stuff.
And this latex stuff is...?
 
> > There are a few other things I'm not certain if I can do in LyX.  I have
> > read the fancyhdr documentation, so I know how to put the page-numbers
> > where I want to -- but is there a way I can put a graphic around the
> > page-number?  (My 'zine originally put the page numbers inside a little
> > hexagon) 
> 
> no problem :-)
> \hexagon from package wasysym and page

Okay, so how do I get the page number *inside* the hexagon?  (And make
the hexagon big enough for me to do this sensibly?)
 
>  Likewise, is there a way of putting writing inside a graphic
> > in the main body of the text?  (For example, a graphic of a fancy
> > border, with a poem inside of it)
> 
> also possible, the graphic is like a background image

So how do I make a background image on only one page?
I saw there was a package around to put a background image on *all* the
pages, but that isn't what I want.
 
> > Another question I have is, is there a way of having a mixture of
> > two-column and one-column layout?  The bulk of the 'zine needs to be
> > two-column, but the table of contents and the editorial need to be
> > one-column.  And the poetry needs to be one-column too.
> 
> package multicol

Okay, cool.
Now, I try with multicol to change the column separation, with this
command in the preamble:

\renewcommand{\columnsep}{6mm}

and I get the following error:
Illegal unit of measure (pt inserted)

and then it goes on to tell me that various measures are legal for
dimensions *including mm*

So I figure it's being paranoid, and use the command

\renewcommand{\columnsep}{30pt}

and I get the same error!  What gives?
 
> a lot special stuff, you need! this is more than a
> little bit of special latex commands but its always
> possible.

I expect I will have to learn how to write my own package once I figure
out everything I need.

Thanks for all your help.

Kathryn Andersen
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There's always one more bug.
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Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Allan Rae]

On Fri, 18 May 2001, Kathryn Andersen wrote:

> On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 06:15:24AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> > Kathryn Andersen wrote:
[...]
> No, I'm afraid I wasn't clear -- the title of the item (in this case, a
> story) is *just* the graphic -- I do the title in a fancy font with
> maybe some effects, to suit the tone of the particular story.
>
> So it looks like my original solution will have to be it.

You maybe be able to insert some TeX just before the figure in the same
section(?) paragraph as: [the short title]
The stuff inside the [] should then be used by LaTeX to build the table of
contents.  Failing this you can use something like:
\addtocontents{}{}

I'm not sure of the format for that command but I'm sure Herbert has some
entries on that at his help pages.

> > > And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
> > > columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
> > > Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
> > > a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
> > > right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
> > > is too narrow.
> >
> > this is possible, but not without some latex stuff.
> And this latex stuff is...?

multicol offers some options for setting separations between columns
(gutter width or something like that -- there are some docs that show some
of this in the Extended manual)

Setting table widths may require you to use raw LaTeX for the whole table
because we don't support the tabularx package at present and it seems the
best option for what you want.  You could just use our existing table
support and then for the final fiddling export to LaTeX, convert all
tabular to tabularx and then add an optional arguement to define the table
width.  I'm guessing this would involve something like:
sed < yourfile.tex > newfile.tex \
-e 's/{tabular}/{tabularx}[\columnwidth]/'

[...lots of questions I don't know the answers to...]

Allan. (ARRae)
Who lives in Queensland where it's beautiful one day and perfect the next.

Lyx non-technical writing

[Kathryn Andersen]

Hello everyone!
I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
know it, right?

Unfortunately, my publication (an amateur fiction magazine) is not a
technical journal or a thesis or a tretise, it's a bit more colourful
and less formal than that -- which means for certain things, I have had
to do battle with LyX instead of working with it.

For example, instead of having numbered chapters in boring font, my
'zine uses a fancy graphic for the title of each story.  Which means I
cannot take advantage of one of the most attractive features of LyX, the
automatic table of contents generation.  Now, after RTMing, I think I
have found a way around this -- insert the EPS graphic in a Chapter*
section, insert a Label, and then build the table of contents mostly by
hand, but insert a Pageref at the spot where the page number should be.
Is there an easier way of doing this?

And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
is too narrow.

There are a few other things I'm not certain if I can do in LyX.  I have
read the fancyhdr documentation, so I know how to put the page-numbers
where I want to -- but is there a way I can put a graphic around the
page-number?  (My 'zine originally put the page numbers inside a little
hexagon)  Likewise, is there a way of putting writing inside a graphic
in the main body of the text?  (For example, a graphic of a fancy
border, with a poem inside of it)

Another question I have is, is there a way of having a mixture of
two-column and one-column layout?  The bulk of the 'zine needs to be
two-column, but the table of contents and the editorial need to be
one-column.  And the poetry needs to be one-column too.

advTHANKSance

Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Stephen? Stephen, there's a Martian war machine parked outside. They'd
like to have a word with you about the common cold.
'Tell them to make an appointment.'
-- Vance Hendricks and Dr. Franklin, Infection (Babylon 5)
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Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Herbert Voss]

Kathryn Andersen wrote:

 Hello everyone!
 I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
 publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
 features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
 appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
 know it, right?

yes and no ;-) this depends to your text


 For example, instead of having numbered chapters in boring font, my
 'zine uses a fancy graphic for the title of each story.  Which means I
 cannot take advantage of one of the most attractive features of LyX, the
 automatic table of contents generation.  Now, after RTMing, I think I
 have found a way around this -- insert the EPS graphic in a Chapter*
 section, insert a Label, and then build the table of contents mostly by
 hand, but insert a Pageref at the spot where the page number should be.
 Is there an easier way of doing this?

yes,
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/LaTeX/chapterPic.html
and you have a table of contents as usual

 And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
 columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
 Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
 a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
 right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
 is too narrow.

this is possible, but not without some latex stuff.

 
 There are a few other things I'm not certain if I can do in LyX.  I have
 read the fancyhdr documentation, so I know how to put the page-numbers
 where I want to -- but is there a way I can put a graphic around the
 page-number?  (My 'zine originally put the page numbers inside a little
 hexagon) 

no problem :-)
\hexagon from package wasysym and page

 Likewise, is there a way of putting writing inside a graphic
 in the main body of the text?  (For example, a graphic of a fancy
 border, with a poem inside of it)

also possible, the graphic is like a background image


 Another question I have is, is there a way of having a mixture of
 two-column and one-column layout?  The bulk of the 'zine needs to be
 two-column, but the table of contents and the editorial need to be
 one-column.  And the poetry needs to be one-column too.

package multicol


a lot special stuff, you need! this is more than a
little bit of special latex commands but its always
possible.

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Lyx non-technical writing

[Kathryn Andersen]

Hello everyone!
I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
know it, right?

Unfortunately, my publication (an amateur fiction magazine) is not a
technical journal or a thesis or a tretise, it's a bit more colourful
and less formal than that -- which means for certain things, I have had
to do battle with LyX instead of working with it.

For example, instead of having numbered chapters in boring font, my
'zine uses a fancy graphic for the title of each story.  Which means I
cannot take advantage of one of the most attractive features of LyX, the
automatic table of contents generation.  Now, after RTMing, I think I
have found a way around this -- insert the EPS graphic in a Chapter*
section, insert a Label, and then build the table of contents mostly by
hand, but insert a Pageref at the spot where the page number should be.
Is there an easier way of doing this?

And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
is too narrow.

There are a few other things I'm not certain if I can do in LyX.  I have
read the fancyhdr documentation, so I know how to put the page-numbers
where I want to -- but is there a way I can put a graphic around the
page-number?  (My 'zine originally put the page numbers inside a little
hexagon)  Likewise, is there a way of putting writing inside a graphic
in the main body of the text?  (For example, a graphic of a fancy
border, with a poem inside of it)

Another question I have is, is there a way of having a mixture of
two-column and one-column layout?  The bulk of the 'zine needs to be
two-column, but the table of contents and the editorial need to be
one-column.  And the poetry needs to be one-column too.

advTHANKSance

Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Stephen? Stephen, there's a Martian war machine parked outside. They'd
like to have a word with you about the common cold.
'Tell them to make an appointment.'
-- Vance Hendricks and Dr. Franklin, Infection (Babylon 5)
-- 
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| Melbourne - Victoria - Australia - Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha!  |   - Earth - Sol - Milky Way Galaxy - Universe

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Herbert Voss]

Kathryn Andersen wrote:

 Hello everyone!
 I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
 publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
 features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
 appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
 know it, right?

yes and no ;-) this depends to your text


 For example, instead of having numbered chapters in boring font, my
 'zine uses a fancy graphic for the title of each story.  Which means I
 cannot take advantage of one of the most attractive features of LyX, the
 automatic table of contents generation.  Now, after RTMing, I think I
 have found a way around this -- insert the EPS graphic in a Chapter*
 section, insert a Label, and then build the table of contents mostly by
 hand, but insert a Pageref at the spot where the page number should be.
 Is there an easier way of doing this?

yes,
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/LaTeX/chapterPic.html
and you have a table of contents as usual

 And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
 columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
 Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
 a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
 right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
 is too narrow.

this is possible, but not without some latex stuff.

 
 There are a few other things I'm not certain if I can do in LyX.  I have
 read the fancyhdr documentation, so I know how to put the page-numbers
 where I want to -- but is there a way I can put a graphic around the
 page-number?  (My 'zine originally put the page numbers inside a little
 hexagon) 

no problem :-)
\hexagon from package wasysym and page

 Likewise, is there a way of putting writing inside a graphic
 in the main body of the text?  (For example, a graphic of a fancy
 border, with a poem inside of it)

also possible, the graphic is like a background image


 Another question I have is, is there a way of having a mixture of
 two-column and one-column layout?  The bulk of the 'zine needs to be
 two-column, but the table of contents and the editorial need to be
 one-column.  And the poetry needs to be one-column too.

package multicol


a lot special stuff, you need! this is more than a
little bit of special latex commands but its always
possible.

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/

Lyx non-technical writing

[Kathryn Andersen]

Hello everyone!
I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
know it, right?

Unfortunately, my publication (an amateur fiction magazine) is not a
technical journal or a thesis or a tretise, it's a bit more colourful
and less formal than that -- which means for certain things, I have had
to do battle with LyX instead of working with it.

For example, instead of having numbered chapters in boring font, my
'zine uses a fancy graphic for the title of each story.  Which means I
cannot take advantage of one of the most attractive features of LyX, the
automatic table of contents generation.  Now, after RTMing, I think I
have found a way around this -- insert the EPS graphic in a Chapter*
section, insert a Label, and then build the table of contents mostly by
hand, but insert a Pageref at the spot where the page number should be.
Is there an easier way of doing this?

And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
is too narrow.

There are a few other things I'm not certain if I can do in LyX.  I have
read the fancyhdr documentation, so I know how to put the page-numbers
where I want to -- but is there a way I can put a graphic around the
page-number?  (My 'zine originally put the page numbers inside a little
hexagon)  Likewise, is there a way of putting writing inside a graphic
in the main body of the text?  (For example, a graphic of a fancy
border, with a poem inside of it)

Another question I have is, is there a way of having a mixture of
two-column and one-column layout?  The bulk of the 'zine needs to be
two-column, but the table of contents and the editorial need to be
one-column.  And the poetry needs to be one-column too.

advTHANKSance

Kathryn Andersen
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
"Stephen? Stephen, there's a Martian war machine parked outside. They'd
like to have a word with you about the common cold."
'Tell them to make an appointment.'
-- Vance Hendricks and Dr. Franklin, "Infection" (Babylon 5)
-- 
 _--_|\ | Kathryn Andersen  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
/  \|   
\_.--.*/|   
  v | #include "standard/disclaimer.h"
| Melbourne -> Victoria -> Australia -> Southern Hemisphere
Maranatha!  |   -> Earth -> Sol -> Milky Way Galaxy -> Universe

Re: Lyx non-technical writing

[Herbert Voss]

Kathryn Andersen wrote:

> Hello everyone!
> I am investigating LyX as a possible replacement to my former desktop
> publishing software (die, Microsoft, die!) (ahem)  It has many nifty
> features that I like, besides the principle of WYSIWYM is terribly
> appealing.   I have never used LaTeX, but with LyX you don't have to
> know it, right?

yes and no ;-) this depends to your text


> For example, instead of having numbered chapters in boring font, my
> 'zine uses a fancy graphic for the title of each story.  Which means I
> cannot take advantage of one of the most attractive features of LyX, the
> automatic table of contents generation.  Now, after RTMing, I think I
> have found a way around this -- insert the EPS graphic in a Chapter*
> section, insert a Label, and then build the table of contents mostly by
> hand, but insert a Pageref at the spot where the page number should be.
> Is there an easier way of doing this?

yes,
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/LaTeX/chapterPic.html
and you have a table of contents as usual

> And is there a way of forcing a Table to be the width of a page, or of
> columns to be a certain width?  I'm using a Table for my Table of
> Contents, with columns for the Title, Author and genre of the story, and
> a last column for the page-number.  I'd like for the page-number to be
> right against the right side of the page, but at the moment the table
> is too narrow.

this is possible, but not without some latex stuff.

 
> There are a few other things I'm not certain if I can do in LyX.  I have
> read the fancyhdr documentation, so I know how to put the page-numbers
> where I want to -- but is there a way I can put a graphic around the
> page-number?  (My 'zine originally put the page numbers inside a little
> hexagon) 

no problem :-)
\hexagon from package wasysym and page

 Likewise, is there a way of putting writing inside a graphic
> in the main body of the text?  (For example, a graphic of a fancy
> border, with a poem inside of it)

also possible, the graphic is like a background image


> Another question I have is, is there a way of having a mixture of
> two-column and one-column layout?  The bulk of the 'zine needs to be
> two-column, but the table of contents and the editorial need to be
> one-column.  And the poetry needs to be one-column too.

package multicol


a lot special stuff, you need! this is more than a
little bit of special latex commands but its always
possible.

Herbert

-- 
http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/