Re: Orphan on Page

2007-03-10 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:


Unless there are consequences that TeX judges worse than an orphan, if this
specific line is moved to the next page. This is always a pro- and con-game.


  I see. Always assumed it was an all-or-nothing issue. And, I never really
paid any attention to whether or not I've seen orphans and widows before.
This just stuck out.

  Thenk you, Jürgen.

Rich

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Re: Orphan on Page

2007-03-10 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
Rich Shepard wrote:
 I see. Always assumed it was an all-or-nothing issue. And, I never really
 paid any attention to whether or not I've seen orphans and widows before.
 This just stuck out.

It's very often a matter of taste, and compromise.

Easy example: Consider preventing an orphan (i.e. moving the last line to the 
next page) means that the paragraphs on the next page (2) don't fit on that 
page anymore. Another page break must be inserted, which could mean either a 
widow on the new page (3) or an underfull page on the previous page (2) 
(because two lines are missing). Also it could expand your book by two pages, 
if a new chapter  always starts at the right page.

If you have a publisher who insists both on preventing widows and orphans and 
two have always full pages (always the same number of lines), the only 
possibility os often to rework the text to make the paragraphs shorter or 
longer.

Jürgen

Re: Orphan on Page

2007-03-10 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:


Unless there are consequences that TeX judges worse than an orphan, if this
specific line is moved to the next page. This is always a pro- and con-game.


  I see. Always assumed it was an all-or-nothing issue. And, I never really
paid any attention to whether or not I've seen orphans and widows before.
This just stuck out.

  Thenk you, Jürgen.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |The Environmental Permitting
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Orphan on Page

2007-03-10 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
Rich Shepard wrote:
 I see. Always assumed it was an all-or-nothing issue. And, I never really
 paid any attention to whether or not I've seen orphans and widows before.
 This just stuck out.

It's very often a matter of taste, and compromise.

Easy example: Consider preventing an orphan (i.e. moving the last line to the 
next page) means that the paragraphs on the next page (2) don't fit on that 
page anymore. Another page break must be inserted, which could mean either a 
widow on the new page (3) or an underfull page on the previous page (2) 
(because two lines are missing). Also it could expand your book by two pages, 
if a new chapter  always starts at the right page.

If you have a publisher who insists both on preventing widows and orphans and 
two have always full pages (always the same number of lines), the only 
possibility os often to rework the text to make the paragraphs shorter or 
longer.

Jürgen

Re: Orphan on Page

2007-03-10 Thread Rich Shepard 

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:


Unless there are consequences that TeX judges "worse" than an orphan, if this
specific line is moved to the next page. This is always a pro- and con-game.


  I see. Always assumed it was an all-or-nothing issue. And, I never really
paid any attention to whether or not I've seen orphans and widows before.
This just stuck out.

  Thenk you, Jürgen.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |The Environmental Permitting
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Orphan on Page

2007-03-10 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
Rich Shepard wrote:
> I see. Always assumed it was an all-or-nothing issue. And, I never really
> paid any attention to whether or not I've seen orphans and widows before.
> This just stuck out.

It's very often a matter of taste, and compromise.

Easy example: Consider preventing an orphan (i.e. moving the last line to the 
next page) means that the paragraphs on the next page (2) don't fit on that 
page anymore. Another page break must be inserted, which could mean either a 
widow on the new page (3) or an underfull page on the previous page (2) 
(because two lines are missing). Also it could expand your book by two pages, 
if a new chapter  always starts at the right page.

If you have a publisher who insists both on preventing widows and orphans and 
two have always "full pages" (always the same number of lines), the only 
possibility os often to rework the text to make the paragraphs shorter or 
longer.

Jürgen

Orphan on Page

2007-03-09 Thread Rich Shepard 

  How interesting. I copied my Beamer class presentation to KOMA-script
article class to provide a take-away hard copy. Then I changed the page size
to 6x9 so there's plenty of room for notes. At the bottom of page 2 is a
single line. I thought that TeX took care of that.

  What have I missed?

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |The Environmental Permitting
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Orphan on Page

2007-03-09 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
Rich Shepard wrote:
 I thought that TeX took care of that.

Unless there are consequences that TeX judges worse than an orphan, if this 
specific line is moved to the next page. This is always a pro- and con-game.

 What have I missed?

You could increase \clubpenalty (which is set to 500 initially; e.g. 
\clubpenalty = 1).

Jürgen

Orphan on Page

2007-03-09 Thread Rich Shepard 

  How interesting. I copied my Beamer class presentation to KOMA-script
article class to provide a take-away hard copy. Then I changed the page size
to 6x9 so there's plenty of room for notes. At the bottom of page 2 is a
single line. I thought that TeX took care of that.

  What have I missed?

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |The Environmental Permitting
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Orphan on Page

2007-03-09 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
Rich Shepard wrote:
 I thought that TeX took care of that.

Unless there are consequences that TeX judges worse than an orphan, if this 
specific line is moved to the next page. This is always a pro- and con-game.

 What have I missed?

You could increase \clubpenalty (which is set to 500 initially; e.g. 
\clubpenalty = 1).

Jürgen

Orphan on Page

2007-03-09 Thread Rich Shepard 

  How interesting. I copied my Beamer class presentation to KOMA-script
article class to provide a take-away hard copy. Then I changed the page size
to 6"x9" so there's plenty of room for notes. At the bottom of page 2 is a
single line. I thought that TeX took care of that.

  What have I missed?

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |The Environmental Permitting
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|  Accelerator(TM)
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Orphan on Page

2007-03-09 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller 
Rich Shepard wrote:
> I thought that TeX took care of that.

Unless there are consequences that TeX judges "worse" than an orphan, if this 
specific line is moved to the next page. This is always a pro- and con-game.

> What have I missed?

You could increase \clubpenalty (which is set to 500 initially; e.g. 
\clubpenalty = 1).

Jürgen