Re: Bold lower case Greek letters in Times Roman font
> On Jan 29, 2019, at 7:28 AM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
>
> On 1/28/19 11:05 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 28, 2019, at 7:21 AM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/28/19 2:59 AM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
>
> On 1/27/19 7:09 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> Am I correct in thinking that the Times Roman font has no bold lower
>> case Greek characters?
>>
>> Jerry
> I don't think it's a font issue so much as a LaTeX issue:
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/595/how-can-i-get-bold-math-symbols.
>
> Paul
>
Yes, I read that page before posting and am having good results with the
eighth idea on that page--"Use the command \boldsymbol{YOUR_SYMBOL}”--BUT
NOT WITH TIMES ROMAN. I am using Utopia in the body of my paper with the
Fourier math font and boldsymbol _works_ for that (those) font(s).
However, I expect that at some point I might have to switch to Times Roman
for journal publication and boldsymbol _does_not_work then. I think I read
that this (bold Greek or bold lower-case Greek) can be a problem with some
fonts and I’m concerned that Times Roman is one of them.
Jerry
>>> Works for me with Times Roman. In the attached LyX file, note the use of
>>> Times Roman as the math font (font settings) and the inclusion of the 'bm'
>>> package (preamble settings). The PDF file shows the difference between bold
>>> and ordinary weight. It might not be as much as I would like on some
>>> symbols (the omegas are a trifle close for my taste), but the bold symbols
>>> are definitely heavier than the non-bold symbols.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks, Paul. Interestingly, I get the same results without the bm package
>> but by using \boldsymbol on the Times Roman (New TX) mathfont.
>>
>> Jerry
> Times Roman (New TX) is what I was using at my end. You're right about not
> needing the bm package, which defines the \bm command, an alternative to
> \boldsymbol. I tried \bm and \boldsymbol side by side, and the PDF output
> looks about the same to me.
>
> Paul
>
Thanks for all the help, Paul and Günter.
Jerry
Re: Bold lower case Greek letters in Times Roman font
On 1/28/19 11:05 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
On Jan 28, 2019, at 7:21 AM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
On 1/28/19 2:59 AM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
On Jan 27, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
On 1/27/19 7:09 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
Am I correct in thinking that the Times Roman font has no bold lower case Greek
characters?
Jerry
I don't think it's a font issue so much as a LaTeX issue:
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/595/how-can-i-get-bold-math-symbols.
Paul
Yes, I read that page before posting and am having good results with the eighth idea
on that page--"Use the command \boldsymbol{YOUR_SYMBOL}”--BUT NOT WITH TIMES
ROMAN. I am using Utopia in the body of my paper with the Fourier math font and
boldsymbol _works_ for that (those) font(s). However, I expect that at some point I
might have to switch to Times Roman for journal publication and boldsymbol
_does_not_work then. I think I read that this (bold Greek or bold lower-case Greek)
can be a problem with some fonts and I’m concerned that Times Roman is one of them.
Jerry
Works for me with Times Roman. In the attached LyX file, note the use of Times
Roman as the math font (font settings) and the inclusion of the 'bm' package
(preamble settings). The PDF file shows the difference between bold and
ordinary weight. It might not be as much as I would like on some symbols (the
omegas are a trifle close for my taste), but the bold symbols are definitely
heavier than the non-bold symbols.
Paul
Thanks, Paul. Interestingly, I get the same results without the bm package but
by using \boldsymbol on the Times Roman (New TX) mathfont.
Jerry
Times Roman (New TX) is what I was using at my end. You're right about
not needing the bm package, which defines the \bm command, an
alternative to \boldsymbol. I tried \bm and \boldsymbol side by side,
and the PDF output looks about the same to me.
Paul
Re: Bold lower case Greek letters in Times Roman font
On 2019-01-29, list_em...@icloud.com wrote: >> On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:45 AM, Guenter Milde wrote: >> You can get a rich choice of mathematical symbols/characters matching >> Times Roman (including bold Greek letters) with the selection "Times >> Roman (New TX)" in Document>Settings>Fonts>Maths. > Oh, thanks. I didn’t think of that (Times Roman (New TX)). That is a > useful workaround. Surely publishers have a different workaround if in > fact Times Roman is deficient. I just wonder if this workaround is > compatible with their workaround, if any. Commercial mathematical fonts matching Times are available from Micropress with TeX support by the package tmmath: https://ctan.org/pkg/tmmath The "newtx" package (https://ctan.org/pkg/newtx) is not just a workaround but the recommended free maths font package to match Times text fonts. Alternatively, you can use the "STIX fonts"¹ (either for both, text and maths oder in combination with Times as text font. With XeTeX/LuaTeX, you can use non-TeX fonts and unicode-math with, e.g. TeX Gyre or STIX¹ https://ctan.org/pkg/tex-gyre-math-termes https://ctan.org/pkg/stix2-otf ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STIX_Fonts_project *Mathematicl* font setup is conceptually and functionally different from *text* mode fonts. Unless your document contains Greek text parts or words, you may skip the setup of Greek text fonts (but it may help to get letters for, say, π-mesons). >> For text, you can use the Times lookalike "Artemisia" from the Greek Font >> Societey, e.g. via http://ctan.org/pkg/substitutefont > I didn’t try your Artemisia suggestion yet but I see that you are the > maintainer, so thanks for that. Actually, I just created and maintain the "substitutefont" package. It is intended to combine matching 8-bit fonts for different scripts, because quite often font developers for, say, Greek miss advanced Latin features (letter ß or ð, say) while fonts for Latin have only basic or no Greek or Cyrillic support. > It does look like a nice font although it is not a Times lookalike to > my eyes. You are right, Artemisia is not a lookalike. GFS Artemisia is a relatively modern font, designed as a ‘general purpose’ font in the same sense as Times is nowadays treated. --- https://www.ctan.org/pkg/gfsartemisia However, it is just an example. You can try any Greek font with 8-bit TeX support (cf. https://www.ctan.org/topic/font-greek, https://www.ctan.org/pkg/gfs, https://www.ctan.org/pkg/psgreek). Again, you can also use XeTeX/LuaTeX with any Unicode (non-TeX) font that contains all required characters. LyX will tell you if characters are missing. Günter Günter
Re: Bold lower case Greek letters in Times Roman font
> On Jan 28, 2019, at 7:21 AM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
>
> On 1/28/19 2:59 AM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
>>>
>>> On 1/27/19 7:09 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
Am I correct in thinking that the Times Roman font has no bold lower case
Greek characters?
Jerry
>>> I don't think it's a font issue so much as a LaTeX issue:
>>> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/595/how-can-i-get-bold-math-symbols.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>> Yes, I read that page before posting and am having good results with the
>> eighth idea on that page--"Use the command \boldsymbol{YOUR_SYMBOL}”--BUT
>> NOT WITH TIMES ROMAN. I am using Utopia in the body of my paper with the
>> Fourier math font and boldsymbol _works_ for that (those) font(s). However,
>> I expect that at some point I might have to switch to Times Roman for
>> journal publication and boldsymbol _does_not_work then. I think I read that
>> this (bold Greek or bold lower-case Greek) can be a problem with some fonts
>> and I’m concerned that Times Roman is one of them.
>>
>> Jerry
> Works for me with Times Roman. In the attached LyX file, note the use of
> Times Roman as the math font (font settings) and the inclusion of the 'bm'
> package (preamble settings). The PDF file shows the difference between bold
> and ordinary weight. It might not be as much as I would like on some symbols
> (the omegas are a trifle close for my taste), but the bold symbols are
> definitely heavier than the non-bold symbols.
>
> Paul
>
>
Thanks, Paul. Interestingly, I get the same results without the bm package but
by using \boldsymbol on the Times Roman (New TX) mathfont.
Jerry
Re: Bold lower case Greek letters in Times Roman font
> On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:45 AM, Guenter Milde wrote:
>
> On 2019-01-28, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>
>>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
>
>>> On 1/27/19 7:09 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>
Am I correct in thinking that the Times Roman font has no bold lower
case Greek characters?
>
> You can get a rich choice of mathematical symbols/characters matching
> Times Roman (including bold Greek letters) with the selection "Times
> Roman (New TX)" in Document>Settings>Fonts>Maths.
>
> For text, you can use the Times lookalike "Artemisia" from the Greek Font
> Societey, e.g. via http://ctan.org/pkg/substitutefont
> with the following preamble code
>
> \usepackage{substitutefont}
> % Serif
> \usepackage[scaled=0.97]{newtxtext}
> \substitutefont{LGR}{\rmdefault}{artemisia}
> % Sans
> % \substitutefont{LGR}{\sfdefault}{neohellenic}
> \substitutefont{LGR}{\sfdefault}{maksf}
> % Monospaced
> \substitutefont{LGR}{\ttdefault}{cmtt} % CB fonts
>
>
> Günter
>
Oh, thanks. I didn’t think of that (Times Roman (New TX)). That is a useful
workaround. Surely publishers have a different workaround if in fact Times
Roman is deficient. I just wonder if this workaround is compatible with their
workaround, if any. I didn’t try your Artemisia suggestion yet but I see that
you are the maintainer, so thanks for that. It does look like a nice font
although it is not a Times lookalike to my eyes.
Jerry
Re: Bold lower case Greek letters in Times Roman font
On 1/28/19 2:59 AM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
On Jan 27, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
On 1/27/19 7:09 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
Am I correct in thinking that the Times Roman font has no bold lower case Greek
characters?
Jerry
I don't think it's a font issue so much as a LaTeX issue:
https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/595/how-can-i-get-bold-math-symbols.
Paul
Yes, I read that page before posting and am having good results with the eighth idea
on that page--"Use the command \boldsymbol{YOUR_SYMBOL}”--BUT NOT WITH TIMES
ROMAN. I am using Utopia in the body of my paper with the Fourier math font and
boldsymbol _works_ for that (those) font(s). However, I expect that at some point I
might have to switch to Times Roman for journal publication and boldsymbol
_does_not_work then. I think I read that this (bold Greek or bold lower-case Greek)
can be a problem with some fonts and I’m concerned that Times Roman is one of them.
Jerry
Works for me with Times Roman. In the attached LyX file, note the use of
Times Roman as the math font (font settings) and the inclusion of the
'bm' package (preamble settings). The PDF file shows the difference
between bold and ordinary weight. It might not be as much as I would
like on some symbols (the omegas are a trifle close for my taste), but
the bold symbols are definitely heavier than the non-bold symbols.
Paul
boldgreek.lyx
Description: application/lyx
boldgreek.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
Re: Bold lower case Greek letters in Times Roman font
On 2019-01-28, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
>> On 1/27/19 7:09 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>>> Am I correct in thinking that the Times Roman font has no bold lower
>>> case Greek characters?
You can get a rich choice of mathematical symbols/characters matching
Times Roman (including bold Greek letters) with the selection "Times
Roman (New TX)" in Document>Settings>Fonts>Maths.
For text, you can use the Times lookalike "Artemisia" from the Greek Font
Societey, e.g. via http://ctan.org/pkg/substitutefont
with the following preamble code
\usepackage{substitutefont}
% Serif
\usepackage[scaled=0.97]{newtxtext}
\substitutefont{LGR}{\rmdefault}{artemisia}
% Sans
% \substitutefont{LGR}{\sfdefault}{neohellenic}
\substitutefont{LGR}{\sfdefault}{maksf}
% Monospaced
\substitutefont{LGR}{\ttdefault}{cmtt} % CB fonts
Günter
Re: Bold lower case Greek letters in Times Roman font
> On Jan 27, 2019, at 6:07 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:
>
> On 1/27/19 7:09 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote:
>> Am I correct in thinking that the Times Roman font has no bold lower case
>> Greek characters?
>>
>> Jerry
> I don't think it's a font issue so much as a LaTeX issue:
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/595/how-can-i-get-bold-math-symbols.
>
> Paul
>
Yes, I read that page before posting and am having good results with the eighth
idea on that page--"Use the command \boldsymbol{YOUR_SYMBOL}”--BUT NOT WITH
TIMES ROMAN. I am using Utopia in the body of my paper with the Fourier math
font and boldsymbol _works_ for that (those) font(s). However, I expect that at
some point I might have to switch to Times Roman for journal publication and
boldsymbol _does_not_work then. I think I read that this (bold Greek or bold
lower-case Greek) can be a problem with some fonts and I’m concerned that Times
Roman is one of them.
Jerry
Re: Bold lower case Greek letters in Times Roman font
On 1/27/19 7:09 PM, list_em...@icloud.com wrote: Am I correct in thinking that the Times Roman font has no bold lower case Greek characters? Jerry I don't think it's a font issue so much as a LaTeX issue: https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/595/how-can-i-get-bold-math-symbols. Paul
