Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

For diagrams I found pyxplot
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/pyxplot/
handy. 

Wolfgang

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

For diagrams I found pyxplot
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/pyxplot/
handy. 

Wolfgang

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

For diagrams I found pyxplot
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/pyxplot/
handy. 

Wolfgang

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-05-21, Steve Litt wrote:

Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

No. As usual it depends...

 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics
 included in a LyX diagram are PDFs? 

I found that I can convert easily forth and back between EPS and PDF
and from SVG to either of the two without loss of quality in most cases.

An exception are graphics with transparency, as EPS does not support an
alpha channel and has to use faked transparency.

 Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really work much, much better as
 LyX doc graphics?

If your output format is PDF only (I often use PS), having the included
files in this format too saves the trouble of dealing with the
converters. OTOH, for me it is in most cases easier to insert inkscape
made graphics as SVG, so I can edit them easily and don't have 2 files
lying around.

Günter

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Helge Hafting]

Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in a 
LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely and 
continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed fonts, I think 
they work anywhere.


I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only 
with .eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal 
experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of 
those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really 
work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?


Any supported vector format ought to look fine, or there is a bug. There 
should be no difference between pdf and eps images. PDF might compile 
faster with pdflatex though.


The problem with bitmaps is that screens have different resolutions, and 
even a cheap printer has much much higher resolution than an expensive 
big screen. And good printers have much better resolution than that.


So, a jpeg that looks good printed on a photosetter or something will 
have to be one huge file, maybe a full-resolution image from a good 
camera. But such a big file will render slowly on a computer, and it 
will not be necessary to look good on a screen.


Helge Hafting

XFig and LyX (Was: Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?)

[curtis osterhoudt]

Dear all, 

   I have just (within the last week or so, using the 2.0.0 svn development 
code, which I've kept up with and compiled) started having problems using XFig 
figures within LyX. 

Previously (and the mechanism is still there), to insert an XFig figure, I'd 
use the external material insert, and choose the xfig type. Currently, if I 
do that, the preview will no longer show up in LyX, and upon trying to compile 
the document, a message complaining of a missing figure will show up, with a 
mangled path to the file. *However*, quite by accident, I found that inserting 
the XFig file as a regular graphic (such as a .jpeg or .pdf) now seems to work. 

Is this going to be a long-term change to the code? It'll certainly make things 
more consistent to my mind, so long as the documentation is fixed, too.

  --C.O.
 

 /
Down with categorical imperative!
flutz...@yahoo.com
/





From: Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no
To: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:36:08 AM
Subject: Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

Steve Litt wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in a 
 LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely and 
 continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed fonts, I think 
 they work anywhere.
 
 I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only with 
 .eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal 
 experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of 
 those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really 
 work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?

Any supported vector format ought to look fine, or there is a bug. There should 
be no difference between pdf and eps images. PDF might compile faster with 
pdflatex though.

The problem with bitmaps is that screens have different resolutions, and even a 
cheap printer has much much higher resolution than an expensive big screen. And 
good printers have much better resolution than that.

So, a jpeg that looks good printed on a photosetter or something will have to 
be one huge file, maybe a full-resolution image from a good camera. But such a 
big file will render slowly on a computer, and it will not be necessary to look 
good on a screen.

Helge Hafting



  

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-05-21, Steve Litt wrote:

Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

No. As usual it depends...

 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics
 included in a LyX diagram are PDFs? 

I found that I can convert easily forth and back between EPS and PDF
and from SVG to either of the two without loss of quality in most cases.

An exception are graphics with transparency, as EPS does not support an
alpha channel and has to use faked transparency.

 Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really work much, much better as
 LyX doc graphics?

If your output format is PDF only (I often use PS), having the included
files in this format too saves the trouble of dealing with the
converters. OTOH, for me it is in most cases easier to insert inkscape
made graphics as SVG, so I can edit them easily and don't have 2 files
lying around.

Günter

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Helge Hafting]

Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in a 
LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely and 
continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed fonts, I think 
they work anywhere.


I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only 
with .eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal 
experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of 
those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really 
work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?


Any supported vector format ought to look fine, or there is a bug. There 
should be no difference between pdf and eps images. PDF might compile 
faster with pdflatex though.


The problem with bitmaps is that screens have different resolutions, and 
even a cheap printer has much much higher resolution than an expensive 
big screen. And good printers have much better resolution than that.


So, a jpeg that looks good printed on a photosetter or something will 
have to be one huge file, maybe a full-resolution image from a good 
camera. But such a big file will render slowly on a computer, and it 
will not be necessary to look good on a screen.


Helge Hafting

XFig and LyX (Was: Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?)

[curtis osterhoudt]

Dear all, 

   I have just (within the last week or so, using the 2.0.0 svn development 
code, which I've kept up with and compiled) started having problems using XFig 
figures within LyX. 

Previously (and the mechanism is still there), to insert an XFig figure, I'd 
use the external material insert, and choose the xfig type. Currently, if I 
do that, the preview will no longer show up in LyX, and upon trying to compile 
the document, a message complaining of a missing figure will show up, with a 
mangled path to the file. *However*, quite by accident, I found that inserting 
the XFig file as a regular graphic (such as a .jpeg or .pdf) now seems to work. 

Is this going to be a long-term change to the code? It'll certainly make things 
more consistent to my mind, so long as the documentation is fixed, too.

  --C.O.
 

 /
Down with categorical imperative!
flutz...@yahoo.com
/





From: Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no
To: Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:36:08 AM
Subject: Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

Steve Litt wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in a 
 LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely and 
 continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed fonts, I think 
 they work anywhere.
 
 I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only with 
 .eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal 
 experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of 
 those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really 
 work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?

Any supported vector format ought to look fine, or there is a bug. There should 
be no difference between pdf and eps images. PDF might compile faster with 
pdflatex though.

The problem with bitmaps is that screens have different resolutions, and even a 
cheap printer has much much higher resolution than an expensive big screen. And 
good printers have much better resolution than that.

So, a jpeg that looks good printed on a photosetter or something will have to 
be one huge file, maybe a full-resolution image from a good camera. But such a 
big file will render slowly on a computer, and it will not be necessary to look 
good on a screen.

Helge Hafting



  

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-05-21, Steve Litt wrote:

Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

No. As usual it depends...

> Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics
> included in a LyX diagram are PDFs? 

I found that I can convert easily forth and back between EPS and PDF
and from SVG to either of the two without loss of quality in most cases.

An exception are graphics with transparency, as EPS does not support an
alpha channel and has to use "faked transparency".

> Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really work much, much better as
> LyX doc graphics?

If your output format is PDF only (I often use PS), having the included
files in this format too saves the trouble of dealing with the
converters. OTOH, for me it is in most cases easier to insert inkscape
made graphics as SVG, so I can edit them easily and don't have 2 files
lying around.

Günter

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Helge Hafting]

Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in a 
LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely and 
continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with "embed fonts", I think 
they work anywhere.


I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only 
with .eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal 
experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of 
those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really 
work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?


Any supported vector format ought to look fine, or there is a bug. There 
should be no difference between pdf and eps images. PDF might compile 
faster with pdflatex though.


The problem with bitmaps is that screens have different resolutions, and 
even a cheap printer has much much higher resolution than an expensive 
big screen. And good printers have much better resolution than that.


So, a jpeg that looks good printed on a photosetter or something will 
have to be one huge file, maybe a full-resolution image from a good 
camera. But such a big file will render slowly on a computer, and it 
will not be necessary to look good on a screen.


Helge Hafting

XFig and LyX (Was: Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?)

[curtis osterhoudt]

Dear all, 

   I have just (within the last week or so, using the 2.0.0 svn development 
code, which I've kept up with and compiled) started having problems using XFig 
figures within LyX. 

Previously (and the mechanism is still there), to insert an XFig figure, I'd 
use the "external material" insert, and choose the "xfig" type. Currently, if I 
do that, the preview will no longer show up in LyX, and upon trying to compile 
the document, a message complaining of a missing figure will show up, with a 
mangled path to the file. *However*, quite by accident, I found that inserting 
the XFig file as a regular graphic (such as a .jpeg or .pdf) now seems to work. 

Is this going to be a long-term change to the code? It'll certainly make things 
more consistent to my mind, so long as the documentation is fixed, too.

  --C.O.
 

 /
Down with categorical imperative!
flutz...@yahoo.com
/





From: Helge Hafting 
To: Steve Litt 
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:36:08 AM
Subject: Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in a 
> LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely and 
> continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with "embed fonts", I think 
> they work anywhere.
> 
> I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only with 
> .eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal 
> experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of 
> those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really 
> work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?

Any supported vector format ought to look fine, or there is a bug. There should 
be no difference between pdf and eps images. PDF might compile faster with 
pdflatex though.

The problem with bitmaps is that screens have different resolutions, and even a 
cheap printer has much much higher resolution than an expensive big screen. And 
good printers have much better resolution than that.

So, a jpeg that looks good printed on a photosetter or something will have to 
be one huge file, maybe a full-resolution image from a good camera. But such a 
big file will render slowly on a computer, and it will not be necessary to look 
good on a screen.

Helge Hafting



  

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
 That's good information. A couple years ago I directly used inkscape drawings 
 (after vacuuming the .svg), and things didn't go well at all. I don't 
 remember the specfics. I'll try it again. The less versions of the same 
 diagram, the better. 

one needs not to forget - instant preview on so the external material is visible
and context menu with 'edit' picture, which gets automatically updated when 
changed...

disadvantages - no graphics groups, no separation of scaling for lyx screen and
lyx output.

pavel

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-05-24, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Steve Litt wrote:
 That's good information. A couple years ago I directly used inkscape
 drawings (after vacuuming the .svg), and things didn't go well at
 all. I don't remember the specfics. I'll try it again. The less
 versions of the same diagram, the better. 

 one needs not to forget - instant preview on so the external material
 is visible and context menu with 'edit' picture, which gets
 automatically updated when changed...

 disadvantages - no graphics groups, no separation of scaling for lyx
 screen and lyx output.

I use inkscape files successfully with the normal graphics inset
(details in the lyx wiki (search for inkscape in wiki.lyx.org)).

Günter

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
 That's good information. A couple years ago I directly used inkscape drawings 
 (after vacuuming the .svg), and things didn't go well at all. I don't 
 remember the specfics. I'll try it again. The less versions of the same 
 diagram, the better. 

one needs not to forget - instant preview on so the external material is visible
and context menu with 'edit' picture, which gets automatically updated when 
changed...

disadvantages - no graphics groups, no separation of scaling for lyx screen and
lyx output.

pavel

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-05-24, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Steve Litt wrote:
 That's good information. A couple years ago I directly used inkscape
 drawings (after vacuuming the .svg), and things didn't go well at
 all. I don't remember the specfics. I'll try it again. The less
 versions of the same diagram, the better. 

 one needs not to forget - instant preview on so the external material
 is visible and context menu with 'edit' picture, which gets
 automatically updated when changed...

 disadvantages - no graphics groups, no separation of scaling for lyx
 screen and lyx output.

I use inkscape files successfully with the normal graphics inset
(details in the lyx wiki (search for inkscape in wiki.lyx.org)).

Günter

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
> That's good information. A couple years ago I directly used inkscape drawings 
> (after "vacuuming" the .svg), and things didn't go well at all. I don't 
> remember the specfics. I'll try it again. The less versions of the same 
> diagram, the better. 

one needs not to forget - instant preview on so the external material is visible
and context menu with 'edit' picture, which gets automatically updated when 
changed...

disadvantages - no graphics groups, no separation of scaling for lyx screen and
lyx output.

pavel

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-05-24, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Steve Litt wrote:
>> That's good information. A couple years ago I directly used inkscape
>> drawings (after "vacuuming" the .svg), and things didn't go well at
>> all. I don't remember the specfics. I'll try it again. The less
>> versions of the same diagram, the better. 

> one needs not to forget - instant preview on so the external material
> is visible and context menu with 'edit' picture, which gets
> automatically updated when changed...

> disadvantages - no graphics groups, no separation of scaling for lyx
> screen and lyx output.

I use inkscape files successfully with the "normal" graphics inset
(details in the lyx wiki (search for inkscape in wiki.lyx.org)).

Günter

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in a 
 LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely and 
 continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed fonts, I think 
 they work anywhere.

for simple diagrams i found fig or dia pictures to be better alternative,
because you can still edit them even if included into lyx document, internal
conversion inside lyx doesn't break their vector-like nature inside output pdf.

if used with version control you can even see comprehensible diffs for these
pictures if small bits change...

pavel

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 23 May 2009 06:25:23 pm Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Steve Litt wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included
  in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them
  infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed
  fonts, I think they work anywhere.

 for simple diagrams i found fig or dia pictures to be better alternative,
 because you can still edit them even if included into lyx document,
 internal conversion inside lyx doesn't break their vector-like nature
 inside output pdf.

 if used with version control you can even see comprehensible diffs for
 these pictures if small bits change...

 pavel

That's good information. A couple years ago I directly used inkscape drawings 
(after vacuuming the .svg), and things didn't go well at all. I don't 
remember the specfics. I'll try it again. The less versions of the same 
diagram, the better. I really hate having a .svg and a .pdf and having to 
remember they're really the same and the .svg is the source.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in a 
 LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely and 
 continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed fonts, I think 
 they work anywhere.

for simple diagrams i found fig or dia pictures to be better alternative,
because you can still edit them even if included into lyx document, internal
conversion inside lyx doesn't break their vector-like nature inside output pdf.

if used with version control you can even see comprehensible diffs for these
pictures if small bits change...

pavel

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 23 May 2009 06:25:23 pm Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Steve Litt wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included
  in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them
  infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed
  fonts, I think they work anywhere.

 for simple diagrams i found fig or dia pictures to be better alternative,
 because you can still edit them even if included into lyx document,
 internal conversion inside lyx doesn't break their vector-like nature
 inside output pdf.

 if used with version control you can even see comprehensible diffs for
 these pictures if small bits change...

 pavel

That's good information. A couple years ago I directly used inkscape drawings 
(after vacuuming the .svg), and things didn't go well at all. I don't 
remember the specfics. I'll try it again. The less versions of the same 
diagram, the better. I really hate having a .svg and a .pdf and having to 
remember they're really the same and the .svg is the source.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Pavel Sanda]

Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in a 
> LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely and 
> continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with "embed fonts", I think 
> they work anywhere.

for simple diagrams i found fig or dia pictures to be better alternative,
because you can still edit them even if included into lyx document, internal
conversion inside lyx doesn't break their vector-like nature inside output pdf.

if used with version control you can even see comprehensible diffs for these
pictures if small bits change...

pavel

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Saturday 23 May 2009 06:25:23 pm Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included
> > in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them
> > infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with "embed
> > fonts", I think they work anywhere.
>
> for simple diagrams i found fig or dia pictures to be better alternative,
> because you can still edit them even if included into lyx document,
> internal conversion inside lyx doesn't break their vector-like nature
> inside output pdf.
>
> if used with version control you can even see comprehensible diffs for
> these pictures if small bits change...
>
> pavel

That's good information. A couple years ago I directly used inkscape drawings 
(after "vacuuming" the .svg), and things didn't go well at all. I don't 
remember the specfics. I'll try it again. The less versions of the same 
diagram, the better. I really hate having a .svg and a .pdf and having to 
remember they're really the same and the .svg is the source.

Thanks

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Kosta Welke]

On Thu, 21 May 2009 16:52:43 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics
 included in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've
 found them infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the
 PDF with embed fonts, I think they work anywhere.

Note however that if there are e.g. a lot of gradients, some pdf
viewers will show an ugly, incomplete version of the pdf (e.g. evince),
while others take forever to render the page (e.g. adobe reader). I
gave up on vector graphics and use high-res pngs for everything with
gradients or lots of layers.

HTH,

Kosta

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Thursday 21 May 2009 05:02:26 pm Kosta Welke wrote:
 On Thu, 21 May 2009 16:52:43 -0400

 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics
  included in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've
  found them infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the
  PDF with embed fonts, I think they work anywhere.

 Note however that if there are e.g. a lot of gradients, some pdf
 viewers will show an ugly, incomplete version of the pdf (e.g. evince),
 while others take forever to render the page (e.g. adobe reader). I
 gave up on vector graphics and use high-res pngs for everything with
 gradients or lots of layers.

Thanks Kosta,

THIS is why I like LyX-users list. I'll definitely keep my eye out for 
problems with slow rendering. I have no access to evince so I can't test 
that, but I can sure test Acroread. I'll keep in mind to think twice before 
PDFizing graphics with lots of layers or gradients. Most of my diagrams are 
rather simple, but I'll keep my eyes open.

Thanks for the heads-up.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 21 May 2009, Steve Litt wrote:


Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included
in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them
infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed
fonts, I think they work anywhere.



I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only with
.eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal
experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of
those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really
work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?


Steve,

  Perhaps not your imagination but your perception. I use .eps, .png, .jpg
(rarely), and .pdf with equal success.

  When I use .eps format graphics I view using dvips and compile using
LaTeX-dvips-ps2pdf. When I use .png and .pdf format graphics I view (and
compile) using pdflatex. Regardless of graphic format I can tweak the
bounding box size and scale both display and output size.

  The graphic format I use depends on whether the image is vector or raster.
However, I have used GIS (raster) images as .eps or .png files and had no
problems with LyX converting them to .pdf during compilation.

  Almost all my pdf documents are created with LyX; the occasional one with
OO.o. Fonts are embedded by default and no one's complained about not being
able to view them regardless of the platform they use.

Rich

--
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Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 21 May 2009, Steve Litt wrote:


Most of my diagrams are rather simple, but I'll keep my eyes open.


Steve,

  For simple diagrams consider creating them with PSTricks. You will create
much better graphics than with GUI tools as lines are perfectly joined.
LaTeX is used for the text, and the .eps files work flawlessly in LyX/LaTeX.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Les Denham]

On Thursday 21 May 2009, Steve Litt wrote:
 Hi all,

 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in
 a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely
 and continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed fonts, I
 think they work anywhere.

 I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only
 with .eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal
 experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of
 those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really
 work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?

Steve,

In general, I try to use PDF whenever the graphical material is mainly lines 
and text. For solid colors it probably works the best too. But for 
gradational shading I usually use PNG.  The problem with PNG is if you make 
the resolution high enough to retain really sharp edges, the file size 
becomes very large.

I also use JPEG for photographs: PNG works fine too, but the files are larger.

-- 
Les

~~
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Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Kosta Welke]

On Thu, 21 May 2009 16:52:43 -0400
Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics
 included in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've
 found them infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the
 PDF with embed fonts, I think they work anywhere.

Note however that if there are e.g. a lot of gradients, some pdf
viewers will show an ugly, incomplete version of the pdf (e.g. evince),
while others take forever to render the page (e.g. adobe reader). I
gave up on vector graphics and use high-res pngs for everything with
gradients or lots of layers.

HTH,

Kosta

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Thursday 21 May 2009 05:02:26 pm Kosta Welke wrote:
 On Thu, 21 May 2009 16:52:43 -0400

 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:
  Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics
  included in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've
  found them infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the
  PDF with embed fonts, I think they work anywhere.

 Note however that if there are e.g. a lot of gradients, some pdf
 viewers will show an ugly, incomplete version of the pdf (e.g. evince),
 while others take forever to render the page (e.g. adobe reader). I
 gave up on vector graphics and use high-res pngs for everything with
 gradients or lots of layers.

Thanks Kosta,

THIS is why I like LyX-users list. I'll definitely keep my eye out for 
problems with slow rendering. I have no access to evince so I can't test 
that, but I can sure test Acroread. I'll keep in mind to think twice before 
PDFizing graphics with lots of layers or gradients. Most of my diagrams are 
rather simple, but I'll keep my eyes open.

Thanks for the heads-up.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 21 May 2009, Steve Litt wrote:


Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included
in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them
infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed
fonts, I think they work anywhere.



I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only with
.eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal
experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of
those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really
work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?


Steve,

  Perhaps not your imagination but your perception. I use .eps, .png, .jpg
(rarely), and .pdf with equal success.

  When I use .eps format graphics I view using dvips and compile using
LaTeX-dvips-ps2pdf. When I use .png and .pdf format graphics I view (and
compile) using pdflatex. Regardless of graphic format I can tweak the
bounding box size and scale both display and output size.

  The graphic format I use depends on whether the image is vector or raster.
However, I have used GIS (raster) images as .eps or .png files and had no
problems with LyX converting them to .pdf during compilation.

  Almost all my pdf documents are created with LyX; the occasional one with
OO.o. Fonts are embedded by default and no one's complained about not being
able to view them regardless of the platform they use.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 21 May 2009, Steve Litt wrote:


Most of my diagrams are rather simple, but I'll keep my eyes open.


Steve,

  For simple diagrams consider creating them with PSTricks. You will create
much better graphics than with GUI tools as lines are perfectly joined.
LaTeX is used for the text, and the .eps files work flawlessly in LyX/LaTeX.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
http://www.appl-ecosys.com Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Les Denham]

On Thursday 21 May 2009, Steve Litt wrote:
 Hi all,

 Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in
 a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely
 and continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with embed fonts, I
 think they work anywhere.

 I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only
 with .eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal
 experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of
 those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really
 work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?

Steve,

In general, I try to use PDF whenever the graphical material is mainly lines 
and text. For solid colors it probably works the best too. But for 
gradational shading I usually use PNG.  The problem with PNG is if you make 
the resolution high enough to retain really sharp edges, the file size 
becomes very large.

I also use JPEG for photographs: PNG works fine too, but the files are larger.

-- 
Les

~~
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Kosta Welke]

On Thu, 21 May 2009 16:52:43 -0400
Steve Litt  wrote:

> Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics
> included in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've
> found them infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the
> PDF with "embed fonts", I think they work anywhere.

Note however that if there are e.g. a lot of gradients, some pdf
viewers will show an ugly, incomplete version of the pdf (e.g. evince),
while others take forever to render the page (e.g. adobe reader). I
gave up on vector graphics and use high-res pngs for everything with
gradients or lots of layers.

HTH,

Kosta

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Steve Litt]

On Thursday 21 May 2009 05:02:26 pm Kosta Welke wrote:
> On Thu, 21 May 2009 16:52:43 -0400
>
> Steve Litt  wrote:
> > Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics
> > included in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've
> > found them infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the
> > PDF with "embed fonts", I think they work anywhere.
>
> Note however that if there are e.g. a lot of gradients, some pdf
> viewers will show an ugly, incomplete version of the pdf (e.g. evince),
> while others take forever to render the page (e.g. adobe reader). I
> gave up on vector graphics and use high-res pngs for everything with
> gradients or lots of layers.

Thanks Kosta,

THIS is why I like LyX-users list. I'll definitely keep my eye out for 
problems with slow rendering. I have no access to evince so I can't test 
that, but I can sure test Acroread. I'll keep in mind to think twice before 
PDFizing graphics with lots of layers or gradients. Most of my diagrams are 
rather simple, but I'll keep my eyes open.

Thanks for the heads-up.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 21 May 2009, Steve Litt wrote:


Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included
in a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them
infinitely and continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with "embed
fonts", I think they work anywhere.



I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only with
.eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal
experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of
those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really
work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?


Steve,

  Perhaps not your imagination but your perception. I use .eps, .png, .jpg
(rarely), and .pdf with equal success.

  When I use .eps format graphics I view using dvips and compile using
LaTeX->dvips->ps2pdf. When I use .png and .pdf format graphics I view (and
compile) using pdflatex. Regardless of graphic format I can tweak the
bounding box size and scale both display and output size.

  The graphic format I use depends on whether the image is vector or raster.
However, I have used GIS (raster) images as .eps or .png files and had no
problems with LyX converting them to .pdf during compilation.

  Almost all my pdf documents are created with LyX; the occasional one with
OO.o. Fonts are embedded by default and no one's complained about not being
able to view them regardless of the platform they use.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Rich Shepard]

On Thu, 21 May 2009, Steve Litt wrote:


Most of my diagrams are rather simple, but I'll keep my eyes open.


Steve,

  For simple diagrams consider creating them with PSTricks. You will create
much better graphics than with GUI tools as lines are perfectly joined.
LaTeX is used for the text, and the .eps files work flawlessly in LyX/LaTeX.

Rich

--
Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D.   |  IntegrityCredibility
Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|Innovation
 Voice: 503-667-4517  Fax: 503-667-8863

Re: Is PDF the best graphic format for LyX?

[Les Denham]

On Thursday 21 May 2009, Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is it my imagination, or do things go MUCH better when graphics included in
> a LyX diagram are PDFs? That's what I've found. I've found them infinitely
> and continuously scalable, and if I create the PDF with "embed fonts", I
> think they work anywhere.
>
> I'm so old I remember the days when LyX seemed to work reliably only
> with .eps. THen it could work with .png/.jpg/.gif. But nowadays my personal
> experience is that PDF images inside the doc work much better than any of
> those other formats ever did. Is this a placebo effect, or do PDFs really
> work much, much better as LyX doc graphics?
>
Steve,

In general, I try to use PDF whenever the graphical material is mainly lines 
and text. For solid colors it probably works the best too. But for 
gradational shading I usually use PNG.  The problem with PNG is if you make 
the resolution high enough to retain really sharp edges, the file size 
becomes very large.

I also use JPEG for photographs: PNG works fine too, but the files are larger.

-- 
Les

~~
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html