Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Ken Pettit]

Hi Ray,

When I did the first run of NADSBoxes in 2008 / 2009 timeframe, my 
up-front cash expenditure was $13K for 240 NADSBoxes.  This is when I 
was having them built and assembled in China.  I probably still could 
have them built and assembled there, though it is a bit more challenging 
since I no longer live there.


Turns out I am traveling to China next week and will be visiting 
Shenzhen for 5 days!  YEA!!!  Maybe I could visit my old haunts while 
there (in fact I am looking forward to it).


One of the concerns with NADSBox is that I need to update the layout a 
bit to select a different SD card socket ... the socket used in the last 
round of NADSBoxes was acquired from a Chinese source with no real part 
number or way to track it.  So the footprint is specific to that part 
which is no longer available.


I am working actively on Woolly which would replace REX and in a way, 
NADSBox, via TPDD access to a host via WiFi.  But this is still a big 
development effort, both in terms of hardware and software.


If you still wanted to put up the cash after reading this, we probably 
wouldn't need to build 240 NADSBoxes as demand isn't what it was in 
2009, but it would still be in the $8K - $9K range I would guess for 
NADSBox alone.  I don't know for REX.


Ken

On 7/28/17 7:05 PM, ray gordon wrote:


I'm willing to put up the cash necessary if Ken & Stephen would be 
willing to do another run of NADS & REX.


Ray g





*From:* M100  on behalf of Gregory 
McGill 

*Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2017 11:50 AM
*To:* m...@bitchin100.com
*Subject:* Re: [M100] Model T upgrades
nope.. it seems we go through this weekly, rex is open source, you are 
welcome to make your own if you are up to it,. i have two i am meaning 
to build but surface mount is not my thing so they keep getting put 
off..   boards are on oshpark and the instructions are googlable 
nadsbox is not available..  you can use a pc and laddiealpha or other 
tools there's one for android too with a togo cable


Greg

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Robert Prather 
> wrote:


Hi All,

Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100
site, I'd have purchased one there. There's some yellow on this
one, but the memory appears maxed out (installed internally), so
wasn't a bad find overall.

I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided
to try out the Model 100. Love it so far.

From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's
available as well as REX modules.

I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these?
I'm also trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the
Model 100.

I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want
to try ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a
confirmation before I did.

thanks,

Robert

Re: [M100] Virtual cassette idea

[John R. Hogerhuis]

I think it would be cool.

You could also do this a smart phone app.

The cassette file I/o has the advantage of being integrated into the rom.
That's why I made CloudT emulator interface with google drive and such via
hooked cassette I/o commands.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Virtual cassette idea

[Russell Davis]

I keep messing around with Ted Rossin's circuit & s/w.

the website is gone but i saved the files a few times and archive.org 
has a recent backup of the schematic


https://web.archive.org/web/20170302024947/www.tedrossin.net46.net/Electronics/Pic/Schematics/CassetteInt.jpg

if the circuit interests you i'll dig out the zip file with the software 
and everything in it.


bst rgrds

Russell



On 7/28/2017 10:13 PM, Ron Lauzon wrote:

I'm running an idea through my head and I'd like to bounce it off you guys.

The idea is to create a virtual cassette recorder/player.  Possibly
for my T102, but also for the pocket computers that I have.

I've found this
(https://www.tindie.com/products/masihvahida/audio-stereo-sound-player--recorder-module/)
which is pretty much done.  I would just have to hook up an RS-232
shifter and sacrifice a cassette cable for my T102.

I've also found this
(https://www.tindie.com/products/masihvahida/soundduino--audio-shield-for-arduino/)
that I'd have to do my own programming for as well as add an Arduino.
This one also has normal 3.5mm jacks, so no cable sacrifice needed.

The idea would be that I could use CSAVE and record a WAV file onto
the SD card and use CLOAD to read it back in when I wanted.  I've seen
this offered as a way to load software for pocket computers using
their cassette interface and the sound inputs/outputs on a PC.

Re: [M100] Virtual cassette idea

[Lee Olivares]

Jeez, storing a huge WAV file for the several hundred encoded bytes reminds
me of the cryo-flux approach to backing up floppies vs FC5025 which reads
floppies like floppies.

How about "encoding" the audio into a file, then playing the saved encoded
file back as audio?

More work for sure, not sure if it's even possible (seems like it should
be).

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Ron Lauzon  wrote:

> I'm running an idea through my head and I'd like to bounce it off you guys.
>
> The idea is to create a virtual cassette recorder/player.  Possibly
> for my T102, but also for the pocket computers that I have.
>
> I've found this
> (https://www.tindie.com/products/masihvahida/audio-
> stereo-sound-player--recorder-module/)
> which is pretty much done.  I would just have to hook up an RS-232
> shifter and sacrifice a cassette cable for my T102.
>
> I've also found this
> (https://www.tindie.com/products/masihvahida/soundduino--audio-shield-for-
> arduino/)
> that I'd have to do my own programming for as well as add an Arduino.
> This one also has normal 3.5mm jacks, so no cable sacrifice needed.
>
> The idea would be that I could use CSAVE and record a WAV file onto
> the SD card and use CLOAD to read it back in when I wanted.  I've seen
> this offered as a way to load software for pocket computers using
> their cassette interface and the sound inputs/outputs on a PC.
>
> --
> Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org
>Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/
>Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/
>
> TRS-80 Model 1 Level II -> Commodore PET -> TRS-80 PC-4 -> Computer
> Science Degree -> Intel MS-DOS -> IBM MVS/TSO/VM -> HP 1000/RTE-A ->
> IBM RISC/AIX -> Intel Windows/Linux -> Raspberry Pi Debian -> Arduino
> -> Tandy 102.I think I've come full circle.
>



-- 

 - Lee
 - 909.437.0250
 - Destroying technology problems.

[M100] Virtual cassette idea

[Ron Lauzon]

I'm running an idea through my head and I'd like to bounce it off you guys.

The idea is to create a virtual cassette recorder/player.  Possibly
for my T102, but also for the pocket computers that I have.

I've found this
(https://www.tindie.com/products/masihvahida/audio-stereo-sound-player--recorder-module/)
which is pretty much done.  I would just have to hook up an RS-232
shifter and sacrifice a cassette cable for my T102.

I've also found this
(https://www.tindie.com/products/masihvahida/soundduino--audio-shield-for-arduino/)
that I'd have to do my own programming for as well as add an Arduino.
This one also has normal 3.5mm jacks, so no cable sacrifice needed.

The idea would be that I could use CSAVE and record a WAV file onto
the SD card and use CLOAD to read it back in when I wanted.  I've seen
this offered as a way to load software for pocket computers using
their cassette interface and the sound inputs/outputs on a PC.

-- 
Ron Lauzon - rlauzon at acm dot org
   Homepage: http://webpages.charter.net/rlauzon/
   Weblog: http://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/

TRS-80 Model 1 Level II -> Commodore PET -> TRS-80 PC-4 -> Computer
Science Degree -> Intel MS-DOS -> IBM MVS/TSO/VM -> HP 1000/RTE-A ->
IBM RISC/AIX -> Intel Windows/Linux -> Raspberry Pi Debian -> Arduino
-> Tandy 102.I think I've come full circle.

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[ray gordon]

I'm willing to put up the cash necessary if Ken & Stephen would be willing to 
do another run of NADS & REX.

Ray g




From: M100  on behalf of Gregory McGill 

Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:50 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

nope.. it seems we go through this weekly, rex is open source, you are welcome 
to make your own if you are up to it,. i have two i am meaning to build but 
surface mount is not my thing so they keep getting put off..   boards are on 
oshpark and the instructions are googlable nadsbox is not available..  you can 
use a pc and laddiealpha or other tools there's one for android too with a togo 
cable

Greg

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Robert Prather 
> wrote:
Hi All,

Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd have 
purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory appears 
maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall.

I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try out the 
Model 100. Love it so far.

>From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available as 
>well as REX modules.

I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm also 
trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.

I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try 
ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before I did.

thanks,

Robert

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Maybe you could make the bottom of peg as thought it were sliced through at
an angle and the bottom would rest flat on the desk?

Then you wouldn't need rubber feet.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Lee Olivares]

I think we could probably find the actual rubber feet or a contemporary
equivalent, it's even easier than I thought...with measurement vars it's
like 3 lines of code.

Looks like this page shows two different styles, one is tapered so it
probably doesn't fall out as easily.

http://munk.org/typecast/2013/02/17/tilting-for-visibility-travel-typewriters-and-trs-80-model-100s/

I have no originals but I've wanted a set, someone get me measurements and
I'll crank it out.

//taper style
toin=25.4;
height=2*toin;
topdia=.30*toin;
botdia=.20*toin;

cylinder(h=height, d1=topdia, d2=botdia, $fn=24);

//straight style
toin=25.4;
height=2*toin;
dia=.20*toin;

cylinder(h=height, d=dia, $fn=24);

I cut the eraser end off a couple of pencils. The erasers are non-skid
> (bonus!).

I actually kind of like this idea...if you give them a dull point maybe
you'll have a pair of ready backups in case your batteries die.
[image: Inline image 1]

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Lee Olivares  wrote:

> I'm messing around in OpenSCAD today, this thing is probably the most
> trivial thing ever to crank out --  <20 LoC -- if someone can supply
> accurate dimensions and a reference picture.
>
> OpenSCAD = naturally parametric so you can "dial a height" just by
> twiddling a variable.
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Peter Vollan 
> wrote:
>
>> Don't think you can find the model 100 legs, but you can make your
>> own. Someone should make a .cad file so we can 3d print them
>>
>>
>> On 28 July 2017 at 11:06, Robert Prather 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd
>> > have purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the
>> memory
>> > appears maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall.
>> >
>> > I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try
>> out
>> > the Model 100. Love it so far.
>> >
>> > From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available
>> as
>> > well as REX modules.
>> >
>> > I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm
>> also
>> > trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.
>> >
>> > I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try
>> > ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before
>> I
>> > did.
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> >
>> > Robert
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
>  - Lee
>  - 909.437.0250 <(909)%20437-0250>
>  - Destroying technology problems.
>



-- 

 - Lee
 - 909.437.0250
 - Destroying technology problems.

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Roger Mullins]

I cut the eraser end off a couple of pencils. The erasers are non-skid (bonus!).
Roger


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: Peter Vollan  
Date: 07/28/2017  4:58 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: m...@bitchin100.com 
Subject: Re: [M100] Model T upgrades 

Don't think you can find the model 100 legs, but you can make your
own. Someone should make a .cad file so we can 3d print them


On 28 July 2017 at 11:06, Robert Prather  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd
> have purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory
> appears maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall.
>
> I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try out
> the Model 100. Love it so far.
>
> From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available as
> well as REX modules.
>
> I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm also
> trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.
>
> I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try
> ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before I
> did.
>
> thanks,
>
> Robert

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Lee Olivares]

I'm messing around in OpenSCAD today, this thing is probably the most
trivial thing ever to crank out --  <20 LoC -- if someone can supply
accurate dimensions and a reference picture.

OpenSCAD = naturally parametric so you can "dial a height" just by
twiddling a variable.

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Peter Vollan  wrote:

> Don't think you can find the model 100 legs, but you can make your
> own. Someone should make a .cad file so we can 3d print them
>
>
> On 28 July 2017 at 11:06, Robert Prather 
> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd
> > have purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory
> > appears maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall.
> >
> > I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try
> out
> > the Model 100. Love it so far.
> >
> > From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available
> as
> > well as REX modules.
> >
> > I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm
> also
> > trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.
> >
> > I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try
> > ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before I
> > did.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Robert
>



-- 

 - Lee
 - 909.437.0250
 - Destroying technology problems.

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Peter Vollan]

Don't think you can find the model 100 legs, but you can make your
own. Someone should make a .cad file so we can 3d print them


On 28 July 2017 at 11:06, Robert Prather  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd
> have purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory
> appears maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall.
>
> I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try out
> the Model 100. Love it so far.
>
> From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available as
> well as REX modules.
>
> I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm also
> trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.
>
> I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try
> ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before I
> did.
>
> thanks,
>
> Robert

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Kurt McCullum]

Robert,

 

Neither REX nor NadsBox are currently in production. There are quite a few 
alternatives for a TPDD emulator. LadieAlpha works on multiple platforms. mComm 
works on a Windows PC or an Android phone. So it really depends on what you 
want to hook your 100 up with to act as a storage unit.

The legs come up every now and then on eBay. Just keep your eye out and 
eventually they will be on sale.

Welcome to the list.

 

Kurt

 

From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of Robert 
Prather
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:07 AM
To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com
Subject: [M100] Model T upgrades

 

Hi All,


 

Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd have 
purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory appears 
maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall. 

 

I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try out the 
Model 100. Love it so far. 

 

>From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available as 
>well as REX modules. 

 

I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm also 
trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.

 

I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try 
ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before I did.

 

thanks,

 

Robert

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Flow gmail]

Robert,

A #2 wooden pencil with good eraser, hacksawn a couple of inches from top, 
makes as good a leg for Model 100 as any.

Gene Corrigan
flowcharles...@gmail.com
>>>175 Market Street, 407<<<
Charleston SC 29401-691707

+843.870.3235

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Gregory McGill  wrote:
> 
> nope.. it seems we go through this weekly, rex is open source, you are 
> welcome to make your own if you are up to it,. i have two i am meaning to 
> build but surface mount is not my thing so they keep getting put off..   
> boards are on oshpark and the instructions are googlable nadsbox is not 
> available..  you can use a pc and laddiealpha or other tools there's one for 
> android too with a togo cable 
> 
> Greg
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Robert Prather 
>>  wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd 
>> have purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory 
>> appears maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall. 
>> 
>> I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try out 
>> the Model 100. Love it so far. 
>> 
>> From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available as 
>> well as REX modules. 
>> 
>> I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm also 
>> trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.
>> 
>> I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try 
>> ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before I 
>> did.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> 
>> Robert
> 

Re: [M100] Model T upgrades

[Gregory McGill]

nope.. it seems we go through this weekly, rex is open source, you are
welcome to make your own if you are up to it,. i have two i am meaning to
build but surface mount is not my thing so they keep getting put off..
boards are on oshpark and the instructions are googlable nadsbox is not
available..  you can use a pc and laddiealpha or other tools there's one
for android too with a togo cable

Greg

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Robert Prather  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd
> have purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory
> appears maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall.
>
> I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try
> out the Model 100. Love it so far.
>
> From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available as
> well as REX modules.
>
> I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm
> also trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.
>
> I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try
> ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before I
> did.
>
> thanks,
>
> Robert
>

[M100] Model T upgrades

[Robert Prather]

Hi All,

Just got a Model 100 off of eBay. If I'd known of the Club 100 site, I'd
have purchased one there. There's some yellow on this one, but the memory
appears maxed out (installed internally), so wasn't a bad find overall.

I've used a color computer 2 for years, and love it, and decided to try out
the Model 100. Love it so far.

>From the Club 100 site, I saw that there used to be NADSBox's available as
well as REX modules.

I'm emailing to find out if it's still possible to purchase these? I'm also
trying to track down the little legs that can prop up the Model 100.

I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I didn't want to try
ordering from the Club 100 site, because I wanted a confirmation before I
did.

thanks,

Robert

Re: [M100] Model T equipment (NOT BY ME)

[John R. Hogerhuis]

I'd choose the T200 if I didn't already have a couple.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Model T equipment (NOT BY ME)

[Russell Davis]

as shipping from the UK to the USA would be exorbitant i'm passing on 
everything except what will fit in the royal mail equiv of a medium USPS 
priority intl. one price shipping box.


One of the PC-whatevers, a REX and maybe one of the NEC's or an M200 or 
if I can do a really good sad eyes at them over skype the Olivetti. I'll 
check to see if anyone I know is coming to the USA soon and see if I can 
wangle the 4P as i've lusted after a M3 or 4/4P since about 3 days after 
leaving college where they were the computers we used for the CS, COBOL 
and business modules


I trust these guys to look after everything and not just leave it 
sitting in storage as they have good track records with retro hardware 
and the skills to fix anything that needs fixing.


given the choice between the NEC and the m200 what would you lot choose?

bst rgrds
Russell

On 7/28/2017 11:19 AM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:

Well that's good.

So are you getting the Model T stuff?

-- John.

Re: [M100] Model T equipment (NOT BY ME)

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Well that's good.

So are you getting the Model T stuff?

-- John.