Re: [M100] M100 Audio / music

[Ken Pettit]

Thanks!

My next production will run on CloudT also (or a real M100 of course) 
and will (hopefully) be even cooler!


Ken

On 12/30/22 9:25 PM, Jerry Davis wrote:

I would have :)

But running it on CloudT was WAY more convenient.  And very cool!

Jerry

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022, 10:21 PM Mike Stein > wrote:


Convenience; how many people would have dug out a special cable
(if they had one) and speakers to listen to Ken's Xmas card...

m


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 8:21 PM Gregory McGill
mailto:arcadeshop...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I realize that, but since it sounds like a very
small potato why not hook up speakers to the cass out like
my model 3/4 does

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:04 PM Mike Stein
mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think we're trying to use the internal beeper like the
PC, PET etc. do



On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 6:23 PM Gregory McGill
mailto:arcadeshop...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Why don't you play it out the cassette port like the
other trash80s do?

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 7:57 PM Ken Pettit
mailto:petti...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 12/29/22 6:46 PM, MikeS wrote:
> There's quite a bit of 1-bit music out there for
the PC, PET and other systems that only had a
speaker, some of it remarkably good; should be
possible to use similar techniques and even the
same sound files on the M100.

I actually tried playing a 1-bit audio file (that
I recorded) last night
on the M100 using a small ML routine I wrote.  I
could tell it was a
person talking, but couldn't make out any of the
words.  I think the
piezoelectric device the M100 uses as a "speaker"
just doesn't cut it.
At least I believe that is the problem.

Ken

> Re MIDI: there was a project years ago to use an
M100 as a MIDI sequencer; IIRC the baud rate was
'close enough'. I cobbled together an interface
for a proof-of-concept and it seemed to work OK;
never went beyond that though ;-(

Yeah, I was kinda wondering / thinking 1.7% error
might be close enough,
but not having any MIDI devices, I have no way to
test it.

Ken

Re: [M100] M100 Audio / music

[Jerry Davis]

I would have :)

But running it on CloudT was WAY more convenient.  And very cool!

Jerry

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022, 10:21 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

> Convenience; how many people would have dug out a special cable (if they
> had one) and speakers to listen to Ken's Xmas card...
>
> m
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 8:21 PM Gregory McGill 
> wrote:
>
>> I realize that, but since it sounds like a very small potato why not
>> hook up speakers to the cass out like my model 3/4 does
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:04 PM Mike Stein  wrote:
>>
>>> I think we're trying to use the internal beeper like the PC, PET etc. do
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 6:23 PM Gregory McGill 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Why don't you play it out the cassette port like the other trash80s do?

 On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 7:57 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:

> On 12/29/22 6:46 PM, MikeS wrote:
> > There's quite a bit of 1-bit music out there for the PC, PET and
> other systems that only had a speaker, some of it remarkably good; should
> be possible to use similar techniques and even the same sound files on the
> M100.
>
> I actually tried playing a 1-bit audio file (that I recorded) last
> night
> on the M100 using a small ML routine I wrote.  I could tell it was a
> person talking, but couldn't make out any of the words.  I think the
> piezoelectric device the M100 uses as a "speaker" just doesn't cut
> it.
> At least I believe that is the problem.
>
> Ken
>
> > Re MIDI: there was a project years ago to use an M100 as a MIDI
> sequencer; IIRC the baud rate was 'close enough'. I cobbled together an
> interface for a proof-of-concept and it seemed to work OK; never went
> beyond that though ;-(
>
> Yeah, I was kinda wondering / thinking 1.7% error might be close
> enough,
> but not having any MIDI devices, I have no way to test it.
>
> Ken
>
>

Re: [M100] M100 Audio / music

[Ken Pettit]

Yes, this is the nail square on the head.  Anything that requires a 
special [fill in the blank] means the audience is limited to only those 
with that special doohickey.


Ken

On 12/30/22 8:20 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
Convenience; how many people would have dug out a special cable (if 
they had one) and speakers to listen to Ken's Xmas card...


m


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 8:21 PM Gregory McGill 
mailto:arcadeshop...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I realize that, but since it sounds like a very small potato
why not hook up speakers to the cass out like my model 3/4 does

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:04 PM Mike Stein mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think we're trying to use the internal beeper like the PC,
PET etc. do



On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 6:23 PM Gregory McGill
mailto:arcadeshop...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Why don't you play it out the cassette port like the other
trash80s do?

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 7:57 PM Ken Pettit
mailto:petti...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 12/29/22 6:46 PM, MikeS wrote:
> There's quite a bit of 1-bit music out there for the
PC, PET and other systems that only had a speaker,
some of it remarkably good; should be possible to use
similar techniques and even the same sound files on
the M100.

I actually tried playing a 1-bit audio file (that I
recorded) last night
on the M100 using a small ML routine I wrote.  I could
tell it was a
person talking, but couldn't make out any of the
words.  I think the
piezoelectric device the M100 uses as a "speaker" just
doesn't cut it.
At least I believe that is the problem.

Ken

> Re MIDI: there was a project years ago to use an
M100 as a MIDI sequencer; IIRC the baud rate was
'close enough'. I cobbled together an interface for a
proof-of-concept and it seemed to work OK; never went
beyond that though ;-(

Yeah, I was kinda wondering / thinking 1.7% error
might be close enough,
but not having any MIDI devices, I have no way to test it.

Ken

Re: [M100] M100 Audio / music

[Mike Stein]

Convenience; how many people would have dug out a special cable (if they
had one) and speakers to listen to Ken's Xmas card...

m


On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 8:21 PM Gregory McGill 
wrote:

> I realize that, but since it sounds like a very small potato why not
> hook up speakers to the cass out like my model 3/4 does
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:04 PM Mike Stein  wrote:
>
>> I think we're trying to use the internal beeper like the PC, PET etc. do
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 6:23 PM Gregory McGill 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't you play it out the cassette port like the other trash80s do?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 7:57 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:
>>>
 On 12/29/22 6:46 PM, MikeS wrote:
 > There's quite a bit of 1-bit music out there for the PC, PET and
 other systems that only had a speaker, some of it remarkably good; should
 be possible to use similar techniques and even the same sound files on the
 M100.

 I actually tried playing a 1-bit audio file (that I recorded) last
 night
 on the M100 using a small ML routine I wrote.  I could tell it was a
 person talking, but couldn't make out any of the words.  I think the
 piezoelectric device the M100 uses as a "speaker" just doesn't cut it.
 At least I believe that is the problem.

 Ken

 > Re MIDI: there was a project years ago to use an M100 as a MIDI
 sequencer; IIRC the baud rate was 'close enough'. I cobbled together an
 interface for a proof-of-concept and it seemed to work OK; never went
 beyond that though ;-(

 Yeah, I was kinda wondering / thinking 1.7% error might be close
 enough,
 but not having any MIDI devices, I have no way to test it.

 Ken

Re: [M100] M100 Audio / music

[Mike Stein]

Ah, I see what you mean; no, one-bit sound on one hand and 'normal' UART
MIDI on the other - no bit-banging.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 7:50 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> Are you talking about sound or bit banging MIDI protocol?
>
> -- John.
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022, 3:23 PM Gregory McGill 
> wrote:
>
>> Why don't you play it out the cassette port like the other trash80s do?
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 7:57 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/29/22 6:46 PM, MikeS wrote:
>>> > There's quite a bit of 1-bit music out there for the PC, PET and other
>>> systems that only had a speaker, some of it remarkably good; should be
>>> possible to use similar techniques and even the same sound files on the
>>> M100.
>>>
>>> I actually tried playing a 1-bit audio file (that I recorded) last night
>>> on the M100 using a small ML routine I wrote.  I could tell it was a
>>> person talking, but couldn't make out any of the words.  I think the
>>> piezoelectric device the M100 uses as a "speaker" just doesn't cut it.
>>> At least I believe that is the problem.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> > Re MIDI: there was a project years ago to use an M100 as a MIDI
>>> sequencer; IIRC the baud rate was 'close enough'. I cobbled together an
>>> interface for a proof-of-concept and it seemed to work OK; never went
>>> beyond that though ;-(
>>>
>>> Yeah, I was kinda wondering / thinking 1.7% error might be close enough,
>>> but not having any MIDI devices, I have no way to test it.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>

Re: [M100] M100 Audio / music

[Gregory McGill]

sound..  on my model 3/4 i have a speaker hooked to the cassette out lead
and it plays music sounds and speech from games etc

On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 4:50 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> Are you talking about sound or bit banging MIDI protocol?
>
> -- John.
>
> On Fri, Dec 30, 2022, 3:23 PM Gregory McGill 
> wrote:
>
>> Why don't you play it out the cassette port like the other trash80s do?
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 7:57 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/29/22 6:46 PM, MikeS wrote:
>>> > There's quite a bit of 1-bit music out there for the PC, PET and other
>>> systems that only had a speaker, some of it remarkably good; should be
>>> possible to use similar techniques and even the same sound files on the
>>> M100.
>>>
>>> I actually tried playing a 1-bit audio file (that I recorded) last night
>>> on the M100 using a small ML routine I wrote.  I could tell it was a
>>> person talking, but couldn't make out any of the words.  I think the
>>> piezoelectric device the M100 uses as a "speaker" just doesn't cut it.
>>> At least I believe that is the problem.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> > Re MIDI: there was a project years ago to use an M100 as a MIDI
>>> sequencer; IIRC the baud rate was 'close enough'. I cobbled together an
>>> interface for a proof-of-concept and it seemed to work OK; never went
>>> beyond that though ;-(
>>>
>>> Yeah, I was kinda wondering / thinking 1.7% error might be close enough,
>>> but not having any MIDI devices, I have no way to test it.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>

Re: [M100] M100 Audio / music

[Mike Stein]

I think we're trying to use the internal beeper like the PC, PET etc. do



On Fri, Dec 30, 2022 at 6:23 PM Gregory McGill 
wrote:

> Why don't you play it out the cassette port like the other trash80s do?
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 7:57 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:
>
>> On 12/29/22 6:46 PM, MikeS wrote:
>> > There's quite a bit of 1-bit music out there for the PC, PET and other
>> systems that only had a speaker, some of it remarkably good; should be
>> possible to use similar techniques and even the same sound files on the
>> M100.
>>
>> I actually tried playing a 1-bit audio file (that I recorded) last night
>> on the M100 using a small ML routine I wrote.  I could tell it was a
>> person talking, but couldn't make out any of the words.  I think the
>> piezoelectric device the M100 uses as a "speaker" just doesn't cut it.
>> At least I believe that is the problem.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> > Re MIDI: there was a project years ago to use an M100 as a MIDI
>> sequencer; IIRC the baud rate was 'close enough'. I cobbled together an
>> interface for a proof-of-concept and it seemed to work OK; never went
>> beyond that though ;-(
>>
>> Yeah, I was kinda wondering / thinking 1.7% error might be close enough,
>> but not having any MIDI devices, I have no way to test it.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>

Re: [M100] M100 Audio / music

[Gregory McGill]

Why don't you play it out the cassette port like the other trash80s do?

On Thu, Dec 29, 2022, 7:57 PM Ken Pettit  wrote:

> On 12/29/22 6:46 PM, MikeS wrote:
> > There's quite a bit of 1-bit music out there for the PC, PET and other
> systems that only had a speaker, some of it remarkably good; should be
> possible to use similar techniques and even the same sound files on the
> M100.
>
> I actually tried playing a 1-bit audio file (that I recorded) last night
> on the M100 using a small ML routine I wrote.  I could tell it was a
> person talking, but couldn't make out any of the words.  I think the
> piezoelectric device the M100 uses as a "speaker" just doesn't cut it.
> At least I believe that is the problem.
>
> Ken
>
> > Re MIDI: there was a project years ago to use an M100 as a MIDI
> sequencer; IIRC the baud rate was 'close enough'. I cobbled together an
> interface for a proof-of-concept and it seemed to work OK; never went
> beyond that though ;-(
>
> Yeah, I was kinda wondering / thinking 1.7% error might be close enough,
> but not having any MIDI devices, I have no way to test it.
>
> Ken
>
>