Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Gregory McGill]

cool I ordered a couple boards from oshpark for these

On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 4:40 PM Andrew  wrote:

> Re: Pulse to DTMF
>
> Here's an expensive option:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Converter-Antique-Rotary-Telephone-Modern/dp/B00DUDAR5M
>
> Hopefully the other one is cheaper? Or - build your own?
>
>
> https://www.mattmillman.com/projects/building-your-own-pulse-to-tone-converter/
>
> Andrew L. Ayers
> Glendale, Arizona
> phoenixgarage.org
> github.com/andrew-ayers
>

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Andrew]

Re: Pulse to DTMF

Here's an expensive option:

https://www.amazon.com/Converter-Antique-Rotary-Telephone-Modern/dp/B00DUDAR5M

Hopefully the other one is cheaper? Or - build your own?

https://www.mattmillman.com/projects/building-your-own-pulse-to-tone-converter/

Andrew L. Ayers
Glendale, Arizona
phoenixgarage.org
github.com/andrew-ayers

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Wayne Lorentz]

None.  My wife doesn’t save things like that.  She’s one of those people who 
keeps 140 tabs open, instead.  

> On Oct 12, 2022, at 3:03 PM, m100-requ...@lists.bitchin100.com wrote:
> 
> From: Peter Vollan mailto:dprogra...@gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world
> Date: October 12, 2022 at 2:41:57 PM CDT
> To: m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
> 
> 
> link?
> 
> 
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 11:54, Wayne Lorentz  <mailto:wa...@lorentz.me>> wrote:
> It is possible to dial DTMF from a Model 100, with a little help. 
> 
> My wife has a rotary phone, and bought a little line-powered box that 
> translates pulses into Touch Tones. I think she paid about $20 for it from a 
> guy in Australia who makes them. Seems to work well. 
> 

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Peter Vollan]

link?


On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 11:54, Wayne Lorentz  wrote:

> It is possible to dial DTMF from a Model 100, with a little help.
>
> My wife has a rotary phone, and bought a little line-powered box that
> translates pulses into Touch Tones. I think she paid about $20 for it from
> a guy in Australia who makes them. Seems to work well.
>

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Wayne Lorentz]

It is possible to dial DTMF from a Model 100, with a little help. 

My wife has a rotary phone, and bought a little line-powered box that 
translates pulses into Touch Tones. I think she paid about $20 for it from a 
guy in Australia who makes them. Seems to work well. 

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Brian K. White]

On 10/7/22 11:03, Joshua O'Keefe wrote:

On Oct 7, 2022, at 7:41 AM, Will Senn  wrote:
I unpacked the .deb file and after a bit of sorting out dependencies, 
got it running on my mac:


For future reference, I keep a tarball of this (plus a distribution with 
bit of stuff to build a Docker image) in my bucket[1].  It's a touch 
easier to install for folks who don't use Debian-based packaging.


Cool - kinda like a python dlplus... Is this the same mcomm you're 
referring to?


Python mComm is a fairly recent innovation.  I think many folks who use 
mComm are referring to the Android or Windows software of the same name. 
  I don't have Android or Windows so I can't speak to the feature set of 
those particular implementations but as far as I'm aware Python mComm 
doesn't have modem emulation.  A cursory examination of the code doesn't 
show anything that looks like it.


One of mComm's differentiating features is special support for the 
Sardine[2] dictionary image. I don't believe other TPDD emulators have 
Sardine disk image support.


I added disk image support including Sardine to dlplus a few months ago.
pdd.sh and dlplus now both read and write the same disk image format 
too. And they both support both TPDD1 and TPDD2 disk images, and both 
TPDD1 and TPDD2 sector access commands.


And it has magic files for the TS-DOS and Sardine ram versions so that 
UR-II always works even if your current share directory doesn't have 
SAR100.CO etc.


And I included a Sardine disk image so it can be used any time by just 
pasting the right command line options from the readme.


What it does NOT do yet is provide file access to files in a disk image 
like mounting a disk image. A client can do both file access and sector 
access commands at the same time, but sector access commands will 
operate on the disk image and file access commands will operate on 
normal local files in the share path.


That is potentially not a great situation. If you had software that 
expected to do both sector access and file access on the same files, it 
won't work. But so far the only two uses for disk images I have found, 
both happen to work just by chance.


In the case of Sardine, the disk is a pure data disk with no filesystem, 
so it doesn't break anything that you can't access files on it.


The only other example is Disk-Power, which is a normal filesystem disk 
with a working filesystem and files, but also abnormal in that it also 
has hidden data in some sectors that are not marked as being in-use, so 
nothing but pdd.sh sees them. The installer turns out not to do any file 
access. It only reads a few of those hidden blocks using TPDD1 sector 
access commands, and the disk image satisfies it. I only have the KC-85 
version of that so few people can even try it.


--
bkw

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Jeff Gonzales]

Funny, I was trying to plug a "square" credit card reader into my wife's
iPhone only to discover they don't come with audio jacks anymore.



On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 6:29 PM you got me  wrote:

> "plug into the headset jack of your cell phone"
>
> I'm amazed there are still phones that have an audio jack these days.
> --
> *From:* M100  on behalf of
> lloydel...@comcast.net 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2022 10:10 PM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world
>
>
> Love to give Texas credit, but I suspect it was because Xfinity “improved
> “ their box.   Oh well.The only reason I added the phone service was it
> saved me $40 over the entire bill to have three services (internet, cable
> and phone) and only cost $30 to add phone giving me a net savings of $10.
> I seldom use the phone except to answer when my wife calls from upstairs
> and I left my cell phone upstairs.   The old rotary dial phone has a nice
> loud mechanical ringer.
>
>
>
> Sorry about the off-topic post.  There have been some great discussions
> going on lately.   I don’t mean to distract from them.  I like them all.
>
>
>
> However, I doubt I will ever use the modem on the M100.   The NEC didn’t
> even bother with the modem.   Back in the day, I use to use a big old
> acoustical coupler modem with the NEC 8201 .   My rotary dial phone would
> fit one of those quite nicely had I retained the modem.
>
>
>
> A wild idea for a kluge might be to come up with some electronics that
> would plug into the headset jack of your cell phone and also your M100.
> Perhaps you could establish comm by dialing using the cell then let the
> M100 talk to whatever computer it was you dialed.   I’m thinking the
> electronics between the M100 and the cell phone would simply be signal
> leveling but more research would be needed.
>
>
>
> I’ll be quiet now.  😊
>
> Lloyd
>
>
>
> *From:* M100  *On Behalf Of *Jeff
> Gonzales
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2022 4:10 PM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world
>
>
>
> Texas does it better.  :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 2:54 PM  wrote:
>
> Although the phone companies support pulse dialing, not all internet
> modems do if you are doing voice over IP.
>
>
>
> I have an old rotary dial telephone I acquired a while back from eBay.
> It worked fine when I lived in Texas but when we moved to Illinois, I
> discovered the new Xfinity box we got would no longer support rotary
> (pulse) dialing.   If I recall, the Xfinity box I had in Texas did work
> just fine.
>
>
>
> Lloyd
>
>
>
> *From:* M100  *On Behalf Of *Peter
> Vollan
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2022 1:40 PM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world
>
>
>
> Here in the USA, phone companies are required to continue to support pulse
> dialing.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 08:05, Cedric Amand  wrote:
>
> Hey I'm not alone :)
>
>
>
> I'm also a fan of telecom and I made the built in modem of my m102 (300
> bauds as you said) work
>
>
>
> What I can suggest if you would like to experiment a lot with vintage
> modems ;  is getting a home PABX (a phone exchange), or a small business
> PABX (even an isdn pabx works) You can find those for anywhere between 20
> and 100 dollars/euros on ebay because nobody needs them anymore, like a 4
> lines pabx.
>
>
>
> This allows you to have your own PSTN network for your experiments (if
> you're into that kind of thing that is)
>
>
>
> I made "calls" between my Model 102 and a USR56K modem with no issue.
>
> You also need a cable. That cable is so vintage that you actually have to
> pickup the phone to make it dial.
>
>
>
> Beware that the M100 and M102 do not support DTMF dialing, only pulse, and
> nowadays it's probably impossible to make a call with pulse. You can
> however dial the number yourself (with the above cable) - or, again, use a
> PABX that supports both DTMF and PULSE.
>
> From my own experience, at least over here in europe, it's impossible to
> make proper modem calls on land line like they worked back in the day, for
> gow knows what reason the quality of the line makes it impossible to
> negociate anything above 14,4k. I guess they filter more or the signal is
> so digital that it doesn't behave in the proper way an analog modem expects.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 2022-10-06 20:27, Will Senn  a écrit :
>
> As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and
>

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[you got me]

"plug into the headset jack of your cell phone"

I'm amazed there are still phones that have an audio jack these days.

From: M100  on behalf of 
lloydel...@comcast.net 
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 10:10 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com 
Subject: Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world


Love to give Texas credit, but I suspect it was because Xfinity “improved “ 
their box.   Oh well.The only reason I added the phone service was it saved 
me $40 over the entire bill to have three services (internet, cable and phone) 
and only cost $30 to add phone giving me a net savings of $10.  I seldom use 
the phone except to answer when my wife calls from upstairs and I left my cell 
phone upstairs.   The old rotary dial phone has a nice loud mechanical ringer.



Sorry about the off-topic post.  There have been some great discussions going 
on lately.   I don’t mean to distract from them.  I like them all.



However, I doubt I will ever use the modem on the M100.   The NEC didn’t even 
bother with the modem.   Back in the day, I use to use a big old acoustical 
coupler modem with the NEC 8201 .   My rotary dial phone would fit one of those 
quite nicely had I retained the modem.



A wild idea for a kluge might be to come up with some electronics that would 
plug into the headset jack of your cell phone and also your M100.Perhaps 
you could establish comm by dialing using the cell then let the M100 talk to 
whatever computer it was you dialed.   I’m thinking the electronics between the 
M100 and the cell phone would simply be signal leveling but more research would 
be needed.



I’ll be quiet now.  ??

Lloyd



From: M100  On Behalf Of Jeff Gonzales
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 4:10 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world



Texas does it better.  :)



On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 2:54 PM 
mailto:lloydel...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Although the phone companies support pulse dialing, not all internet modems do 
if you are doing voice over IP.



I have an old rotary dial telephone I acquired a while back from eBay.   It 
worked fine when I lived in Texas but when we moved to Illinois, I discovered 
the new Xfinity box we got would no longer support rotary (pulse) dialing.   If 
I recall, the Xfinity box I had in Texas did work just fine.



Lloyd



From: M100 
mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com>> 
On Behalf Of Peter Vollan
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 1:40 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
Subject: Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world



Here in the USA, phone companies are required to continue to support pulse 
dialing.



On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 08:05, Cedric Amand 
mailto:ced...@cedric.net>> wrote:

Hey I'm not alone :)



I'm also a fan of telecom and I made the built in modem of my m102 (300 bauds 
as you said) work



What I can suggest if you would like to experiment a lot with vintage modems ;  
is getting a home PABX (a phone exchange), or a small business PABX (even an 
isdn pabx works) You can find those for anywhere between 20 and 100 
dollars/euros on ebay because nobody needs them anymore, like a 4 lines pabx.



This allows you to have your own PSTN network for your experiments (if you're 
into that kind of thing that is)



I made "calls" between my Model 102 and a USR56K modem with no issue.

You also need a cable. That cable is so vintage that you actually have to 
pickup the phone to make it dial.



Beware that the M100 and M102 do not support DTMF dialing, only pulse, and 
nowadays it's probably impossible to make a call with pulse. You can however 
dial the number yourself (with the above cable) - or, again, use a PABX that 
supports both DTMF and PULSE.

>From my own experience, at least over here in europe, it's impossible to make 
>proper modem calls on land line like they worked back in the day, for gow 
>knows what reason the quality of the line makes it impossible to negociate 
>anything above 14,4k. I guess they filter more or the signal is so digital 
>that it doesn't behave in the proper way an analog modem expects.







Le 2022-10-06 20:27, Will Senn 
mailto:will.s...@gmail.com>> a écrit :

As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and enjoying the 
process of treading down memory lane. Last night I finished coding up my banner 
program using the M100 font. Now I just need a printer (or retroprinter 
emulator) to try it out on... in the meantime, I'm catching up on remote 
communications. If I understand correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud 
modem. Am I understanding this correctly?



If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it? I don't 
currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone? (never saw that 
coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone, hilarious, but there you have 
it). Are there BBSes still in operation?



Later,



Will

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[lloydelmer]

Love to give Texas credit, but I suspect it was because Xfinity “improved “ 
their box.   Oh well.The only reason I added the phone service was it saved 
me $40 over the entire bill to have three services (internet, cable and phone) 
and only cost $30 to add phone giving me a net savings of $10.  I seldom use 
the phone except to answer when my wife calls from upstairs and I left my cell 
phone upstairs.   The old rotary dial phone has a nice loud mechanical ringer.  


 

Sorry about the off-topic post.  There have been some great discussions going 
on lately.   I don’t mean to distract from them.  I like them all.

 

However, I doubt I will ever use the modem on the M100.   The NEC didn’t even 
bother with the modem.   Back in the day, I use to use a big old acoustical 
coupler modem with the NEC 8201 .   My rotary dial phone would fit one of those 
quite nicely had I retained the modem.   

 

A wild idea for a kluge might be to come up with some electronics that would 
plug into the headset jack of your cell phone and also your M100.Perhaps 
you could establish comm by dialing using the cell then let the M100 talk to 
whatever computer it was you dialed.   I’m thinking the electronics between the 
M100 and the cell phone would simply be signal leveling but more research would 
be needed.

 

I’ll be quiet now.  😊

Lloyd

 

From: M100  On Behalf Of Jeff Gonzales
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 4:10 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

 

Texas does it better.  :)

 

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 2:54 PM mailto:lloydel...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Although the phone companies support pulse dialing, not all internet modems do 
if you are doing voice over IP.

 

I have an old rotary dial telephone I acquired a while back from eBay.   It 
worked fine when I lived in Texas but when we moved to Illinois, I discovered 
the new Xfinity box we got would no longer support rotary (pulse) dialing.   If 
I recall, the Xfinity box I had in Texas did work just fine. 

 

Lloyd  

 

From: M100 mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com> > On Behalf Of Peter Vollan
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 1:40 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com> 
Subject: Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

 

Here in the USA, phone companies are required to continue to support pulse 
dialing.

 

On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 08:05, Cedric Amand mailto:ced...@cedric.net> > wrote:

Hey I'm not alone :)

 

I'm also a fan of telecom and I made the built in modem of my m102 (300 bauds 
as you said) work

 

What I can suggest if you would like to experiment a lot with vintage modems ;  
is getting a home PABX (a phone exchange), or a small business PABX (even an 
isdn pabx works) You can find those for anywhere between 20 and 100 
dollars/euros on ebay because nobody needs them anymore, like a 4 lines pabx.

 

This allows you to have your own PSTN network for your experiments (if you're 
into that kind of thing that is)

 

I made "calls" between my Model 102 and a USR56K modem with no issue. 

You also need a cable. That cable is so vintage that you actually have to 
pickup the phone to make it dial.

 

Beware that the M100 and M102 do not support DTMF dialing, only pulse, and 
nowadays it's probably impossible to make a call with pulse. You can however 
dial the number yourself (with the above cable) - or, again, use a PABX that 
supports both DTMF and PULSE.

>From my own experience, at least over here in europe, it's impossible to make 
>proper modem calls on land line like they worked back in the day, for gow 
>knows what reason the quality of the line makes it impossible to negociate 
>anything above 14,4k. I guess they filter more or the signal is so digital 
>that it doesn't behave in the proper way an analog modem expects.

 

 

 

Le 2022-10-06 20:27, Will Senn mailto:will.s...@gmail.com> > a écrit :

As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and enjoying the 
process of treading down memory lane. Last night I finished coding up my banner 
program using the M100 font. Now I just need a printer (or retroprinter 
emulator) to try it out on... in the meantime, I'm catching up on remote 
communications. If I understand correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud 
modem. Am I understanding this correctly?

 

If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it? I don't 
currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone? (never saw that 
coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone, hilarious, but there you have 
it). Are there BBSes still in operation?

 

Later,

 

Will

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Jeff Gonzales]

Texas does it better.  :)

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 2:54 PM  wrote:

> Although the phone companies support pulse dialing, not all internet
> modems do if you are doing voice over IP.
>
>
>
> I have an old rotary dial telephone I acquired a while back from eBay.
> It worked fine when I lived in Texas but when we moved to Illinois, I
> discovered the new Xfinity box we got would no longer support rotary
> (pulse) dialing.   If I recall, the Xfinity box I had in Texas did work
> just fine.
>
>
>
> Lloyd
>
>
>
> *From:* M100  *On Behalf Of *Peter
> Vollan
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2022 1:40 PM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world
>
>
>
> Here in the USA, phone companies are required to continue to support pulse
> dialing.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 08:05, Cedric Amand  wrote:
>
> Hey I'm not alone :)
>
>
>
> I'm also a fan of telecom and I made the built in modem of my m102 (300
> bauds as you said) work
>
>
>
> What I can suggest if you would like to experiment a lot with vintage
> modems ;  is getting a home PABX (a phone exchange), or a small business
> PABX (even an isdn pabx works) You can find those for anywhere between 20
> and 100 dollars/euros on ebay because nobody needs them anymore, like a 4
> lines pabx.
>
>
>
> This allows you to have your own PSTN network for your experiments (if
> you're into that kind of thing that is)
>
>
>
> I made "calls" between my Model 102 and a USR56K modem with no issue.
>
> You also need a cable. That cable is so vintage that you actually have to
> pickup the phone to make it dial.
>
>
>
> Beware that the M100 and M102 do not support DTMF dialing, only pulse, and
> nowadays it's probably impossible to make a call with pulse. You can
> however dial the number yourself (with the above cable) - or, again, use a
> PABX that supports both DTMF and PULSE.
>
> From my own experience, at least over here in europe, it's impossible to
> make proper modem calls on land line like they worked back in the day, for
> gow knows what reason the quality of the line makes it impossible to
> negociate anything above 14,4k. I guess they filter more or the signal is
> so digital that it doesn't behave in the proper way an analog modem expects.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 2022-10-06 20:27, Will Senn  a écrit :
>
> As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and
> enjoying the process of treading down memory lane. Last night I finished
> coding up my banner program using the M100 font. Now I just need a printer
> (or retroprinter emulator) to try it out on... in the meantime, I'm
> catching up on remote communications. If I understand correctly, the m100
> has a built in 300 baud modem. Am I understanding this correctly?
>
>
>
> If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it? I
> don't currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone? (never
> saw that coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone, hilarious, but there
> you have it). Are there BBSes still in operation?
>
>
>
> Later,
>
>
>
> Will
>
>

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[lloydelmer]

Although the phone companies support pulse dialing, not all internet modems do 
if you are doing voice over IP.

 

I have an old rotary dial telephone I acquired a while back from eBay.   It 
worked fine when I lived in Texas but when we moved to Illinois, I discovered 
the new Xfinity box we got would no longer support rotary (pulse) dialing.   If 
I recall, the Xfinity box I had in Texas did work just fine. 

 

Lloyd  

 

From: M100  On Behalf Of Peter Vollan
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 1:40 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

 

Here in the USA, phone companies are required to continue to support pulse 
dialing.

 

On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 08:05, Cedric Amand mailto:ced...@cedric.net> > wrote:

Hey I'm not alone :)

 

I'm also a fan of telecom and I made the built in modem of my m102 (300 bauds 
as you said) work

 

What I can suggest if you would like to experiment a lot with vintage modems ;  
is getting a home PABX (a phone exchange), or a small business PABX (even an 
isdn pabx works) You can find those for anywhere between 20 and 100 
dollars/euros on ebay because nobody needs them anymore, like a 4 lines pabx.

 

This allows you to have your own PSTN network for your experiments (if you're 
into that kind of thing that is)

 

I made "calls" between my Model 102 and a USR56K modem with no issue. 

You also need a cable. That cable is so vintage that you actually have to 
pickup the phone to make it dial.

 

Beware that the M100 and M102 do not support DTMF dialing, only pulse, and 
nowadays it's probably impossible to make a call with pulse. You can however 
dial the number yourself (with the above cable) - or, again, use a PABX that 
supports both DTMF and PULSE.

>From my own experience, at least over here in europe, it's impossible to make 
>proper modem calls on land line like they worked back in the day, for gow 
>knows what reason the quality of the line makes it impossible to negociate 
>anything above 14,4k. I guess they filter more or the signal is so digital 
>that it doesn't behave in the proper way an analog modem expects.

 

 

 

Le 2022-10-06 20:27, Will Senn mailto:will.s...@gmail.com> > a écrit :

As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and enjoying the 
process of treading down memory lane. Last night I finished coding up my banner 
program using the M100 font. Now I just need a printer (or retroprinter 
emulator) to try it out on... in the meantime, I'm catching up on remote 
communications. If I understand correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud 
modem. Am I understanding this correctly?

 

If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it? I don't 
currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone? (never saw that 
coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone, hilarious, but there you have 
it). Are there BBSes still in operation?

 

Later,

 

Will

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Peter Vollan]

Here in the USA, phone companies are required to continue to support pulse
dialing.

On Fri, 7 Oct 2022 at 08:05, Cedric Amand  wrote:

> Hey I'm not alone :)
>
> I'm also a fan of telecom and I made the built in modem of my m102 (300
> bauds as you said) work
>
> What I can suggest if you would like to experiment a lot with vintage
> modems ;  is getting a home PABX (a phone exchange), or a small business
> PABX (even an isdn pabx works) You can find those for anywhere between 20
> and 100 dollars/euros on ebay because nobody needs them anymore, like a 4
> lines pabx.
>
> This allows you to have your own PSTN network for your experiments (if
> you're into that kind of thing that is)
>
> I made "calls" between my Model 102 and a USR56K modem with no issue.
> You also need a cable. That cable is so vintage that you actually have to
> pickup the phone to make it dial.
>
> Beware that the M100 and M102 do not support DTMF dialing, only pulse, and
> nowadays it's probably impossible to make a call with pulse. You can
> however dial the number yourself (with the above cable) - or, again, use a
> PABX that supports both DTMF and PULSE.
> From my own experience, at least over here in europe, it's impossible to
> make proper modem calls on land line like they worked back in the day, for
> gow knows what reason the quality of the line makes it impossible to
> negociate anything above 14,4k. I guess they filter more or the signal is
> so digital that it doesn't behave in the proper way an analog modem expects.
>
>
>
> Le 2022-10-06 20:27, Will Senn  a écrit :
>
> As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and
> enjoying the process of treading down memory lane. Last night I finished
> coding up my banner program using the M100 font. Now I just need a printer
> (or retroprinter emulator) to try it out on... in the meantime, I'm
> catching up on remote communications. If I understand correctly, the m100
> has a built in 300 baud modem. Am I understanding this correctly?
>
> If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it? I
> don't currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone? (never
> saw that coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone, hilarious, but there
> you have it). Are there BBSes still in operation?
>
> Later,
>
> Will
>
>

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Cedric Amand]

Hey I'm not alone :) I'm also a fan of telecom and I made the built in modem of 
my m102 (300 bauds as you said) work What I can suggest if you would like to 
experiment a lot with vintage modems ; is getting a home PABX (a phone 
exchange), or a small business PABX (even an isdn pabx works) You can find 
those for anywhere between 20 and 100 dollars/euros on ebay because nobody 
needs them anymore, like a 4 lines pabx. This allows you to have your own PSTN 
network for your experiments (if you're into that kind of thing that is) I made 
"calls" between my Model 102 and a USR56K modem with no issue. You also need a 
cable. That cable is so vintage that you actually have to pickup the phone to 
make it dial. Beware that the M100 and M102 do not support DTMF dialing, only 
pulse, and nowadays it's probably impossible to make a call with pulse. You can 
however dial the number yourself (with the above cable) - or, again, use a PABX 
that supports both DTMF and PULSE. From my own experience, at least over here 
in europe, it's impossible to make proper modem calls on land line like they 
worked back in the day, for gow knows what reason the quality of the line makes 
it impossible to negociate anything above 14,4k. I guess they filter more or 
the signal is so digital that it doesn't behave in the proper way an analog 
modem expects. Le 2022-10-06 20:27, Will Senn  a écrit : > 
> > As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and enjoying 
the process of treading down memory lane. Last night I finished coding up my 
banner program using the M100 font. Now I just need a printer (or retroprinter 
emulator) to try it out on... in the meantime, I'm catching up on remote 
communications. If I understand correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud 
modem. Am I understanding this correctly? > > > > If so, in this oh so modern 
era, how does one go about exercising it? I don't currently have a land line, 
so does it work with an iphone? (never saw that coming... can I connect 300 
baud over iphone, hilarious, but there you have it). Are there BBSes still in 
operation? > > > > Later, > > > > Will > >

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Joshua O'Keefe]

> On Oct 7, 2022, at 7:41 AM, Will Senn  wrote:
> I unpacked the .deb file and after a bit of sorting out dependencies, got it 
> running on my mac:

For future reference, I keep a tarball of this (plus a distribution with bit of 
stuff to build a Docker image) in my bucket[1].  It's a touch easier to install 
for folks who don't use Debian-based packaging.

> Cool - kinda like a python dlplus... Is this the same mcomm you're referring 
> to? 

Python mComm is a fairly recent innovation.  I think many folks who use mComm 
are referring to the Android or Windows software of the same name.  I don't 
have Android or Windows so I can't speak to the feature set of those particular 
implementations but as far as I'm aware Python mComm doesn't have modem 
emulation.  A cursory examination of the code doesn't show anything that looks 
like it.

One of mComm's differentiating features is special support for the Sardine[2] 
dictionary image. I don't believe other TPDD emulators have Sardine disk image 
support.

> Is there a man page somewhere?

If there is, I haven't found it.

[1.] http://public.nachomountain.com/files/m100/

[2.] The spell checking software available as a stand alone option ROM or in 
Ultimate Rom II.  It does raw sector access of a specially-formatted TPDD disk 
containing the dictionary.

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Will Senn]

Interesting. I found Kurt McCullum's mcomm for android and windows and 
even a version for python for linux . I unpacked the .deb file and after 
a bit of sorting out dependencies, got it running on my mac:


python mcomm.py
mComm 1.20
--
Serial port=/dev/cu.usbserial-FD310
Base folder=/Users/wsenn/TPDD
--
CTRL-C to exit
Drive status
Creating file reference /Users/wsenn/TPDD/GOTO10.BA
Reading /Users/wsenn/TPDD/GOTO10.BA
Drive status
Creating file /Users/wsenn/TPDD/TEN.DO
.
Closing file /Users/wsenn/TPDD/TEN.DO

Cool - kinda like a python dlplus... Is this the same mcomm you're 
referring to? Is there a man page somewhere?


Thanks,

Will



On 10/7/22 9:07 AM, Gregory McGill wrote:

mcomm has a virtual modem ;)

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 4:54 PM Will Senn  wrote:

Awesome. Now, all I gotta do is figure out how to telnet from my
m100...

On 10/6/22 6:36 PM, Gregory McGill wrote:

https://thekeep.net i have modem and telnet


On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:45 AM Tommy Phillips
 wrote:

There are certainly BBSes running, but the majority are
accessible via
telnet over the internet.

bbsing.com 
telnetbbsguide.com 


On 10/6/2022 12:26 PM, Will Senn wrote:
> As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its
paces and
> enjoying the process of treading down memory lane. Last
night I
> finished coding up my banner program using the M100 font.
Now I just
> need a printer (or retroprinter emulator) to try it out
on... in the
> meantime, I'm catching up on remote communications. If I
understand
> correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud modem. Am I
understanding
> this correctly?
>
> If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about
exercising it?
> I don't currently have a land line, so does it work with an
iphone?
> (never saw that coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone,
> hilarious, but there you have it). Are there BBSes still in
operation?
>
> Later,
>
> Will


-- 
Tommy Phillips


to...@tommyphillips.info
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Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Gregory McGill]

mcomm has a virtual modem ;)

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 4:54 PM Will Senn  wrote:

> Awesome. Now, all I gotta do is figure out how to telnet from my m100...
>
> On 10/6/22 6:36 PM, Gregory McGill wrote:
>
> https://thekeep.net  i have modem and telnet
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:45 AM Tommy Phillips 
> wrote:
>
>> There are certainly BBSes running, but the majority are accessible via
>> telnet over the internet.
>>
>> bbsing.com
>> telnetbbsguide.com
>>
>>
>> On 10/6/2022 12:26 PM, Will Senn wrote:
>> > As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and
>> > enjoying the process of treading down memory lane. Last night I
>> > finished coding up my banner program using the M100 font. Now I just
>> > need a printer (or retroprinter emulator) to try it out on... in the
>> > meantime, I'm catching up on remote communications. If I understand
>> > correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud modem. Am I understanding
>> > this correctly?
>> >
>> > If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it?
>> > I don't currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone?
>> > (never saw that coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone,
>> > hilarious, but there you have it). Are there BBSes still in operation?
>> >
>> > Later,
>> >
>> > Will
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tommy Phillips
>>
>> to...@tommyphillips.info
>> 303-981-4310
>>
>>
>

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Mike Stein]

Not too terribly difficult; there are various hardware 'modems' (e.g.
Lantronix UDS-10) that can often be found used for around $30, or there are
a number of software apps that run on (through) another computer (e.g.
TCPSER).

Have fun researching!

m

On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 7:54 PM Will Senn  wrote:

> Awesome. Now, all I gotta do is figure out how to telnet from my m100...
>
> On 10/6/22 6:36 PM, Gregory McGill wrote:
>
> https://thekeep.net  i have modem and telnet
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:45 AM Tommy Phillips 
> wrote:
>
>> There are certainly BBSes running, but the majority are accessible via
>> telnet over the internet.
>>
>> bbsing.com
>> telnetbbsguide.com
>>
>>
>> On 10/6/2022 12:26 PM, Will Senn wrote:
>> > As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and
>> > enjoying the process of treading down memory lane. Last night I
>> > finished coding up my banner program using the M100 font. Now I just
>> > need a printer (or retroprinter emulator) to try it out on... in the
>> > meantime, I'm catching up on remote communications. If I understand
>> > correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud modem. Am I understanding
>> > this correctly?
>> >
>> > If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it?
>> > I don't currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone?
>> > (never saw that coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone,
>> > hilarious, but there you have it). Are there BBSes still in operation?
>> >
>> > Later,
>> >
>> > Will
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tommy Phillips
>>
>> to...@tommyphillips.info
>> 303-981-4310
>>
>>
>

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Joshua O'Keefe]

> On Oct 6, 2022, at 4:55 PM, Will Senn  wrote:
> 
> Awesome. Now, all I gotta do is figure out how to telnet from my m100...

I won't spoil too much for your journey of discovery, but let's just say I 
really like my WiModem 232.

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Will Senn]

Awesome. Now, all I gotta do is figure out how to telnet from my m100...

On 10/6/22 6:36 PM, Gregory McGill wrote:

https://thekeep.net i have modem and telnet


On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:45 AM Tommy Phillips 
 wrote:


There are certainly BBSes running, but the majority are accessible
via
telnet over the internet.

bbsing.com 
telnetbbsguide.com 


On 10/6/2022 12:26 PM, Will Senn wrote:
> As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and
> enjoying the process of treading down memory lane. Last night I
> finished coding up my banner program using the M100 font. Now I
just
> need a printer (or retroprinter emulator) to try it out on... in
the
> meantime, I'm catching up on remote communications. If I understand
> correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud modem. Am I
understanding
> this correctly?
>
> If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about
exercising it?
> I don't currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone?
> (never saw that coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone,
> hilarious, but there you have it). Are there BBSes still in
operation?
>
> Later,
>
> Will


-- 
Tommy Phillips


to...@tommyphillips.info
303-981-4310

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Gregory McGill]

https://thekeep.net  i have modem and telnet


On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:45 AM Tommy Phillips 
wrote:

> There are certainly BBSes running, but the majority are accessible via
> telnet over the internet.
>
> bbsing.com
> telnetbbsguide.com
>
>
> On 10/6/2022 12:26 PM, Will Senn wrote:
> > As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and
> > enjoying the process of treading down memory lane. Last night I
> > finished coding up my banner program using the M100 font. Now I just
> > need a printer (or retroprinter emulator) to try it out on... in the
> > meantime, I'm catching up on remote communications. If I understand
> > correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud modem. Am I understanding
> > this correctly?
> >
> > If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it?
> > I don't currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone?
> > (never saw that coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone,
> > hilarious, but there you have it). Are there BBSes still in operation?
> >
> > Later,
> >
> > Will
>
>
> --
> Tommy Phillips
>
> to...@tommyphillips.info
> 303-981-4310
>
>

Re: [M100] Modems and the modern world

[Tommy Phillips]

There are certainly BBSes running, but the majority are accessible via 
telnet over the internet.


bbsing.com
telnetbbsguide.com


On 10/6/2022 12:26 PM, Will Senn wrote:
As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and 
enjoying the process of treading down memory lane. Last night I 
finished coding up my banner program using the M100 font. Now I just 
need a printer (or retroprinter emulator) to try it out on... in the 
meantime, I'm catching up on remote communications. If I understand 
correctly, the m100 has a built in 300 baud modem. Am I understanding 
this correctly?


If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it? 
I don't currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone? 
(never saw that coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone, 
hilarious, but there you have it). Are there BBSes still in operation?


Later,

Will



--
Tommy Phillips

to...@tommyphillips.info
303-981-4310

[M100] Modems and the modern world

[Will Senn]

As you may have noticed, I'm putting my m100 through its paces and enjoying
the process of treading down memory lane. Last night I finished coding up
my banner program using the M100 font. Now I just need a printer (or
retroprinter emulator) to try it out on... in the meantime, I'm catching up
on remote communications. If I understand correctly, the m100 has a built
in 300 baud modem. Am I understanding this correctly?

If so, in this oh so modern era, how does one go about exercising it? I
don't currently have a land line, so does it work with an iphone? (never
saw that coming... can I connect 300 baud over iphone, hilarious, but there
you have it). Are there BBSes still in operation?

Later,

Will