Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-26 Thread John R. Hogerhuis 
On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 11:34 AM Brian K. White 
wrote:

> On 5/26/23 14:26, Brian K. White wrote:
> > The dlplus user reports that this worked for them. Thanks much!
> > https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7
>
> Forgot, sounds like they also tried Steve's 100-based M10 rom which also
> worked? That is handy to know that's even possible if true.
>
>
It would mean either the M10 has the same serial I/O ports as the Model
100/102 or TEENY only uses BASIC ROM calls to access the UART.

-- John.

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-26 Thread Brian K. White 

On 5/26/23 14:26, Brian K. White wrote:

The dlplus user reports that this worked for them. Thanks much!
https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7


Forgot, sounds like they also tried Steve's 100-based M10 rom which also 
worked? That is handy to know that's even possible if true.



On 5/20/23 10:42, Georg Käter wrote:
I´ve patched M10US ROM with German Kbd map. Attached ROM file works 
fine with TEENY (see 
https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/raw/master/clients/teeny/TEENY.M10 
<https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/raw/master/clients/teeny/TEENY.M10>)


and M10 Multiplan ROM also.

2 small issues:

     Date format changes to MM/DD/YY

     CAPSLOCK/SHIFTLOCK behaviour now as M10 US version, described in 
M10 Operators Manual (page 1-7)


Regards

Georg

== Ihre Nachricht ==

*von*      : Ben Wiley Sittler 
*gesendet* : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 18:09
*an*       : m...@bitchin100.com
*Betreff*  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

__ Originalnachricht ___

    Fwiw my QZERTY m10 has the same ROM bits as the m10 one from
    VirtualT except it is missing a Y2K patch

    On Fri, May 19, 2023, 09:06 Ben Wiley Sittler mailto:bsittler...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Meant to write QZERTY sorry

    On Fri, May 19, 2023, 08:52 Ben Wiley Sittler
    mailto:bsittler...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    My apologies, I believe they may be solder pads not easily
    reconfigurable jumpers. And the keyboard layout needs to
    match of course. But the ROM contents are supposedly
    identical between UK QWERTY, QWERTZ, and AZERTY versions.
    The North American QWERTY version uses a different ROM, 
though


    On Fri, May 19, 2023, 02:09 Georg Käter
    mailto:georg.kae...@gk-engineering-services.de>> wrote:

    Based on the work from Stephen Adolph (see

http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Olivetti_M10_ROM_patch 
<http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Olivetti_M10_ROM_patch>) I 
created


    the attached ROM for my German M10 based on T102 INT. I
    run a REX# and it allows me to use all OPTION ROM for
    M100/T102.


    Just for my interest: Which jumper are meant to select
    different keyboard layout of the EU version

    == Ihre Nachricht
    ==

    *von*      : Stephen Adolph mailto:twospru...@gmail.com>>
    *gesendet* : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 02:15
    *an*       : "m...@bitchin100.com
    <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>" mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>>
    *Betreff*  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for
    German Olivetti M10?

    __ Originalnachricht
    ___

    Good news.
    Well a port of teeny should be possible.

    On Thursday, May 18, 2023, Brian K. White
    mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com>>
    wrote:

    It probably is the same EU rom as others, but
    that is still different from the US rom, and
    code for the US rom doesn't run on the EU rom
    without porting.

    Maybe Germen specifically doesn't break anything
    if there were at least a version that ran on the
    EU rom.

    We do have rom images of both the US and EU main
    roms,
    http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K
    <http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K>

    So it should be possible to build a translation
    table, assuming we had one from 100 to US m10,
    and I believe we have that, somewhere...

    Aha, there is one that crosses all 3 100 to
    m10-us to m10-eu!

https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF <https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF>



    --     bkw

    On 5/18/23 16:50, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:

    Is the German ROM different? I had thought
    the various European versions used the same
    ROM just with different jumper settings

    On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R.
    Hogerhuis mailto:jho...@pobox.com>
    <mai

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-26 Thread Brian K. White 

The dlplus user reports that this worked for them. Thanks much!
https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7


On 5/20/23 10:42, Georg Käter wrote:
I´ve patched M10US ROM with German Kbd map. Attached ROM file works fine 
with TEENY (see 
https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/raw/master/clients/teeny/TEENY.M10 
<https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/raw/master/clients/teeny/TEENY.M10>)


and M10 Multiplan ROM also.

2 small issues:

     Date format changes to MM/DD/YY

     CAPSLOCK/SHIFTLOCK behaviour now as M10 US version, described in 
M10 Operators Manual (page 1-7)


Regards

Georg

== Ihre Nachricht ==

*von*      : Ben Wiley Sittler 
*gesendet* : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 18:09
*an*       : m...@bitchin100.com
*Betreff*  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

__ Originalnachricht ___

Fwiw my QZERTY m10 has the same ROM bits as the m10 one from
VirtualT except it is missing a Y2K patch

On Fri, May 19, 2023, 09:06 Ben Wiley Sittler mailto:bsittler...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Meant to write QZERTY sorry

On Fri, May 19, 2023, 08:52 Ben Wiley Sittler
mailto:bsittler...@gmail.com>> wrote:

My apologies, I believe they may be solder pads not easily
reconfigurable jumpers. And the keyboard layout needs to
match of course. But the ROM contents are supposedly
identical between UK QWERTY, QWERTZ, and AZERTY versions.
The North American QWERTY version uses a different ROM, though

On Fri, May 19, 2023, 02:09 Georg Käter
mailto:georg.kae...@gk-engineering-services.de>> wrote:

Based on the work from Stephen Adolph (see
http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Olivetti_M10_ROM_patch 
<http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Olivetti_M10_ROM_patch>) I created

the attached ROM for my German M10 based on T102 INT. I
run a REX# and it allows me to use all OPTION ROM for
M100/T102.


Just for my interest: Which jumper are meant to select
different keyboard layout of the EU version

== Ihre Nachricht
==

*von*      : Stephen Adolph mailto:twospru...@gmail.com>>
*gesendet* : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 02:15
*an*       : "m...@bitchin100.com
<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>" mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>>
    *Betreff*  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for
German Olivetti M10?

__ Originalnachricht
___

Good news.
Well a port of teeny should be possible.

On Thursday, May 18, 2023, Brian K. White
mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

It probably is the same EU rom as others, but
that is still different from the US rom, and
code for the US rom doesn't run on the EU rom
without porting.

Maybe Germen specifically doesn't break anything
if there were at least a version that ran on the
EU rom.

We do have rom images of both the US and EU main
roms,
http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K
<http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K>

So it should be possible to build a translation
table, assuming we had one from 100 to US m10,
and I believe we have that, somewhere...

Aha, there is one that crosses all 3 100 to
m10-us to m10-eu!

https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF
 
<https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF>


-- 
bkw


On 5/18/23 16:50, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:

Is the German ROM different? I had thought
the various European versions used the same
ROM just with different jumper settings

On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R.
Hogerhuis mailto:jho...@pobox.com>
<mailto:jho...@pobox.com
<mailto:jho...@pobox.com>>> wrote:



     On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-20 Thread Georg Käter 
I´ve patched M10US ROM with German Kbd map. Attached ROM file works fine with 
TEENY (see https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/raw/master/clients/teeny/TEENY.M10)
and M10 Multiplan ROM also.
2 small issues:
    Date format changes to MM/DD/YY
    CAPSLOCK/SHIFTLOCK behaviour now as M10 US version, described in M10 
Operators Manual (page 1-7)
 
Regards
Georg
== Ihre Nachricht ==

von      : Ben Wiley Sittler 
gesendet : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 18:09
an       : m...@bitchin100.com
Betreff  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

__ Originalnachricht ___


> Fwiw my QZERTY m10 has the same ROM bits as the m10 one from VirtualT except 
> it is missing a Y2K patch 

> On Fri, May 19, 2023, 09:06 Ben Wiley Sittler  wrote:

>> Meant to write QZERTY sorry

>> On Fri, May 19, 2023, 08:52 Ben Wiley Sittler  wrote:

>>> My apologies, I believe they may be solder pads not easily reconfigurable 
>>> jumpers. And the keyboard layout needs to match of course. But the ROM 
>>> contents are supposedly identical between UK QWERTY, QWERTZ, and AZERTY 
>>> versions. The North American QWERTY version uses a different ROM, though

>>> On Fri, May 19, 2023, 02:09 Georg Käter 
>>>  wrote:

>>>> Based on the work from Stephen Adolph (see 
>>>> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Olivetti_M10_ROM_patch) I 
>>>> created
>>>> the attached ROM for my German M10 based on T102 INT. I run a REX# and it 
>>>> allows me to use all OPTION ROM for M100/T102.

>>>> Just for my interest: Which jumper are meant to select different keyboard 
>>>> layout of the EU version
>>>>  
>>>> == Ihre Nachricht ==============

>>>> von      : Stephen Adolph 
>>>> gesendet : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 02:15
>>>> an       : "m...@bitchin100.com" 
>>>> Betreff  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

>>>> __ Originalnachricht ___
>>>>> Good news.
>>>>> Well a port of teeny should be possible.

>>>>> On Thursday, May 18, 2023, Brian K. White  wrote:

>>>>>> It probably is the same EU rom as others, but that is still different 
>>>>>> from the US rom, and code for the US rom doesn't run on the EU rom 
>>>>>> without porting.

>>>>>> Maybe Germen specifically doesn't break anything if there were at least 
>>>>>> a version that ran on the EU rom.

>>>>>> We do have rom images of both the US and EU main roms,
>>>>>> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K

>>>>>> So it should be possible to build a translation table, assuming we had 
>>>>>> one from 100 to US m10, and I believe we have that, somewhere...

>>>>>> Aha, there is one that crosses all 3 100 to m10-us to m10-eu!
>>>>>> https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF


>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> bkw

>>>>>> On 5/18/23 16:50, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:

>>>>>>> Is the German ROM different? I had thought the various European 
>>>>>>> versions used the same ROM just with different jumper settings

>>>>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R. Hogerhuis >>>>>> <mailto:jho...@pobox.com>> wrote:



>>>>>>>     On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian K. White >>>>>>     <mailto:bw.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>>>>         Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that
>>>>>>>         would run
>>>>>>>         on a German Olivetti M10?

>>>>>>>         A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
>>>>>>>         https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7
>>>>>>>         <https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7>

>>>>>>>         I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.


>>>>>>>     I don't know either. Are you asking about German specifically? No
>>>>>>>     how idea how much difference between M10 ROMs.

>>>>>>>     If there's a M10 cross reference I expect TEENY would not be hard to
>>>>>>>     port.

>>>>>>>     Ultimately users may be better off moving to a T102 based ported
>>>>>>>     ROM. Maybe with an M10 font to maintain the feel of the machine.

>>>>>>>     -- John.

>>>> __ Ende Originalnachricht __

__ Ende Originalnachricht __

M10_US.Y2K_KBGER.bin
Description: Binary data

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-19 Thread Ben Wiley Sittler 
Fwiw my QZERTY m10 has the same ROM bits as the m10 one from VirtualT
except it is missing a Y2K patch

On Fri, May 19, 2023, 09:06 Ben Wiley Sittler  wrote:

> Meant to write QZERTY sorry
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2023, 08:52 Ben Wiley Sittler  wrote:
>
>> My apologies, I believe they may be solder pads not easily reconfigurable
>> jumpers. And the keyboard layout needs to match of course. But the ROM
>> contents are supposedly identical between UK QWERTY, QWERTZ, and AZERTY
>> versions. The North American QWERTY version uses a different ROM, though
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2023, 02:09 Georg Käter <
>> georg.kae...@gk-engineering-services.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Based on the work from Stephen Adolph (see
>>> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Olivetti_M10_ROM_patch) I
>>> created
>>>
>>> the attached ROM for my German M10 based on T102 INT. I run a REX# and
>>> it allows me to use all OPTION ROM for M100/T102.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just for my interest: Which jumper are meant to select different
>>> keyboard layout of the EU version
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> == Ihre Nachricht ==================
>>>
>>> *von*  : Stephen Adolph 
>>> *gesendet* : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 02:15
>>> *an*   : "m...@bitchin100.com" 
>>> *Betreff*  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?
>>>
>>> __ Originalnachricht ___
>>>
>>> Good news.
>>> Well a port of teeny should be possible.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 18, 2023, Brian K. White  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It probably is the same EU rom as others, but that is still different
>>>> from the US rom, and code for the US rom doesn't run on the EU rom without
>>>> porting.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Germen specifically doesn't break anything if there were at least
>>>> a version that ran on the EU rom.
>>>>
>>>> We do have rom images of both the US and EU main roms,
>>>> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K
>>>>
>>>> So it should be possible to build a translation table, assuming we had
>>>> one from 100 to US m10, and I believe we have that, somewhere...
>>>>
>>>> Aha, there is one that crosses all 3 100 to m10-us to m10-eu!
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> bkw
>>>>
>>>> On 5/18/23 16:50, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is the German ROM different? I had thought the various European
>>>>> versions used the same ROM just with different jumper settings
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R. Hogerhuis >>>> <mailto:jho...@pobox.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian K. White <
>>>>> bw.al...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:bw.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that
>>>>> would run
>>>>> on a German Olivetti M10?
>>>>>
>>>>> A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
>>>>> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7
>>>>> <https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know either. Are you asking about German specifically? No
>>>>> how idea how much difference between M10 ROMs.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there's a M10 cross reference I expect TEENY would not be hard
>>>>> to
>>>>> port.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ultimately users may be better off moving to a T102 based ported
>>>>> ROM. Maybe with an M10 font to maintain the feel of the machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- John.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> bkw
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> __ Ende Originalnachricht __
>>>
>>

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-19 Thread Ben Wiley Sittler 
Meant to write QZERTY sorry

On Fri, May 19, 2023, 08:52 Ben Wiley Sittler  wrote:

> My apologies, I believe they may be solder pads not easily reconfigurable
> jumpers. And the keyboard layout needs to match of course. But the ROM
> contents are supposedly identical between UK QWERTY, QWERTZ, and AZERTY
> versions. The North American QWERTY version uses a different ROM, though
>
> On Fri, May 19, 2023, 02:09 Georg Käter <
> georg.kae...@gk-engineering-services.de> wrote:
>
>> Based on the work from Stephen Adolph (see
>> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Olivetti_M10_ROM_patch) I
>> created
>>
>> the attached ROM for my German M10 based on T102 INT. I run a REX# and it
>> allows me to use all OPTION ROM for M100/T102.
>>
>>
>> Just for my interest: Which jumper are meant to select different keyboard
>> layout of the EU version
>>
>>
>>
>> == Ihre Nachricht ==
>>
>> *von*      : Stephen Adolph 
>> *gesendet* : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 02:15
>> *an*   : "m...@bitchin100.com" 
>> *Betreff*  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?
>>
>> __ Originalnachricht ___
>>
>> Good news.
>> Well a port of teeny should be possible.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2023, Brian K. White  wrote:
>>
>>> It probably is the same EU rom as others, but that is still different
>>> from the US rom, and code for the US rom doesn't run on the EU rom without
>>> porting.
>>>
>>> Maybe Germen specifically doesn't break anything if there were at least
>>> a version that ran on the EU rom.
>>>
>>> We do have rom images of both the US and EU main roms,
>>> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K
>>>
>>> So it should be possible to build a translation table, assuming we had
>>> one from 100 to US m10, and I believe we have that, somewhere...
>>>
>>> Aha, there is one that crosses all 3 100 to m10-us to m10-eu!
>>>
>>> https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> bkw
>>>
>>> On 5/18/23 16:50, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is the German ROM different? I had thought the various European
>>>> versions used the same ROM just with different jumper settings
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R. Hogerhuis >>> <mailto:jho...@pobox.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian K. White >>> <mailto:bw.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that
>>>> would run
>>>> on a German Olivetti M10?
>>>>
>>>> A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
>>>> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7
>>>> <https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7>
>>>>
>>>> I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know either. Are you asking about German specifically? No
>>>> how idea how much difference between M10 ROMs.
>>>>
>>>> If there's a M10 cross reference I expect TEENY would not be hard to
>>>> port.
>>>>
>>>> Ultimately users may be better off moving to a T102 based ported
>>>> ROM. Maybe with an M10 font to maintain the feel of the machine.
>>>>
>>>> -- John.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> bkw
>>>
>>>
>>
>> __ Ende Originalnachricht __
>>
>

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-19 Thread Ben Wiley Sittler 
My apologies, I believe they may be solder pads not easily reconfigurable
jumpers. And the keyboard layout needs to match of course. But the ROM
contents are supposedly identical between UK QWERTY, QWERTZ, and AZERTY
versions. The North American QWERTY version uses a different ROM, though

On Fri, May 19, 2023, 02:09 Georg Käter <
georg.kae...@gk-engineering-services.de> wrote:

> Based on the work from Stephen Adolph (see
> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Olivetti_M10_ROM_patch) I
> created
>
> the attached ROM for my German M10 based on T102 INT. I run a REX# and it
> allows me to use all OPTION ROM for M100/T102.
>
>
> Just for my interest: Which jumper are meant to select different keyboard
> layout of the EU version
>
>
>
> == Ihre Nachricht ==
>
> *von*  : Stephen Adolph 
> *gesendet* : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 02:15
> *an*   : "m...@bitchin100.com" 
> *Betreff*  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?
>
> __ Originalnachricht ___
>
> Good news.
> Well a port of teeny should be possible.
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2023, Brian K. White  wrote:
>
>> It probably is the same EU rom as others, but that is still different
>> from the US rom, and code for the US rom doesn't run on the EU rom without
>> porting.
>>
>> Maybe Germen specifically doesn't break anything if there were at least a
>> version that ran on the EU rom.
>>
>> We do have rom images of both the US and EU main roms,
>> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K
>>
>> So it should be possible to build a translation table, assuming we had
>> one from 100 to US m10, and I believe we have that, somewhere...
>>
>> Aha, there is one that crosses all 3 100 to m10-us to m10-eu!
>>
>> https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF
>>
>>
>> --
>> bkw
>>
>> On 5/18/23 16:50, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:
>>
>>> Is the German ROM different? I had thought the various European versions
>>> used the same ROM just with different jumper settings
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R. Hogerhuis >> jho...@pobox.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian K. White >> <mailto:bw.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that
>>> would run
>>> on a German Olivetti M10?
>>>
>>> A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
>>> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7
>>> <https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7>
>>>
>>> I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know either. Are you asking about German specifically? No
>>> how idea how much difference between M10 ROMs.
>>>
>>> If there's a M10 cross reference I expect TEENY would not be hard to
>>> port.
>>>
>>> Ultimately users may be better off moving to a T102 based ported
>>> ROM. Maybe with an M10 font to maintain the feel of the machine.
>>>
>>> -- John.
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> bkw
>>
>>
>
> __ Ende Originalnachricht __
>

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-19 Thread Georg Käter 
Based on the work from Stephen Adolph (see 
http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=Olivetti_M10_ROM_patch) I created
the attached ROM for my German M10 based on T102 INT. I run a REX# and it 
allows me to use all OPTION ROM for M100/T102.

Just for my interest: Which jumper are meant to select different keyboard 
layout of the EU version
 
== Ihre Nachricht ==

von      : Stephen Adolph 
gesendet : Freitag, 19. Mai 2023, 02:15
an       : "m...@bitchin100.com" 
Betreff  : [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

__ Originalnachricht ___


> Good news.
> Well a port of teeny should be possible.

> On Thursday, May 18, 2023, Brian K. White  wrote:

>> It probably is the same EU rom as others, but that is still different from 
>> the US rom, and code for the US rom doesn't run on the EU rom without 
>> porting.

>> Maybe Germen specifically doesn't break anything if there were at least a 
>> version that ran on the EU rom.

>> We do have rom images of both the US and EU main roms,
>> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K

>> So it should be possible to build a translation table, assuming we had one 
>> from 100 to US m10, and I believe we have that, somewhere...

>> Aha, there is one that crosses all 3 100 to m10-us to m10-eu!
>> https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF


>> -- 
>> bkw

>> On 5/18/23 16:50, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:

>>> Is the German ROM different? I had thought the various European versions 
>>> used the same ROM just with different jumper settings

>>> On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R. Hogerhuis >> <mailto:jho...@pobox.com>> wrote:



>>>     On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian K. White >>     <mailto:bw.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>         Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that
>>>         would run
>>>         on a German Olivetti M10?

>>>         A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
>>>         https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7
>>>         <https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7>

>>>         I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.


>>>     I don't know either. Are you asking about German specifically? No
>>>     how idea how much difference between M10 ROMs.

>>>     If there's a M10 cross reference I expect TEENY would not be hard to
>>>     port.

>>>     Ultimately users may be better off moving to a T102 based ported
>>>     ROM. Maybe with an M10 font to maintain the feel of the machine.

>>>     -- John.

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Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-18 Thread Stephen Adolph 
Good news.
Well a port of teeny should be possible.

On Thursday, May 18, 2023, Brian K. White  wrote:

> It probably is the same EU rom as others, but that is still different from
> the US rom, and code for the US rom doesn't run on the EU rom without
> porting.
>
> Maybe Germen specifically doesn't break anything if there were at least a
> version that ran on the EU rom.
>
> We do have rom images of both the US and EU main roms,
> http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K
>
> So it should be possible to build a translation table, assuming we had one
> from 100 to US m10, and I believe we have that, somewhere...
>
> Aha, there is one that crosses all 3 100 to m10-us to m10-eu!
> https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/
> M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF
>
>
> --
> bkw
>
> On 5/18/23 16:50, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:
>
>> Is the German ROM different? I had thought the various European versions
>> used the same ROM just with different jumper settings
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R. Hogerhuis > jho...@pobox.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian K. White > > wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that
>> would run
>> on a German Olivetti M10?
>>
>> A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
>> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7
>> 
>>
>> I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.
>>
>>
>> I don't know either. Are you asking about German specifically? No
>> how idea how much difference between M10 ROMs.
>>
>> If there's a M10 cross reference I expect TEENY would not be hard to
>> port.
>>
>> Ultimately users may be better off moving to a T102 based ported
>> ROM. Maybe with an M10 font to maintain the feel of the machine.
>>
>> -- John.
>>
>>
> --
> bkw
>
>

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-18 Thread Brian K. White 
It probably is the same EU rom as others, but that is still different 
from the US rom, and code for the US rom doesn't run on the EU rom 
without porting.


Maybe Germen specifically doesn't break anything if there were at least 
a version that ran on the EU rom.


We do have rom images of both the US and EU main roms,
http://tandy.wiki/Model_T_Y2K

So it should be possible to build a translation table, assuming we had 
one from 100 to US m10, and I believe we have that, somewhere...


Aha, there is one that crosses all 3 100 to m10-us to m10-eu!
https://github.com/LivingM100SIG/Living_M100SIG/blob/main/M100SIG/Lib-12-NEC-OLIVETTI/M10ROM.DIF


--
bkw

On 5/18/23 16:50, Ben Wiley Sittler wrote:
Is the German ROM different? I had thought the various European versions 
used the same ROM just with different jumper settings


On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R. Hogerhuis > wrote:




On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian K. White mailto:bw.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that
would run
on a German Olivetti M10?

A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7


I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.


I don't know either. Are you asking about German specifically? No
how idea how much difference between M10 ROMs.

If there's a M10 cross reference I expect TEENY would not be hard to
port.

Ultimately users may be better off moving to a T102 based ported
ROM. Maybe with an M10 font to maintain the feel of the machine.

-- John.



--
bkw

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-18 Thread Ben Wiley Sittler 
Is the German ROM different? I had thought the various European versions
used the same ROM just with different jumper settings

On Thu, May 18, 2023, 13:48 John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian K. White 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that would run
>> on a German Olivetti M10?
>>
>> A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
>> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7
>>
>> I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.
>>
>
> I don't know either. Are you asking about German specifically? No how idea
> how much difference between M10 ROMs.
>
> If there's a M10 cross reference I expect TEENY would not be hard to port.
>
> Ultimately users may be better off moving to a T102 based ported ROM.
> Maybe with an M10 font to maintain the feel of the machine.
>
> -- John.
>

Re: [M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-18 Thread John R. Hogerhuis 
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 11:53 AM Brian K. White  wrote:

> Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that would run
> on a German Olivetti M10?
>
> A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
> https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7
>
> I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.
>

I don't know either. Are you asking about German specifically? No how idea
how much difference between M10 ROMs.

If there's a M10 cross reference I expect TEENY would not be hard to port.

Ultimately users may be better off moving to a T102 based ported ROM. Maybe
with an M10 font to maintain the feel of the machine.

-- John.

[M100] teeny (or any tpdd client) for German Olivetti M10?

2023-05-18 Thread Brian K. White 
Has anyone ever heard of any teeny or ts-dos or anything that would run 
on a German Olivetti M10?


A dlplus user is out of luck I think.
https://github.com/bkw777/dlplus/issues/7

I have never seen anything, not just teeny but anything.
--
bkw