Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke
I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the 
only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 
presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are no 
headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I can bring 
up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, headings etc 
there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these just gives me a 
beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and want to go back I do not 
know how to do this, so quick on a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I 
am back.  Please help!  Thanks.


Eleanor 


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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Josh Gregory
Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up  arrows 
together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the up-and-down arrows to 
navigate through the selected elements. To go.back aPage, press command and the 
left bracket key together, to go forward, command and the right bracket 
together.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an effecient 
 manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that navagating by 
 single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the only way I am able 
 to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 presses of it will take 
 me to the 10th link, that is if there are no headings in between, in which 
 case it will take me even longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and 
 this tells me how many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once 
 or twice on any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to 
 another web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick 
 on a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor 
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Re: Radio Volume and VO Volume

2014-03-19 Thread Travis Siegel
One way to control sound is to pipe the audio through audio hijack.  I  
regularly use audio hijack from Rogue Amoeba to provide me mute  
capabilities on apps that otherwise don't have them.  For instance,  
although the mlb.com does have mute capabilities, I much prefer to use  
the one provided by audio hijack, because it means I don't have to go  
hunting for the mute button again after it gets pressed, since vo  
cursor doesn't always stay in one place on that page.  Simply hijack  
the audio, but don't begin recording, and all of the functions of  
hijack audio are at your fingertips, the most often used of course  
which is the mute button.  I use it a lot when watching flash content  
online, since vo can't talk to flash itself, it's real hard to mute  
audio for something, especially on those pages that insist you really  
want to hear what they have to say regardless of what you might think.
Unfortunately, this method can't contro volume, but I thought it might  
be helpful anyhow.


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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke
Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate this 
way with the arrow keys?
- Original Message - 
From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up  arrows 
together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the up-and-down arrows 
to navigate through the selected elements. To go.back aPage, press command 
and the left bracket key together, to go forward, command and the right 
bracket together.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke 
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the 
only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 
presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are no 
headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I can 
bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, 
headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these 
just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and want 
to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on a Windows machine 
with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.


Eleanor
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poor results tap tap see

2014-03-19 Thread William Lomas
hi all i note that with tap tap see when one pays for the credits, and a tin is 
canned half the time it is not telling us what is in the said tin for example 
so why pay for credits, when half to hem are wasting away it seems, to 
determine one or two objects?
i am getting the focus beep for the image on my 4s but find it off putting that 
chargeable credits are being used when to me, if you a re charging for the 
service, shouldn't a first time approach be guaranteed?
sighted people know what an object is first time usually without having to keep 
re-examining it
just my thoughts
william


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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Josh Gregory
Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, you can 
just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter options

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate this 
 way with the arrow keys?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up  arrows 
 together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the up-and-down arrows to 
 navigate through the selected elements. To go.back aPage, press command and 
 the left bracket key together, to go forward, command and the right bracket 
 together.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the 
 only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 
 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are no 
 headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I can 
 bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, headings 
 etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these just gives 
 me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and want to go back I 
 do not know how to do this, so quick on a Windows machine with a 2 key 
 press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: poor results tap tap see

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke

Try another app instead William.
- Original Message - 
From: William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:19 PM
Subject: poor results tap tap see


hi all i note that with tap tap see when one pays for the credits, and a 
tin is canned half the time it is not telling us what is in the said tin 
for example so why pay for credits, when half to hem are wasting away it 
seems, to determine one or two objects?
i am getting the focus beep for the image on my 4s but find it off putting 
that chargeable credits are being used when to me, if you a re charging 
for the service, shouldn't a first time approach be guaranteed?
sighted people know what an object is first time usually without having to 
keep re-examining it

just my thoughts
william


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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke
Yes but what I want is to cut time and instead of arrowing down through all 
the links say, I want to ump to link 10 is there a way of doing that?
- Original Message - 
From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, 
you can just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter 
options


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke 
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate 
this way with the arrow keys?

- Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up 
arrows together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the 
up-and-down arrows to navigate through the selected elements. To go.back 
aPage, press command and the left bracket key together, to go forward, 
command and the right bracket together.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke 
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that 
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow 
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are 
no headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I 
can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, 
headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these 
just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and 
want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on a Windows 
machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.


Eleanor
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
 First when you locate the link you want in to the rotor  first press enter 
then press vo space bar to open the link.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Yes but what I want is to cut time and instead of arrowing down through all 
 the links say, I want to ump to link 10 is there a way of doing that?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, you 
 can just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter options
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate 
 this way with the arrow keys?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up arrows 
 together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the up-and-down arrows 
 to navigate through the selected elements. To go.back aPage, press command 
 and the left bracket key together, to go forward, command and the right 
 bracket together.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke 
 eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the 
 only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 
 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are no 
 headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I can 
 bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, 
 headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these 
 just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and want 
 to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on a Windows machine 
 with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Travis Siegel
Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you  
activate groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a  
single group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less  
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything  
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't  
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to  
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this  
isn't even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to  
move along until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where  
I need to go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then  
all I need to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander  
turned on, andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each  
right arrow press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and  
convinient.

hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:

I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an  
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked  
that navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are  
that the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right  
arrow so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if  
there are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even  
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me  
how many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or  
twice on any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to  
another web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this,  
so quick on a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.   
Please help!  Thanks.


Eleanor
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Re: poor results tap tap see

2014-03-19 Thread Josh Gregory
It might depend on how you are placing the object.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:19 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 hi all i note that with tap tap see when one pays for the credits, and a tin 
 is canned half the time it is not telling us what is in the said tin for 
 example so why pay for credits, when half to hem are wasting away it seems, 
 to determine one or two objects?
 i am getting the focus beep for the image on my 4s but find it off putting 
 that chargeable credits are being used when to me, if you a re charging for 
 the service, shouldn't a first time approach be guaranteed?
 sighted people know what an object is first time usually without having to 
 keep re-examining it
 just my thoughts
 william
 
 
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Josh Gregory
You can use the voiceover search function and try to find the text that the 
link contains…

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yes but what I want is to cut time and instead of arrowing down through all 
 the links say, I want to ump to link 10 is there a way of doing that?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, you 
 can just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter options
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate 
 this way with the arrow keys?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up arrows 
 together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the up-and-down arrows 
 to navigate through the selected elements. To go.back aPage, press command 
 and the left bracket key together, to go forward, command and the right 
 bracket together.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke 
 eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the 
 only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 
 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are no 
 headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I can 
 bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, 
 headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these 
 just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and want 
 to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on a Windows machine 
 with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Kristeen Hughes
Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying Chrome.

Kristeen

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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
What problems are you having with safari on the mac?On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 
AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
No I don’tlike crome. I have had better luck with safari.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
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 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Adding page to bookmarks with Google Chrome

2014-03-19 Thread Juaanita Marttin
How do you add a page to bookmarks with G C ?

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Re: poor results tap tap see

2014-03-19 Thread Sandratomkins
William,
Don't try CamFind. It is free! It is excellent! You can take as many shots as 
you like! And it is very good at recognising products even when not absolutely 
square into the picture.

Also, try red laser for barcode recognition.

Good luck, Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

 On 19 Mar 2014, at 12:19, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 hi all i note that with tap tap see when one pays for the credits, and a tin 
 is canned half the time it is not telling us what is in the said tin for 
 example so why pay for credits, when half to hem are wasting away it seems, 
 to determine one or two objects?
 i am getting the focus beep for the image on my 4s but find it off putting 
 that chargeable credits are being used when to me, if you a re charging for 
 the service, shouldn't a first time approach be guaranteed?
 sighted people know what an object is first time usually without having to 
 keep re-examining it
 just my thoughts
 william
 
 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Kristeen Hughes
There are certain links that it does not show. I know they're there and with a 
Windows machine people see them. VO crashes a lot with Item chooser and 
sometimes just because. If I use the back button, it takes me to an entirely 
different area. It makes a site I'm using a lot right now almost unmanageable. 
I don't know if I have a configuration that should be changed or what, but 
there is some of it.

Kristeen

On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 What problems are you having with safari on the mac?On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 
 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
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 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: poor results tap tap see

2014-03-19 Thread Sandratomkins
Whops! I meant to say do try CamFindbut I was using Siri and sent before I 
checked.
Sorry, Sandy

Sent from my iPhone

 On 19 Mar 2014, at 13:43, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 William,
 Don't try CamFind. It is free! It is excellent! You can take as many shots as 
 you like! And it is very good at recognising products even when not 
 absolutely square into the picture.
 
 Also, try red laser for barcode recognition.
 
 Good luck, Sandy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 hi all i note that with tap tap see when one pays for the credits, and a tin 
 is canned half the time it is not telling us what is in the said tin for 
 example so why pay for credits, when half to hem are wasting away it seems, 
 to determine one or two objects?
 i am getting the focus beep for the image on my 4s but find it off putting 
 that chargeable credits are being used when to me, if you a re charging for 
 the service, shouldn't a first time approach be guaranteed?
 sighted people know what an object is first time usually without having to 
 keep re-examining it
 just my thoughts
 william
 
 
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Re: Adding page to bookmarks with Google Chrome

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
Use the command d command to add bookmarks to google crome.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:37 AM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 How do you add a page to bookmarks with G C ?
 
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
Have you tried using the rotor in safari to get to the links faster?
On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 There are certain links that it does not show. I know they're there and with 
 a Windows machine people see them. VO crashes a lot with Item chooser and 
 sometimes just because. If I use the back button, it takes me to an entirely 
 different area. It makes a site I'm using a lot right now almost 
 unmanageable. I don't know if I have a configuration that should be changed 
 or what, but there is some of it.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What problems are you having with safari on the mac?On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 
 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Kristeen Hughes
The links don't show in Safari. There is supposed to be a lind after each name 
on a particular page, for example. Safaru simply doesn't see them.

Kristeen

On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:48 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have you tried using the rotor in safari to get to the links faster?
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There are certain links that it does not show. I know they're there and with 
 a Windows machine people see them. VO crashes a lot with Item chooser and 
 sometimes just because. If I use the back button, it takes me to an entirely 
 different area. It makes a site I'm using a lot right now almost 
 unmanageable. I don't know if I have a configuration that should be changed 
 or what, but there is some of it.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:26 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What problems are you having with safari on the mac?On Mar 19, 2014, at 
 7:55 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips 
 and tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it 
 more accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke
I am not making myself clear, I understand how to open a link, what I do not 
understand is that when I operate the rota and it is on links and tells me 
there are 102 links, how I can access these links e.g. by way of a list of 
links.
- Original Message - 
From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


First when you locate the link you want in to the rotor  first press enter 
then press vo space bar to open the link.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
wrote:


Yes but what I want is to cut time and instead of arrowing down through 
all the links say, I want to ump to link 10 is there a way of doing that?

- Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, 
you can just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter 
options


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke 
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate 
this way with the arrow keys?
- Original Message - From: Josh Gregory 
joshkar...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up 
arrows together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the 
up-and-down arrows to navigate through the selected elements. To 
go.back aPage, press command and the left bracket key together, to go 
forward, command and the right bracket together.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke 
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked 
that navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are 
that the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right 
arrow so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if 
there are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even 
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how 
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice 
on any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to 
another web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so 
quick on a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please 
help!  Thanks.


Eleanor
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke
Can you tell me how to use the voice over search as it sounds excellent. 
Thank you.
- Original Message - 
From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


You can use the voiceover search function and try to find the text that 
the link contains…


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Eleanor Burke 
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


Yes but what I want is to cut time and instead of arrowing down through 
all the links say, I want to ump to link 10 is there a way of doing that?

- Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, 
you can just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter 
options


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke 
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate 
this way with the arrow keys?
- Original Message - From: Josh Gregory 
joshkar...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up 
arrows together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the 
up-and-down arrows to navigate through the selected elements. To 
go.back aPage, press command and the left bracket key together, to go 
forward, command and the right bracket together.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke 
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked 
that navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are 
that the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right 
arrow so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if 
there are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even 
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how 
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice 
on any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to 
another web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so 
quick on a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please 
help!  Thanks.


Eleanor
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke

How do I activate groups mode then? Sounds good to me.
- Original Message - 
From: Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web


Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you  activate 
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a  single 
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less 
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything  else. 
Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't  like the 
fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to  click a 
link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this  isn't even a 
consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to  move along until I 
find the piece I want, then interact, then go where  I need to go, 
especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then  all I need to do 
is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander  turned on, andhave vo 
functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each  right arrow press gets me 
the next chunk of text.  Simple and  convinient.

hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:

I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked  that 
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are  that the 
only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right  arrow so 10 
presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if  there are no 
headings in between, in which case it will take me even  longer.  I can 
bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me  how many links, 
headings etc there are but pressing enter once or  twice on any of these 
just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to  another web page and want 
to go back I do not know how to do this,  so quick on a Windows machine 
with a 2 key press and I am back.   Please help!  Thanks.


Eleanor
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread William Lomas
Go to voiceover utility web section in the table and turn on group mode in their

On 19 Mar 2014, at 14:44, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 How do I activate groups mode then? Sounds good to me.
 - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you  activate 
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a  single group, 
 which get read all at once, so there's considerably less keypressing needed 
 tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything  else. Most folks who don't 
 use groups mode do so because they don't  like the fact that you need to 
 interact with the groups if you wish to  click a link or navigate a table by 
 rows/columns, but for me, this  isn't even a consideration, because I find 
 it a whole lot easier to  move along until I find the piece I want, then 
 interact, then go where  I need to go, especially if I'm just reading a book 
 or something, then  all I need to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad 
 commander  turned on, andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and 
 each  right arrow press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and  
 convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked  that 
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are  that the 
 only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right  arrow so 10 
 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if  there are no 
 headings in between, in which case it will take me even  longer.  I can 
 bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me  how many links, 
 headings etc there are but pressing enter once or  twice on any of these 
 just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to  another web page and want 
 to go back I do not know how to do this,  so quick on a Windows machine 
 with a 2 key press and I am back.   Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
To activate groups mode go to the voiceover utility then go to web then go to 
navigation then  then choose the radio button grouping items  navigate webpages 
by radio button.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 I am not making myself clear, I understand how to open a link, what I do not 
 understand is that when I operate the rota and it is on links and tells me 
 there are 102 links, how I can access these links e.g. by way of a list of 
 links.
 - Original Message - From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:40 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 First when you locate the link you want in to the rotor  first press enter 
 then press vo space bar to open the link.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Yes but what I want is to cut time and instead of arrowing down through all 
 the links say, I want to ump to link 10 is there a way of doing that?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, 
 you can just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter 
 options
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke 
 eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate 
 this way with the arrow keys?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up 
 arrows together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the 
 up-and-down arrows to navigate through the selected elements. To go.back 
 aPage, press command and the left bracket key together, to go forward, 
 command and the right bracket together.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke 
 eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that 
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow 
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are 
 no headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I 
 can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, 
 headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these 
 just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and 
 want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on a Windows 
 machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: poor results tap tap see

2014-03-19 Thread alberto
Hi, but keep in mind not always your pictures as a blind person will come out 
100% perfect, or not at all so how can they help you there.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:19 AM, William Lomas w.d.lo...@btinternet.com wrote:

 hi all i note that with tap tap see when one pays for the credits, and a tin 
 is canned half the time it is not telling us what is in the said tin for 
 example so why pay for credits, when half to hem are wasting away it seems, 
 to determine one or two objects?
 i am getting the focus beep for the image on my 4s but find it off putting 
 that chargeable credits are being used when to me, if you a re charging for 
 the service, shouldn't a first time approach be guaranteed?
 sighted people know what an object is first time usually without having to 
 keep re-examining it
 just my thoughts
 william
 
 
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread alberto
Hi, if you hit vo u you can hit either right arrow or left arrow, and it will 
switch your elements from links to headings and so on when you have chose your 
option for exam headings you can hit 1 or 2 letters of the specific heading you 
are looking for and it will take you there by arrowing down then when you found 
the option you want just use enter to stop there.
Now you can also use the command f keys to find stuff by typing it in.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:25 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Yes but what I want is to cut time and instead of arrowing down through all 
 the links say, I want to ump to link 10 is there a way of doing that?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 12:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Lol no problem, no you don't have to use the voice over plus u command, you 
 can just use the arrow keys and it will take you through the roter options
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sorry to be stupid here, do you mean after I press vo and u to navagate 
 this way with the arrow keys?
 - Original Message - From: Josh Gregory joshkar...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Hi, for the navigation issue try the left and up, and right and up arrows 
 together to get two links, headings, etc. then use the up-and-down arrows 
 to navigate through the selected elements. To go.back aPage, press command 
 and the left bracket key together, to go forward, command and the right 
 bracket together.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke 
 eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an 
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that 
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that the 
 only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow so 10 
 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there are no 
 headings in between, in which case it will take me even longer.  I can 
 bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how many links, 
 headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on any of these 
 just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another web page and want 
 to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on a Windows machine 
 with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!  Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
My person preference until I see any problems happen is safari. I tried google 
crome on the mac and didn’t like it all.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:01 AM, JAKE JOEHL jajo...@att.net wrote:

 I actually like both, and don’t have a personal preference at this point. But 
 then again maybe I will prefer one over the other  as time goes by. I’m going 
 to install ChromeVox on my Mac using the instructions provided earlier, and 
 see what I think of it. But I can tell you for certain that my sighted 
 life-skills tutor prefers Chrome over Safari any day. I guess one thing that 
 I find a bit interesting is that some links work just by hitting Enter, while 
 for others Enter doesn’t work and I have to hit VO Spacebar. One example of 
 this is when checking my work email and going through the Spam folder, Enter 
 does not work for opening that folder but it does work otherwise. My work 
 email account is a subdomain of Gmail. But perhaps that is just a VoiceOver 
 thing, one which I haven’t quite gotten used to. This applies to both 
 browsers.
 JAKE JOEHL
 jajo...@att.net
 
 
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Apple boy

Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

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On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:

Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster such as 
links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:42 
AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Google Chrome on the Mac

2014-03-19 Thread JAKE JOEHL
I actually like both, and don’t have a personal preference at this point. But 
then again maybe I will prefer one over the other  as time goes by. I’m going 
to install ChromeVox on my Mac using the instructions provided earlier, and see 
what I think of it. But I can tell you for certain that my sighted life-skills 
tutor prefers Chrome over Safari any day. I guess one thing that I find a bit 
interesting is that some links work just by hitting Enter, while for others 
Enter doesn’t work and I have to hit VO Spacebar. One example of this is when 
checking my work email and going through the Spam folder, Enter does not work 
for opening that folder but it does work otherwise. My work email account is a 
subdomain of Gmail. But perhaps that is just a VoiceOver thing, one which I 
haven’t quite gotten used to. This applies to both browsers.
JAKE JOEHL
jajo...@att.net



On Mar 19, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you folks like Chrome better than Safari for the mac? I am having some 
 trouble with Safari on pages I use a lot, and am wondering about trying 
 Chrome.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Mar 18, 2014, at 4:23 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I just installed Google Chrome on the MacBook Air.  Are there any tips and 
 tricks I should know about using it?  Any settings that would make it more 
 accessible?  I’ve already made it the default browser.
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke

Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
- Original Message - 
From: Chris Apple boy christopher...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:

Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Re: Beginner's Questions The Web

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Apple boy
No but I bet you left/right arrows the standard ones would work just the 
same or vo-left/vo-right arrows.


Regards Chris

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On 19/03/2014 16:42, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy
christopher...@gmail.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:

Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Chrome has no windows

2014-03-19 Thread Juaanita Marttin
Is there a hot key  for opening GC like the option m for the mail?  I know 
Chrome is not Apple’s default browser.  
Or is there an easy way to open its window?

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Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke
Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's 
security.- Original Message - 
From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Have you also that about using the quick nav
feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster such 
as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 2014, 
at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:



Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
christopher...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:

Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this 
isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move 
along

until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Re: Chrome has no windows

2014-03-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
You can go to chrome's prefs and add pages or what they call tabs. and it will 
l open in them.  or you can hit cmd n and show its default tab which I can't 
remember but then you can hit cmd l and type in an address to change the  tab's 
address.

good luck.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net 
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 Is there a hot key  for opening GC like the option m for the mail?  I know 
 Chrome is not Apple’s default browser.  
 Or is there an easy way to open its window?
 
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread isaac
I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's 
 security.- Original Message - From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster such 
 as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 2014, at 
 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke

Was it expensive?
- Original Message - 
From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com

To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac


I'm using clamxav. I've been using it now for about 2 years and it found 
some stuff, got rid of it and now my mac runs better, note this only 
happened once but I religiously  try to scan every sunday, no pun 
intended.


Take care.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:44 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:


I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
wrote:


Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to 
Apple's security.- Original Message - From: isaac 
isaac.heb...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Have you also that about using the quick nav
feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster 
such as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 
2014, at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:



Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
christopher...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you 
activate

groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish 
to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this 
isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move 
along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need 
to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I 
need

to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right 
arrow

press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked 
that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are 
that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right 
arrow

so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me 
how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice 
on

any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick 
on

a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I'm using clamxav. I've been using it now for about 2 years and it found some 
stuff, got rid of it and now my mac runs better, note this only happened once 
but I religiously  try to scan every sunday, no pun intended.

Take care.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:44 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's 
 security.- Original Message - From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster such 
 as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 2014, at 
 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread chris Apple Boy
So am I. I tried one or two antivirus packages and just felt they weren't 
necessary at this time.
Regards Chris
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:44, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's 
 security.- Original Message - From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster such 
 as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 2014, at 
 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread chris Apple Boy
It's free and open source.
Regards Chris
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:53, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Was it expensive?
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:48 PM
 Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac
 
 
 I'm using clamxav. I've been using it now for about 2 years and it found 
 some stuff, got rid of it and now my mac runs better, note this only 
 happened once but I religiously  try to scan every sunday, no pun intended.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:44 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's 
 security.- Original Message - From: isaac 
 isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster 
 such as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 
 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this 
 isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move 
 along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Chrome has no windows

2014-03-19 Thread chris Apple Boy
I use Keyboard Commander to do this. No other screen reader that I know of has 
this awesome little feature.
Regards Chris
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:07, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 Is there a hot key  for opening GC like the option m for the mail?  I know 
 Chrome is not Apple’s default browser.  
 Or is there an easy way to open its window?
 
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
No. it was cheap, as in, free.  You can donate though if you can, you don't 
have to, but it might help the dev just a bit.  I love clamxav. 

I did a brief overview of the program, going over its features and even did a 
scan. You can adjust it to do a lot. This is a powerful  solution running off 
of the clam AV engine , which is I believe  made for the UNIX platform. How 
ever you can use the GUI as I do.

Here is a link to the demonstration.

http://www.tffppodcast.com/clamxav-antivirus/

Good luck and enjoy. I should have the link to the app in the show notes. Any 
comments and questions can be left on the show notes page. 
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Was it expensive?
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:48 PM
 Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac
 
 
 I'm using clamxav. I've been using it now for about 2 years and it found 
 some stuff, got rid of it and now my mac runs better, note this only 
 happened once but I religiously  try to scan every sunday, no pun intended.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:44 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's 
 security.- Original Message - From: isaac 
 isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster 
 such as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 
 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this 
 isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move 
 along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Jake Joehl
Ditto for me. Apple's internal security solutions seem to be doing the trick 
for me at this point. But I will definitely check out Clamxav. I've actually 
heard of it but never used it.

Jake

- Original Message - 
From: chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac


So am I. I tried one or two antivirus packages and just felt they weren't 
necessary at this time.

Regards Chris
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:44, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:


I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
wrote:


Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to 
Apple's security.- Original Message - From: isaac 
isaac.heb...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Have you also that about using the quick nav
feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster 
such as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 
2014, at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:



Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
christopher...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you 
activate

groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish 
to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this 
isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move 
along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need 
to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I 
need

to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right 
arrow

press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:


I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked 
that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are 
that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right 
arrow

so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me 
how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice 
on

any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick 
on

a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Trojan, virus and worm-free.  However, this should in no way 
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responsibility should something unpredictable happen.

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by

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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke
On a different note, you have excellent recording, what do you use for 
recording and do you do it on the Mac?
- Original Message - 
From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com

To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac


No. it was cheap, as in, free.  You can donate though if you can, you 
don't have to, but it might help the dev just a bit.  I love clamxav.


I did a brief overview of the program, going over its features and even 
did a scan. You can adjust it to do a lot. This is a powerful  solution 
running off of the clam AV engine , which is I believe  made for the UNIX 
platform. How ever you can use the GUI as I do.


Here is a link to the demonstration.

http://www.tffppodcast.com/clamxav-antivirus/

Good luck and enjoy. I should have the link to the app in the show notes. 
Any comments and questions can be left on the show notes page.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
wrote:



Was it expensive?
- Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac


I'm using clamxav. I've been using it now for about 2 years and it found 
some stuff, got rid of it and now my mac runs better, note this only 
happened once but I religiously  try to scan every sunday, no pun 
intended.


Take care.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:44 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:


I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke 
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to 
Apple's security.- Original Message - From: isaac 
isaac.heb...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Have you also that about using the quick nav
feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster 
such as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 
19, 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
wrote:



Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
- Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
christopher...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web



Sounds good will try this cheers.

Regards Chris

Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!

On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you 
activate
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a 
single

group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use 
anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they 
don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you 
wish to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this 
isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move 
along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need 
to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I 
need

to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right 
arrow

press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.

On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:

I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in 
an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked 
that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are 
that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right 
arrow
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if 
there

are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me 
how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or 
twice on
any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to 
another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so 
quick on

a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.

Eleanor
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Lol. thanks.  Yes  I use a demo of screen  flow for my recording if Im going to 
record. I also have an 8 channel board for processing my sound and garage band 
if I need a bit more processing and a bit of compression.

Take care.

Take care.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 On a different note, you have excellent recording, what do you use for 
 recording and do you do it on the Mac?
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:14 PM
 Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac
 
 
 No. it was cheap, as in, free.  You can donate though if you can, you don't 
 have to, but it might help the dev just a bit.  I love clamxav.
 
 I did a brief overview of the program, going over its features and even did 
 a scan. You can adjust it to do a lot. This is a powerful  solution running 
 off of the clam AV engine , which is I believe  made for the UNIX platform. 
 How ever you can use the GUI as I do.
 
 Here is a link to the demonstration.
 
 http://www.tffppodcast.com/clamxav-antivirus/
 
 Good luck and enjoy. I should have the link to the app in the show notes. 
 Any comments and questions can be left on the show notes page.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Was it expensive?
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 6:48 PM
 Subject: Re: Virus Protection on Mac
 
 
 I'm using clamxav. I've been using it now for about 2 years and it found 
 some stuff, got rid of it and now my mac runs better, note this only 
 happened once but I religiously  try to scan every sunday, no pun intended.
 
 Take care.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:44 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am leaving it to apples security at this point.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to 
 Apple's security.- Original Message - From: isaac 
 isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster 
 such as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 
 2014, at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you 
 activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish 
 to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this 
 isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move 
 along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I 
 need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked 
 that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right 
 arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me 
 how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice 
 on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick 
 on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
 Eleanor
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 mac-access@mac-access.net
 
 You can find an archive 

Re: Chrome has no windows

2014-03-19 Thread Juaanita Marttin
Where is keyboard command?  I don’t see it under system preferences.  I looked 
under keyboard and I see modifiers.  Is that it?

On Mar 19, 2014, at 2:13 PM, chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use Keyboard Commander to do this. No other screen reader that I know of 
 has this awesome little feature.
 Regards Chris
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19 Mar 2014, at 18:07, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 
 Is there a hot key  for opening GC like the option m for the mail?  I know 
 Chrome is not Apple’s default browser.  
 Or is there an easy way to open its window?
 
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 worm-free.  However, this should in no way replace your own security 
 strategy.  We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something 
 unpredictable happen.
 
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 visiting the list website at:
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Re: Chrome has no windows

2014-03-19 Thread chris Apple Boy
No. Open VoiceOver Utility, select commanders in the categories table and 
select the keyboard commander tab. 
Regards Chris
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On 19 Mar 2014, at 20:02, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 Where is keyboard command?  I don’t see it under system preferences.  I 
 looked under keyboard and I see modifiers.  Is that it?
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 2:13 PM, chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I use Keyboard Commander to do this. No other screen reader that I know of 
 has this awesome little feature.
 Regards Chris
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 Is there a hot key  for opening GC like the option m for the mail?  I know 
 Chrome is not Apple’s default browser.  
 Or is there an easy way to open its window?
 
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Re: Chrome has no windows

2014-03-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Or hit vo f8, hit I think it's cmd 8, then navigate. I depend on those 
shortcuts for quickly navigating through the vo utility.

Good luck.
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 No. Open VoiceOver Utility, select commanders in the categories table and 
 select the keyboard commander tab. 
 Regards Chris
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19 Mar 2014, at 20:02, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote:
 
 Where is keyboard command?  I don’t see it under system preferences.  I 
 looked under keyboard and I see modifiers.  Is that it?
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 2:13 PM, chris Apple Boy christopher...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I use Keyboard Commander to do this. No other screen reader that I know of 
 has this awesome little feature.
 Regards Chris
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
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Virtual Mouse Click

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke

How do I do a virtual mouse click please on the Mac?
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread matthew Dyer
Hi,

Rite now I am not using anhy virus  protection on my IMAC.  Not sure if I will 
consiter changing that in the future or not.

Matthew


On Mar 19, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's 
 security.- Original Message - From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Have you also that about using the quick nav
 feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster such 
 as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 2014, at 
 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web
 
 
 Sounds good will try this cheers.
 
 Regards Chris
 
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 On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:
 Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
 groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
 group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
 keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
 else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
 like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
 click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this isn't
 even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move along
 until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
 go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
 to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
 andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
 press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
 hth.
 
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 
 I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
 effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
 navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
 the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
 so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
 are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
 longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
 many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
 any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
 web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
 a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Recording on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke

Very expensive app though Chris.
- Original Message - 
From: chris christopher...@gmail.com

To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Recording on Mac


Yes amadeus Pro is a mac app and I bought it from the App Store a few 
weeks ago after both recommendations on this list and my own usage of the 
free trial one can download from the developer's website.

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On 12 Mar 2014, at 16:08, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:


This app is for the mac.
On Mar 12, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
wrote:


Is this app just for the Mac or for iOS devices generally?  How 
accessable is it?

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To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Recording on Mac



I think you can use amadeus pro for recording.
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I am looking for an app which will allow me to record a radio 
programme going out in real time.  On my Windows machine I have Total 
Recorder but do not know if there is something similar for Mac.

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Re: Recording on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Apple boy

It is but sometimes you have to think it may be worth every penny.

Regards Chris

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On 19/03/2014 21:39, Eleanor Burke wrote:

Very expensive app though Chris.
- Original Message - From: chris christopher...@gmail.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Recording on Mac



Yes amadeus Pro is a mac app and I bought it from the App Store a few
weeks ago after both recommendations on this list and my own usage of
the free trial one can download from the developer's website.
Regards Chris
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This app is for the mac.
On Mar 12, 2014, at 11:07 AM, Eleanor Burke
eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


Is this app just for the Mac or for iOS devices generally?  How
accessable is it?
- Original Message - From: isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com
To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Recording on Mac



I think you can use amadeus pro for recording.
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eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:


I am looking for an app which will allow me to record a radio
programme going out in real time.  On my Windows machine I have
Total Recorder but do not know if there is something similar for Mac.
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Re: Virtual Mouse Click

2014-03-19 Thread Chris Apple boy

Vo-shift-space.

Regards Chris

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On 19/03/2014 21:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

How do I do a virtual mouse click please on the Mac?
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Re: Virtual Mouse Click

2014-03-19 Thread Eleanor Burke
OK but I am thinking in terms of Windows and doing a right or a left mouse 
click or is that not possible on the Mac?


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Subject: Re: Virtual Mouse Click



Vo-shift-space.

Regards Chris

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On 19/03/2014 21:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:

How do I do a virtual mouse click please on the Mac?
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Mike Arrigo
Different people have different views on this, personally I don't use 
it, and have never had a problem, but there are programs available for 
those who want them.

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Is anyone using virus protection on the Mac or just leaving it to Apple's
security.- Original Message -
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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Beginner's Questions The Web




Have you also that about using the quick nav
feature? You can assign commands to quick nag to get to things faster such
as links headings lists and check boxes and text fields.On Mar 19, 2014,
at 11:42 AM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:



Ah well I don't have a number pad so culd not do that last thing.
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Sounds good will try this cheers.



Regards Chris



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On 19/03/2014 12:57, Travis Siegel wrote:

Ellen, it might be easier for you to navigate the pages if you activate
groups mode.  In groups mode, vo combines web features into a single
group, which get read all at once, so there's considerably less
keypressing needed tonavigate your documents.  I never use anything
else.  Most folks who don't use groups mode do so because they don't
like the fact that you need to interact with the groups if you wish to
click a link or navigate a table by rows/columns, but for me, this
isn't
even a consideration, because I find it a whole lot easier to move
along
until I find the piece I want, then interact, then go where I need to
go, especially if I'm just reading a book or something, then all I need
to do is press right arrow (I have the numpad commander turned on,
andhave vo functions assigned to the arrow keys) and each right arrow
press gets me the next chunk of text.  Simple and convinient.
hth.



On Mar 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Eleanor Burke wrote:



I am having problems accessing links, headings etc on the web in an
effecient manner.  Quick Nav is turned on and I have also checked that
navagating by single character is checked.  Now my problems are that
the only way I am able to navigate a page is by using the right arrow
so 10 presses of it will take me to the 10th link, that is if there
are no headings in between, in which case it will take me even
longer.  I can bring up the roter with vo and u and this tells me how
many links, headings etc there are but pressing enter once or twice on
any of these just gives me a beep.  Finally if I move on to another
web page and want to go back I do not know how to do this, so quick on
a Windows machine with a 2 key press and I am back.  Please help!
Thanks.



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Re: Virtual Mouse Click

2014-03-19 Thread alberto
That is exactly what the vo shift space will accomplish a right mouse click.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 OK but I am thinking in terms of Windows and doing a right or a left mouse 
 click or is that not possible on the Mac?
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:43 PM
 Subject: Re: Virtual Mouse Click
 
 
 Vo-shift-space.
 
 Regards Chris
 
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 How do I do a virtual mouse click please on the Mac?
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RE: Logitech Bluetooth UE Boombox, I Eat My Words

2014-03-19 Thread Paula Hobley
Hi Dane

I'm glad you like your UE Boombox.  I have the same one, and love the
quality.  How do you switch between devices? I can't seem to work out how to
pair more than one.

Cheers

Paula


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Subject: Logitech Bluetooth UE Boombox, I Eat My Words

Yes I eat my words, after my previous experience with a Logitech Boombox
system I made it clear that I'd never ever purchase another Logitech Boombox
again, that product had serious design flaws.

I'm now in the possession of a Logitech UE Bluetooth Boombox and I have to
admit that the sound out of this unit - given its small compact boombox size
- is quite stunning.

No, the UE Boombox isn't the standard of some of the other pieces of
equipment I have here but nor should one expect this given the price tag
associated with the unit.

The Boombox can handle up to 8 pieces of equipment paired at the same time,
you might for instance take the UE Boombox to a party where you and your
friends can take it in terns to play their favorite tracks.

Build quality of the UE Boombox isn't lacking in any department, just damn
good quality throughout with a nice metal grill all around for the speakers
and a steel handle on the top.

UE by the way stands for Ultimate Ears, you may have heard of the Ultimate
Ears brand of headphones.  In 2008 Logitech acquired the Ultimate Ears
company and have since used the branding on many Logitech products, the
Ultimate Ears Radio for example.

An Ultimate Ears Logitech Air Speaker is also available which is supposed to
sound even better than the Boombox described here.


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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Dane Trethowan
Hi!

I tried to reply and join in the thread earlier but had problems sending the 
eMail for some reason but never mind.

I agree with the below but should also mention that there's far more to your 
Mac's security - or security for any other device - than Anti Virus.

For example, many Anti Virus packages do not check for spyware and tracking 
cookies and this is terribly important.

I don't use an Anti Virus package here though the top is never far from the 
front of my mind so I may end up purchasing something for the Mac at some stage.

I have used Anti Virus packages in the past for the Mac, I think I used one 
called Macsafe and I've used Eset Internet Security for Mac which - like its 
Windows Cousin - was very accessible.

Now I'm just using the Macscan anti spyware tools which I find very effective, 
its amazing just how many web sites put tracking cookies and other nasty's onto 
your system, Macscan removes and isolates those.

When it comes to computer security the main thing really it seems to me is to 
exercise some common sense, don't open links in SPAM eMail for example and 
don't deliberately go to harmful web sites which are usually identifiable, web 
sites which offer free this or free that, sites that offer fre maintenance or 
scanning tools for your system and so on, your computer is only as good as you 
want it to be and that includes security and there's no such thing as a fail 
safe and secure computer.

Returning to the subject of Anti Virus, this has to be considered by Mac users 
more urgently than before, there was a time not so long ago when the Mac 
environment was considered safe and secure but this is no longer the case, more 
and more people are using Mac machines thus those who write nasty malicious 
codes and viruses are following the trend thus writing more nasty stuff for the 
Mac.


On 20 Mar 2014, at 8:39 am, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 Different people have different views on this, personally I don't use it, and 
 have never had a problem, but there are programs available for those who want 
 them.


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Re: Logitech Bluetooth UE Boombox, I Eat My Words

2014-03-19 Thread Dane Trethowan
I've been able to pair more than one device but I'm still not exactly sure on 
how to switch between multiple devices, you can have up to 8 devices paired at 
the same time.

I think its just a matter of disconnecting the devices you don't want to use 
and connecting the device you wish to work with, unfortunately the Getting 
Started guide available on the Logitech web site seems a bit of a dogs 
breakfast to read.

On 20 Mar 2014, at 9:35 am, Paula Hobley technological_gen...@paulahobley.com 
wrote:

 Hi Dane
 
 I'm glad you like your UE Boombox.  I have the same one, and love the
 quality.  How do you switch between devices? I can't seem to work out how to
 pair more than one.
 
 Cheers


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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Dane Trethowan
Well if they're good recordings then I certainly wouldn't want to hear any bad 
one's smile.

On 20 Mar 2014, at 6:42 am, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:

 On a different note, you have excellent recording, what do you use for 
 recording and do you do it on the Mac?


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Re: Virtual Mouse Click

2014-03-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
No, the vo shift space will accomplish a left mouse click., the vo shift m 
accomplishes the control click, which is a right mouse click in mac speak.

Take care.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 2:58 PM, alberto alberto.a...@gmail.com wrote:

 That is exactly what the vo shift space will accomplish a right mouse click.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 OK but I am thinking in terms of Windows and doing a right or a left mouse 
 click or is that not possible on the Mac?
 
 - Original Message - From: Chris Apple boy 
 christopher...@gmail.com
 To: OS X  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 9:43 PM
 Subject: Re: Virtual Mouse Click
 
 
 Vo-shift-space.
 
 Regards Chris
 
 Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
 
 On 19/03/2014 21:33, Eleanor Burke wrote:
 How do I do a virtual mouse click please on the Mac?
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Hehahaah I'm picky, so you won't.

Hope the demo of clamxav helps out someone, or rather helps someone out.  if 
there were malware bytes for the mac I'd use it as well, but there dis not as 
of yet I don't think.

Clamxav I like lets you know if you have fishing emails in your email data base 
and will if you want quarenteen them. The software is just way too cool. and  
easy to use and the folks on the support forum are very helpful in solving any 
issues that might arise.

Take care to all and happy wednesday.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:

 Well if they're good recordings then I certainly wouldn't want to hear any 
 bad one's smile.
 
 On 20 Mar 2014, at 6:42 am, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 On a different note, you have excellent recording, what do you use for 
 recording and do you do it on the Mac?
 
 
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Elaine O Neill
Very good podcast, thanks for that.  Have downloaded and ran virus checker.

Cheers. 

Elaine.

Sent from my iPhone

 On 19 Mar 2014, at 11:07 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hehahaah I'm picky, so you won't.
 
 Hope the demo of clamxav helps out someone, or rather helps someone out.  if 
 there were malware bytes for the mac I'd use it as well, but there dis not as 
 of yet I don't think.
 
 Clamxav I like lets you know if you have fishing emails in your email data 
 base and will if you want quarenteen them. The software is just way too cool. 
 and  easy to use and the folks on the support forum are very helpful in 
 solving any issues that might arise.
 
 Take care to all and happy wednesday.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 Well if they're good recordings then I certainly wouldn't want to hear any 
 bad one's smile.
 
 On 20 Mar 2014, at 6:42 am, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 On a different note, you have excellent recording, what do you use for 
 recording and do you do it on the Mac?
 
 
 **
 
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Re: Virus Protection on Mac

2014-03-19 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Thanks. I cannot answer any questions should  the app brake,  but if you have 
any if the app brakes be sure to ask not eh clamxav forum. They are as I stated 
very helpful and helped me fix my problem last month when I broke it. Hehahaa.

Take care to all.
On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Elaine O Neill lain...@eircom.net wrote:

 Very good podcast, thanks for that.  Have downloaded and ran virus checker.
 
 Cheers. 
 
 Elaine.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 19 Mar 2014, at 11:07 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hehahaah I'm picky, so you won't.
 
 Hope the demo of clamxav helps out someone, or rather helps someone out.  if 
 there were malware bytes for the mac I'd use it as well, but there dis not 
 as of yet I don't think.
 
 Clamxav I like lets you know if you have fishing emails in your email data 
 base and will if you want quarenteen them. The software is just way too 
 cool. and  easy to use and the folks on the support forum are very helpful 
 in solving any issues that might arise.
 
 Take care to all and happy wednesday.
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net 
 wrote:
 
 Well if they're good recordings then I certainly wouldn't want to hear any 
 bad one's smile.
 
 On 20 Mar 2014, at 6:42 am, Eleanor Burke eleanorbu...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 On a different note, you have excellent recording, what do you use for 
 recording and do you do it on the Mac?
 
 
 **
 
 Dane Trethowan
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Demo Of The Logitech UE Boombox

2014-03-19 Thread Dane Trethowan
Here it is folks as requested and I apologies if the quality is lacking a 
little here as the recording was rushed but I think you'll get the general 
idea, the Logitech Boombox does indeed Boom!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Logitech%20UE%20Boombox%20Demo.mp3
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Re: Demo Of The Logitech UE Boombox

2014-03-19 Thread Josh Gregory
Very nice, sounds very pleasurable to the ear.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 19, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 Here it is folks as requested and I apologies if the quality is lacking a 
 little here as the recording was rushed but I think you'll get the general 
 idea, the Logitech Boombox does indeed Boom!
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10565527/Logitech%20UE%20Boombox%20Demo.mp3
 If link doesn't work the first time then try again in a few minutes, file may 
 still be uploading to Dropbox.
 
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