Re: VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-06 Thread Josh Gregory 
I see, thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

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>> No offense, but why would you need that if the compatibility in the native 
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Re: VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-06 Thread Gordon Smith 
Hi Josh

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On 5 Jun 2013, at 06:38, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> No offense, but why would you need that if the compatibility in the native 
> reader has improved? Are there certain types of things that voiceover can 
> still not handle?

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Re: VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-05 Thread Bryan Jones 
Hi James,

Can you provide some details of the problems you are having with Skim? I did a 
quick run through of a couple PDFs using Skim 1.4.3 on my MBA running OS 10.8.4 
and didn't encounter any major issues.

Cheers,
Bryan


>> On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:31 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
>>> Since updating to 10.8.4, has anyone else noticed that PDFs no longer seem 
>>> to be readable in Skim?

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Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-05 Thread JAMES AUSTIN 
None intended, it appears that "single page view" is not accessible to VO. 
However, if you change your view to "Single Page Continuous" VO works fine with 
Skim and reading. Thanks to John for this.

Take care
James 
On 5 Jun 2013, at 15:09, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

Really.  Hmm, I wonder why that would be?  Well, no hard feelings, it was just 
a thought.  Smile.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "JAMES AUSTIN" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?


> I use Skim myself and since updating to 10.8.4 Skim has become unusable for 
> me.
> 
> James
> On 5 Jun 2013, at 11:16, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
> Just a suggestion.  Has anyone tried maybe using the app called Skim to read 
> p d f files?  I hear that it works extremely! well and is way! way! better 
> than Preview.  Plus, it's completely 100% freeware.
> 
> I'd google it and try it.  You all might like it.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?
> 
> 
>> Hi Josh,
>> Yes, the behavior with PDF documents is improved, although it is still not 
>> the same as viewing them on Windows. Nevertheless, you can get all the text 
>> from them now without having to go through contortions. I trust that Apple 
>> will release more substantial changes in 10.9.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys, in the release notes for OS 10.8.4, it states that there is 
>>> improved compatibility with PDF documents with voice over. I'm quite 
>>> impressed by this, but I'm wondering if anybody has actually had experience 
>>> with it, and if this is actually as it states. Thank you.
>>> 
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Re: VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-05 Thread JAMES AUSTIN 
Hi John,

Thank you for that. I feel really dim for not trying that. Hopefully though the 
problem with single page view can be fixed, as it can be useful.

Take care
James 
On 5 Jun 2013, at 14:50, John Panarese  wrote:

  Just as a guess, try changing your view to continuous.  It seems in Preview 
that single page is not working as far as VO seems to not see the document.


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On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:46 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Thanks Zack, I'll use Preview until such a time that Skim access is restored.
> Best
> James 
> 
> On 5 Jun 2013, at 06:43, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> While I cannot confirm the problems with Skim on 10.8.4, I can suggest that 
> Preview has much improved. I should clarify that it has not yet given us 
> access to all the elements of PDF files, such as tables and forms, but it's 
> reading experience now very closely matches what you would receive with Skim. 
> Hopefully, more work will be done on this in 10.9.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> No offense, but why would you need that if the compatibility in the native 
>> reader has improved? Are there certain types of things that voiceover can 
>> still not handle?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:31 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Since updating to 10.8.4, has anyone else noticed that PDFs no longer seem 
>>> to be readable in Skim?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Take care
>>> James 
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Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-05 Thread Chris Gilland 
Really.  Hmm, I wonder why that would be?  Well, no hard feelings, it was 
just a thought.  Smile.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "JAMES AUSTIN" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?


I use Skim myself and since updating to 10.8.4 Skim has become unusable for 
me.


James
On 5 Jun 2013, at 11:16, Chris Gilland  wrote:

Just a suggestion.  Has anyone tried maybe using the app called Skim to 
read p d f files?  I hear that it works extremely! well and is way! way! 
better than Preview.  Plus, it's completely 100% freeware.


I'd google it and try it.  You all might like it.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?



Hi Josh,
Yes, the behavior with PDF documents is improved, although it is still 
not the same as viewing them on Windows. Nevertheless, you can get all 
the text from them now without having to go through contortions. I trust 
that Apple will release more substantial changes in 10.9.

Best,
Zack.
On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

Hi guys, in the release notes for OS 10.8.4, it states that there is 
improved compatibility with PDF documents with voice over. I'm quite 
impressed by this, but I'm wondering if anybody has actually had 
experience with it, and if this is actually as it states. Thank you.


Sent from my iPhone
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Re: VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-05 Thread John Panarese 
   Just as a guess, try changing your view to continuous.  It seems in Preview 
that single page is not working as far as VO seems to not see the document.


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On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:46 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Thanks Zack, I'll use Preview until such a time that Skim access is restored.
> Best
> James 
> 
> On 5 Jun 2013, at 06:43, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> While I cannot confirm the problems with Skim on 10.8.4, I can suggest that 
> Preview has much improved. I should clarify that it has not yet given us 
> access to all the elements of PDF files, such as tables and forms, but it's 
> reading experience now very closely matches what you would receive with Skim. 
> Hopefully, more work will be done on this in 10.9.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> No offense, but why would you need that if the compatibility in the native 
>> reader has improved? Are there certain types of things that voiceover can 
>> still not handle?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:31 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Since updating to 10.8.4, has anyone else noticed that PDFs no longer seem 
>>> to be readable in Skim?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Take care
>>> James 
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Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-05 Thread JAMES AUSTIN 
I use Skim myself and since updating to 10.8.4 Skim has become unusable for me.

James
On 5 Jun 2013, at 11:16, Chris Gilland  wrote:

Just a suggestion.  Has anyone tried maybe using the app called Skim to read p 
d f files?  I hear that it works extremely! well and is way! way! better than 
Preview.  Plus, it's completely 100% freeware.

I'd google it and try it.  You all might like it.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?


> Hi Josh,
> Yes, the behavior with PDF documents is improved, although it is still not 
> the same as viewing them on Windows. Nevertheless, you can get all the text 
> from them now without having to go through contortions. I trust that Apple 
> will release more substantial changes in 10.9.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys, in the release notes for OS 10.8.4, it states that there is 
>> improved compatibility with PDF documents with voice over. I'm quite 
>> impressed by this, but I'm wondering if anybody has actually had experience 
>> with it, and if this is actually as it states. Thank you.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-05 Thread Chris Gilland 
Just a suggestion.  Has anyone tried maybe using the app called Skim to read 
p d f files?  I hear that it works extremely! well and is way! way! better 
than Preview.  Plus, it's completely 100% freeware.


I'd google it and try it.  You all might like it.

Chris.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?



Hi Josh,
Yes, the behavior with PDF documents is improved, although it is still not 
the same as viewing them on Windows. Nevertheless, you can get all the 
text from them now without having to go through contortions. I trust that 
Apple will release more substantial changes in 10.9.

Best,
Zack.
On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

Hi guys, in the release notes for OS 10.8.4, it states that there is 
improved compatibility with PDF documents with voice over. I'm quite 
impressed by this, but I'm wondering if anybody has actually had 
experience with it, and if this is actually as it states. Thank you.


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Re: VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-04 Thread JAMES AUSTIN 
Thanks Zack, I'll use Preview until such a time that Skim access is restored.
Best
James 

On 5 Jun 2013, at 06:43, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Hi,
While I cannot confirm the problems with Skim on 10.8.4, I can suggest that 
Preview has much improved. I should clarify that it has not yet given us access 
to all the elements of PDF files, such as tables and forms, but it's reading 
experience now very closely matches what you would receive with Skim. 
Hopefully, more work will be done on this in 10.9.
Best,
Zack.
On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> No offense, but why would you need that if the compatibility in the native 
> reader has improved? Are there certain types of things that voiceover can 
> still not handle?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:31 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Since updating to 10.8.4, has anyone else noticed that PDFs no longer seem 
>> to be readable in Skim?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Take care
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Re: VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-04 Thread JAMES AUSTIN 
Skim seems to be able to handle larger PDFs and is more stable. It also works 
well for presentations. I have to read a great deal for the work that I do and 
Skim fulfills my requirements better than Preview. However, reading PDFs with 
the new improvements is a joy. Hopefully, this is a sign of things to come.

Take care
James 
On 5 Jun 2013, at 06:38, Josh Gregory  wrote:

No offense, but why would you need that if the compatibility in the native 
reader has improved? Are there certain types of things that voiceover can still 
not handle?

Sent from my iPhone

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> Thanks
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Re: VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-04 Thread Zachary Kline 
Hi,
While I cannot confirm the problems with Skim on 10.8.4, I can suggest that 
Preview has much improved. I should clarify that it has not yet given us access 
to all the elements of PDF files, such as tables and forms, but it's reading 
experience now very closely matches what you would receive with Skim. 
Hopefully, more work will be done on this in 10.9.
Best,
Zack.
On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:38 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

> No offense, but why would you need that if the compatibility in the native 
> reader has improved? Are there certain types of things that voiceover can 
> still not handle?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 1:31 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Since updating to 10.8.4, has anyone else noticed that PDFs no longer seem 
>> to be readable in Skim?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Take care
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Re: VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-04 Thread Josh Gregory 
No offense, but why would you need that if the compatibility in the native 
reader has improved? Are there certain types of things that voiceover can still 
not handle?

Sent from my iPhone

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VoiceOver problems with Skim was Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-04 Thread JAMES AUSTIN 
Hi all,

Since updating to 10.8.4, has anyone else noticed that PDFs no longer seem to 
be readable in Skim?

Thanks
Take care
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Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-04 Thread Josh Gregory 
Yes, we can only hope that that is the case.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 4, 2013, at 8:03 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Josh,
> Yes, the behavior with PDF documents is improved, although it is still not 
> the same as viewing them on Windows. Nevertheless, you can get all the text 
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> will release more substantial changes in 10.9.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 4:53 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys, in the release notes for OS 10.8.4, it states that there is 
>> improved compatibility with PDF documents with voice over. I'm quite 
>> impressed by this, but I'm wondering if anybody has actually had experience 
>> with it, and if this is actually as it states. Thank you.
>> 
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Re: Voice over mentioned in a software update?

2013-06-04 Thread Zachary Kline 
Hi Josh,
Yes, the behavior with PDF documents is improved, although it is still not the 
same as viewing them on Windows. Nevertheless, you can get all the text from 
them now without having to go through contortions. I trust that Apple will 
release more substantial changes in 10.9.
Best,
Zack.
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> if this is actually as it states. Thank you.
> 
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