Re: click mouse keystroke

[Sarah Alawami]

Try it in iTunes.

1. go to devices/iphone name
2. go to the scroll area.

3. go to update or restore.

4. cmd vo f5 to the item.

>From here I have to turn vo off to option click to get the choose file thing 
>to show. then turn vo on once I've option clicked. Hope this makes sense. I'm 
>half sleeping.

Be blessed.
On Nov 13, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:

> Hi All.
> 
> Like always, I used the vo shift m and open the file with no problems. It 
> appears there is a split between the methods of using control click and 
> option click. I have written down the steps below so they can be corrected if 
> they are in error.
> 
> In the case you want to open a file and use the control click, do the 
> following:
> 
> 1.  Simple process is to use vo shift m and select the open item.
> 2. The long method is:
> 
> 
> a:  Select the program you want to open.
> B: Press vo cmd f5 to move the mouse cursor to the vo cursor.
> C: Press control track pad or control mouse click (on the physical mouse).
> 
> The last point is where the split occurs. Some people say you don't have to 
> turn off VO while others say you do. I will try both methods and see what 
> occurs.
> 
> 
> Sean 
> On 14/11/2012, at 4:20 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> I believe the problem is that with voiceover on, ctrl-click and option-click 
>> don't work properly. you need to toggle it first, then click, and finally 
>> turn it back on again. This is probably worth reporting to Apple, as it is a 
>> minor but occasionally noticeable inconvenience.
>> Best,
>> Zack.
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
>> 
>>> I've never been able to get a good answer to this one either. What I've 
>>> been told is to tap the trackpad while holding down the control key, but no 
>>> joy here on my end. In true Phil fashion, I just gave up;-)
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility iOS Accessibility" 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:27 AM
>>> Subject: click mouse keystroke
>>> 
>>> 
 Hello team,
 
 How do you issue a control mouse click within VO? Since under Mountain 
 Lion, if you have your security settings set to Apple store and known 
 developers, and if you download an app that doesn't meet this. You can get 
 around the issue by pressing control mouse click. I have already worked 
 out how to get the mouse to the app, but cannot find the keystroke to 
 issue control click.
 
 Any help would be great.
 
 Sean
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Re: click mouse keystroke

[Sean Murphy]

Hi All.

Like always, I used the vo shift m and open the file with no problems. It 
appears there is a split between the methods of using control click and option 
click. I have written down the steps below so they can be corrected if they are 
in error.

In the case you want to open a file and use the control click, do the following:

1.  Simple process is to use vo shift m and select the open item.
2. The long method is:


a:  Select the program you want to open.
B: Press vo cmd f5 to move the mouse cursor to the vo cursor.
C: Press control track pad or control mouse click (on the physical mouse).

The last point is where the split occurs. Some people say you don't have to 
turn off VO while others say you do. I will try both methods and see what 
occurs.


Sean 
On 14/11/2012, at 4:20 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> I believe the problem is that with voiceover on, ctrl-click and option-click 
> don't work properly. you need to toggle it first, then click, and finally 
> turn it back on again. This is probably worth reporting to Apple, as it is a 
> minor but occasionally noticeable inconvenience.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> I've never been able to get a good answer to this one either. What I've been 
>> told is to tap the trackpad while holding down the control key, but no joy 
>> here on my end. In true Phil fashion, I just gave up;-)
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility iOS Accessibility" 
>> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:27 AM
>> Subject: click mouse keystroke
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello team,
>>> 
>>> How do you issue a control mouse click within VO? Since under Mountain 
>>> Lion, if you have your security settings set to Apple store and known 
>>> developers, and if you download an app that doesn't meet this. You can get 
>>> around the issue by pressing control mouse click. I have already worked out 
>>> how to get the mouse to the app, but cannot find the keystroke to issue 
>>> control click.
>>> 
>>> Any help would be great.
>>> 
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Re: click mouse keystroke

[Sarah Alawami]

to restore from an ipsw file you downloaded let's say to resotre off line you 
do need to turn off vo. It's the same with some programs such as crash plan 
where you do need to turn off vo to get to some of the settings to do a control 
or option click.

Take care.

On Nov 13, 2012, at 13:44, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> I was still under the impression that to do a control click I think it is so 
> as to load a beta iOs image onto an iDevice, this did entale turning off VO 
> but was specifically a VO bug in this 1 situation. Perhaps this has been 
> resolved or I am incorrect but there are several mentions of this in the 
> archives. 
> 
> Either way, great to have a definitive simple to understand instruction on 
> how to do it as it seems to confuse quite a few of us. 
> 
> 
> Danny:
> 
> On 14/11/2012, at 4:58 AM, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Zack and Others,
>> 
>> My experience is the same as Anne's: having VoiceOver on works with all 
>> these key combinations such as Control-click and Option-click.  The only 
>> other possible issue I can think of is how your cursor tracking options are 
>> set, since if you use a mouse or trackpad and have these two tracking you 
>> might be able to inadvertently move your cursor off the element you want if 
>> you don't press down directly for your click.  But I agree with Anne that as 
>> long as your mouse cursor is routed to your VO cursor (VO-Command-F5), 
>> holding down the control key and pressing down to click the trackpad works 
>> for me with VO on.  So does Option-click.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 07:38, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Zack,
>>> 
>>> VO does not prevent control-click or Option-Click from working. Tapping the 
>>> trackpad is not sufficient, you have to press down on it to click. In 
>>> System Preferences, you should uncheck the Tap to click check box which may 
>>> be where the confusion is coming from.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13 Nov 2012, at 18:20, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>>> 
 I believe the problem is that with voiceover on, ctrl-click and 
 option-click don't work properly. you need to toggle it first, then click, 
 and finally turn it back on again. This is probably worth reporting to 
 Apple, as it is a minor but occasionally noticeable inconvenience.
 Best,
 Zack.
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Re: click mouse keystroke

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I was still under the impression that to do a control click I think it is so as 
to load a beta iOs image onto an iDevice, this did entale turning off VO but 
was specifically a VO bug in this 1 situation. Perhaps this has been resolved 
or I am incorrect but there are several mentions of this in the archives. 

Either way, great to have a definitive simple to understand instruction on how 
to do it as it seems to confuse quite a few of us. 


Danny:

On 14/11/2012, at 4:58 AM, Esther  wrote:

> Hello Zack and Others,
> 
> My experience is the same as Anne's: having VoiceOver on works with all these 
> key combinations such as Control-click and Option-click.  The only other 
> possible issue I can think of is how your cursor tracking options are set, 
> since if you use a mouse or trackpad and have these two tracking you might be 
> able to inadvertently move your cursor off the element you want if you don't 
> press down directly for your click.  But I agree with Anne that as long as 
> your mouse cursor is routed to your VO cursor (VO-Command-F5), holding down 
> the control key and pressing down to click the trackpad works for me with VO 
> on.  So does Option-click.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 07:38, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Zack,
>> 
>> VO does not prevent control-click or Option-Click from working. Tapping the 
>> trackpad is not sufficient, you have to press down on it to click. In System 
>> Preferences, you should uncheck the Tap to click check box which may be 
>> where the confusion is coming from.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 Nov 2012, at 18:20, Zachary Kline  wrote:
>> 
>>> I believe the problem is that with voiceover on, ctrl-click and 
>>> option-click don't work properly. you need to toggle it first, then click, 
>>> and finally turn it back on again. This is probably worth reporting to 
>>> Apple, as it is a minor but occasionally noticeable inconvenience.
>>> Best,
>>> Zack.
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Re: click mouse keystroke

[Phil Halton]

Well, I'll be, I actually got it to work. You do need to Press down on the 
trackpad - I didn't know it was pressure sensative.
I did uncheck the "tap to click" checkbox in trackpad SysPref's. Now, I 
don't suppose you can tell us what the "secondary click" setting in system 
preferences/trackpad is for?


- Original Message - 
From: "Anne Robertson" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: click mouse keystroke



Hello Zack,

VO does not prevent control-click or Option-Click from working. Tapping 
the trackpad is not sufficient, you have to press down on it to click. In 
System Preferences, you should uncheck the Tap to click check box which 
may be where the confusion is coming from.


Cheers,

Anne




On 13 Nov 2012, at 18:20, Zachary Kline  wrote:

I believe the problem is that with voiceover on, ctrl-click and 
option-click don't work properly. you need to toggle it first, then 
click, and finally turn it back on again. This is probably worth 
reporting to Apple, as it is a minor but occasionally noticeable 
inconvenience.

Best,
Zack.

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Re: click mouse keystroke

[Esther]

Hello Zack and Others,

My experience is the same as Anne's: having VoiceOver on works with all these 
key combinations such as Control-click and Option-click.  The only other 
possible issue I can think of is how your cursor tracking options are set, 
since if you use a mouse or trackpad and have these two tracking you might be 
able to inadvertently move your cursor off the element you want if you don't 
press down directly for your click.  But I agree with Anne that as long as your 
mouse cursor is routed to your VO cursor (VO-Command-F5), holding down the 
control key and pressing down to click the trackpad works for me with VO on.  
So does Option-click.

Cheers,

Esther

On Nov 13, 2012, at 07:38, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Zack,
> 
> VO does not prevent control-click or Option-Click from working. Tapping the 
> trackpad is not sufficient, you have to press down on it to click. In System 
> Preferences, you should uncheck the Tap to click check box which may be where 
> the confusion is coming from.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 13 Nov 2012, at 18:20, Zachary Kline  wrote:
> 
>> I believe the problem is that with voiceover on, ctrl-click and option-click 
>> don't work properly. you need to toggle it first, then click, and finally 
>> turn it back on again. This is probably worth reporting to Apple, as it is a 
>> minor but occasionally noticeable inconvenience.
>> Best,
>> Zack.

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Re: click mouse keystroke

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Zack,

VO does not prevent control-click or Option-Click from working. Tapping the 
trackpad is not sufficient, you have to press down on it to click. In System 
Preferences, you should uncheck the Tap to click check box which may be where 
the confusion is coming from.

Cheers,

Anne
 



On 13 Nov 2012, at 18:20, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> I believe the problem is that with voiceover on, ctrl-click and option-click 
> don't work properly. you need to toggle it first, then click, and finally 
> turn it back on again. This is probably worth reporting to Apple, as it is a 
> minor but occasionally noticeable inconvenience.
> Best,
> Zack.
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Re: click mouse keystroke

[Zachary Kline]

I believe the problem is that with voiceover on, ctrl-click and option-click 
don't work properly. you need to toggle it first, then click, and finally turn 
it back on again. This is probably worth reporting to Apple, as it is a minor 
but occasionally noticeable inconvenience.
Best,
Zack.
On Nov 13, 2012, at 9:18 AM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> I've never been able to get a good answer to this one either. What I've been 
> told is to tap the trackpad while holding down the control key, but no joy 
> here on my end. In true Phil fashion, I just gave up;-)
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility iOS Accessibility" 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:27 AM
> Subject: click mouse keystroke
> 
> 
>> Hello team,
>> 
>> How do you issue a control mouse click within VO? Since under Mountain Lion, 
>> if you have your security settings set to Apple store and known developers, 
>> and if you download an app that doesn't meet this. You can get around the 
>> issue by pressing control mouse click. I have already worked out how to get 
>> the mouse to the app, but cannot find the keystroke to issue control click.
>> 
>> Any help would be great.
>> 
>> Sean
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Re: click mouse keystroke

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I've never been able to get a good answer to this one either. What I've been 
told is to tap the trackpad while holding down the control key, but no joy 
here on my end. In true Phil fashion, I just gave up;-)


- Original Message - 
From: "Sean Murphy" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility iOS Accessibility" 


Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:27 AM
Subject: click mouse keystroke



Hello team,

How do you issue a control mouse click within VO? Since under Mountain 
Lion, if you have your security settings set to Apple store and known 
developers, and if you download an app that doesn't meet this. You can get 
around the issue by pressing control mouse click. I have already worked 
out how to get the mouse to the app, but cannot find the keystroke to 
issue control click.


Any help would be great.

Sean
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Re: click mouse keystroke

[Danny Noonan]

Thanks. I think I was thinking of 1 specific use that required vo to be turned 
off. Restoring or something within iTunes. 

Danny:

On 13/11/2012, at 10:23 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Sean,
> 
> Control-click is the standard shortcut to get a contextual menu. So, you can 
> try VO-Shift-m, but if that doesn't work, just bring the mouse with 
> VO-Cmd-F5, hold down the Control key and click with the mouse or trackpad. 
> You do not have to turn VO off.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 13 Nov 2012, at 11:27, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
>> Hello team,
>> 
>> How do you issue a control mouse click within VO? Since under Mountain Lion, 
>> if you have your security settings set to Apple store and known developers, 
>> and if you download an app that doesn't meet this. You can get around the 
>> issue by pressing control mouse click. I have already worked out how to get 
>> the mouse to the app, but cannot find the keystroke to issue control click.
>> 
>> Any help would be great.
>> 
>> Sean 
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Re: click mouse keystroke

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Sean,

Control-click is the standard shortcut to get a contextual menu. So, you can 
try VO-Shift-m, but if that doesn't work, just bring the mouse with VO-Cmd-F5, 
hold down the Control key and click with the mouse or trackpad. You do not have 
to turn VO off.

Cheers,

Anne


On 13 Nov 2012, at 11:27, Sean Murphy  wrote:

> Hello team,
> 
> How do you issue a control mouse click within VO? Since under Mountain Lion, 
> if you have your security settings set to Apple store and known developers, 
> and if you download an app that doesn't meet this. You can get around the 
> issue by pressing control mouse click. I have already worked out how to get 
> the mouse to the app, but cannot find the keystroke to issue control click.
> 
> Any help would be great.
> 
> Sean 
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Re: click mouse keystroke

[Danny Noonan]

Well, a simple work arroung is to go to context menu and then do open and that 
will allow you to install any app. It'll ask you if your sure but then will 
install regardless of where it comes from.

I'm having a mental blank of control mouse click but if it came to it, it's 
either VO command f5 or VO f5 then, turn off VoiceOver and do the modifier with 
an actual mouse or touchpad click/double click. I'll let someone who hasn't had 
a couple of vodkas answer that one but the context menu, shift vo m and open 
will definitely work for opening any app regardless of where it is from.

HTH.

Danny:'
On 13/11/2012, at 9:27 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:

> Hello team,
> 
> How do you issue a control mouse click within VO? Since under Mountain Lion, 
> if you have your security settings set to Apple store and known developers, 
> and if you download an app that doesn't meet this. You can get around the 
> issue by pressing control mouse click. I have already worked out how to get 
> the mouse to the app, but cannot find the keystroke to issue control click.
> 
> Any help would be great.
> 
> Sean 
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