Re: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO

2012-04-14 Thread Murielle (listes)
re-hello,
I've made some test : unfortunately quickword and VO don't work with tables.

Le 14 avr. 2012 à 22:23, Christo Thiardt a écrit :

> Hello
> 
> would it help handle tables?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
> On 14 Apr 2012, at 16:18, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hello Glenn,
>> 
>> Murielle was speaking of a word processing application from the Mac App 
>> Store: Quick Word by Fox Soft Inc.  It is $19.99 in the US App Store.  The 
>> reviews look good, with the possible concern that a number of people have 
>> reported that saving documents has been unreliable on occasion.  The link 
>> that Murielle supplied will work on the Mac, but will initially show the 
>> price (€15.99) for the Belgian App Store.  Here's the link for the product 
>> in the U.S. Mac App Store:
>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quick-word/id480932218?mt=12
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Glenn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Muriel,
>>> I looked on the app store on my iPhone, and only found games or 
>>> dictionaries 
>>> by that name.]
>>> Maybe it is not available in the U.S., which country are you in?
>>> Glenn
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Murielle (listes)" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:28 AM
>>> Subject: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ello,
>>> I've discover and test quickword.
>>> i think that this text editor is accessible with VO
>>> It' here on the Appstore :
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/be/app/quick-word/id480932218?l=fr&mt=12
>>> 
>>> Create a table doesn't work with VO but the reste seems usable.  Reading of 
>>> tables seemes possible and to modify some of them. I'm not sure about the 
>>> visual result on an other text editor...
>>> 
>>> But... if you are looking for an easy and simple text editor this app is 
>>> great for blind people..., I think.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> 
>>> Murielle
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO

2012-04-14 Thread Murielle (listes)
Hello,
I've not yet  manage to do a table with quickword. But  just  test it a little 
hour. I've seen that the result of the opening of table is readable and also 
that it's possible to define the number of lines and ranges in a table.
A good thing is written on the apple store application's description: the 
developer says that we can write him and explain some difficulties or 
suggestions. Also I think that it could be possible to improve the application 
for blinds...

Take care and have a nice sunday.

Murielle
  
Le 14 avr. 2012 à 22:23, Christo Thiardt a écrit :

> Hello
> 
> would it help handle tables?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> 
> On 14 Apr 2012, at 16:18, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hello Glenn,
>> 
>> Murielle was speaking of a word processing application from the Mac App 
>> Store: Quick Word by Fox Soft Inc.  It is $19.99 in the US App Store.  The 
>> reviews look good, with the possible concern that a number of people have 
>> reported that saving documents has been unreliable on occasion.  The link 
>> that Murielle supplied will work on the Mac, but will initially show the 
>> price (€15.99) for the Belgian App Store.  Here's the link for the product 
>> in the U.S. Mac App Store:
>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quick-word/id480932218?mt=12
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Glenn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Muriel,
>>> I looked on the app store on my iPhone, and only found games or 
>>> dictionaries 
>>> by that name.]
>>> Maybe it is not available in the U.S., which country are you in?
>>> Glenn
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Murielle (listes)" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:28 AM
>>> Subject: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ello,
>>> I've discover and test quickword.
>>> i think that this text editor is accessible with VO
>>> It' here on the Appstore :
>>> http://itunes.apple.com/be/app/quick-word/id480932218?l=fr&mt=12
>>> 
>>> Create a table doesn't work with VO but the reste seems usable.  Reading of 
>>> tables seemes possible and to modify some of them. I'm not sure about the 
>>> visual result on an other text editor...
>>> 
>>> But... if you are looking for an easy and simple text editor this app is 
>>> great for blind people..., I think.
>>> 
>>> Take care.
>>> 
>>> Murielle
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO

2012-04-14 Thread Christo Thiardt
Hello

would it help handle tables?

Thanks in advance


On 14 Apr 2012, at 16:18, Esther wrote:

> Hello Glenn,
> 
> Murielle was speaking of a word processing application from the Mac App 
> Store: Quick Word by Fox Soft Inc.  It is $19.99 in the US App Store.  The 
> reviews look good, with the possible concern that a number of people have 
> reported that saving documents has been unreliable on occasion.  The link 
> that Murielle supplied will work on the Mac, but will initially show the 
> price (€15.99) for the Belgian App Store.  Here's the link for the product in 
> the U.S. Mac App Store:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quick-word/id480932218?mt=12
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Glenn wrote:
> 
>> Hi Muriel,
>> I looked on the app store on my iPhone, and only found games or dictionaries 
>> by that name.]
>> Maybe it is not available in the U.S., which country are you in?
>> Glenn
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Murielle (listes)" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:28 AM
>> Subject: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO
>> 
>> 
>> ello,
>> I've discover and test quickword.
>> i think that this text editor is accessible with VO
>> It' here on the Appstore :
>> http://itunes.apple.com/be/app/quick-word/id480932218?l=fr&mt=12
>> 
>> Create a table doesn't work with VO but the reste seems usable.  Reading of 
>> tables seemes possible and to modify some of them. I'm not sure about the 
>> visual result on an other text editor...
>> 
>> But... if you are looking for an easy and simple text editor this app is 
>> great for blind people..., I think.
>> 
>> Take care.
>> 
>> Murielle
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO

2012-04-14 Thread Esther
Hello Glenn,

Murielle was speaking of a word processing application from the Mac App Store: 
Quick Word by Fox Soft Inc.  It is $19.99 in the US App Store.  The reviews 
look good, with the possible concern that a number of people have reported that 
saving documents has been unreliable on occasion.  The link that Murielle 
supplied will work on the Mac, but will initially show the price (€15.99) for 
the Belgian App Store.  Here's the link for the product in the U.S. Mac App 
Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/quick-word/id480932218?mt=12

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Apr 14, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Glenn wrote:

> Hi Muriel,
> I looked on the app store on my iPhone, and only found games or dictionaries 
> by that name.]
> Maybe it is not available in the U.S., which country are you in?
> Glenn
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Murielle (listes)" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:28 AM
> Subject: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO
> 
> 
> ello,
> I've discover and test quickword.
> i think that this text editor is accessible with VO
> It' here on the Appstore :
> http://itunes.apple.com/be/app/quick-word/id480932218?l=fr&mt=12
> 
> Create a table doesn't work with VO but the reste seems usable.  Reading of 
> tables seemes possible and to modify some of them. I'm not sure about the 
> visual result on an other text editor...
> 
> But... if you are looking for an easy and simple text editor this app is 
> great for blind people..., I think.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> Murielle
> 
> 
> 

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Re: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO

2012-04-14 Thread Glenn
Hi Muriel,
I looked on the app store on my iPhone, and only found games or dictionaries 
by that name.]
Maybe it is not available in the U.S., which country are you in?
Glenn

- Original Message - 
From: "Murielle (listes)" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 3:28 AM
Subject: quickword : i think that this text editor is accessible with VO


ello,
I've discover and test quickword.
 i think that this text editor is accessible with VO
It' here on the Appstore :
http://itunes.apple.com/be/app/quick-word/id480932218?l=fr&mt=12

Create a table doesn't work with VO but the reste seems usable.  Reading of 
tables seemes possible and to modify some of them. I'm not sure about the 
visual result on an other text editor...

But... if you are looking for an easy and simple text editor this app is 
great for blind people..., I think.

Take care.

Murielle



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Re: Text editor

2011-11-11 Thread Esther
Hello Koji,

I haven't tried Pages on the iPhone, and I think the experience of using word 
processors on iOS devices may still lag behind the desktop experience.  
However, I'll point out one thing that may be of interest to iOS device users 
about Pages on the Mac, and also Scrivener.  Both these apps allow you to 
export documents into ePub format, which you could then transfer to iBooks and 
read on your iOS devices.  As far as I know, there are no comparable Windows 
applications (designed for regular users rather than publishers) that have this 
capability.  This is not a feature of the iOS version of Pages -- only in the 
Mac OS X version.

While it is possible to use Stanza desktop (in either the Mac or Windows 
versions) to convert between different document and eBook formats and generate 
ePub files, this process is probably less robust than directly producing ePub 
files from text in Pages or Scrivener.

I should also probably have added that Office for the Mac is not accessible at 
all. Some people can use the Windows version of Office if they put Bootcamp on 
the Mac and run Windows with an associated screen reader, or if they run a 
Windows virtual machine through VMWare fusion.  But Office for the Mac was not 
written to comply with Apple's accessibility APIs, so it will not work with 
VoiceOver.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
  
On Nov 11, 2011, at 03:04, Koji Matsuda (Verizon) wrote:

> Wow, Ester,
> that was a very informative email.  Thank you.  I fell in love with iPhone 
> about a year ago, and now I am thinking about getting a laptop of some kind 
> made by Apple.  I was curious about Pages and it was great to know that there 
> are users out there to share. I was wondering whether to buy Pages for my 
> iPhone, and your info wasn'tnecessarily for the iOS, but again it was very 
> informative and I appreciate people like you who are willing to spend time 
> explaining things in detail.
> 
> Koji
> 
> --
> From: "Esther" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:14 PM
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Subject: Re: Text editor
> 
>> Hi Catherine,
>> 
>> TextEdit does let you print results, and you can open Word documents that 
>> are sent to you in this program.  However, while it is easy to use, and 
>> actually more powerful than you might initially think, it has some 
>> shortcomings if you are looking for a word processing program to write 
>> research papers with footnotes, for example. James Austin has done periodic 
>> reviews of what's available in this regard.  There are other good accessible 
>> word processors -- a free program called Bean is one of them --  which also 
>> fall short in this regard, although they have several nice features.
>> 
>> If you're talking about the most full-featured word-processors you probably 
>> want to consider either Pages, which is Apple's iWork counterpart to 
>> Microsoft Word, or Nisus Writer Pro, which is a third party program that was 
>> recently revamped to version 2, and now is in a 2.1 release. Both these 
>> programs can be separately purchased from the Mac App Store (Pages for 
>> $19.99 and Nisus Writer Pro for $79.99).
>> 
>> There are several people on list who can give you a more detailed evaluation 
>> of these products, and Nisus Writer Pro, in particular, has many 
>> enthusiastic users in its new incarnation.  I'll point you to an post I 
>> wrote back in June in reply to Lynne's query about whether the new version 
>> was worth getting:
>> • Re: Nisus Writer Pro; Query
>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2011-June/013619.html
>> 
>> That post summarizes an extensive review of the product in TidBITS, and 
>> excerpts key bits.  The bottom line was that the writer considered it to be 
>> an overall superior experience to using either Microsoft Word or Pages for 
>> word processing, but he also made some very detailed comments about topics 
>> like degree of compatibility with Word documents handed back and forth 
>> between the two programs (mixed experience: both pluses and minuses.)
>> 
>> Anne is probably the most expert user of Pages on this list.  The current 
>> version is Pages '09, and is overdue for an upgrade. My guess is that this 
>> has been running late because it is being written to take advantage of the 
>> changes that have been made in both Mac OS X and iOS on devices like the 
>> iPad. This is true for the entire iWork suite (with counterparts to Excel, 
>> Word, and Powerpoint in Numbers, Pages, and Keynote).  But this is certainly 
>> another viable alternative.
>> 
>> One of 

Re: Text editor

2011-11-11 Thread Koji Matsuda (Verizon)

Wow, Ester,
that was a very informative email.  Thank you.  I fell in love with iPhone 
about a year ago, and now I am thinking about getting a laptop of some kind 
made by Apple.  I was curious about Pages and it was great to know that 
there are users out there to share. I was wondering whether to buy Pages for 
my iPhone, and your info wasn'tnecessarily for the iOS, but again it was 
very informative and I appreciate people like you who are willing to spend 
time explaining things in detail.


Koji

--
From: "Esther" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:14 PM
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Subject: Re: Text editor


Hi Catherine,

TextEdit does let you print results, and you can open Word documents that 
are sent to you in this program.  However, while it is easy to use, and 
actually more powerful than you might initially think, it has some 
shortcomings if you are looking for a word processing program to write 
research papers with footnotes, for example. James Austin has done 
periodic reviews of what's available in this regard.  There are other good 
accessible word processors -- a free program called Bean is one of them --  
which also fall short in this regard, although they have several nice 
features.


If you're talking about the most full-featured word-processors you 
probably want to consider either Pages, which is Apple's iWork counterpart 
to Microsoft Word, or Nisus Writer Pro, which is a third party program 
that was recently revamped to version 2, and now is in a 2.1 release. 
Both these programs can be separately purchased from the Mac App Store 
(Pages for $19.99 and Nisus Writer Pro for $79.99).


There are several people on list who can give you a more detailed 
evaluation of these products, and Nisus Writer Pro, in particular, has 
many enthusiastic users in its new incarnation.  I'll point you to an post 
I wrote back in June in reply to Lynne's query about whether the new 
version was worth getting:

• Re: Nisus Writer Pro; Query
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2011-June/013619.html

That post summarizes an extensive review of the product in TidBITS, and 
excerpts key bits.  The bottom line was that the writer considered it to 
be an overall superior experience to using either Microsoft Word or Pages 
for word processing, but he also made some very detailed comments about 
topics like degree of compatibility with Word documents handed back and 
forth between the two programs (mixed experience: both pluses and 
minuses.)


Anne is probably the most expert user of Pages on this list.  The current 
version is Pages '09, and is overdue for an upgrade. My guess is that this 
has been running late because it is being written to take advantage of the 
changes that have been made in both Mac OS X and iOS on devices like the 
iPad. This is true for the entire iWork suite (with counterparts to Excel, 
Word, and Powerpoint in Numbers, Pages, and Keynote).  But this is 
certainly another viable alternative.


One of the shortcomings of the Mac App store is that it does not support 
trial downloads -- developers can offer free lite versions of 
applications, but they cannot offer a free application that later requires 
you to pay an extra amount to keep it functional.  So if you want to use a 
trial download, you have to visit the developer's web site directly.


You can download a 15-day free trial version of Nisus Writer Pro from:
http://www.nisus.com/pro/

Apple used to have a trial download page for the iWork suite at:
http://www.apple.com/iwork/download-trial/

I don't know whether that still works.  Now all the apps are separately 
purchasable at the Mac App Store.


There was also a discussion about Nisus Writer Pro vs. Pages on this list 
in July.  You can read through the thread at the secondary Mail Archive 
pages for this list:

• Nisus Writer Pro 2.0 Versus Pages; [Revisited]
http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg00117.html

To read down the thread, use the access key shortcut Control+n to navigate 
to the next post in the thread and Control+p to go to the previous post in 
the thread.  These access key shortcuts work for all browsers on different 
platforms if you substitute the appropriate access key (e.g., for Internet 
Explorer use Alt+n and Alt+p; for Firefox I think it is Alt+Shift+n and 
Alt+Shift+p).  Since we have a new Mac VoiceOver user who is sighted, I 
should mention that if you started Safari without VoiceOver running, then 
the access key combination is Control+Option+n for next and 
Control+Option+p for previous.  But if you started Safari with VoiceOver 
running it is just Control+n and Control+p.


There is one other interesting new app for writing called Scrivener. 
Rather than being focused on the generation of output, it's set up for the 
use of people who write a lot, and want to easily acces

Re: Text editor

2011-11-09 Thread Esther
the web page of the Scrivener 
NaNoWriMo trial page at:
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/nanowrimo.php

If you purchase Scrivener directly from the developer's web page, you can enter 
a coupon code of "NANOWRIMO" (without the quotation marks) to receive a 20% 
discount on the $44.99 price.  Also, if you actually become a winner in the 
National Novel Writing Month competition, you are eligible for a 50% discount 
on Scrivener.

You can also read a review of Scrivener by a VoiceOver user at Austin 
Seraphin's blog:
http://behindthecurtain.us/2011/09/07/scrivener/

As a final comment, for people who write technical papers with math and 
equations, there is a word processing solution with LaTeX that is completely 
accessible through an application called TeXShop, which is freeware. It's very 
powerful, and has excellent multilingual support, but a steep learning curve, 
so it won't be a solution for most people unless they use it a lot. (When I 
tell you that TeX was originally designed to get around the high price of 
mathematics books due to the costs associated with typesetting equations you 
may understand -- TeX can be used to produce publication quality books, and is 
used by some publishers, as well as being a standard for advanced papers in 
some scientific and technical fields.)  While some people, like James Austin, 
find it worthwhile to learn for writing large numbers of (non-mathematical) 
papers at university, that's not the norm.

HTH.  Catherine, apologies for the late reply, but I lost the email that you 
sent me directly yesterday when I was trying to respond, so thanks for writing 
back on list.

Cheers,

Esther


On Nov 9, 2011, at 06:08, Catherine Golding wrote:

> Is Text Editor a complete word processing program from which I can print?
> Do I need to buy IWorks or another document program?
> 
> 
> 
> Catherine Golding
> 
> Olympia, Washington
> 

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2011-11-09 Thread Catherine Golding
Is Text Editor a complete word processing program from which I can print?
Do I need to buy IWorks or another document program?

 

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