Re: Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

2013-10-31 Thread Zachary Kline 
FOr me, just using new view, cmd-option works. :)
Best,
Zack.
On Oct 31, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Chris H  wrote:

> Must be using classic view then. Will check.
> 
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> On 31/10/2013 00:21, Geoff Stephens wrote:
>> For me, in modern view, Command Option arrows work but Option arrows does 
>> not.
>> 
>> On Oct 30, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> For me, both Option plus arrow key and Cmd-Option plus arrow key take me to 
>> the top or bottom of the message table in Mavericks and always in the same 
>> column. The commands also both work for me when not interacting with the 
>> table. I’m in classic view.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> On 30 Oct 2013, at 14:53, Dónal Fitzpatrick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry Bryan I’m wrong; it does stay in the same column.  Not sure what I 
>>> hit the first time.  Apologies for any confusion.
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> On 30 Oct 2013, at 13:47, Bryan Jones  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are 
 now initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?
 
 I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
 others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the 
 Option+up/down arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the 
 Mail message list. However, I am now able to instead perform this jump 
 using the Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in 
 both standard and classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column 
 in classic view. This keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the 
 previous Tiger - SL versions did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry 
 Esther, as far as I can tell it does not seem to recognize threads in any 
 way.
 
 This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all 
 software updates.
 
 Cheers,
 Bryan
 
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> From: Bryan Jones 
> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
> Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
> 
> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
> ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom 
> message rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app
 
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Re: Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

2013-10-31 Thread Chris H 

Must be using classic view then. Will check.

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On 31/10/2013 00:21, Geoff Stephens wrote:

For me, in modern view, Command Option arrows work but Option arrows does not.

On Oct 30, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

For me, both Option plus arrow key and Cmd-Option plus arrow key take me to the 
top or bottom of the message table in Mavericks and always in the same column. 
The commands also both work for me when not interacting with the table. I’m in 
classic view.


Cheers,

Anne

On 30 Oct 2013, at 14:53, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:


Sorry Bryan I’m wrong; it does stay in the same column.  Not sure what I hit 
the first time.  Apologies for any confusion.

Dónal
On 30 Oct 2013, at 13:47, Bryan Jones  wrote:


Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are now 
initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?

I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the Option+up/down 
arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the Mail message list. 
However, I am now able to instead perform this jump using the 
Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in both standard and 
classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column in classic view. This 
keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the previous Tiger - SL versions 
did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry Esther, as far as I can tell it does 
not seem to recognize threads in any way.

This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all software 
updates.

Cheers,
Bryan

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From: Bryan Jones 
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 

Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability 
to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in 
Mavericks’ Mail.app


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Re: Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

2013-10-30 Thread Geoff Stephens 
For me, in modern view, Command Option arrows work but Option arrows does not.

On Oct 30, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

For me, both Option plus arrow key and Cmd-Option plus arrow key take me to the 
top or bottom of the message table in Mavericks and always in the same column. 
The commands also both work for me when not interacting with the table. I’m in 
classic view.


Cheers,

Anne

On 30 Oct 2013, at 14:53, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Sorry Bryan I’m wrong; it does stay in the same column.  Not sure what I hit 
> the first time.  Apologies for any confusion.
> 
> Dónal
> On 30 Oct 2013, at 13:47, Bryan Jones  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are now 
>> initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?
>> 
>> I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
>> others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the Option+up/down 
>> arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the Mail message 
>> list. However, I am now able to instead perform this jump using the 
>> Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in both standard 
>> and classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column in classic view. 
>> This keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the previous Tiger - SL 
>> versions did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry Esther, as far as I can 
>> tell it does not seem to recognize threads in any way.
>> 
>> This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all software 
>> updates.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Bryan  
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Bryan Jones 
>>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>>> Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>>> 
>>> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
>>> ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message 
>>> rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app
>> 
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Re: Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

2013-10-30 Thread Chris H 

Option up and down works for me on a Macbook Pro running Mavericks.

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On 30/10/2013 13:47, Bryan Jones wrote:

Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are now 
initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?

I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the Option+up/down 
arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the Mail message list. 
However, I am now able to instead perform this jump using the 
Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in both standard and 
classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column in classic view. This 
keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the previous Tiger - SL versions 
did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry Esther, as far as I can tell it does 
not seem to recognize threads in any way.

This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all software 
updates.

Cheers,
Bryan

Begin forwarded message:


From: Bryan Jones 
Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 

Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability 
to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in 
Mavericks’ Mail.app


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Re: Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

2013-10-30 Thread Anne Robertson 
For me, both Option plus arrow key and Cmd-Option plus arrow key take me to the 
top or bottom of the message table in Mavericks and always in the same column. 
The commands also both work for me when not interacting with the table. I’m in 
classic view.


Cheers,

Anne

On 30 Oct 2013, at 14:53, Dónal Fitzpatrick  wrote:

> Sorry Bryan I’m wrong; it does stay in the same column.  Not sure what I hit 
> the first time.  Apologies for any confusion.
> 
> Dónal
> On 30 Oct 2013, at 13:47, Bryan Jones  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are now 
>> initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?
>> 
>> I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
>> others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the Option+up/down 
>> arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the Mail message 
>> list. However, I am now able to instead perform this jump using the 
>> Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in both standard 
>> and classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column in classic view. 
>> This keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the previous Tiger - SL 
>> versions did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry Esther, as far as I can 
>> tell it does not seem to recognize threads in any way.
>> 
>> This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all software 
>> updates.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Bryan  
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Bryan Jones 
>>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>>> Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>>> 
>>> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
>>> ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message 
>>> rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app
>> 
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Re: Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

2013-10-30 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick 
Sorry Bryan I’m wrong; it does stay in the same column.  Not sure what I hit 
the first time.  Apologies for any confusion.

Dónal
On 30 Oct 2013, at 13:47, Bryan Jones  wrote:

> Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are now 
> initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?
> 
> I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
> others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the Option+up/down 
> arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the Mail message list. 
> However, I am now able to instead perform this jump using the 
> Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in both standard 
> and classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column in classic view. 
> This keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the previous Tiger - SL 
> versions did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry Esther, as far as I can 
> tell it does not seem to recognize threads in any way.
> 
> This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all software 
> updates.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bryan  
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Bryan Jones 
>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>> 
>> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
>> ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message 
>> rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app
> 
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Re: Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

2013-10-30 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick 
Hi Bryan,

This is the case for me.  I note however that the cmd-option-(arrow) does go to 
top/bottom, but it changes column for me.  In other words, if we assume an NXM 
table, then this keystroke either puts me in row 1 col 1 or row n col. m.

Cheers,

Dónal
On 30 Oct 2013, at 13:47, Bryan Jones  wrote:

> Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are now 
> initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?
> 
> I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
> others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the Option+up/down 
> arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the Mail message list. 
> However, I am now able to instead perform this jump using the 
> Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in both standard 
> and classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column in classic view. 
> This keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the previous Tiger - SL 
> versions did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry Esther, as far as I can 
> tell it does not seem to recognize threads in any way.
> 
> This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all software 
> updates.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bryan  
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Bryan Jones 
>> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
>> Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
>> 
>> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the 
>> ability to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message 
>> rows in Mavericks’ Mail.app
> 
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Update: Jump to top / bottom of column in Mavericks Mail message list

2013-10-30 Thread Bryan Jones 
Hi Folks — Can anyone verify that Command+Option+up/down arrow keys are now 
initiating the jump to top/bottom of a message list in Mavericks Mail?

I finally got around to installing the public release of Mavericks and, as 
others have mentioned, found I was no longer able to use the Option+up/down 
arrow keys to jump to the top or bottom of a column in the Mail message list. 
However, I am now able to instead perform this jump using the 
Command+Option+up/down arrow keys. This is working for me in both standard and 
classic mail views, and leaves focus in the same column in classic view. This 
keystroke does not require waiting a moment as the previous Tiger - SL versions 
did. The jump happens immediately. Sorry Esther, as far as I can tell it does 
not seem to recognize threads in any way.

This is on a 2011 MBA running the latest Mavericks release with all software 
updates.

Cheers,
Bryan  

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bryan Jones 
> Subject: Re: OS X Mavricks, Wait a bit
> Date: October 22, 2013 at 6:11:41 PM EDT
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
> 
> Call me easy to please, but I am thrilled that they’ve reinstated the ability 
> to use the Option+Up/Down arrows to move to top and bottom message rows in 
> Mavericks’ Mail.app

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