MacGroup: Cable/DSL Router
I'll put in a plug for the various router reviews that my employer publishes: http://reviews.cnet.com/Networking/4502-3319_7-0.html If your friend has plans on using the router to also connect to a company network (ie., a VPN or Virtual Private Network) you should check with the IT department for that company. Some of the older and less expensive routers can have problems handling various VPN protocols, like IPsec. I had to replace my router last year for that very reason, because my employer switched to an IPsec solution that wasn't supported by the cheap little router I had. --- Rex. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu] On Behalf Of Beth Ernst Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 12:19 PM To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Subject: MacGroup: Cable/DSL Router I haven't had any experience with cable or DSL but a co-worker is wanting to hook up their Mac and PC at home using DSL. They were told that they would need to get a router and they are asking me for help. They found two on the internet, Asante FR1004 4 port router and a D-Link DL-604 4 port router. Does anyone have any experience with either of these and a Mac? Or any other suggestions? -- Thanks, Beth Fastline Publications Inc. DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, (i) please do not read or disclose to others, (ii) please notify the sender by reply mail, and (iii) please delete this communication from your system. Failure to follow this process may be unlawful. Thank you for your cooperation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/89b5db1a/attachment.html
MacGroup: iPod-Bose
A friend of mine got the Bose unit and is extremely happy with it. I also have been a fan of Bose speakers for years. While they aren't cheap, they are quality built and have great sound. Also, one of the few things still made in the USA. -Stuart As an asside...I actually visited the Bose factory years and years ago and got a active EQ for the Bose 901 speakers I had at the time. CD technology was very new. I asked one of the engineers if they thought that CDs would ever be able to be used in walkman-type units. He said that it wasn't possible. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be November 23. The LCS Web page is http://www.kymac.org. | List posting address: mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu | List Web page: http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup
MacGroup: wireless mouse [faked-from]
I had a similar question, but after pricing them, I ended up going with one that is not wireless, but very compact and a heckuva lot cheaper than the mac bluetooth wireless mouse...iogear model gme222 is a usb mini mouse; can't remember the cost, but what I saved on a wireless model enabled me to afford a separate numeric keypad for my powerbook that has 2 usb ports where the usb mouse something else can plug into... -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1706 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/368c29bf/attachment.bin
MacGroup: The Apple Product Cycle
On Nov 15, 2004, at 11:43, Jerry Yeager wrote: For those of you that follow this type of thing, you might see some humor in this... :^) http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/ Classic. Bill -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2373 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/8863ebad/attachment.bin
MacGroup: Cable/DSL Router
Another option is a wireless router; such as Apple's Airport. Worth getting now if they think they would use it. Netgear, D-Link, Linksys also sell such things, cheaper than Airport. I doubt that a router would have any mac-specific problems. All the major network manufacturers make them. I'd normally recommend Linksys or Netgear, the Linksys BEFSR41 looks like the thing to get. Amazon have it for 50 dollars. I'd avoid Asante simply because I've not heard of them. D-Link are the third name in consumer networking, so getting that is fine. Hen On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Beth Ernst wrote: I haven?t had any experience with cable or DSL but a co-worker is wanting to hook up their Mac and PC at home using DSL. They were told that they would need to get a router and they are asking me for help. They found two on the internet, Asante FR1004 4 port router and a D-Link DL-604 4 port router. Does anyone have any experience with either of these and a Mac? Or any other suggestions? -- Thanks, Beth Fastline Publications Inc. DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, (i) please do not read or disclose to others, (ii) please notify the sender by reply mail, and (iii) please delete this communication from your system. Failure to follow this process may be unlawful. Thank you for your cooperation.
MacGroup: Gates vs. Jobs: The rematch
NY Times had an article about the looming battle for the online/portable music biz between Microsoft and Apple. How it kinda mirrors the earlier battle a couple decades ago for desktop computers, which Apple lost to Microsoft. It's reprinted on News.com if you don't want to fuss with a nytimes.com login: http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5452014.html I'm hoping MS loses this time around, but Apple's gonna have to be very very nimble to pull this off. --- Rex. | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be November 23. The LCS Web page is http://www.kymac.org. | List posting address: mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu | List Web page: http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup
MacGroup: The Apple Product Cycle
For those of you that follow this type of thing, you might see some humor in this... :^) http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/ Jerry --- Someday, I will come up with a clever signature line. I am not sure if I will use it or not, but I will come up with one. | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be November 23. The LCS Web page is http://www.kymac.org. | List posting address: mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu | List Web page: http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup
MacGroup: iPod-Bose
Marta, I don't have the Bose system for the iPod, but I have many of their other products and they are awesome! Great quality, sound that is rich and crisp. They continue to send updates to the Theater systems, they usually offer upgrades as well as the hardware improves. I am a true believer in this company to supply us with great product. John R. On Nov 15, 2004, at 7:54 PM, Marta Edie wrote: Thanks for all your input. I shall consider everything. With christmas just around the corner, we might treat ourselves. I do like so very much the modern design Bose offers. Marta On Nov 15, 2004, at 7:49, Bryan Forrest wrote: Hi Marta - I had the opportunity to play with the Bose system a few weeks ago. It has some nice perks over a pair of speakers. First the sound was excellent. The bass was full, the trebles were clear, midrange didn't get too mushy. All expected when buying a Bose product of course. Second, the system is a charging dock, which external speakers can't do. Third, remote control, again not available with speakers. Some things it didn't have that I would like to see: 1. A button on the remote that immediately flashes back to the clock on the display of the iPod, and then after say five seconds, returns you to the current song 2. Audio in/out cables so I can use the system as a speaker replacement for my television. So, given that, is it worth the $300? It's a toss up. If you want excellent sound and the ability to play your iPod from across the room, it's probably a good deal. If you want additional flexibility, there are other options you might want to consider. The JBL system, while not rated as highly for sound as the Bose, is still a highly rated system, and is $100 less expensive. It does have audio in, but doesn't have a remote. Bose also makes a set of bookshelf computer speakers for about $100. Add to that a belkin wireless remote for iPod and charge it in your dock that came with your pod, and although you don't have a nice slick all-in-one unit, you have most of the functionality of the Bose speaker dock for about half the price. -- Bryan C. Forrest Macintosh Specialist Asst. Network Administrator LifeNet http://www.lifenet.org. On Nov 14, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Marta Edie wrote: Sorry for the typos : hanker and those. Half of the time my fingers don't have the power to push down- old age! Marta Begin forwarded message: From: Marta Edie martaedie at mac.com Date: November 14, 2004 10:01:21 EST To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Subject: Re: MacGroup: iPod-Bose Reply-To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Thanks, Rex, why do I always anker toward hose expensive items? I just loved the design. Marta cat and Mac.JPG On Nov 14, 2004, at 9:53, Rex Baldazo wrote: I was in Cincinnatti a couple weekends ago and saw/heard the Bose dock at the Apple Store.? It's hard to tell, given all the ambient noise you have in a mall location, but the Bose did seem pretty good.? And yes, it was fabulously expensive--$300. ? I'm not sure that is worth the money, when a decent set of PC speakers like the Logitech Z-3i can be had for just $99: ? http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/ EN,CRID=2,CONTENTID=8545 ? Won't be as pretty to look at as the Bose, but you'll have saved $200. ? --- Rex. From: owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu [mailto:owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu] On Behalf Of Marta Edie Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:43 AM To: MacUser Group MacUserGroup Subject: MacGroup: iPod-Bose In the last issue of Macworld is shown an iPod cradle and player made by Bose,called Sound dock. It looks very modern and sleek. Has anybody seen it and/or heard the quality of sound? How does it stack up with the other iPod cradles? I am sure it is a lot more expensive. Marta -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 4274 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/0c89af69/attachment.bin
MacGroup: iPod-Bose
Hi Marta - I had the opportunity to play with the Bose system a few weeks ago. It has some nice perks over a pair of speakers. First the sound was excellent. The bass was full, the trebles were clear, midrange didn't get too mushy. All expected when buying a Bose product of course. Second, the system is a charging dock, which external speakers can't do. Third, remote control, again not available with speakers. Some things it didn't have that I would like to see: 1. A button on the remote that immediately flashes back to the clock on the display of the iPod, and then after say five seconds, returns you to the current song 2. Audio in/out cables so I can use the system as a speaker replacement for my television. So, given that, is it worth the $300? It's a toss up. If you want excellent sound and the ability to play your iPod from across the room, it's probably a good deal. If you want additional flexibility, there are other options you might want to consider. The JBL system, while not rated as highly for sound as the Bose, is still a highly rated system, and is $100 less expensive. It does have audio in, but doesn't have a remote. Bose also makes a set of bookshelf computer speakers for about $100. Add to that a belkin wireless remote for iPod and charge it in your dock that came with your pod, and although you don't have a nice slick all-in-one unit, you have most of the functionality of the Bose speaker dock for about half the price. -- Bryan C. Forrest Macintosh Specialist Asst. Network Administrator LifeNet http://www.lifenet.org. On Nov 14, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Marta Edie wrote: Sorry for the typos : hanker and those. Half of the time my fingers don't have the power to push down- old age! Marta Begin forwarded message: From: Marta Edie martaedie at mac.com Date: November 14, 2004 10:01:21 EST To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Subject: Re: MacGroup: iPod-Bose Reply-To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Thanks, Rex, why do I always anker toward hose expensive items? I just loved the design. Marta cat and Mac.JPG On Nov 14, 2004, at 9:53, Rex Baldazo wrote: I was in Cincinnatti a couple weekends ago and saw/heard the Bose dock at the Apple Store.? It's hard to tell, given all the ambient noise you have in a mall location, but the Bose did seem pretty good.? And yes, it was fabulously expensive--$300. ? I'm not sure that is worth the money, when a decent set of PC speakers like the Logitech Z-3i can be had for just $99: ? http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/ EN,CRID=2,CONTENTID=8545 ? Won't be as pretty to look at as the Bose, but you'll have saved $200. ? --- Rex. From: owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu [mailto:owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu] On Behalf Of Marta Edie Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:43 AM To: MacUser Group MacUserGroup Subject: MacGroup: iPod-Bose In the last issue of Macworld is shown an iPod cradle and player made by Bose,called Sound dock. It looks very modern and sleek. Has anybody seen it and/or heard the quality of sound? How does it stack up with the other iPod cradles? I am sure it is a lot more expensive. Marta -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3617 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/91c04e30/attachment.bin
MacGroup: Cable/DSL Router
It does sound like her friend is hooking up at least two computers so a router is most likely going to be the easiest way to do this on a home system. You are right Harry, it can be done, but it is a pain in the neck. Her friend will still need a cable / dsl modem. I might suggest that your friend do the following: Instead of getting a four port router, get a one port router and then a gizmo called called a multi-port switch. It will be hooked up like this: internet ++ (cable/dsl) modem == router == switch computer one computer two printer one printer two other stuff if you want it. more other stuff (a four port router that you see being listed is really a one port router with a four port switch connected to it, all in one box). If you get a separate switch (these come in four, eight, 16, 32, etc. available port connections) so you can add computers and printers and other stuff as you wish, not being limited to just three other gizmos on the router box AND (this is the important part, the reason to use a separate switch) the devices can see each other really easily (without having to cross over sub-network ID numbers -- even with whatever Apple has renamed Rendezvous into this can be tricky) AND you can use 10/100/1000 speed switches if you wish -- this speeds up your LAN considerably. The one port router can usually handle over 100 computers connecting to the internet at once (true it is slow because the max speed is 10Mb) so just plug in a switch and go. Note: if you need the more oomph than that, a Cisco router system can be installed, but that is waaay beyond the scope of the original question. Jerry On Nov 15, 2004, at 10:05 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer wrote: I really like my Linksys Wireless, four port router. But if your friend is only hooking up ONE computer to the network, I don't believe she/he needs a router. S/he does not either a cable or dsl modem. Harry Monday, November 15, 200412:18 PMBeth Ernstbernst at fastline.com I haven1t had any experience with cable or DSL but a co-worker is wanting to hook up their Mac and PC at home using DSL. They were told that they would need to get a router and they are asking me for help. They found two on the internet, Asante FR1004 4 port router and a D-Link DL-604 4 port router. Does anyone have any experience with either of these and a Mac? Or any other suggestions? -- Thanks, Beth Fastline Publications Inc. DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, (i) please do not read or disclose to others, (ii) please notify the sender by reply mail, and (iii) please delete this communication from your system. Failure to follow this process may be unlawful. Thank you for your cooperation. | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be November 23. The LCS Web page is http://www.kymac.org. | List posting address: mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu | List Web page: http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup --- Someday, I will come up with a clever signature line. I am not sure if I will use it or not, but I will come up with one. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3431 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/eed4cce6/attachment.bin
MacGroup: iPod-Bose
Thanks for all your input. I shall consider everything. With christmas just around the corner, we might treat ourselves. I do like so very much the modern design Bose offers. Marta On Nov 15, 2004, at 7:49, Bryan Forrest wrote: Hi Marta - I had the opportunity to play with the Bose system a few weeks ago. It has some nice perks over a pair of speakers. First the sound was excellent. The bass was full, the trebles were clear, midrange didn't get too mushy. All expected when buying a Bose product of course. Second, the system is a charging dock, which external speakers can't do. Third, remote control, again not available with speakers. Some things it didn't have that I would like to see: 1. A button on the remote that immediately flashes back to the clock on the display of the iPod, and then after say five seconds, returns you to the current song 2. Audio in/out cables so I can use the system as a speaker replacement for my television. So, given that, is it worth the $300? It's a toss up. If you want excellent sound and the ability to play your iPod from across the room, it's probably a good deal. If you want additional flexibility, there are other options you might want to consider. The JBL system, while not rated as highly for sound as the Bose, is still a highly rated system, and is $100 less expensive. It does have audio in, but doesn't have a remote. Bose also makes a set of bookshelf computer speakers for about $100. Add to that a belkin wireless remote for iPod and charge it in your dock that came with your pod, and although you don't have a nice slick all-in-one unit, you have most of the functionality of the Bose speaker dock for about half the price. -- Bryan C. Forrest Macintosh Specialist Asst. Network Administrator LifeNet http://www.lifenet.org. On Nov 14, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Marta Edie wrote: Sorry for the typos : hanker and those. Half of the time my fingers don't have the power to push down- old age! Marta Begin forwarded message: From: Marta Edie martaedie at mac.com Date: November 14, 2004 10:01:21 EST To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Subject: Re: MacGroup: iPod-Bose Reply-To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Thanks, Rex, why do I always anker toward hose expensive items? I just loved the design. Marta cat and Mac.JPG On Nov 14, 2004, at 9:53, Rex Baldazo wrote: I was in Cincinnatti a couple weekends ago and saw/heard the Bose dock at the Apple Store.? It's hard to tell, given all the ambient noise you have in a mall location, but the Bose did seem pretty good.? And yes, it was fabulously expensive--$300. ? I'm not sure that is worth the money, when a decent set of PC speakers like the Logitech Z-3i can be had for just $99: ? http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/ EN,CRID=2,CONTENTID=8545 ? Won't be as pretty to look at as the Bose, but you'll have saved $200. ? --- Rex. From: owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu [mailto:owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu] On Behalf Of Marta Edie Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 9:43 AM To: MacUser Group MacUserGroup Subject: MacGroup: iPod-Bose In the last issue of Macworld is shown an iPod cradle and player made by Bose,called Sound dock. It looks very modern and sleek. Has anybody seen it and/or heard the quality of sound? How does it stack up with the other iPod cradles? I am sure it is a lot more expensive. Marta -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 3961 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/ba51e8e0/attachment.bin
MacGroup: Cable/DSL Router
Well the easy way is to just use the DSL modem to an airport express. Then just use cards in both computers. The AX has a good signal strength I have a wireless 2wire router from bellsouth. I found I could get a stronger signal using the AX. All I had to do was take the Cat 5 cable into the AX and off you go. It has a great range my father in law next door to me uses my AX on his new iMac. On Nov 15, 2004, at 12:18 PM, Beth Ernst wrote: I haven?t had any experience with cable or DSL but a co-worker is wanting to hook up their Mac and PC at home using DSL. They were told that they would need to get a router and they are asking me for help. They found two on the internet, Asante FR1004 4 port router and a D-Link DL-604 4 port router. Does anyone have any experience with either of these and a Mac? Or any other suggestions? -- Thanks, Beth Fastline Publications Inc.?DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, (i) please do not read or disclose to others, (ii) please notify the sender by reply mail, and (iii) please delete this communication from your system. Failure to follow this process may be unlawful. Thank you for your cooperation. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 1777 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/9a0e1288/attachment.bin
MacGroup: The Apple Product Cycle
4 hoots on a 5 hoot scale. From: Jerry Yeager jerry at browseryshop.com Reply-To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:43:07 -0500 To: macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu Subject: MacGroup: The Apple Product Cycle For those of you that follow this type of thing, you might see some humor in this... :^) http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/ Jerry | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be November 23. The LCS Web page is http://www.kymac.org. | List posting address: mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu | List Web page: http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup
MacGroup: Cable/DSL Router
I've used Linksys wired in the past and am currently running Netgear wireless on a mixed-platform network and have had good results with both. I would, however, warn you away from 3Com/USR; I intended to upgrade my network from 802.11b to the faster 802.11g protocol, only to find out that their router didn't support Appletalk, which made it almost impossible to print from my Classic apps. Now, if anybody here doesn't need Appletalk for anything and would like that router real cheap, I still have it, as well as the wired Linksys. Asante and D-Link should work as well. I haven't had any experience with cable or DSL but a co-worker is wanting to hook up their Mac and PC at home using DSL. They were told that they would need to get a router and they are asking me for help. They found two on the internet, Asante FR1004 4 port router and a D-Link DL-604 4 port router. Does anyone have any experience with either of these and a Mac? Or any other suggestions? -- Thanks, Beth Fastline Publications Inc. DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, (i) please do not read or disclose to others, (ii) please notify the sender by reply mail, and (iii) please delete this communication from your system. Failure to follow this process may be unlawful. Thank you for your cooperation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/f42eab2c/attachment.html
MacGroup: wireless mouse [faked-from]
I did the same with a Logitech usb mini mouse. Very nice, very small, and no batteries to worry about. Hen On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Green, Cathy wrote: I had a similar question, but after pricing them, I ended up going with one that is not wireless, but very compact and a heckuva lot cheaper than the mac bluetooth wireless mouse...iogear model gme222 is a usb mini mouse; can't remember the cost, but what I saved on a wireless model enabled me to afford a separate numeric keypad for my powerbook that has 2 usb ports where the usb mouse something else can plug into... | The next meeting of the Louisville Computer Society will | be November 23. The LCS Web page is http://www.kymac.org. | List posting address: mailto:macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu | List Web page: http://erdos.math.louisville.edu/macgroup
MacGroup: Cable/DSL Router
I haven?t had any experience with cable or DSL but a co-worker is wanting to hook up their Mac and PC at home using DSL. They were told that they would need to get a router and they are asking me for help. They found two on the internet, Asante FR1004 4 port router and a D-Link DL-604 4 port router. Does anyone have any experience with either of these and a Mac? Or any other suggestions? -- Thanks, Beth Fastline Publications Inc. DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, (i) please do not read or disclose to others, (ii) please notify the sender by reply mail, and (iii) please delete this communication from your system. Failure to follow this process may be unlawful. Thank you for your cooperation. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.math.louisville.edu/pipermail/macgroup/attachments/20041115/b5dc7957/attachment.html
