Re: searching cpan with Chimera (was Re: Sherlock SDK released)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Wheeler) wrote: In the location bar. If I understood Ken's post, that's what Omniweb does, and IIRC, Mozilla can do this, too. Yes, I do it in Mozilla. I make a bookmark for the CPAN with this URL: http://search.cpan.org/search?query=%smode=all I then enter cpan in the keyword field for that bookmark's Properties window, and then I can type: cpan Mac::Carbon in the location field. -- Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://pudge.net/ Open Source Development Network[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://osdn.com/
Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox)
Well, I for one, use Maya from SGI|Alias|Waefront - and it doesn;t support 10.2 - there are a number of dialog boxen which get very screwed up by it. Are there any other packages which work under 10.1- not in 10.2+ ? Certainly some of the shareware stuff like fruitmenu windowshade have different versions... From a developer's view are there any commonly known gotchas to look for? On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 05:44 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote: -- From: Phil Dobbin[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 5:44:56 PM To: David Wheeler; Ken Williams Cc: Rich Morin; Mac OS X Perl Subject: Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox) Auto forwarded by a Rule On 14/11/02 1:05, David Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, November 13, 2002, at 04:27 PM, Ken Williams wrote: 2) High-end users who are dying to switch, but need to wait until their software is properly supported, or until they can properly do a massive switchover of technologies in their business You can probably blame Quark for about 90% of this. They're *really* far behind updating QuarkXPress to Mac OS X, and they still pretty well own the professional design layout market. This is especially true here in the U.K. The overwhelming majority of Mac users here are in the design/bureaux/newspaper business and won't touch OS X with a bargepole exclusively because of Quark. There are hopes that OS X may eat into the Oracle/Unix/db market but it's a *very* long shot. Local Perl Monger groups are reporting lay offs and the vast majority of _them_ are Windoze users. Switch, whether from Mac OS 9 or Win32, definitely ain't happening here :-( Regards, Phil.
Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Heather Madrone) wrote: At 09:45 PM 11/14/2002 -0500, Kee Hinckley wrote: Two possibilities. 1. You're used to some version of make which does cpan installs? sudo perl -MCPAN -e shell install xxx I'm used to ActivePerl's ppm, which looks and feels a lot like ftp. No need to make anything. Unix-style makefiles are not common on Windows these days. In fairness, this is because Windows developers/users essentially gave up trying to get stuff to build, and instead distribute prebuilt binaries. We've not yet gotten to that point on Mac OS X, because for the most part, as long as you have the most recent developer tools, it Just Works. More to the point though, if you haven't installed the developer package, you don't have a make at all--that may be your problem. Which developer package would that be? The Developer Tools CD. It comes with standalone copies of Mac OS X, as well as most pro line computers (including the PowerBook). If you don't have it, check /Applications/Installers/. Also, look to http://connect.apple.com/ and get a free ADC account, so you can download all the latest Developer Tools disk images when they are released. I understand part of your frustration, but as far as development goes (sorry, not much that I know of that can be done about network disks not cleanly unmounting; I have similar problems that I learn to deal with in various ways ... sometimes force-relaunching the Finder helps, sometimes not), if you stick with it, I think you'll find it in the end to be more rewarding than Microsoft (unless you really like the GUI development tools that are more scarce on Mac OS X). Good luck, -- Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://pudge.net/ Open Source Development Network[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://osdn.com/
Re: OS X Installed numbers (Was Re: mac-toolbox)
At 7:58 -0500 15/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I for one, use Maya from SGI|Alias|Waefront - and it doesn;t support 10.2 - there are a number of dialog boxen which get very screwed up by it. Are there any other packages which work under 10.1- not in 10.2+ ? Yes, there have been quite a number of programs with problems under 10.2, I don't have any particular gotchas, but lots of programs required updating for 10.2. Enjoy, Peter. -- http://www.interarchy.com/ http://download.interarchy.com/
Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))
On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 02:05 AM, Heather Madrone wrote: More to the point though, if you haven't installed the developer package, you don't have a make at all--that may be your problem. Which developer package would that be? As others have mentioned, it is the Developer Tools CD. You cannot build any code on Mac OS X without it. It is the same as with Solaris -- the shipped OS is intended for end users only, programmers must install all of the necessary make tools independently. It creates a Directory: /Developer which contains a wide variety of tools, documentation and examples. Mac OS X Development is keyed around a tool called Project Builder -- an Object Oriented tool. From the little I know of Windows development, there is nothing like it even under the C# world which comes closest to it. Unix has had similar commercial development tools (often called CASE tools), but sadly, virtually nobody uses them, that's why the concept of Object Orient Programming is so foreign to Unix people. There is no Open Source equivalent. If you want to develop multi-platform, you need to use an environment like Code Warrior. If you want to develop for Unix(tm), I would recommend using a platform like Tru64 Unix, as it will teach you what Standards really mean. Just because it was developed and runs on Sun, usually means it won't run anywhere else. AND your code really will be 64-bit clean. (Actually the latest version of AIX is probably, finally, forces 64-bit clean also. Solaris and HP-UX still have a release or two to go. IRIX is also, but nobody uses IRIX anymore than they use Tru64... sigh.) But once you understand the Unix Standards and understand how BSD deviates from them, OS X is undoubtedly the most user-friendly (and secure) unbranded version of Unix(tm) floating around today. I've been playing with Unix since the 70s on hardware from PDPs to Univac 1100s and aside from the OSF/1 version (Tru64, Unix) have not found any other Unix even half as good as OS X. Especially now that the personal productivity applications exist so that I don't need two boxes for daily use. There is a CD available from BSD Mall (www.bsdmall.com) which contains a bunch of Unix Utilities for OS X -- mainly pre-compiled versions of Xfree, OroborOSX, Open Office, Gimp and similar tools -- if you want instant gratification, instead of building them yourself. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Darwin darwin or darwin6.0
What is the official name of the operating system under MacOS neXt? Where does perl get it? I need it so that I can write perl and shell scripts that can be tested on a Mac and then run under Solaris. I solicit comments on the most reliable way to keep things working at least until next week. From Terminal or a BBEdit window: echo $OSTYPE darwin From within a cron job: echo $OSTYPE $HOME/bin/cronlog darwin6.0 uname $HOME/bin/cronlog Darwin From perl executed from terminal: print $^0 -- darwin From perl executed from cron: print $^0 -- darwin From a BBEdit worksheet or from terminal: perl -e 'print `uname`;' Darwin Using bash: if [ $(uname) = Darwin ] ; then works. Note the capital D. It fails with darwin. -- Applescript syntax is like English spelling: Roughly, but not thoroughly, thought through.
RE: deprecated?
deprecated is a general word for any programming language, OS, etc. that indicates that a particular functionality is no longer suggested for new use but that it will still work for indeterminate amount of time, and that at some point in the future it will no longer work. In the case of arrays, the one time I have seen it is when using if(defined(@array)) which is the same as just saying if(@array) and taking the scalar as true or false. This is deprecated because the second method is preferable anyways, but it still works everywhere that warnings or strict is not on. To which particular instance were your referring? http://danconia.org On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:45:00 -0500, Deshazer, Earl (GEAE) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does the word deprecated mean as it relates to an array or hash. I have gotten this error before and I don't know how to correct it. Thanks. William DeShazer
Re: locale in carbon emacs (was: OS X Installed numbers (was: mac-toolbox))
At 10:36 AM -0500 11/15/02, William H. Magill wrote: If you want to develop for Unix(tm), I would recommend using a platform like Tru64 Unix, as it will teach you what Standards really mean. Just because it was developed and runs on Sun, usually means it won't run anywhere else. AND Not to start a battle. But standards (especially in the Unix space) have never mattered as much as market share. And I've served on my share of standards boards. The main issue is that they seldom specify enough to do anything useful. By the time it's a standard everyone's already using some new technology that isn't a standard yet--and is implemented differently on different platforms. I think one of the big benefits of Open Source has been the resulting defacto standardization of Unix. Sure, you could implement a different variation of the same technology--but why bother. I do all my Unix development on my Powerbook. It's been a god-send. I can work anywhere, and I get the Mac GUI side of things that I've been using for years, along with all the Unix stuff I've been using for even longer. Currently, most of my code ends up actually deployed on Linux or FreeBSD systems. Although I intended to migrate my Linux servers to MacOS X eventually--it's just much easier to keep upgraded and backed up. -- Kee Hinckley - Somewhere.Com, LLC http://consulting.somewhere.com/ I'm not sure which upsets me more; that people are so unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions, or that they are so eager to regulate everyone else's.
RE: deprecated?
I believe that you hit it on the head. The most recent instance that I have seen it is in a file called MONLIB.pm, which someone else wrote (although I have done the same thing). So you answered my question. Thanks for your help. William -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wiggins;danconia.org] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:50 PM To: Deshazer, Earl (GEAE); '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: deprecated? deprecated is a general word for any programming language, OS, etc. that indicates that a particular functionality is no longer suggested for new use but that it will still work for indeterminate amount of time, and that at some point in the future it will no longer work. In the case of arrays, the one time I have seen it is when using if(defined(@array)) which is the same as just saying if(@array) and taking the scalar as true or false. This is deprecated because the second method is preferable anyways, but it still works everywhere that warnings or strict is not on. To which particular instance were your referring? http://danconia.org On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:45:00 -0500, Deshazer, Earl (GEAE) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what does the word deprecated mean as it relates to an array or hash. I have gotten this error before and I don't know how to correct it. Thanks. William DeShazer
Re: Darwin darwin or darwin6.0
In article p05100307b9fad2141fb6@[192.168.1.14], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug McNutt) wrote: What is the official name of the operating system under MacOS neXt? darwin. Where does perl get it? Lowercase uname, same as most (but not all) OSes. -- Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://pudge.net/ Open Source Development Network[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://osdn.com/
