Re: PerlTK's -clipboardAppend in OSX...?
There are lots of solutions here, but none of them are built into TK, nor can they be. If you want your program to interface with an environment other than the one TK is running ni, it's up to you to make the links. I believe you are asserting here that, PerlTK can not (or should not) concern itself with individual platform issues to which it is ported. I respectfully do not agree. Additionally I notice the developers of PerlTK do not agree. For example, they appear to have made many accommodations for Microsoft Windows. I draw your attention to the Tk-804.027 source files in the directory Tk-804.027/pTk/mTK/win. Take a look at the tkWinPort.h header file in that directory. The PerlTK developers make calls to Windows DLL's, they might want to make a call to OSX libs to make all PerlTK's features work more seamlessly with the native GUI. The developers seem to have lumped OSX into the same category as Unix/X. This is perhaps not the correct thing to do. While OSX runs X, it's primary GUI is not X. Making sure all function calls work well in each target environment make PerlTK a more attractive development tool. Standing back and taking the not my responsibility attitude doesn't help the cause. Solving the problem by adding code to each PerlTK program written is not efficient. Regards,
Re: PerlTK's -clipboardAppend in OSX...?
On 2006.5.6, at 07:07 AM, Michael wrote: There are lots of solutions here, but none of them are built into TK, nor can they be. If you want your program to interface with an environment other than the one TK is running ni, it's up to you to make the links. I believe you are asserting here that, PerlTK can not (or should not) concern itself with individual platform issues to which it is ported. I respectfully do not agree. So, do you have some code to start the subproject with? Are you volunteering to lead it? Or maybe to administer the mail list if someone else leads the project? All that aside, the current status is as Jay described, and if you are in a hurry to get something running, CamelBones is available now. Tcl/Tk is also available in a package tuned for Aqua, but I do not know how well the paste buffers are integrated there. But that's also for another mail list. [...]
Re: PerlTK's -clipboardAppend in OSX...?
Jay Savage wrote: On 5/3/06, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Anyone have trouble copying things to the clipboard using PerlTK's -clipboardAppend...? When I use it to put things in the clipboard, I cannot paste the contents into other OSX apps like Textedit. The Paste option is available in the application, however no data appears when one pastes. Correct. Quartz and X11 have different (actually, at least 3) clipboard systems that aren't shared. You can get around this by using copy in the X11.app munbar at the top of the screen. but in order to manage this clipboards entirely from within X11 (TK), you're going to need help. See the xcutsel application that's part of the standard X11 build, or autocutsel from Fink. Alternatively, you can use XDarwin instead of the Apple X11 port. Recent versions of XDarwin synchronize the clipboards...most of the time. Note that Quartz does a good job of reading the X11 clipboard. Items cut in X11 should be available to Quartz apps. It's just doesn't work the other way around. HTH, -- jay -- This email and attachment(s): [ ] blogable; [ x ] ask first; [ ] private and confidential daggerquill [at] gmail [dot] com http://www.tuaw.com http://www.dpguru.com http://www.engatiki.org values of β will give rise to dom! if it is possible to synchronize the clipboards... perhaps this can be done when the PerlTK methods which add or retrieve data from the clipboard are called? Perhaps the developers of PerlTK can address this issue...?
Re: PerlTK's -clipboardAppend in OSX...?
On 5/4/06, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Correct. Quartz and X11 have different (actually, at least 3) clipboard systems that aren't shared. You can get around this by using copy in the X11.app munbar at the top of the screen. but in order to manage this clipboards entirely from within X11 (TK), you're going to need help. See the xcutsel application that's part of the standard X11 build, or autocutsel from Fink. Alternatively, you can use XDarwin instead of the Apple X11 port. Recent versions of XDarwin synchronize the clipboards...most of the time. Note that Quartz does a good job of reading the X11 clipboard. Items cut in X11 should be available to Quartz apps. It's just doesn't work the other way around. if it is possible to synchronize the clipboards... Yes, see the man pages for the programs I mentioned. perhaps this can be done when the PerlTK methods which add or retrieve data from the clipboard are called? No. This isn't a TK issue. This is a window manager issue. TK only knows about the clipboard for the window manager/server it is running under. No X11 application can see the OSX clipboard. It doesn't matter whether they are TK, Qt, or GTK applications. Perhaps the developers of PerlTK can address this issue...? Again, this has nothing to do with PerlTK, or even TK. Apple would need to add support for the the Quartz clipboard to it's X11 distribution. If this really bothers you, talk to Apple. Or use XDarwin instead of Apple's X11. xcutsel and autocutsel do provide workarounds, though. Just add the appropriate commands as callbacks on you cut and paste routines. Alternatively, since the Finder is scriptable, you could probably use Mac::Glue or a call to osascript to pass the values from the X11 clipboard to the quartz clipboard. There are lots of solutions here, but none of them are built into TK, nor can they be. If you want your program to interface with an environment other than the one TK is running ni, it's up to you to make the links. If interoperability is important to you and the less-than-elegant solutions available don't appeal to you, you could port the program to CamelBones, which is a framework for building Cocoa applications in Perl. HTH, -- jay -- This email and attachment(s): [ ] blogable; [ x ] ask first; [ ] private and confidential daggerquill [at] gmail [dot] com http://www.tuaw.com http://www.dpguru.com http://www.engatiki.org values of β will give rise to dom!
Re: PerlTK's -clipboardAppend in OSX...?
On 5/3/06, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Anyone have trouble copying things to the clipboard using PerlTK's -clipboardAppend...? When I use it to put things in the clipboard, I cannot paste the contents into other OSX apps like Textedit. The Paste option is available in the application, however no data appears when one pastes. Correct. Quartz and X11 have different (actually, at least 3) clipboard systems that aren't shared. You can get around this by using copy in the X11.app munbar at the top of the screen. but in order to manage this clipboards entirely from within X11 (TK), you're going to need help. See the xcutsel application that's part of the standard X11 build, or autocutsel from Fink. Alternatively, you can use XDarwin instead of the Apple X11 port. Recent versions of XDarwin synchronize the clipboards...most of the time. Note that Quartz does a good job of reading the X11 clipboard. Items cut in X11 should be available to Quartz apps. It's just doesn't work the other way around. HTH, -- jay -- This email and attachment(s): [ ] blogable; [ x ] ask first; [ ] private and confidential daggerquill [at] gmail [dot] com http://www.tuaw.com http://www.dpguru.com http://www.engatiki.org values of β will give rise to dom!
PerlTK's -clipboardAppend in OSX...?
Hello, Anyone have trouble copying things to the clipboard using PerlTK's -clipboardAppend...? When I use it to put things in the clipboard, I cannot paste the contents into other OSX apps like Textedit. The Paste option is available in the application, however no data appears when one pastes. Additionally, I get the same results when I use the context menus for -Scrolled to copy text to the clipboard? Apologies if this has been discussed before. Regards,
