Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-19 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
David Wheeler wrote:

 On Apr 17, 2004, at 4:39 PM, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:
 
 
Wrong.  Ponie is off the chart, or maybe more like 5.11,
 
 
 That's one louda, innit?

I just wonder who's the drummer.

-- 
Jarkko Hietaniemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.iki.fi/jhi/ There is this special
biologist word we use for 'stable'.  It is 'dead'. -- Jack Cohen


Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-19 Thread David Wheeler
On Apr 18, 2004, at 5:05 PM, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:

That's one louda, innit?
I just wonder who's the drummer.
Let's just keep Arthur away from thunderstorms, shall we? ;-)

David



Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-18 Thread David Wheeler
On Apr 17, 2004, at 4:39 PM, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote:

Wrong.  Ponie is off the chart, or maybe more like 5.11,
That's one louda, innit?



Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-18 Thread Joseph Alotta
Hi Joel,

I know where you can get an AS400 for the taking.  Then you can really
hack away like old times.  Maybe you can find a card reader for it?
Joe.

On Apr 18, 2004, at 8:54 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

On 2004.4.17, at 11:45 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
It's the 5.9.x track that has the experimentation.  5.8.x (like 5.6.x
before it) are for slightly-behind-bleeding-edge adopters.  Hardcore
trailing edge adopters are still using Perl4 (which is also an even
number :).
So, on Tuesday's, when I'm in my hardcore trailing edge mood, I should 
use use Perl4.

Sounds like a good excuse for another machine. ;-) I've got an old 68k 
box or two, is there a MacPerl4? Or should I download a really old 
version of netBSD?

(Heh. Wish I really did have time to get netBSD up on my old performa 
550 and 630.)





Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-17 Thread Chris Devers
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Sherm Pendley wrote:

 In fact, unless you're in a *huge* hurry, I'd say wait a week and go
 with 5.8.4.

I thought even numbered point releases were unstable, test releases.

Is that not the case?


-- 
Chris Devers


Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-17 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
Andrew M. Langmead wrote:

 On Apr 17, 2004, at 8:57 AM, Chris Devers wrote:
 
 
I thought even numbered point releases were unstable, test releases.

 
 
 The other way around. The odd numbered releases are the development 
 track. (When you try to run some script against them, something goes 
 wrong and you say oh, that seems odd!)

Right.

 The 5.7 development track lead to the 5.8 stable release.

Right.

 The 5.9 (Ponie) development will lead to a stable release of 5.10.

Wrong.  Ponie is off the chart, or maybe more like 5.11, or maybe
more like 5.9+i (as in a complex number).  Ponie is more or less
taking the bones of Parrot (the Perl 6 virtual machine) and hanging
on the flesh of Perl 5.9 (runtime).  Or putting in a Porsche motor on
a Mercedes body, if that sounds less gory.  Or in other words,
Ponie = Parrot + Perl 5.9.










Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-16 Thread Joel Rees
Gah! That's what I get for using comments! ;-)
Darn right, stop that! Code is hard to write, it should be hard to  
read, too! ;-)
 8-)

That's what I like about perl.

Anyway, I'm aware that slice is not a function, just surprised that  
neither the concept nor the syntax seems to get any treatment in either  
Nutshell 1st Ed. or Cookbook 2nd Ed.. (I don't own the Camel, just went  
straight from the Llama to Nutshell. Thought I was saving money at the  
time.)

Well, according to the blding edge Perl 5.8.4-rc2 docs:

http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.4-RC2/pod/ 
perldata.pod#Slices
Thanks for the pointer, merlyn.

So, I'm wondering about that version number. 5.8.1 is still the latest  
stable Perl, right?

Joel



Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-16 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Apr 16, 2004, at 9:49 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

So, I'm wondering about that version number. 5.8.1 is still the latest 
stable Perl, right?
No, 5.8.3 is the latest.

sherm--



Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-16 Thread David Wheeler
On Apr 16, 2004, at 7:01 PM, Sherm Pendley wrote:

So, I'm wondering about that version number. 5.8.1 is still the 
latest stable Perl, right?
No, 5.8.3 is the latest.
And 5.8.4 will likely be out within a week.

Regards,

David



Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-16 Thread Joel Rees
So, I'm wondering about that version number. 5.8.1 is still the 
latest stable Perl, right?
No, 5.8.3 is the latest.
And 5.8.4 will likely be out within a week.
So, given an iBook that is going to host my personal site, should I 
load 5.8.3 parallel to the the 5.6 in Mac OS 10.2, or should I stick 
with 5.8.1?

(Purpose of the parallel load is to keep the one used by the system 
more-or-less pristine, of course. Purpose of 5.8 is Unicode and large 
character sets.)

Joel



Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2?

2004-04-16 Thread Sherm Pendley
On Apr 16, 2004, at 11:54 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

So, given an iBook that is going to host my personal site, should I 
load 5.8.3 parallel to the the 5.6 in Mac OS 10.2, or should I stick 
with 5.8.1?
I'm a bit puzzled about that stick with 5.8.1 phrase - on 10.2, 
there's no pre-installed 5.8.1 to stick with. If you want any sort of 
5.8.x, you'll have to install it, and there's no reason not to install 
the latest.

In fact, unless you're in a *huge* hurry, I'd say wait a week and go 
with 5.8.4.

sherm--