Re: deleting -DNDEBUG added by cmake PG

[Kurt Hindenburg]

I think my original email didn’t get sent.  

Kurt

> On Dec 18, 2021, at 9:52 AM, Kurt Hindenburg  wrote:
> 
> The new version of ipbt imported a lot of code from putty and is now cmake 
> based.  Currently the build fails with the below.
> 
> ipbt-20211203.104f822/defs.h:22:2: error: Do not compile this code base with 
> NDEBUG defined!  
> #error Do not compile this code base with NDEBUG defined!
> 
>   Kurt
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2021, at 9:42 AM, Joshua Root > > wrote:
>> 
>> On 2021-12-19 01:17 , Chris Jones wrote:
>>> Hi
 On 17 Dec 2021, at 12:14 am, Kurt Hindenburg >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello,
   The cmake PG adds -DNDEBUG to various flags. For the next release of 
 ipbt I need to remove it. 
>>> Just curious but why ? Its usual to specify these flags in production 
>>> releases builds, which by default is what macports provides.
  The normal configure.*-delete do not seem to work.
 Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this?
 
 configure.cflags-append -DNDEBUG
 configure.cxxflags-append   -DNDEBUG
>> 
>> Well the opposite of -D is -U, but as Chris implied, it would be helpful to 
>> know the details of the problem you are trying to solve.
>> 
>> - Josh
>> 
>> (BTW, please replace the old macosforge.org  list 
>> address with the current macports.org  version in your 
>> address book.)
> 

Re: [10.6.8] Linux alternatives

[Bjarne D Mathiesen]

Jason Liu wrote:
> One reason, I'm staying on 10.6.8 is that I really like Spaces. I'm
> (primarily) using Remote Desktop to admin them as they are "head-less".
> 
> 
> Another reason not going the Linux way is, that I find the macOS
> desktop to be far superior to the Linux desktops.
> 
> 
> You might be surprised. There have been a lot of advancements in terms
> of Linux desktop polish, and you can even turn your entire desktop
> environment into an (almost) exact clone of macOS' behavior, including
> Exposé and Spaces, and even the application dock along the bottom.

I know that - & I've looked at eg Elementary OS which more-or-less looks
like an exact clone of macOS. I even installed it on an iMac5,1 for my
brothers grandchild. As far as could tell, that iMac would ever be able
to run macOS 10.8 (hacked) and as it should run as a normal computer it
had to be switched to Linux as 10.7 & 10.8 are hoplessly outdated
regarding browsers.

> 
> If you've ever heard of Linus Tech Tips, they're even currently doing a
> multi-part video series on "daily computing and gaming on Linux by a
> couple of people who have never used Linux" challenge.

I've been following him & his staff on-and-off for years.
His vidoes on eg selfbuilt NAS systems are really good.
And that 4-part series where he installed a water-cooled Hackintosh in
an original cMacPro case is hilarious [rolf]

-- 
Bjarne D Mathiesen
Korsør ; Danmark ; Europa
---
denne besked er skrevet i et totalt M$-frit miljø
MacPro 2010 ; OpenCore + macOS 10.15.7 Catalina
2 x 3,46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon ; 256 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC RDIMM
ATI Radeon RX 590 8 GB

Re: [10.6.8] MacMini1,1 firmware

[Bjarne D Mathiesen]

Ken Cunningham wrote:
> I used this set of instructions and the tool referenced in the first
> comment myself:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJA4OUIDa7Q
> 
> to upgrade the firmware in a macmini 1,1 to 2,1, to allow it to see the
> rest of the installed RAM. It was, for me, very quick and very painless.

[nerd] dosdude to the resque !!! [grinning]
I've used his pathcers for many years !!!

[nerd] OK - I've upgraded the firmware in my MacMini1,1 [thumbs-up]
[thinking] BUT it can still only see 2 GB of the 4 GB RAM installed, so
I guess my board is so early that it's impossible to get more [crying]

-- 
Bjarne D Mathiesen
Korsør ; Danmark ; Europa
---
denne besked er skrevet i et totalt M$-frit miljø
MacPro 2010 ; OpenCore + macOS 10.15.7 Catalina
2 x 3,46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon ; 256 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC RDIMM
ATI Radeon RX 590 8 GB

Re: [10.6.8] certbot & pyOpenSSL problems

[Jason Liu]

>
> One reason, I'm staying on 10.6.8 is that I really like Spaces. I'm
> (primarily) using Remote Desktop to admin them as they are "head-less".


> Another reason not going the Linux way is, that I find the macOS
> desktop to be far superior to the Linux desktops.
>

You might be surprised. There have been a lot of advancements in terms of
Linux desktop polish, and you can even turn your entire desktop environment
into an (almost) exact clone of macOS' behavior, including Exposé and
Spaces, and even the application dock along the bottom.

If you've ever heard of Linus Tech Tips, they're even currently doing a
multi-part video series on "daily computing and gaming on Linux by a couple
of people who have never used Linux" challenge.

-- 
Jason Liu


On Sun, Dec 19, 2021 at 9:41 AM Bjarne D Mathiesen 
wrote:

> Ken Cunningham wrote:
> >> System Version: Mac OS X 10.6.8 (10K549) Kernel Version: Darwin 10.8.0
> >
> > It appears that you are running a 10.6.8 system (on a macmini, I think I
> saw?)
>
> Correct, I've got three of those :
> PowerMac10,1 w/ PowerPC 7447A (G4)
> Presently, I don't use it
>
> MacMini1,1 (originally Intel Core Duo 1.66 GHz)
> MacMini2,1
> both of these have been upgraded to
> Intel Core 2 Duo 2 GHz
> 4 GB RAM
> although the MacMini1,1 is only able to see 2 GB [crying]
> and the MacMini2,1 can only use 3 GB of the 4 GB
>
> All of them have 2 x original OWC miniStack w/ the HDs in AppleRAID-1
>
>
> > and I think you appear to be using it as a server for various things.
>
> Correct - they have the full xAMP stack
> Apache 2.4 - MySQL 5.7 - PHP 8.1
> Postfix - Dovecot - sqlgrey
>
> >
> > In another spot, I see that it is a 32bit EFI Mac:
> >
> >> platform: macOS-10.6.8-i386-64bit
>
> Also correct
>
> >
> > If you are not using for much else beyond being a server, I thought I
> would let you know that this tiny like c program:
> >
> > https://github.com/demonicsweaters/make_single_eltorito.c
> >
> > that compiles in 10 seconds or so, will slightly modify an Ubuntu 64 bit
> installer image to properly boot a 32bit EFI Mac, and you can then install
> Ubuntu 64 bit on there.
> >
> > Once it is installed, you’re good to go, and you can use 64bit software
> everywhere, including any 64 bit software you download rather than get from
> the main repo, like Spotify, Google Chrome, etc.
> >
> > I have this now running on 3 older Macs with 32bit EFI, and it works
> just beautifully. And if you are just using that as a server, you would be
> most likely many miles ahead to be running Ubuntu 20.04 with webmin than
> trying to keep teasing SnowLeopard along as a server.
> >
> > Just my $0.02 for whatever.
>
> [thumbs-up][nerd] Thank you for the hint [nerd][thumbs-up]
>
> Presently, I'm very much satisfied with my setup, but going to Linux on
> them is definitely one of the options I'm considering if I get into too
> many problems w/ being up-to-date. This is the 1st really serious
> problem I've had where I've had to abandon the MacMini for an
> alternative solution. Of course, not being able to upgrade to MySQL 8 is
> a bit of a nuisance, but not something I'm presently worrying about.
>
> One reason, I'm staying on 10.6.8 is that I really like Spaces.
> I'm (primarily) using Remote Desktop to admin them as they are "head-less".
>
> Another reason not going the Linux way is, that I find the macOS desktop
> to be far superior to the Linux desktops.
>
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > (PS - dual booting a MacOSX install of 10.6 or 10.7 works just fine too,
> using ReFIND: https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ )
> >
>
> Thanks.
> One reason to originally staying on 10.6.8 was that the MacMini1,1 isn't
> able to go to 10.7 without some hacking - at least not before upgrading
> the CPU. And I like to keep them at par on the software as the
> MacMini1,1 is my testing platform and backup.
>
> --
> Bjarne D Mathiesen
> Korsør ; Danmark ; Europa
> ---
> denne besked er skrevet i et totalt M$-frit miljø
> MacPro 2010 ; OpenCore + macOS 10.15.7 Catalina
> 2 x 3,46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon ; 256 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC RDIMM
> ATI Radeon RX 590 8 GB
>

Re: [10.6.8] certbot & pyOpenSSL problems

[Ken Cunningham]

I used this set of instructions and the tool referenced in the first 
comment myself:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJA4OUIDa7Q

to upgrade the firmware in a macmini 1,1 to 2,1, to allow it to see the 
rest of the installed RAM. It was, for me, very quick and very painless.


As you noted, many macOS systems of this vintage (and other makes using 
the same Intel chipsets) can only use a little over 3GB of the 4GB of 
RAM due to hardware addressing constraints, even when running other 
operating systems like linux.



Best,


Ken

Re: [10.6.8] certbot & pyOpenSSL problems

[Bjarne D Mathiesen]

Ken Cunningham wrote:
>> System Version: Mac OS X 10.6.8 (10K549) Kernel Version: Darwin 10.8.0 
> 
> It appears that you are running a 10.6.8 system (on a macmini, I think I 
> saw?) 

Correct, I've got three of those :
PowerMac10,1 w/ PowerPC 7447A (G4)
Presently, I don't use it

MacMini1,1 (originally Intel Core Duo 1.66 GHz)
MacMini2,1
both of these have been upgraded to
Intel Core 2 Duo 2 GHz
4 GB RAM
although the MacMini1,1 is only able to see 2 GB [crying]
and the MacMini2,1 can only use 3 GB of the 4 GB

All of them have 2 x original OWC miniStack w/ the HDs in AppleRAID-1


> and I think you appear to be using it as a server for various things.

Correct - they have the full xAMP stack
Apache 2.4 - MySQL 5.7 - PHP 8.1
Postfix - Dovecot - sqlgrey

> 
> In another spot, I see that it is a 32bit EFI Mac:
> 
>> platform: macOS-10.6.8-i386-64bit 

Also correct

> 
> If you are not using for much else beyond being a server, I thought I would 
> let you know that this tiny like c program:
> 
> https://github.com/demonicsweaters/make_single_eltorito.c
> 
> that compiles in 10 seconds or so, will slightly modify an Ubuntu 64 bit 
> installer image to properly boot a 32bit EFI Mac, and you can then install 
> Ubuntu 64 bit on there.
> 
> Once it is installed, you’re good to go, and you can use 64bit software 
> everywhere, including any 64 bit software you download rather than get from 
> the main repo, like Spotify, Google Chrome, etc.
> 
> I have this now running on 3 older Macs with 32bit EFI, and it works just 
> beautifully. And if you are just using that as a server, you would be most 
> likely many miles ahead to be running Ubuntu 20.04 with webmin than trying to 
> keep teasing SnowLeopard along as a server.
> 
> Just my $0.02 for whatever.

[thumbs-up][nerd] Thank you for the hint [nerd][thumbs-up]

Presently, I'm very much satisfied with my setup, but going to Linux on
them is definitely one of the options I'm considering if I get into too
many problems w/ being up-to-date. This is the 1st really serious
problem I've had where I've had to abandon the MacMini for an
alternative solution. Of course, not being able to upgrade to MySQL 8 is
a bit of a nuisance, but not something I'm presently worrying about.

One reason, I'm staying on 10.6.8 is that I really like Spaces.
I'm (primarily) using Remote Desktop to admin them as they are "head-less".

Another reason not going the Linux way is, that I find the macOS desktop
to be far superior to the Linux desktops.

> 
> Ken
> 
> (PS - dual booting a MacOSX install of 10.6 or 10.7 works just fine too, 
> using ReFIND: https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/ )
> 

Thanks.
One reason to originally staying on 10.6.8 was that the MacMini1,1 isn't
able to go to 10.7 without some hacking - at least not before upgrading
the CPU. And I like to keep them at par on the software as the
MacMini1,1 is my testing platform and backup.

-- 
Bjarne D Mathiesen
Korsør ; Danmark ; Europa
---
denne besked er skrevet i et totalt M$-frit miljø
MacPro 2010 ; OpenCore + macOS 10.15.7 Catalina
2 x 3,46 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon ; 256 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 ECC RDIMM
ATI Radeon RX 590 8 GB