Re: [Macports] QT5 For Mac port (py33_qt5 ???)
Yes, that's the one. Thanks for the progress update. TWG On 02/10/2013 05:08, Michael Dickens wrote: If you mean py*-pyqt4, then yes, I'm involved in that. Got some changes I'll hopefully get checked in tomorrow which fix some issues with how MacPorts interfaces with that port. py*pyqt5 will require a qt5 port first. I have not had time to work on qt5; maybe others have? - MLD On Tue, Oct 1, 2013, at 04:54 PM, Timothy W. Grove wrote: Are you involved in the python version as well? I have an application which uses the py33_qt4 port, and was considering the move to Qt5 to get access to some of it's multimedia libraries. Anyone working on a py33_qt5 port?? No hassle, just curious at this point. ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: [Macports] QT5 For Mac port (py33_qt5 ???)
Are you involved in the python version as well? I have an application which uses the py33_qt4 port, and was considering the move to Qt5 to get access to some of it's multimedia libraries. Anyone working on a py33_qt5 port?? No hassle, just curious at this point. TWG On 11/07/2013 14:51, Michael Dickens wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013, at 05:14 AM, Conrad Taylor wrote: Hi, I was wondering, is there a qt5-mac port in the works? Well, I must go and thanks in advance for any information that you can provide. Hi Conrad - I'm cc'ing the overall dev and user's groups, since it seem that there are a number of folks interested in this topic with the recent 5.1 release. Yes, I've been working on a qt5 port off and on for a while now; I know of nobody else doing this, but maybe others are. That said, don't hold your breath on it being done anytime soon (at least by me). Qt 5.0.X was next to impossible for me to compile on OSX using MacPorts (or, others I've talked with; clearly the Qt folks did it, somehow); it had all sorts of issues in the build code that eventually became overwhelming to keep up with (100's of patches, which makes me believe there was some other issue going on). I haven't tried the 5.1 series yet, but it's on my queue once I get some other ports done. Quite honestly, it's not a high priority for me because (1) Qt 4.8 does what I need; and (2) Qt is a real pain to maintain -- so, me keeping qt4-mac going has been quite enough on top of my other ports. I have a number of tickets related to qt3 and qt4, which maybe some day will come up on my queue, but they are low priority as well. All of that said, and if I may be so bold: I'm open to the arrangement that some person or company financially support my effort to bring qt5 to fruition (and/or support work for qt3 and qt4). This arrangement is already in place for some other ports that I maintain, and I'm in discussion for some others. MacPorts is a great piece of software, and many of its developers are already remunerated for (at least part of) the work they do (e.g., by the company they work for; by some outside contract -- either of which has an interest in some specific ports). For us independent contractors, it takes time to do upkeep and maintenance of ports that we use, so bringing in ongoing support and maintenance contracts is our version of what those employed developers are doing -- they generally do not pay a lot, but the pay is incrementally sufficient for each contract. To be fair, there are also a number of folks who do this because they want to, with no financials in mind (at least directly; I think if someone offered them a contract to do what they do already, they would seriously consider it). Enough said on that topic. The bottom line is that I don't know when I'll get to working on qt5; I welcome someone else doing it, if anyone is up to the task. Sorry for the downer news. - MLD ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: [Macports] QT5 For Mac port (py33_qt5 ???)
If you mean py*-pyqt4, then yes, I'm involved in that. Got some changes I'll hopefully get checked in tomorrow which fix some issues with how MacPorts interfaces with that port. py*pyqt5 will require a qt5 port first. I have not had time to work on qt5; maybe others have? - MLD On Tue, Oct 1, 2013, at 04:54 PM, Timothy W. Grove wrote: Are you involved in the python version as well? I have an application which uses the py33_qt4 port, and was considering the move to Qt5 to get access to some of it's multimedia libraries. Anyone working on a py33_qt5 port?? No hassle, just curious at this point. ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: [Macports] QT5 For Mac port
Hi Conrad - Qt maintains a blog at [1]http://blog.qt.digia.com , and has GIT repositories for a bunch of different parts of Qt at [2]https://codereview.qt-project.org/ . I watch the 4.8 branch at [3]https://codereview.qt-project.org/p/qt/qt for important Qt changes for OSX; I do not watch or track any of the other branches (mostly for the 5.x series). The few times I've been in direct contact with a Qt developer, I barely get the time of day; mostly, they have been critical of the way I've implemented the qt4-mac port (as dual framework / library, hacked to include QT_INSTALL_FRAMEWORKS to augment QT_INSTALL_LIBS). They understand why, but we end up agreeing to disagree. Maybe that will be different for Qt5? If someone wants to be in touch with the Qt folks about the difficulties in compiling Qt5 within MacPorts, I'd say to give it a whirl and see what comes of it. That person will not be me, most likely, both because of prior experience as well as lack of time or desire to do so. - MLD On Mon, Aug 5, 2013, at 12:41 AM, Conrad Taylor wrote: Hey all, thanks for the information and I appreciate it. I was wondering, would it be a good idea to ping the people at Qt? I didn't get an opportunity to speak with them at SIGGraph 2013 in Anaheim, CA but I think that they would want to know about these pain points. Also, is there a Git/SVN branch for the source because I was only able to locate their zip archives? References 1. http://blog.qt.digia.com/ 2. https://codereview.qt-project.org/ 3. https://codereview.qt-project.org/p/qt/qt ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: [Macports] QT5 For Mac port
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013, at 12:06 PM, vincent habchi wrote: I will have a look while I am on holiday later this month, but I cannot endorse the charge of being THE maintainer of qt5, even if I succeed: I would place the port under the ‘openmaintainer’ regime. Not my idea of fun while on holiday, but to each :) I'm happy to be listed as a co-maintainer as well as it being openmaintainer, if you/me/someone gets to that point. On 11 juil. 2013, at 15:51, Michael Dickens michae...@macports.org wrote: MacPorts is a great piece of software, and many of its developers are already remunerated for (at least part of) the work they do (e.g., by the company they work for; by some outside contract -- either of which has an interest in some specific ports). Well, that’s somewhat a surprise to me. I do it for fun and the personal pleasure of being somehow helpful to a large number of people throughout the world. I did it for my PhD dissertation advisor on stipend for a while (along with 40+ hours / week of dissertation work, so I'm not saying the wage was very good, but it was a form of remuneration). Then once I graduated I did it for fun; I still do some ports for fun, but more along the lines of your second point: the personal pleasure of working with, and being helpful to, folks around the world. Since then, I've met (online) and worked with others who are being remunerated for at least part of their MacPorts work. So, when a couple months ago a company I with during my PhD dissertation approached me about a maintenance contract for a couple of ports that I maintain, I sprang for the opportunity: why not get remunerated for doing something I love doing, for something I'd be doing anyway? If you look at the Linux kernel, or Qt (4 or 5), you'll find lots of folks from companies involved, getting paid to work on those projects (at least part time) because their company has an interest in the project and wants to be involved. But I can easily imagine that keeping up with qt is such a pain that it is well worth some form of reward. Qt4 has been a pain to maintain, partly because of the options for installing it on Mac OS X, and partly because Qt is a BIG project with lots of places where things can go wrong on different versions of Mac OS X (and, other OSs). I would love to be remunerated for keeping Qt4 going, but I'm not; it's not exactly fun though sometimes the hacking is enlightening. - MLD ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: [Macports] QT5 For Mac port
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013, at 05:14 AM, Conrad Taylor wrote: Hi, I was wondering, is there a qt5-mac port in the works? Well, I must go and thanks in advance for any information that you can provide. Hi Conrad - I'm cc'ing the overall dev and user's groups, since it seem that there are a number of folks interested in this topic with the recent 5.1 release. Yes, I've been working on a qt5 port off and on for a while now; I know of nobody else doing this, but maybe others are. That said, don't hold your breath on it being done anytime soon (at least by me). Qt 5.0.X was next to impossible for me to compile on OSX using MacPorts (or, others I've talked with; clearly the Qt folks did it, somehow); it had all sorts of issues in the build code that eventually became overwhelming to keep up with (100's of patches, which makes me believe there was some other issue going on). I haven't tried the 5.1 series yet, but it's on my queue once I get some other ports done. Quite honestly, it's not a high priority for me because (1) Qt 4.8 does what I need; and (2) Qt is a real pain to maintain -- so, me keeping qt4-mac going has been quite enough on top of my other ports. I have a number of tickets related to qt3 and qt4, which maybe some day will come up on my queue, but they are low priority as well. All of that said, and if I may be so bold: I'm open to the arrangement that some person or company financially support my effort to bring qt5 to fruition (and/or support work for qt3 and qt4). This arrangement is already in place for some other ports that I maintain, and I'm in discussion for some others. MacPorts is a great piece of software, and many of its developers are already remunerated for (at least part of) the work they do (e.g., by the company they work for; by some outside contract -- either of which has an interest in some specific ports). For us independent contractors, it takes time to do upkeep and maintenance of ports that we use, so bringing in ongoing support and maintenance contracts is our version of what those employed developers are doing -- they generally do not pay a lot, but the pay is incrementally sufficient for each contract. To be fair, there are also a number of folks who do this because they want to, with no financials in mind (at least directly; I think if someone offered them a contract to do what they do already, they would seriously consider it). Enough said on that topic. The bottom line is that I don't know when I'll get to working on qt5; I welcome someone else doing it, if anyone is up to the task. Sorry for the downer news. - MLD ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: [Macports] QT5 For Mac port
On 11 juil. 2013, at 15:51, Michael Dickens michae...@macports.org wrote: I haven't tried the 5.1 series yet, I will have a look while I am on holiday later this month, but I cannot endorse the charge of being THE maintainer of qt5, even if I succeed: I would place the port under the ‘openmaintainer’ regime. MacPorts is a great piece of software, and many of its developers are already remunerated for (at least part of) the work they do (e.g., by the company they work for; by some outside contract -- either of which has an interest in some specific ports). Well, that’s somewhat a surprise to me. I do it for fun and the personal pleasure of being somehow helpful to a large number of people throughout the world. But I can easily imagine that keeping up with qt is such a pain that it is well worth some form of reward. Cheers! Vincent ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
