Greetings all,
I am a relatively silent observer of this list, and well felt it
worth chiming in. Since I am on the exec board of the BSD Cert Group,
which has experienced more than their share of staled elections I
happen to have a little experience with this sort of thing. I would
like to offer the following suggestions.
1. for the sake of the project install these members now, with a
deadline to make an official release and a 1 year term limit.
2. setup an executive board to deal with the whole mess of by laws
and elections ( say the 3 grandfathers and perhaps two others).
3. keep it all simple as everyone is a volunteer and this sort of
thing can become a bike shed big enough to park an aircraft carrier.
4. by this time next year the by laws and all that governance mess
should be completed, thus opening up for the appropriate elections as
needed.
Cheers,
Mikel King
CEO, Olivent Technologies
Senior Editor, Daemon News
Columnist, BSD Magazine
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On Oct 8, 2008, at 10:42 AM, James Berry wrote:
Hi Jordan,
As usual, you work well to cut through the bureaucracy ;) I'm not so
opposed to going along with your suggestion to just get this thing
done, or that an official vote may be superflous. But I also think
it's premature to assume that the list of nominees so far, is
complete, given that we haven't called for nominees (or interested
parties) yet.
So I'd like to request that anybody interested in PortMgr announce
their intent (via nomination, or not) by the close of this Friday.
James
On Oct 8, 2008, at 5:55 AM, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_knot)
Having just read jmpp's request for a bit more time to sort out a
voting process, I must confess to feeling more trepidation than
assurance. To be completely fair, he does note several times that
he and the rest of the moribund portmgr team would like to move
quickly, but given the degree to which that group has also
demonstrated itself to be overworked and less than involved in the
day to day affairs of MacPorts, anything which delays a solution
also runs the risk of blunting some of the current enthusiasm
should said process end up dragging out longer than anticipated
(which, as experience amply suggests, it invariably does) and I
honestly don't think we can afford that at this late stage.
I would therefore like to suggest that we simply ratify the
following list rather than dragging out a lengthy voting process
for a set of positions which, from a certain angle, might even be
viewed as largely ceremonial since there is no real power
afforded by membership in the portmgr team. Volunteers will
always choose to follow (or not) such a group on the basis of the
credibility of its individual members rather than any fancy paper
hats they may be wearing, and the sooner we simply slam those hats
on some credible heads and say Thank you! Get started!, the
sooner we can all get back to discussing the real question of how
to get to where we need to go next.
As a courtesy to the outgoing portmgr team, I would also be
perfectly happy to see them be the official ratifiers of this new
team, assuming it passes their sniff test and they're also willing
to do so in the next day or two, otherwise I would be just as happy
with a statement along the lines of if there are no significant,
well-argued objections in the next 72 hours, they're it! Quick,
before they change their minds! :-)
Portmgr (subject to individual acceptance, of course - we still
haven't heard from two of the four):
Ryan Schmidt
Bryan Blackburn
Rainer Mueller
Joshua Root
[Note: Any subset of the above would also be acceptable - 4 is not
some magic minimum number, for all the reasons I've already outlined]
Release engineering team:
Ryan Schmidt (interim or longer, if he wants it)
Julio Biason
I'm really not trying to undercut anyone here, least of all jmpp,
but seriously folks - we've been suffering from a leadership/
directional vacuum for quite some time now and I don't think we
need to bog down the only solution to be offered in quite some time
by getting all constitutional about it or saying hey, wait, let's
all think about this for awhile and engage in lengthy
discussion!That might have been a good plan of action about a
year ago, and I would be also more than happy to see the new
portmgr establish a framework for
