Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Ryan Schmidt]

On Nov 9, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Artur Szostak wrote:

> Let me ask another question: Is there a seamless way to add building and 
> mirroring services from 3rd parties for the pre-built binaries?

No. We want verified binaries built in a clean-room by known servers, not 
binaries built in unknown conditions by arbitrary contributors.


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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Arno Hautala]

I've been using this [1] procedure for quite a while.

It could easily be adapted for widespread use by hosting the binaries
and signatures somewhere publicly.

And I'm not sure of the specifics, but I know there are build scripts
in the repo somewhere for building all ports. A previous message [2]
indicates they're here [3], But it looks like trac is still having
issues.

The real issue is trust. You have to trust the builder not to insert
malware and the hoster to have secured the server against file
manipulation. So I can see this easily being adapted for small groups,
but I'd personally suffer through building everything myself over
trusting an anonymous 3rd party.

Apple has been very generous in their hosting and support previously,
but I'd still love to see build slaves and hosting that wasn't reliant
on them to manage. MacPorts can't possibly be a priority for their
interests.

[1]: https://trac.macports.org/wiki/howto/ShareArchives2
[2]: https://lists.macosforge.org/pipermail/macports-dev/2015-August/031253.html
[3]: https://trac.macports.org/browser/contrib/buildbot


On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:34 AM, Artur Szostak <aszos...@partner.eso.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Let me ask another question: Is there a seamless way to add building and 
> mirroring services from 3rd parties for the pre-built binaries?
>
> Kind regards.
>
> Artur
>
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> [macports-users-boun...@lists.macosforge.org] on behalf of Daniel J. Luke 
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> Sent: 06 November 2015 16:08
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> Cc: macports-users
> Subject: Re: Experiences with El Capitan
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> On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Rainer Müller <rai...@macports.org> wrote:
>> This is mainly due to the absence of an actual admin at Mac OS Forge,
>> our hosting provider at Apple.
>
> Do we know if there's a position posted? It would be great if someone from 
> the Macports community held that position.
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RE: Experiences with El Capitan

[Artur Szostak]

Hi,

Let me ask another question: Is there a seamless way to add building and 
mirroring services from 3rd parties for the pre-built binaries?

Kind regards.

Artur


From: macports-users-boun...@lists.macosforge.org 
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Sent: 06 November 2015 16:08
To: Rainer Müller
Cc: macports-users
Subject: Re: Experiences with El Capitan

On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Rainer Müller <rai...@macports.org> wrote:
> This is mainly due to the absence of an actual admin at Mac OS Forge,
> our hosting provider at Apple.

Do we know if there's a position posted? It would be great if someone from the 
Macports community held that position.

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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Nathan Brazil]

I guess I am not upgrading to El Capitain just yet then.

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

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> On Nov 5, 2015, at 12:39 PM, Arno Hautala  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Dave Horsfall  wrote:
>> Why did
>> it not merely retrieve pre-built binaries, as usual?
> 
> Apple hasn't yet provisioned the build environment required for El
> Capitan binaries. There's a ticket somewhere tracking this issue, but
> I haven't seen any progress on it.
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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Daniel J. Luke]

On Nov 5, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Rainer Müller  wrote:
> This is mainly due to the absence of an actual admin at Mac OS Forge,
> our hosting provider at Apple. 

Do we know if there's a position posted? It would be great if someone from the 
Macports community held that position.

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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[William H. Magill]

> I got tired of seeing that bloody spinning beach-ball… 

This spinning beach ball seems to be a FEATURE of El Capitan — having nothing 
to do with Mac Ports.

Everything causes it to happen.



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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Rainer Müller]

On 2015-11-05 21:00, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> Now, did Macports really feel the need to re-compile the world, over three 
> days?  I got tired of seeing that bloody spinning beach-ball...  Why did 
> it not merely retrieve pre-built binaries, as usual?

As of now, we do not have a buildbot instance for El Capitan yet.

This is mainly due to the absence of an actual admin at Mac OS Forge,
our hosting provider at Apple. This also caused the disruption in
service recently and the ongoing issues with the infrastructure.

Rainer
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Re: Experiences with El Capitan

[Arno Hautala]

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Dave Horsfall  wrote:
> Why did
> it not merely retrieve pre-built binaries, as usual?

Apple hasn't yet provisioned the build environment required for El
Capitan binaries. There's a ticket somewhere tracking this issue, but
I haven't seen any progress on it.

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