Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-12-23 Thread Landon Fuller

On Dec 19, 2013, at 13:31 , Clemens Lang c...@macports.org wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:19:14AM -0800, Bradley Giesbrecht wrote:
 Clemens: can trace mode be set in macports.conf?
 
 No, currently not.

Other than performance overhead, would there be any reason to not enable it by 
default?

Cheers,
Landon


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Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-12-23 Thread Clemens Lang
Hi,

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:51:43AM -0500, Landon Fuller wrote:
 Other than performance overhead, would there be any reason to not
 enable it by default?

some ports, suchs as the go port, can not build with trace mode enabled.
they need DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES to be empty or rely on other
implementation details of the linker (such as not calling malloc(3)).

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Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-12-19 Thread Clemens Lang
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:52:52AM +0800, James Linder wrote:
 I hate answers that are opinions without justifing
 
 If you are aware and technical enough to avoid the pitfalls then it's
 easy and works well

It will be easier to avoid the pitfalls after the next MacPorts release
(or now, when running trunk) by using trace mode (port -t ...) for
everything. It does add a little performance overhead, but it
effectively ensures a build doesn't see any files installed in
/usr/local or any other non-standard location.

I've been running this configuration for weeks for every installation
and update I've attempted and it works pretty well for me.

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Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-12-19 Thread Bradley Giesbrecht
On Dec 19, 2013, at 5:17 AM, Clemens Lang wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 08:52:52AM +0800, James Linder wrote:
 I hate answers that are opinions without justifing
 
 If you are aware and technical enough to avoid the pitfalls then it's
 easy and works well
 
 It will be easier to avoid the pitfalls after the next MacPorts release
 (or now, when running trunk) by using trace mode (port -t ...) for
 everything. It does add a little performance overhead, but it
 effectively ensures a build doesn't see any files installed in
 /usr/local or any other non-standard location.
 
 I've been running this configuration for weeks for every installation
 and update I've attempted and it works pretty well for me.


Clemens: can trace mode be set in macports.conf?

Regards,
Bradley Giesbrecht (pixilla)

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Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-12-19 Thread Clemens Lang
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 10:19:14AM -0800, Bradley Giesbrecht wrote:
 Clemens: can trace mode be set in macports.conf?

No, currently not.

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Re: macports-users Digest, Vol 77, Issue 1: Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-12-18 Thread Eric Gallager
Sorry for the necro-bump, but the other day I decided to check up on what
was new in Homebrew-land, and it turns out that `brew cask` actually lets
you install MacPorts itself as of
https://github.com/phinze/homebrew-cask/commit/9ab24161369f1652604f780df0e58733c11889c0

This was the pull request for it:
https://github.com/phinze/homebrew-cask/pull/1845

Do we want to support people installing MacPorts in this way?



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 I switched back to MacPorts, because brew have to less packaged
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 Can I install both on my MacBook Air?


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 On 01/01/2013 08:13 AM, Markus Neuenschwander wrote:

  I switched back to MacPorts, because brew have to less packaged
  software. Now found an interesting project about native GUI application=
 s.
 =20
  https://github.com/phinze/homebrew-cask#readme
 =20
  Can I install both on my MacBook Air?

 I wouldn't recommend having both Mac Ports  homebrew (cask or
 otherwise) installed  in regular use at the same time on the same machin=
 e.

 For more info on the subject, check the list archives where you'll find
 plenty of advice (just search for homebrew and/or /usr/local).

 Cheers,

   Phil...

 --=20
 currently (ab)using
 CentOS 5.8  6.3, Debian Squeeze  Wheezy, Fedora Beefy  Spherical,
 Lubuntu 12.10, OS X Snow Leopard  Ubuntu Precise  Quantal




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Re: macports-users Digest, Vol 77, Issue 1: Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-12-18 Thread Clemens Lang
On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:00:51AM -0500, Eric Gallager wrote:
 Sorry for the necro-bump, but the other day I decided to check up on
 what was new in Homebrew-land, and it turns out that `brew cask`
 actually lets you install MacPorts itself as of
 https://github.com/phinze/homebrew-cask/commit/9ab24161369f1652604f780df0e58733c11889c0
 
 This was the pull request for it:
 https://github.com/phinze/homebrew-cask/pull/1845
 
 Do we want to support people installing MacPorts in this way?

This doesn't ensure Xcode and the command line tools are installed and
the license has been accepted, but other than that it's really just a
headless way of installing our .pkg, so I fail to see what's different
in this case.

Other than that, I honestly don't care.

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Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-12-18 Thread James Linder

On 19/12/2013, at 4:00 AM, macports-users-requ...@lists.macosforge.org wrote:

 I switched back to MacPorts, because brew have to less packaged
 software. Now found an interesting project about native GUI application=
 s.
 =20
 https://github.com/phinze/homebrew-cask#readme
 =20
 Can I install both on my MacBook Air?
 
 I wouldn't recommend having both Mac Ports  homebrew (cask or
 otherwise) installed  in regular use at the same time on the same machin=
 e.
 
 For more info on the subject, check the list archives where you'll find
 plenty of advice (just search for homebrew and/or /usr/local).

I hate answers that are opinions without justifing

If you are aware and technical enough to avoid the pitfalls then it's easy and 
works well

else

It's a bad idea as each install can use bits (eg libs) from the other resulting 
in utterly baffling errors that the people trying to help are confused by. If 
all works then good. If all does not work don't ask for help - it wastes time 
from the kindly folk who try to help.

James 
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Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-01-01 Thread Phil Dobbin
On 01/01/2013 08:13 AM, Markus Neuenschwander wrote:

 I switched back to MacPorts, because brew have to less packaged
 software. Now found an interesting project about native GUI applications.
 
 https://github.com/phinze/homebrew-cask#readme
 
 Can I install both on my MacBook Air?

I wouldn't recommend having both Mac Ports  homebrew (cask or
otherwise) installed  in regular use at the same time on the same machine.

For more info on the subject, check the list archives where you'll find
plenty of advice (just search for homebrew and/or /usr/local).

Cheers,

  Phil...

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CentOS 5.8  6.3, Debian Squeeze  Wheezy, Fedora Beefy  Spherical,
Lubuntu 12.10, OS X Snow Leopard  Ubuntu Precise  Quantal





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Re: phinze/homebrew-cask on the same system like MacPorts

2013-01-01 Thread Ryan Schmidt

On Jan 1, 2013, at 02:13, Markus Neuenschwander guanoape...@gmx.ch wrote:

 I switched back to MacPorts, because brew have to less packaged software. Now 
 found an interesting project about native GUI applications.
 
 https://github.com/phinze/homebrew-cask#readme
 
 Can I install both on my MacBook Air?

I'm not familiar with Homebrew, and I don't know what Cask is, but according to 
that web page, A Cask is like a Formula in Homebrew except it describes how to 
download and install a binary application. In MacPorts there is no 
distinction; a port will install a binary if it is available, otherwise it will 
build from source. There's no need for you as a user to decide one way or the 
other. MacPorts will automatically install ports the best way.

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