Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Monday April 06 2015 05:03:50 Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Sun, 5 Apr 2015, Ian Wadham wrote: > > > >>> Schröder's cat > > >> [If it is not a savvy abbreviation…] > [...] > > I hope New, Fara, Max, Ein, Bo and Heisberg will not come round to haunt > > you… > > Not to mention Charles Schulz... Physicists ... they claim to be exact scientists, but they believe in ghosts and all :D R ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Sun, 5 Apr 2015, Ian Wadham wrote: > >>> Schröder's cat > >> [If it is not a savvy abbreviation…] [...] > I hope New, Fara, Max, Ein, Bo and Heisberg will not come round to haunt > you… Not to mention Charles Schulz... -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer." http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there)___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On 03/04/2015, at 4:47 AM, René J.V. Bertin wrote: > On Thursday April 02 2015 19:31:19 Eneko Gotzon wrote: > >>> Schröder's cat >> [If it is not a savvy abbreviation…] > > Nope ... more like an involuntary shortcut my fingers made ... > >> Just FYI: (Erwin) Schrödinger > > Oops. I knew that. Apologies to anyone offended! > > (Or: actually: the Herr Ing was temporarily elsewhere :) ) I hope New, Fara, Max, Ein, Bo and Heisberg will not come round to haunt you… Cheers, Ian W. ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Thursday April 02 2015 19:31:19 Eneko Gotzon wrote: >> Schröder's cat >[If it is not a savvy abbreviation…] Nope ... more like an involuntary shortcut my fingers made ... >Just FYI: (Erwin) Schrödinger Oops. I knew that. Apologies to anyone offended! (Or: actually: the Herr Ing was temporarily elsewhere :) ) ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Thursday April 02 2015 20:29:38 Dave Horsfall wrote: >Not quite; it's Click To Focus, which means the window receiving the >keyboard is the one in front, making it impossible to type into a >background window at the same time. Note that windows rarely behave like Schröder's cat despite being made up of electrons: you cannot (usually) type into a foreground and background window at the same time ;) R. ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Thu, 2 Apr 2015, Eneko Gotzon wrote: > I can't stand CTF > > Please, what's that? > > Canadian Taxpayer's Federation? ;) Not quite; it's Click To Focus, which means the window receiving the keyboard is the one in front, making it impossible to type into a background window at the same time. -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer." http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there)___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > I can't stand CTF Please, what's that? Canadian Taxpayer's Federation? ;) -- Eneko Gotzon Ares enekogot...@gmail.com — *LEGEZKO ABISU: Posta elektroniko honek eta, hala badagokio, fitxategi erantsiek, informazio konfidentziala dute barruan eta/edo jabetza intelektualen legeek edo beste lege batzuek legez babestutako informazioa. Mezu hau jasotzen baduzu baina ez bada zuretzat, mesedez eman berehala horren berri eta itzul iezaiozu jatorrizko mezua posta elektronikoaren igorleari. Erabat debekatuta dago baimendu gabeko komunikazio honen edozein erabilera, kopia, erreprodukzio, inprimatze edo banaketa, osoa edo partziala.* *—* *AVISO LEGAL: Este correo electrónico y los ficheros adjuntos, en su caso, contienen información confidencial y/o protegida legalmente por leyes de propiedad intelectual o por otras leyes. Si usted recibe este mensaje y no es el destinatario deseado, por favor, notifíquelo inmediatamente y reenvie el mensaje original a la dirección de correo electrónico remitente. Cualquier uso, copia, reproducción, impresión, distribución, total o parcial de esta comunicación no autorizada, queda estrictamente prohibida.* *—* *LEGAL DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments, if any, contain information that is confidential and/or protected by intellectual property laws or other laws. If you receive this message and are not the intended recipient, please notify him/her immediately and re-send the original message to the e-mail sender. Any unauthorised use, copying, reproduction, printing or distribution in whole or part of this communication is strictly prohibited.* ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Wednesday April 01 2015 11:49:35 Chris Jones wrote: >> Your kidding there right ;) As far as I am concerned KDE went down the >> toilet when it switched from KDE3 to the bloated mess KDE4 is ! > >Just to clarify, I was talking about KDE as a desktop environment. The >applications themselves are OK, and indeed due to QT4 etc. have better >standalone/cross platform support than before. I never knew KDE3, so I couldn't tell and wasn't joking. I have KDE4 running on a netbook and the worst hogs aren't KDE apps. Anyway, there's always Trinity for people like you ;) And anyway2: this was about copy/pasting R. ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
OT: Recent developments have been chipping away at/from that "best unix for the desktop" aspect, while KDE has given Linux a desktop that's getting close to being as good (but KF5 seems to be making the same kind of choices I dislike in recent OS X versions, so I'll probably will hang on to OS X a while longer). Your kidding there right ;) As far as I am concerned KDE went down the toilet when it switched from KDE3 to the bloated mess KDE4 is ! Just to clarify, I was talking about KDE as a desktop environment. The applications themselves are OK, and indeed due to QT4 etc. have better standalone/cross platform support than before. ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
OT: Recent developments have been chipping away at/from that "best unix for the desktop" aspect, while KDE has given Linux a desktop that's getting close to being as good (but KF5 seems to be making the same kind of choices I dislike in recent OS X versions, so I'll probably will hang on to OS X a while longer). Your kidding there right ;) As far as I am concerned KDE went down the toilet when it switched from KDE3 to the bloated mess KDE4 is ! ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Wednesday April 01 2015 10:20:00 Dave Horsfall wrote: > Ah; another FFM fan :-) I can't stand CTF, but I can understand why the Yep. Though I must admit that occasionally I am surprised FFG doesn't work (focus follows gaze, as in oh yeah, my mouse was still in that other window) :) > I like to run "xload" on remote boxes, and annoy cow-orkers by firing up > "xroach" on their screens :-) I preferred xmelt for that. But the best annoyance was that app that made a pink battery bunny (slowly) march across your screen banging its drum after receiving a trigger over AppleTalk. The best part was that it came as a resource you could hide in each and every resource fork the system searched at startup. R. ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Wed, 1 Apr 2015, René J.V. Bertin wrote: > I know iTerm2, but its power features aren't appealing/useful enough to > me to make up for the fact that it doesn't do "focus follows mouse" as > well as Apple's Terminal.app . Ah; another FFM fan :-) I can't stand CTF, but I can understand why the Mac does it (single application etc). > Easy. Trying OS X a bit over 11y ago on my gf's new laptop made me > realise it was the only "unix for the desktop" that really gave the > (almost) best of both worlds. I always have an X server running and not > just because I prefer xterms over Terminal.app. Which I also use, just > for different things, typically non-X things. I like to run "xload" on remote boxes, and annoy cow-orkers by firing up "xroach" on their screens :-) -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer." http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there)___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
On Tuesday March 31 2015 14:45:48 Ned Deily wrote: I know iTerm2, but its power features aren't appealing/useful enough to me to make up for the fact that it doesn't do "focus follows mouse" as well as Apple's Terminal.app . > useful power features and doesn't use X. Of course, if one *prefers* to > run under X ... (but if one does, why use OS X on the desktop in the > first place?). Easy. Trying OS X a bit over 11y ago on my gf's new laptop made me realise it was the only "unix for the desktop" that really gave the (almost) best of both worlds. I always have an X server running and not just because I prefer xterms over Terminal.app. Which I also use, just for different things, typically non-X things. OT: Recent developments have been chipping away at/from that "best unix for the desktop" aspect, while KDE has given Linux a desktop that's getting close to being as good (but KF5 seems to be making the same kind of choices I dislike in recent OS X versions, so I'll probably will hang on to OS X a while longer). R ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
Re: something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
In article <1979918.mOAS13Diux@portia.local>, Rene J.V. Bertin wrote: > One reason I use xterms for so much of my command line tinkering is how > double clicking selection works (full paths, for instance) and copies the > selected content at once to a clipboard or cutbuffer (CLIPBOARD?). Just FYI: iTerm.app, a native OS X replacement for Apple's Terminal.app (and available via "port install iTerm2"), supports auto-copying of double-clicked selections to the OS X clipboard and has many other useful power features and doesn't use X. Of course, if one *prefers* to run under X ... (but if one does, why use OS X on the desktop in the first place?). http://iterm2.com -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org ___ macports-users mailing list macports-users@lists.macosforge.org https://lists.macosforge.org/mailman/listinfo/macports-users
something you always ...... about the X11 clipboard(s)
This is something I've always wondered to know but was a wee bit afraid to ask:
how do the different X11 clip and paste boards interact with the other
cutbuffers (etc)?
One reason I use xterms for so much of my command line tinkering is how double
clicking selection works (full paths, for instance) and copies the selected
content at once to a clipboard or cutbuffer (CLIPBOARD?). Even before I found
myself using mouses without 3 proper buttons I defined a shortcut (that can be
made with 1 or 2 hands) to paste that content back into the terminal ("Meta
Left: insert-selection(CLIPBOARD,CUT_BUFFER0)").
With XQuartz and the X11.app from MacPorts I find myself configuring the server
to have sync enabled, but from the other options I activate only "update
PRIMARY when Pasteboard changes". With all other combinations I tried I find
that I lose the contents of the CLIPBOARD, and that doubleclicking also no
longer copies to it.
For xterm work this compromise works well enough because I can still use
pbpaste and pbcopy, and the Copy item in the Edit menu. I actually like that
this gives me 2 clipboards that don't (usually) interfere.
It's less than ideal when I start doing things in GTk-based applications,
applications using Qt5's xcb platform plugin ("qt5-x11") or any other X11
application that aims to provide a "modern" copy/paste experience.
I'll admit that I never taken the trouble to master X11's clipboard and
cutbuffer or its clipboard managers in detail (read: hardly at all). Is there a
setting where I could have a somewhat better integration, but where at least
copying to the CLIPBOARD (through double-click) continues to work (and ideally,
the OS X clipboard doesn't automatically overwrite the CLIPBOARD contents when
I hit Command-C somewhere in a Cocoa app)?
/confused
R.
PS: if the terminology wasn't already confusing enough, the X11 preferences
dialog makes it a step worse by suggesting they're personalities with a will of
their own ("Update [the?!] Pasteboard when [the?!] CLIPBOARD changes") ;)
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